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An1x Live

2006-05-09 by nobody cares

Greetings folks, sorry if you've had this one before...

i have a few questions for those of you that play live and use an AN1x...my current set up is an an1x, an akai ax60, a yamaha a4000 and a couple of cd players... (sometimes my ms2000r, but i hate carrying the rack so i often leave it behind)
my band tends to be loud. we dont have a bass player so both guitarists use a/b switchs to turn on bass cabs for certain parts....further more we are drop "C" tuned..it makes for a bit of a thick/noisey sound.....anyways, right now im just runningt hru a 6 channel berhinger mixer into a carvin keyboard head into two pa speakers. understanably, this is producing a great sound, but it kinda works for now.  i find myself playing higher notes just to hear myself sometimes and when im playing lower, i just kinda hope it fits.....although im not really doing anything "lead" like, more atmospheres, loops, noise, and occaisionaly notes of some sort...
so...
any suggestions from those of you that do play live?  something to maybe make the most of the range of frequencies...ive though of tube preamps to maybe get some warmth....then i thought maybe a guitar or bass head? or should i go the PA route?  any ideas appreciated?  also, any suggestions on different patch volume issues when playing live?  ive thought about getting a compressor to try and control it, but a friend said that would be a bad idea as it would compromise any sort of programmed dynamics, etc....

thanks for any help and sorry for being long winded.
nader.

		
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Re: [AN1x] An1x Live

2006-05-09 by Jeff

Hi !
i don't play keyboards live , but i've some experience in P.A.
If you use a compressor , you'll kill all the dynamic of the keyboard . 
If you want to try it for free , cut off the velocity on your synth , 
crank up the volume pot and play ...
I think that your problem could be that your band mates play too loud , 
or have more powerful amps than yours . Maybe your amp (depending on how 
you tweak the "tone" pots) lacks of low frequency response , or your 
speakers ? The keyboards frequency range is much wider than a guitar or 
a bass , so you must use wide band speakers ....and good ones : it can 
get lower than the  low E of a bass guitar and higher than a screaming 
lead part on the  guitar .
Another important point  is the "yield" or "sensitivity" of your 
speakers . It is a value in dB for 1 watt : i think this is self 
explanatory , 1W of electrical power applied to the speaker coil gives X 
dB of sound level . But remember that dB are logarithmic units ! 95dB/W 
seems to be a minimum value , unless you can supply a huge power with 
your amp .
Low frequency , with a good quality and a good sensitivity bass speakers 
can be very expensive ... but low frequencies (under 200 or 300 Hz) are 
not "directive" , so you can add a powered bass cabinet to your set up 
to enhance the lower frequencies .
@+
J.F.

nobody cares a \ufffdcrit :

>Greetings folks, sorry if you've had this one before...
>
>i have a few questions for those of you that play live and use an AN1x...my current set up is an an1x, an akai ax60, a yamaha a4000 and a couple of cd players... (sometimes my ms2000r, but i hate carrying the rack so i often leave it behind)
>my band tends to be loud. we dont have a bass player so both guitarists use a/b switchs to turn on bass cabs for certain parts....further more we are drop "C" tuned..it makes for a bit of a thick/noisey sound.....anyways, right now im just runningt hru a 6 channel berhinger mixer into a carvin keyboard head into two pa speakers. understanably, this is producing a great sound, but it kinda works for now.  i find myself playing higher notes just to hear myself sometimes and when im playing lower, i just kinda hope it fits.....although im not really doing anything "lead" like, more atmospheres, loops, noise, and occaisionaly notes of some sort...
>so...
>any suggestions from those of you that do play live?  something to maybe make the most of the range of frequencies...ive though of tube preamps to maybe get some warmth....then i thought maybe a guitar or bass head? or should i go the PA route?  any ideas appreciated?  also, any suggestions on different patch volume issues when playing live?  ive thought about getting a compressor to try and control it, but a friend said that would be a bad idea as it would compromise any sort of programmed dynamics, etc.......
>
>thanks for any help and sorry for being long winded.
>nader.
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Re: [AN1x] An1x Live

2006-05-10 by Ed Edwards

Drop "C" (dropsy)?  Crap, that's 4 semi-tones below what guitars are 
designed for.  Um, I suppose you get a lot of bass frequencies, but as a 
guitarist I don't know how they stay in tune above the 12th fret without 
specialized super-tuning.  Further, there are 8 semi tones below that C 
that a bass guitar can reach but those dropsy guitarists can't.  As a 
gimmick, I'm not convinced.

Anyway, yes, I use the AN1x live.  All I can say about where you "fit in 
the mix" is that it takes a bit of intuition as well as a bit of skill.  
Each instrument should occupy its individual sound spectrum so there is 
minimal overlap or stepping on the others tones.

If you are compressing every channel then you will never be able to get 
a balanced sound.  Compression is a crutch --  a band-aid, an artificial 
squirt, MSG, chemical enhancement of organic tones... be very, very 
careful if you use it.

Meanwhile, remember that a keyboard often is pushed into an 
accompaniment situation by vol-egotistical guitarists.  Be firm, be 
omnipotent -- you play the KEYBOARDS!   No guitarist, bassist, singer, 
drummer or sewerist can overwhelm you if you know how much power you 
have in your arsenal. 

Bwahhahahahahahha!  It belches - it screams - it slams - it pleads - it 
cries - it sings - it grunts - it leads.  You have the POWER.  YOU have 
the range.  Teach them to take their wooden phallus' and back down while 
a man gives some art to the audience without cocking his trigger.  
Wooden necks, indeed... how I tire of hero guitars pointing at me 
expecting some implied reverence.  Bah!  (Stewie Griffin)

*Ed Edwards*

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Re: [AN1x] An1x Live

2006-05-10 by Jeff

Hi Ed !
i'm a guitar player too ...
I don't understand why these metal guys want to play well under the 
natural range of their instrument : if a normal guitar is too high for 
your taste, play bass and stop bothering your comrades !! What you say 
about staying in tune is perfectly right , even with heavy gauge strings 
: physics don't mind about gimmicks !
The problem of our friend is , in fact , that all the band members want 
to play at very low frequencies , and everyone pushes his amp up trying 
to hear what he plays in the overall infra-sound rumble ! In a good mix 
, even in "tutti" and "fff" parts , you must hear all the instruments , 
that means everyone has to manage with the sound power and the 
frequencies he plays , including harmonics . That's why our ancestors 
have invented such a wide range of instruments , from triangle and 
piccolo to double bass and bass drums !
@+
J.F.

Ed Edwards a \ufffdcrit :

>Drop "C" (dropsy)?  Crap, that's 4 semi-tones below what guitars are 
>designed for.  Um, I suppose you get a lot of bass frequencies, but as a 
>guitarist I don't know how they stay in tune above the 12th fret without 
>specialized super-tuning.  Further, there are 8 semi tones below that C 
>that a bass guitar can reach but those dropsy guitarists can't.  As a 
>gimmick, I'm not convinced.
>
>Anyway, yes, I use the AN1x live.  All I can say about where you "fit in 
>the mix" is that it takes a bit of intuition as well as a bit of skill.  
>Each instrument should occupy its individual sound spectrum so there is 
>minimal overlap or stepping on the others tones.
>
>If you are compressing every channel then you will never be able to get 
>a balanced sound.  Compression is a crutch --  a band-aid, an artificial 
>squirt, MSG, chemical enhancement of organic tones... be very, very 
>careful if you use it.
>
>Meanwhile, remember that a keyboard often is pushed into an 
>accompaniment situation by vol-egotistical guitarists.  Be firm, be 
>omnipotent -- you play the KEYBOARDS!   No guitarist, bassist, singer, 
>drummer or sewerist can overwhelm you if you know how much power you 
>have in your arsenal. 
>
>Bwahhahahahahahha!  It belches - it screams - it slams - it pleads - it 
>cries - it sings - it grunts - it leads.  You have the POWER.  YOU have 
>the range.  Teach them to take their wooden phallus' and back down while 
>a man gives some art to the audience without cocking his trigger.  
>Wooden necks, indeed... how I tire of hero guitars pointing at me 
>expecting some implied reverence.  Bah!  (Stewie Griffin)
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>*Ed Edwards*
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Re: [AN1x] An1x Live

2006-05-10 by Daniel Mandic

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> Bwahhahahahahahha!  It belches - it screams - it slams - it pleads - it
> cries - it sings - it grunts - it leads.  You have the POWER.  YOU have
> the range.  Teach them to take their wooden phallus' and back down while
> a man gives some art to the audience without cocking his trigger.
> Wooden necks, indeed... how I tire of hero guitars pointing at me
> expecting some implied reverence.  Bah!  (Stewie Griffin)
>
> *Ed Edwards*


Hi Ed!



Now it's your turn.


Let's see what we can await next from you :-)



A guitarist can have about ~300 (possibly much more) Notes.... A AN1x player 
does have 61.

Where you take two and more notes a guitar can do it once.

Etzc. etc..


Every instrument, also electronical, do have their strenghts and/or 
disadvantages.


A guitar can follow a voice... A voice must follow the keyboard. And so on.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

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