200e

arent the 256e and 210e doing the same thing with regards to voltage
mixing ? If I use the 210e and have 3 CV inputs sent to output 1 thats
voltage mixing isnt it? 

I have 6 panels left and I am trying to decide what I need

Cynthia Zoe
Model 225e
Model 256e
Model 285e

I like the idea of the 225e but am not interested in playing it in a
conventional note system..has someone done a youtube vid of the 225e
not set up like an abstract piano?

On Nov 14, 2008, at 4:01 AM, cray5656 wrote:
> arent the 256e and 210e doing the same thing with regards to voltage
> mixing ?

Not really. The 256e allows for many different transformations of a  
CV, but mixing isn't its strong suit. It can mix two sources but I  
don't think that it can mix at full scale (the inputs are scaled  
somewhat when the xfade knob is in the middle). It can invert, scale  
and can act like a crossfader/VCA on a control signal. It's handy, for  
sure.


> If I use the 210e and have 3 CV inputs sent to output 1 thats
> voltage mixing isnt it?

Yes, the 210e can mix any proportion of its inputs to any of its  
outputs.


> I like the idea of the 225e but am not interested in playing it in a
> conventional note system..has someone done a youtube vid of the 225e
> not set up like an abstract piano?


Not a video, but many of my drones involve using controller Buss J-P  
on the 225e and a custom program to create arbitrary shapes for slow  
"LFO's". A good example is BattleDrone, found on the bottom of http://www.xfade.com/Buchla 
  It has many different shapes and lengths of cycle. 17YearGuest and,  
to a lesser extent, VoxGong also illustrate this. From my B-Sides page http://xfade.com/Buchla/B_Sides.html 
  Drrrrone uses this technique.

I also use a little DJ control surface to send knobs and switches to  
the 225e.

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:01 AM, cray5656 <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> arent the 256e and 210e doing the same thing with regards to voltage
> mixing ? If I use the 210e and have 3 CV inputs sent to output 1 thats
> voltage mixing isnt it?

the 210e allows fully arbitrary but basically non-dynamic mixing of
mabny sources and destinations (8x5)

the 256e can do dynamic (cv-controlled) scaling, inversion, and fades
between (two) cv sources.

pretty different...

> I have 6 panels left and I am trying to decide what I need
>
> Cynthia Zoe
> Model 225e
> Model 256e
> Model 285e

the 256e seems kindof useless here because you have very few cv
sources. i guess i would go with a 291e, which does lots of stuff.

> I like the idea of the 225e but am not interested in playing it in a
> conventional note system..has someone done a youtube vid of the 225e
> not set up like an abstract piano?

i don't have any videos, but i've used it for all kinds of stuff. with
a computer, it becomes simply a means to produce arbitrary
externally-controlled pulses and cvs (limited by MIDI resolution). i
used it as the brains for a pretty gnarly abstract 4panel feedback
patch at the last NAMM...

sorry for wasting peoples time I meant the 222e Kin Port not 225e

I like the idea of the 222e but am not interested in playing it in a
conventional note system..has someone done a youtube vid of the 225e
not set up like an abstract piano?

>
>

With all this talk of new modules do you think we may see a 24 WLS?
>
>

Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that doesn't 
need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
Saves loosing 4 spaces.
>
>

Yes, it is called the Lightning 3.

On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:52 PM, amnesia wrote:

> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that  
> doesn't
> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
> >
> >
>
>

oohhhhh snap!

On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:57 PM, damon wrote:

> Yes, it is called the Lightning 3.
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:52 PM, amnesia wrote:
>
>> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that
>> doesn't
>> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
>> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I am confused...Isnt the Lightning 3 a huge touch pad..i was asking 
about the rings only in a system.

Alessandro Cortini wrote:

>
> oohhhhh snap!
>
> On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:57 PM, damon wrote:
>
> > Yes, it is called the Lightning 3.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:52 PM, amnesia wrote:
> >
> >> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that
> >> doesn't
> >> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
> >> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Lightning is a very advanced midi controller that translate gestures
in three dimensional space into midi but its not just X,Y,Z like the
222e, Lightning is a much more versatile programmable instrument. You
can divide space into individual zones, it detects strikes in
different directions tha can trigger notes, you can do "strums" and
pitch can be set to follow certain scales etc etc etc. Lightning can
be controlled with the wands its usually pictured with, but i think
the 222e rings will work as well, there were some other kinds of
devices to swing in air as well made for the first two versions of
Lightning.

This is a description of Lightning II:
http://www.buchla.com/lightning/descript.html

2008/11/15 amnesia <amni56@tpg.com.au>:

> I am confused...Isnt the Lightning 3 a huge touch pad..i was asking
> about the rings only in a system.
>
> Alessandro Cortini wrote:
>>
>> oohhhhh snap!
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:57 PM, damon wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, it is called the Lightning 3.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:52 PM, amnesia wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that
>> >> doesn't
>> >> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
>> >> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Ahhh I was thinking Lightning was the marimba..oops

What about one with a chromatic 12-note scale (no offense to the Fire 
Bird....) like the original Kinesthetic Input Port? A frequently 
underestimated value of touchplates is the fact that they trigger with 
minimal effort, thereby decreasing repetitive stress and risk of 
tendinitis. As a long-time tendinitis and carpal tunnel sufferer, I 
would love to have one of these.
Ezra?

jd


> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that 
doesn't 

> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
> >
> >
>

most of the function of the panel is to configure and create complex
routings of the huge amount of data sent frmo the touch pad (velocity,
position, pressure, and key numbers...)

the rings just send pretty much raw x/y/z out the banana jacks

...so if you threw out the touchplate there wouldn't be much left for
the module to do. arguably not worth its space...

lightning 3, on the other hand, is focussed on letting the user create
arbitrary and sophisticated carvings-up of the physical and gestural
spaces perceived by the x/y/z sensor...

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:52 PM, amnesia <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that doesn't
> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>
>

well, i gess the answer to all these kinds of questions of "how about
xyz module" is that don is going to continue designing the things that
HE wants, pretty much regardless of demand. and he shows no signs of
running out of ideas...

i played a lot of Thunder as a kid. piano too. fact is, it's a lot
easier than you might expect to play chromatic music on that layout,
once you consider the ability to create arbitrary scale mappings and
transposition toggles. fwiw, ymmv

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM, cuari7 <cuari7@comcast.net> wrote:
> What about one with a chromatic 12-note scale (no offense to the Fire
> Bird....) like the original Kinesthetic Input Port? A frequently
> underestimated value of touchplates is the fact that they trigger with
> minimal effort, thereby decreasing repetitive stress and risk of
> tendinitis. As a long-time tendinitis and carpal tunnel sufferer, I
> would love to have one of these.
> Ezra?
>
> jd
>
>> Is it at all possible that in the future we may see a 222e that
> doesn't
>> need the touch plates you can just use the rings?
>> Saves loosing 4 spaces.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:28 PM, ezra buchla wrote:

> i played a lot of Thunder as a kid. piano too. fact is, it's a lot
> easier than you might expect to play chromatic music on that layout,
> once you consider the ability to create arbitrary scale mappings and
> transposition toggles. fwiw, ymmv


I played a lot of Thunder when Ezra was a kid, too. :-)

He's absolutely right about the transposition toggle thing. It's a  
really interesting way to slide up and down in pitch space.

My main complaint with Thunder (which I think has gotten better on the  
222e) is that the touch went from feather-light to lightweight. Within  
its range it was smooth, but it was really easy hang out at the top of  
the dynamic range.

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com