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2010-07-09 by Rash Rahim
I am contemplating losing a Twisted 259e in favour of a Complex 259e, 261e, or
possibly something else interesting. For logistical reasons, a European trade
would be preferred, if you wish to suggest a possible trade, please write to me
privately.
Cheers!
Rash
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-11 by nicholas_kent
--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Rash Rahim <rashemirashim@...> wrote: > > I am contemplating losing a Twisted 259e in favour of a Complex 259e, 261e, or > possibly something else interesting. For logistical reasons, a European trade > would be preferred, if you wish to suggest a possible trade, please write to me > privately. > You could just ask B&A to put the older complex 259e firmware on a spare card and downgrade the Twisted version. I'd guess that would only be a problem if you have no preset manager or you have to have the silk screening on the front panel un-revised. The graphics are the only revision not covered in the software update, functionally the hardware involved with either 259e is the same. Nick
2010-07-11 by damon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adeneko/4104392231/ the new one has two new LEDs, one on each osc, and no longer displays bus assignment with the LED trio near remote enable... i believe that i have been told that the new hardware does not run the old firmware properly. On Jul 11, 2010, at 1:17 AM, nicholas_kent wrote: > > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Rash Rahim <rashemirashim@...> wrote: > > > > I am contemplating losing a Twisted 259e in favour of a Complex 259e, 261e, or > > possibly something else interesting. For logistical reasons, a European trade > > would be preferred, if you wish to suggest a possible trade, please write to me > > privately. > > > > You could just ask B&A to put the older complex 259e firmware on a spare card and downgrade the Twisted version. I'd guess that would only be a problem if you have no preset manager or you have to have the silk screening on the front panel un-revised. The graphics are the only revision not covered in the software update, functionally the hardware involved with either 259e is the same. > > Nick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-11 by jon schatz
On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:28 AM, damon wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/adeneko/4104392231/ > > the new one has two new LEDs, one on each osc, and no longer displays bus assignment with the LED trio near remote enable... > > i believe that i have been told that the new hardware does not run the old firmware properly. the twisted hardware uses some extra pins for led loading. if you run the old software on the new hardware you will find that many of the leds don't light properly. sound generation should work fine though. the old hardware can run both versions of the software. the only advantage of the old software is direct access to the top banks but you can find those in the twisted software by scanning bank c. running the old firmware also means you lose many of the recent bug fixes not directly related to the twisting process (better cv tracking and calibration, better handling of midi pitch bend, etc). thanks, -jon
2010-07-11 by damon
thanks for the clarification. ;-] On Jul 11, 2010, at 10:35 AM, jon schatz wrote: > > On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:28 AM, damon wrote: > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/adeneko/4104392231/ > > > > the new one has two new LEDs, one on each osc, and no longer displays bus assignment with the LED trio near remote enable... > > > > i believe that i have been told that the new hardware does not run the old firmware properly. > > the twisted hardware uses some extra pins for led loading. if you run the old software on the new hardware you will find that many of the leds don't light properly. sound generation should work fine though. > > the old hardware can run both versions of the software. the only advantage of the old software is direct access to the top banks but you can find those in the twisted software by scanning bank c. running the old firmware also means you lose many of the recent bug fixes not directly related to the twisting process (better cv tracking and calibration, better handling of midi pitch bend, etc). > > thanks, > > -jon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-11 by michael
btw, i took a proper 259e TWG photo in my studio for inclusion in modular planners and the Buchla website to replace the older one in my flickr. http://www.silentspring.net/pix/259eTWG.jpg <%20http://www.silentspring.net/pix/259eTWG.jpg> michael barber --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, damon <damon@...> wrote: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/adeneko/4104392231/ > > the new one has two new LEDs, one on each osc, and no longer displays bus assignment with the LED trio near remote enable... > > i believe that i have been told that the new hardware does not run the old firmware properly. > > > On Jul 11, 2010, at 1:17 AM, nicholas_kent wrote: > > > > > > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Rash Rahim rashemirashim@ wrote: > > > > > > I am contemplating losing a Twisted 259e in favour of a Complex 259e, 261e, or > > > possibly something else interesting. For logistical reasons, a European trade > > > would be preferred, if you wish to suggest a possible trade, please write to me > > > privately. > > > > > > > You could just ask B&A to put the older complex 259e firmware on a spare card and downgrade the Twisted version. I'd guess that would only be a problem if you have no preset manager or you have to have the silk screening on the front panel un-revised. The graphics are the only revision not covered in the software update, functionally the hardware involved with either 259e is the same. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-12 by Rash Rahim
Lovely photo there Michael. And thanks to all for the input and clarification. Call me a hopeless nostalgic fool, I would still entertain a trade towards a non Twisted 259e - if anybody out there has a Complex one and fancies adding a Twisted instead, you can write to my anytime. Cheers. ________________________________
From: michael <m@silentspring.net>
To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 10:14:03 PM
Subject: [200e] Re: Possibly FT: 259e Twisted Waveform Generator
btw, i took a proper 259e TWG photo in my studio for inclusion in
modular planners and the Buchla website to replace the older one in my
flickr.
http://www.silentspring.net/pix/259eTWG.jpg
<%20http://www.silentspring.net/pix/259eTWG.jpg>
michael barber
--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, damon <damon@...> wrote:
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/adeneko/4104392231/
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> the new one has two new LEDs, one on each osc, and no longer displays
bus assignment with the LED trio near remote enable...
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> i believe that i have been told that the new hardware does not run the
old firmware properly.
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 1:17 AM, nicholas_kent wrote:
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> > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Rash Rahim rashemirashim@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I am contemplating losing a Twisted 259e in favour of a Complex
259e, 261e, or
> > > possibly something else interesting. For logistical reasons, a
European trade
> > > would be preferred, if you wish to suggest a possible trade,
please write to me
> > > privately.
> > >
> >
> > You could just ask B&A to put the older complex 259e firmware on a
spare card and downgrade the Twisted version. I'd guess that would only
be a problem if you have no preset manager or you have to have the silk
screening on the front panel un-revised. The graphics are the only
revision not covered in the software update, functionally the hardware
involved with either 259e is the same.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-12 by cyaarsoil
--- Zu 200e@yahoogroups.com, jon schatz <jon@...> hat schreiben innerhalb anderer: "> the only advantage of the old software is direct access to the top banks but you can find those in the twisted software by scanning bank c." to which I'd like to add: it takes quite a bit of fiddling to find those precise offsets. when scanning the memories, the red and green sides still act differently from each other. the green transforms a sine, the red a ramp (sawtooth). so even lined up to exactly the same address offset in memory, the two sides sound differently. [I was trying to keep the red/green subjective differences somehow. but now: green side sounds as the red one did in the notwist vers!] Which I wonder if anyone has done (twice the fiddling) and noted. Perhaps even without using similar areas in the memory, the difference might be apparent now that you know where to look: different style of spectral evolution with 'warp' also who's gotten into slight (meaning significantly/somewhat smaller than address range scanned by driving function) deviations between red and green memory offsets? overlapping tables basically.