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2008-11-13 by jon schatz
206e - MIXER / PRESET MANAGER 285e - FREQUENCY SHIFTER / BALANCED MODULATOR i have major gear lust. nice one don! thanks, -jon "There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference." - James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882; Vol 7.
2008-11-13 by Thomas Buckler
nice new website too. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM, jon schatz <jon@divisionbyzero.com> wrote: > 206e - MIXER / PRESET MANAGER > 285e - FREQUENCY SHIFTER / BALANCED MODULATOR > > i have major gear lust. nice one don! > > thanks, > > -jon > "There are no differences but differences of degree between different > degrees > of difference and no difference." > - James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882; > Vol 7. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-11-13 by Chris Muir
On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:38 AM, jon schatz wrote: > 285e - FREQUENCY SHIFTER / BALANCED MODULATOR Mmm... Frequency Shifter... -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com
2008-11-13 by JB
YES!! I have been hoping for this module for so long. Now its here! I think the 206e looks like a very good choice for a module as well, not only for those with two cabinets but also as a replacement for 227e and 225e in small systems and also as a replacement for 225e and 210e for those who don't need the full matrix mixing possibilities, along with a 256e you can do some mixing and scaling of cv too. They're quite moderately priced as well. jb. 2008/11/13 Chris Muir <cbm@well.com>:
> > On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:38 AM, jon schatz wrote: > >> 285e - FREQUENCY SHIFTER / BALANCED MODULATOR > > > Mmm... Frequency Shifter... > > -C > > Chris Muir > cbm@well.com > http://www.xfade.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2008-11-13 by Chris Muir
On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:31 AM, JB wrote: > YES!! I have been hoping for this module for so long. Now its here! Considering your email name, this comes as no surprise. :-) -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com
2008-11-13 by cray5656
Just wondering what people who have full systems will do. I dont think you all will all start new cabinets?
2008-11-13 by buchlidian
hello everybody, these new modules are awesome and long-awaited. the 206e's description on the new website states: "A preset manager is also incorporated, primarily for those who want a second preset manager (FOR A SECOND CABINET)"...I'd like to know if this means that the two preset managers goes in conflict in a same cabinet, because the compactness of 206e's mixer is very good, but I'd like to mantain the midi interface of the 225e... Francesco, from Padua- Italy --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, JB <ringmodulator@...> wrote:
> > >> YES!! I have been hoping for this module for so long. Now its here! > > > > > > Considering your email name, this comes as no surprise. :-) > > :-) > > I have asked for this module several times, and i think others have > too but to be honest i didn't think it would happen. But it did! > According to Don its analog domain processing with very clean digital > sine modulators. >
2008-11-13 by Thomas Meade
NICE! Has anyone here talked to Don about these? Are they in stock? For me, the 206e is great as I only have 2 spaces left and do not have a 227e. And the 285.. well, everyone needs one of those! --tom --- On Thu, 11/13/08, jon schatz <jon@divisionbyzero.com> wrote:
From: jon schatz <jon@divisionbyzero.com>
Subject: [200e] new 200e modules
To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 9:38 AM
206e - MIXER / PRESET MANAGER
285e - FREQUENCY SHIFTER / BALANCED MODULATOR
i have major gear lust. nice one don!
thanks,
-jon
"There are no differences but differences of degree between different
degrees
of difference and no difference."
- James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882;
Vol 7.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-11-13 by JB
>> YES!! I have been hoping for this module for so long. Now its here! > > > Considering your email name, this comes as no surprise. :-) :-) I have asked for this module several times, and i think others have too but to be honest i didn't think it would happen. But it did! According to Don its analog domain processing with very clean digital sine modulators.
2008-11-14 by JB
2008/11/14 buchlidian <buchlidian@yahoo.it>: > hello everybody, these new modules are awesome and long-awaited. the > 206e's description on the new website states: "A preset manager is > also incorporated, primarily for those who want a second preset > manager (FOR A SECOND CABINET)"...I'd like to know if this means that > the two preset managers goes in conflict in a same cabinet, because > the compactness of 206e's mixer is very good, but I'd like to mantain > the midi interface of the 225e... From the pricelist page: "The only limitation is that no more then one Model 206e or 225e can function in a cabinet."
2008-11-14 by joe Pascarell
i have a full 18 module cabinet and was already considering another to add a 222e ... when Don mentioned he was working on these modules , it just pushed me into starting another cabinet. my second system is just a 222e , 206e , 285e , 250e . and a lot of blanks. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, cray5656 <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:
From: cray5656 <amni56@tpg.com.au>
Subject: [200e] Re: new 200e modules
To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 5:19 PM
Just wondering what people who have full systems will do.
I dont think you all will all start new cabinets?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-11-14 by denon blade
Man, I want a 200e so bad. Shame the pound stinks.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-11-14 by ezra buchla
i guess we can think about ways to circumvent that for those who really want to. the really simple way would be to just wipe the firmware on one of the preset managers, so that it does nothing...
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM, JB <ringmodulator@gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/11/14 buchlidian <buchlidian@yahoo.it>: > >> hello everybody, these new modules are awesome and long-awaited. the >> 206e's description on the new website states: "A preset manager is >> also incorporated, primarily for those who want a second preset >> manager (FOR A SECOND CABINET)"...I'd like to know if this means that >> the two preset managers goes in conflict in a same cabinet, because >> the compactness of 206e's mixer is very good, but I'd like to mantain >> the midi interface of the 225e... > > From the pricelist page: > "The only limitation is that no more then one Model 206e or 225e can > function in a cabinet." > >
2008-11-14 by Chris Muir
On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:02 PM, buchlidian wrote: > I'd like to know if this means that > the two preset managers goes in conflict in a same cabinet, because > the compactness of 206e's mixer is very good, but I'd like to mantain > the midi interface of the 225e... If all I needed was a mixer, I would go for a DIY solution before I got the 206e. Even if you have to pay someone to build you a custom mixer, you could probably get a pretty darn good one for less than $900. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com
2008-11-14 by ezra buchla
i concur
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Chris Muir <cbm@well.com> wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:02 PM, buchlidian wrote: > >> I'd like to know if this means that >> the two preset managers goes in conflict in a same cabinet, because >> the compactness of 206e's mixer is very good, but I'd like to mantain >> the midi interface of the 225e... > > If all I needed was a mixer, I would go for a DIY solution before I > got the 206e. Even if you have to pay someone to build you a custom > mixer, you could probably get a pretty darn good one for less than $900. > > -C > > Chris Muir > cbm@well.com > http://www.xfade.com > >
2008-11-15 by Mark Verbos
--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote: > > If all I needed was a mixer, I would go for a DIY solution before I > got the 206e. Even if you have to pay someone to build you a custom > mixer, you could probably get a pretty darn good one for less than $900. > Great idea. Maybe one with sliders and voltage controlled gain and panning on every channel. Do you know anyone who could do that? ;) Mark
2008-11-17 by cuari7
The same goes for a CV mixer vs the 210e. Yes, the 210e looks awesome, but the voltage scaling is so coarse that the best use for it is mixing voltages at unity gain. A cheapo Doepfer 138 mixer behind a Buchla blank plate and some banana jacks do the trick quite well... > i concur > > > > If all I needed was a mixer, I would go for a DIY solution before I > > got the 206e. Even if you have to pay someone to build you a custom > > mixer, you could probably get a pretty darn good one for less than $900. >
2008-11-17 by cuari7
Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to have the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful 255) for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings. Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this would certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad case of buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!! jd --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote:
> > i do not concur > > presets dude >
2008-11-17 by ezra buchla
i do not concur presets dude
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:55 PM, cuari7 <cuari7@comcast.net> wrote: > The same goes for a CV mixer vs the 210e. > Yes, the 210e looks awesome, but the voltage scaling is so coarse that > the best use for it is mixing voltages at unity gain. A cheapo Doepfer > 138 mixer behind a Buchla blank plate and some banana jacks do the > trick quite well... > >> i concur > >> > >> > If all I needed was a mixer, I would go for a DIY solution before I >> > got the 206e. Even if you have to pay someone to build you a custom >> > mixer, you could probably get a pretty darn good one for less than > $900. > >> > >
2008-11-17 by Alessandro Cortini
i personally prefer a 18-12 configuration for the simple reason that i carry my system around quite often, and it's great to be able to have a more compact "live" setup in a 201e 12, while still having plenty of space in the studio within a 201e 18. Also, ( I might be wrong) I think you wouldn't be able to have a 206e and a 225e in the same hypothetical 24 space case, and if i remember well a 225e or 206e alone won't be able to save settings for 24 modules.... A.
On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:13 PM, cuari7 wrote: > Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to have > the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful > 255) > for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings. > > Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this would > certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad case of > buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!! > > jd > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote: >> >> i do not concur >> >> presets dude >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2008-11-17 by ezra buchla
yeah there is some kind of limit on the integrity of the data bus with a large number of modules. this limit is unknown and seems to depend on the modules and maybe other things. 24 panels is usually ok, but splitting up the preset space is more reliable, and is the recommended way to go. 2x 12p cabinets was always the plan for 24-panel systems. it saves a great deal on manufacturing overhead to stick to a couple of modular form-factors of the aluminum boats. if you use a custom rack or cabinet you can use a bunch of 4p boats and never see the difference anyway.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Alessandro Cortini <cortini@gmail.com> wrote: > i personally prefer a 18-12 configuration for the simple reason that i > carry my system around quite often, and it's great to be able to have > a more compact "live" setup in a 201e 12, while still having plenty of > space in the studio within a 201e 18. > Also, ( I might be wrong) I think you wouldn't be able to have a 206e > and a 225e in the same hypothetical 24 space case, and if i remember > well a 225e or 206e alone won't be able to save settings for 24 > modules.... > > A. > > On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:13 PM, cuari7 wrote: > >> Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to have >> the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful >> 255) >> for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings. >> >> Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this would >> certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad case of >> buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!! >> >> jd >> >> --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote: >>> >>> i do not concur >>> >>> presets dude >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > >
2008-11-17 by amnesia
Alessandro I am starting to use my 18WLS live in a few weeks, an extra boat for a 24 WLS wouldnt be that much larger...but I am obviously not gigging as much as you :-) Now on a serious note. I am looking for people to help me purchase 6 more modules :-) The Aussie dollar has now made 6 modules $3000 more expensive. I think we need Don to stop making new modules and start working out an answer to the economic climate :-) Don Buchla for President! Ross > >
2008-11-17 by Chris Muir
On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:45 PM, amnesia wrote: > Don Buchla for President! Now _there's_ a vetting process I would love to see. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com
2008-11-18 by Dhymitruy Bouryiotis
I just ordered a 255 -- I liked reading that word "beautiful" next to it... On 17-Nov-08, at 3:13 PM, cuari7 wrote: > Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to have > the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful > 255) > for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings. > > Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this would > certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad case of > buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!! > > jd > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote: > > > > i do not concur > > > > presets dude > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-11-18 by joe Pascarell
ahhh. the 255 .... a wonderful module ...... i love it ... --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Dhymitruy Bouryiotis <da108@telus.net> wrote:
From: Dhymitruy Bouryiotis <da108@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [200e] Re: new 200e modules
To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:02 PM
I just ordered a 255 -- I liked reading that word "beautiful" next to
it...
On 17-Nov-08, at 3:13 PM, cuari7 wrote:
> Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to have
> the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful
> 255)
> for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings.
>
> Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this would
> certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad case of
> buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!!
>
> jd
>
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups. com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > i do not concur
> >
> > presets dude
> >
>
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-11-20 by kkonkkrete
Here's an idea for a new module that would help people building smaller systems: Top half would be the top half of the 255, bottom half would be the bottom half of the 256e. That would handle both 'flavours' of CV processing in a single panel, albeit in lesser quantities. Sort of the same philosophy as the 206e: combining elements of the 225e and 227e in a single compact panel. I would also love to see some form of delay and spring reverb module (I can imagine these squeezed together into a single panel, kind of like the 190 or 275, but with some kind of Wilson Analogue Delay or something of that ilk in there too). As it stands, I think that is the biggest basic sonic element missing from the 200e compared to previous B&A systems. Having said this, I also wholeheartedly support Don Buchla coming up with whatever the hell he feels like to pursue his own singular vision of the instrument! --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, joe Pascarell <buchlajoe@...> wrote:
> > ahhh. the 255 .... a wonderful module ...... i love it ... > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Dhymitruy Bouryiotis <da108@...> wrote: > From: Dhymitruy Bouryiotis <da108@...> > Subject: Re: [200e] Re: new 200e modules > To: 200e@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I just ordered a 255 -- I liked reading that word "beautiful" next to > > it... > > > > On 17-Nov-08, at 3:13 PM, cuari7 wrote: > > > > > Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to have > > > the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful > > > 255) > > > for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings. > > > > > > Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this would > > > certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad case of > > > buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!! > > > > > > jd > > > > > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups. com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > i do not concur > > > > > > > > presets dude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-11-20 by Dhymitruy Bouryiotis
re. reverb -- I am regularly amazed at the reverberatory quality that can come out of various patches of 200e modules. the buchla creates its own sonic space. On 20-Nov-08, at 2:09 PM, kkonkkrete wrote: > > Here's an idea for a new module that would help people building > smaller systems: > Top half would be the top half of the 255, bottom half would be the > bottom half of > the 256e. That would handle both 'flavours' of CV processing in a > single panel, albeit > in lesser quantities. Sort of the same philosophy as the 206e: > combining elements of > the 225e and 227e in a single compact panel. > > I would also love to see some form of delay and spring reverb module > (I can imagine > these squeezed together into a single panel, kind of like the 190 or > 275, but with > some kind of Wilson Analogue Delay or something of that ilk in there > too). As it > stands, I think that is the biggest basic sonic element missing from > the 200e > compared to previous B&A systems. > > Having said this, I also wholeheartedly support Don Buchla coming up > with whatever > the hell he feels like to pursue his own singular vision of the > instrument! > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, joe Pascarell <buchlajoe@...> wrote: > > > > ahhh. the 255 .... a wonderful module ...... i love it ... > > > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Dhymitruy Bouryiotis <da108@...> wrote: > > From: Dhymitruy Bouryiotis <da108@...> > > Subject: Re: [200e] Re: new 200e modules > > To: 200e@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just ordered a 255 -- I liked reading that word "beautiful" next > to > > > > it... > > > > > > > > On 17-Nov-08, at 3:13 PM, cuari7 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, you're right about this. But it would still be wonderful to > have > > > > > the option of a few non preset-devoted modules (like the beautiful > > > > > 255) > > > > > for those of us who are not interested in saving module settings. > > > > > > > > > > Now, switching gears toward the 24-module cabinet option: this > would > > > > > certainly be a fantastic option for some of us with this bad > case of > > > > > buchlaholism. Think of how beautiful it would look!! > > > > > > > > > > jd > > > > > > > > > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups. com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not concur > > > > > > > > > > > > presets dude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]