200e

Hi all

I am this close to ordering a Buchla 200e, after finding out that I
dont have to buy a full system.

After Donh's system I have decided to get what he had.

What I want to know is why do some modules get taken off the for sale
list ie 259e and what is the difference between the 259e and the 261e

Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
1 259e
1 261e
1 292e
1 250e
1 281e
1 291e
1 266e

I have a 4 panel Serge system and love it but always wanted a Buchla
and now its time to sell some synths and get the Buchla.

Any advise would be welcome

On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, cray5656 wrote:
> What I want to know is why do some modules get taken off the for sale
> list ie 259e and what is the difference between the 259e and the 261e
>
 From some points of view, the 259e and 261e are somewhat similar:  
they are both dual oscillators, they both have complex timbre  
sections, they both have digital sine wave cores.

The 259e got a sort of bad reputation, early on, because of ailiasing  
artifacts, but it is actually a pretty interesting sounding  
oscillator. http://www.buchla.com/200e/259e.html - this is no longer  
linked to from the main site

The only one currently made, the 261e, is a pretty close cousin to the  
original 259, from the mid 1970s.
http://www.buchla.com/200e/261e.html

They are both interesting flavors. I think that the 261e is a little  
more aggressive sounding.

> Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
> 1 259e
> 1 261e
> 1 292e
> 1 250e
> 1 281e
> 1 291e
> 1 266e
>

First off, I would recommend that you get a case bigger than you need  
right away. I don't know what the price difference is between an eight  
space cabinet and the twelve space cabinet, but I would try and scrape  
together the difference.

Second, there is no 225e in the above system. In addition to allowing  
for MIDI control, the 225e is also responsible for saving & restoring  
presets, and installing software updates. I think that it's really  
crucial to have one of these.


Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

Cheers Chris

I thought about the 225e but I dont care if I cant save patches. So I 
didn't bother with it.

I already have about 9 Plan B , Livewire ,Doepfer modules still to get 
so I think , prey this Buchla purchase will not grow, I have been happy 
with my 4 panel Serge, but i guess I use all the euro modules to play 
with the Serge..

Also Will I be able to patch the Serge an the 200e, or will they be 
different voltage issues?

Appreciate the help

Ross



Chris Muir wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, cray5656 wrote:
> > What I want to know is why do some modules get taken off the for sale
> > list ie 259e and what is the difference between the 259e and the 261e
> >
> From some points of view, the 259e and 261e are somewhat similar:
> they are both dual oscillators, they both have complex timbre
> sections, they both have digital sine wave cores.
>
> The 259e got a sort of bad reputation, early on, because of ailiasing
> artifacts, but it is actually a pretty interesting sounding
> oscillator. http://www.buchla.com/200e/259e.html 
> <http://www.buchla.com/200e/259e.html> - this is no longer
> linked to from the main site
>
> The only one currently made, the 261e, is a pretty close cousin to the
> original 259, from the mid 1970s.
> http://www.buchla.com/200e/261e.html 
> <http://www.buchla.com/200e/261e.html>
>
> They are both interesting flavors. I think that the 261e is a little
> more aggressive sounding.
>
> > Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
> > 1 259e
> > 1 261e
> > 1 292e
> > 1 250e
> > 1 281e
> > 1 291e
> > 1 266e
> >
>
> First off, I would recommend that you get a case bigger than you need
> right away. I don't know what the price difference is between an eight
> space cabinet and the twelve space cabinet, but I would try and scrape
> together the difference.
>
> Second, there is no 225e in the above system. In addition to allowing
> for MIDI control, the 225e is also responsible for saving & restoring
> presets, and installing software updates. I think that it's really
> crucial to have one of these.
>
> Chris Muir
> cbm@well.com <mailto:cbm%40well.com>
> http://www.xfade.com <http://www.xfade.com>
>
>

The 259e and the 261e are both great, I wish the 259e
would return!
For what I do, the 225e  isn't needed so much. The
222e would probably be my next pick, then the 210e
maybe, but I'm extremely happy with mine as it is.
I've find working with the 200e to be most satisfying
when I don't attempt to combine it with other
instruments, instead attempting more of a focused
approached.
Don


--- Chris Muir <cbm@well.com> wrote:

> 
> The 259e got a sort of bad reputation, early on,
> because of ailiasing  
> artifacts, but it is actually a pretty interesting
> sounding  
> oscillator. http://www.buchla.com/200e/259e.html -
> this is no longer  
> linked to from the main site



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> I already have about 9 Plan B , Livewire ,Doepfer
> modules still to get 
> so I think , prey this Buchla purchase will not
> grow,

you can pray , but i bet it will grow.
it's addicting  ,the buchla thing
i would get a bigger case than you think you need
and don't underestimate the 225e's midi implementation
it is very useful IMO
joe
--- amnesia <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Cheers Chris
> 
> I thought about the 225e but I dont care if I cant
> save patches. So I 
> didn't bother with it.
> 
> I already have about 9 Plan B , Livewire ,Doepfer
> modules still to get 
> so I think , prey this Buchla purchase will not
> grow, I have been happy 
> with my 4 panel Serge, but i guess I use all the
> euro modules to play 
> with the Serge..
> 
> Also Will I be able to patch the Serge an the 200e,
> or will they be 
> different voltage issues?
> 
> Appreciate the help
> 
> Ross
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Muir wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, cray5656 wrote:
> > > What I want to know is why do some modules get
> taken off the for sale
> > > list ie 259e and what is the difference between
> the 259e and the 261e
> > >
> > From some points of view, the 259e and 261e are
> somewhat similar:
> > they are both dual oscillators, they both have
> complex timbre
> > sections, they both have digital sine wave cores.
> >
> > The 259e got a sort of bad reputation, early on,
> because of ailiasing
> > artifacts, but it is actually a pretty interesting
> sounding
> > oscillator. http://www.buchla.com/200e/259e.html 
> > <http://www.buchla.com/200e/259e.html> - this is
> no longer
> > linked to from the main site
> >
> > The only one currently made, the 261e, is a pretty
> close cousin to the
> > original 259, from the mid 1970s.
> > http://www.buchla.com/200e/261e.html 
> > <http://www.buchla.com/200e/261e.html>
> >
> > They are both interesting flavors. I think that
> the 261e is a little
> > more aggressive sounding.
> >
> > > Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2
> boat system
> > > 1 259e
> > > 1 261e
> > > 1 292e
> > > 1 250e
> > > 1 281e
> > > 1 291e
> > > 1 266e
> > >
> >
> > First off, I would recommend that you get a case
> bigger than you need
> > right away. I don't know what the price difference
> is between an eight
> > space cabinet and the twelve space cabinet, but I
> would try and scrape
> > together the difference.
> >
> > Second, there is no 225e in the above system. In
> addition to allowing
> > for MIDI control, the 225e is also responsible for
> saving & restoring
> > presets, and installing software updates. I think
> that it's really
> > crucial to have one of these.
> >
> > Chris Muir
> > cbm@well.com <mailto:cbm%40well.com>
> > http://www.xfade.com <http://www.xfade.com>
> >
> >  
> 
> 



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I am starting to get my head around all this now with the panel sizes 
width, so a 4 panel is the size of a Serge boat?
So i need to get a 12 WLS?
If I added the 222e to the below system that will all fit exactly?
If I went with the normal 18 WLS i assume I will just have 6 blank 
panels so 2 either side of the 3 rows.
i don use midi on any of my modulars but I guess It could be an option 
in the future

Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
1 259e
1 261e
1 292e
1 250e
1 281e
1 291e
1 266e


Any idea what the email reply time is with Buchla is been 2 days now, 
also what the turn around time is for systems. I assume its a few months 
to 6 months?

On Mar 28, 2008, at 2:35 PM, amnesia wrote:
> I am starting to get my head around all this now with the panel sizes
> width, so a 4 panel is the size of a Serge boat?
> So i need to get a 12 WLS?
> If I added the 222e to the below system that will all fit exactly?
> If I went with the normal 18 WLS i assume I will just have 6 blank
> panels so 2 either side of the 3 rows.
> i don use midi on any of my modulars but I guess It could be an option
> in the future
>
> Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
> 1 259e
> 1 261e
> 1 292e
> 1 250e
> 1 281e
> 1 291e
> 1 266e
>
That takes exactly 8 spaces (the 250e is double width), so if you got  
the 12 space case, you could add the 222e and be full. If you can  
stand the blank panels mocking you, I would suggest getting the 18  
space case.

I'll admit to printing out life size pictures of modules I planned to  
get, and taping them to blank panels. I'm not proud of it.

A Serge panel is more or less the same size as a Buchla 4 space boat.  
(don't know about depth)

> Any idea what the email reply time is with Buchla is been 2 days now,
> also what the turn around time is for systems. I assume its a few  
> months
> to 6 months?
>
Email turnaround time is anywhere from a couple of hours to the end of  
time. Email is not the best way to get ahold of anyone there.

Phone works best (but I understand that that might not work well for  
you, being a day in the future and all)

I don't know what the backlog is like these days.


Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

Ha ha you looser , :-)
I was thinking of making cardboard cut outs of the panels too :-)

Funny thing is this time last year i drew a Buchla on a piece of paper 
and wrote by April 30 2008 I will have a Buchla system...I was kinda 
hoping I would have won the lottery and not be paying for it myself :-)
THE SECRET :-)


Ross
Chris Muir wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 2:35 PM, amnesia wrote:
> > I am starting to get my head around all this now with the panel sizes
> > width, so a 4 panel is the size of a Serge boat?
> > So i need to get a 12 WLS?
> > If I added the 222e to the below system that will all fit exactly?
> > If I went with the normal 18 WLS i assume I will just have 6 blank
> > panels so 2 either side of the 3 rows.
> > i don use midi on any of my modulars but I guess It could be an option
> > in the future
> >
> > Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
> > 1 259e
> > 1 261e
> > 1 292e
> > 1 250e
> > 1 281e
> > 1 291e
> > 1 266e
> >
> That takes exactly 8 spaces (the 250e is double width), so if you got
> the 12 space case, you could add the 222e and be full. If you can
> stand the blank panels mocking you, I would suggest getting the 18
> space case.
>
> I'll admit to printing out life size pictures of modules I planned to
> get, and taping them to blank panels. I'm not proud of it.
>
> A Serge panel is more or less the same size as a Buchla 4 space boat.
> (don't know about depth)
>
> > Any idea what the email reply time is with Buchla is been 2 days now,
> > also what the turn around time is for systems. I assume its a few
> > months
> > to 6 months?
> >
> Email turnaround time is anywhere from a couple of hours to the end of
> time. Email is not the best way to get ahold of anyone there.
>
> Phone works best (but I understand that that might not work well for
> you, being a day in the future and all)
>
> I don't know what the backlog is like these days.
>
> Chris Muir
> cbm@well.com <mailto:cbm%40well.com>
> http://www.xfade.com <http://www.xfade.com>
>
>

Oh and i made a 40 page Buchla 200e brochure last night so I can read it 
on the train :-)


Chris Muir wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 2:35 PM, amnesia wrote:
> > I am starting to get my head around all this now with the panel sizes
> > width, so a 4 panel is the size of a Serge boat?
> > So i need to get a 12 WLS?
> > If I added the 222e to the below system that will all fit exactly?
> > If I went with the normal 18 WLS i assume I will just have 6 blank
> > panels so 2 either side of the 3 rows.
> > i don use midi on any of my modulars but I guess It could be an option
> > in the future
> >
> > Below is the list of what i want to buy on a 2 boat system
> > 1 259e
> > 1 261e
> > 1 292e
> > 1 250e
> > 1 281e
> > 1 291e
> > 1 266e
> >
> That takes exactly 8 spaces (the 250e is double width), so if you got
> the 12 space case, you could add the 222e and be full. If you can
> stand the blank panels mocking you, I would suggest getting the 18
> space case.
>
> I'll admit to printing out life size pictures of modules I planned to
> get, and taping them to blank panels. I'm not proud of it.
>
> A Serge panel is more or less the same size as a Buchla 4 space boat.
> (don't know about depth)
>
> > Any idea what the email reply time is with Buchla is been 2 days now,
> > also what the turn around time is for systems. I assume its a few
> > months
> > to 6 months?
> >
> Email turnaround time is anywhere from a couple of hours to the end of
> time. Email is not the best way to get ahold of anyone there.
>
> Phone works best (but I understand that that might not work well for
> you, being a day in the future and all)
>
> I don't know what the backlog is like these days.
>
> Chris Muir
> cbm@well.com <mailto:cbm%40well.com>
> http://www.xfade.com <http://www.xfade.com>
>
>

Hi all

Just read a comment over at Doepfer forum that the SOU is to be 
discontinued?

Is this true? why?
What is coming out to replace it?


>
>

i have no info on this , but i would highly doubt that that is true

amnesia <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:                             Hi all
 
 Just read a comment over at Doepfer forum that the SOU is to be 
 discontinued?
 
 Is this true? why?
 What is coming out to replace it?
 
 >
 >  
 
 
     
                                       

       
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are you sure they don't mean the A100 SOU (modules) ?
 
 I doubt buchla would discontinue that module as long as systems are selling and it appears from all the chatter lately that they are selling well.
 
 
 
 
 

joe Pascarell <buchlajoe@yahoo.com> wrote:                             i have no info on this , but i would highly doubt that that is true
 
 amnesia <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:                             Hi all
  
  Just read a comment over at Doepfer forum that the SOU is to be 
  discontinued?
  
  Is this true? why?
  What is coming out to replace it?
  
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reed had his serge panels modified to work with buchla level cv and
pulses. within the 200 series there are different pulse output levels
and shapes, not that it's directly pertinent, just in for your
information.


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote:

>
> 
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:33 AM, amnesia wrote:
> > I thought about the 225e but I dont care if I cant save patches. So I
> > didn't bother with it.
> >
> And you don't care about firmware updates, or MIDI control?
> 
> > I already have about 9 Plan B , Livewire ,Doepfer modules still to get
> > so I think , prey this Buchla purchase will not grow, I have been  
> > happy
> > with my 4 panel Serge, but i guess I use all the euro modules to play
> > with the Serge..
> >
> > Also Will I be able to patch the Serge an the 200e, or will they be
> > different voltage issues?
> >
> Many things will work, but the pitch CV scaling is different, and  
> pulses are different.
> 
> >
> -C
> 
> Chris Muir
> cbm@...	
> http://www.xfade.com
>

On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:33 AM, amnesia wrote:
> I thought about the 225e but I dont care if I cant save patches. So I
> didn't bother with it.
>
And you don't care about firmware updates, or MIDI control?

> I already have about 9 Plan B , Livewire ,Doepfer modules still to get
> so I think , prey this Buchla purchase will not grow, I have been  
> happy
> with my 4 panel Serge, but i guess I use all the euro modules to play
> with the Serge..
>
> Also Will I be able to patch the Serge an the 200e, or will they be
> different voltage issues?
>
Many things will work, but the pitch CV scaling is different, and  
pulses are different.

>
-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

Anyone in the Washington, DC metro area with some 200e that wouldn't mind
giving a demo, etc.?

Matt

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:32 PM, ispeakhopelandic <
ispeakhopelandic@yahoo.com> wrote:

>   reed had his serge panels modified to work with buchla level cv and
> pulses. within the 200 series there are different pulse output levels
> and shapes, not that it's directly pertinent, just in for your
> information.
>
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com <200e%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Muir <cbm@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:33 AM, amnesia wrote:
> > > I thought about the 225e but I dont care if I cant save patches. So I
> > > didn't bother with it.
> > >
> > And you don't care about firmware updates, or MIDI control?
> >
> > > I already have about 9 Plan B , Livewire ,Doepfer modules still to get
> > > so I think , prey this Buchla purchase will not grow, I have been
> > > happy
> > > with my 4 panel Serge, but i guess I use all the euro modules to play
> > > with the Serge..
> > >
> > > Also Will I be able to patch the Serge an the 200e, or will they be
> > > different voltage issues?
> > >
> > Many things will work, but the pitch CV scaling is different, and
> > pulses are different.
> >
> > >
> > -C
> >
> > Chris Muir
> > cbm@...
> > http://www.xfade.com
> >
>
>  
>


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