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using AN1x to compose

2002-01-23 by dacomposa

For starters, I'm extrememly new at this MIDI/synth composing thing, 
so any basic ideas, suggestions, help, etc. would be greatly 
appreciated.  Here's my question:

I just recently bought an AN1x and I've got Cakewalk ProAudio 9 
installed on my computer.  I understand that there is no way to play 
multiple patches on the AN1x at the same time (which kinda sucks, 
doesn't it?) besides using the Split or Dual mode (and then you 
still only get two different sounds simultaneously).  I find this to 
be somewhat limiting.  Obviously I could go out and by and good rack 
module with lots of MIDI channels and just use the AN1x as my MIDI 
controller - but isn't there some way I can get around this limitation 
and simply use the AN1x by itself to create good songs in Cakewalk?  I 
mean, what do you all use it for and how?  

Please help.  Thanks!

Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-23 by Bruce Wahler

>I just recently bought an AN1x and I've got Cakewalk ProAudio 9 
>installed on my computer.  I understand that there is no way to play 
>multiple patches on the AN1x at the same time (which kinda sucks, 
>doesn't it?) besides using the Split or Dual mode (and then you 
>still only get two different sounds simultaneously).  I find this to 
>be somewhat limiting.  Obviously I could go out and by and good rack 
>module with lots of MIDI channels and just use the AN1x as my MIDI 
>controller - but isn't there some way I can get around this limitation 
>and simply use the AN1x by itself to create good songs in Cakewalk?  I 
>mean, what do you all use it for and how?  

It is possible to create whole songs in Cakewalk with just the AN1x, but it is a fairly long process.  The heart of this explanation is also applicable to any MIDI sequencer with audio recording capabilities.

1.)  Start by creating a click track, or enabling the metronome feature in Cakewalk.  You'll understand why in a moment.

2.)  Take the AN1x and program 1 (or 2) sounds that you like.  Record the sound(s) as a MIDI recording and adjust it if necessary.

3.)  When you are happy with the MIDI-recorded track, create a new track and set its Source to Left WAVE Audio, Right WAVE Audio, or Stereo WAVE Audio.  The actual name you see in Cakewalk will probably be different, and will include something that depends on the kind of audio card or motherboard audio you have (VIA, Creative Labs, ESS, etc.).  Arm the WAVE track for recording, and mute all other MIDI tracks, except the 1-2 sounds you want to use.

4.)  Press Record and DON'T TOUCH THE AN1x DURING THE PERFORMANCE.  The previously-recorded MIDI will cause the synth to play, and the audio output will be recorded on the WAVE channel.

5.)  Disarm and mute the WAVE channel, and repeat Steps 2-4 until you have all the parts recorded as audio files.

6.)  When all the parts are complete, un-mute all of the WAVE tracks (leave the MIDI tracks muted), and either record them to one master track, or use the Mixdown to Audio feature of Cakewalk to make a .WAV, .RA, or .MP3 recording of all the parts.  You can use volume changes to balance the parts before recording.

The reason for using a click or metronome during MIDI recording is that with most computers, the WAVE tracks will have a slight delay on playback, compared to the Cakewalk beat, due to processing during recording.  Sometimes this delay is annoying; other times, it can hardly be detected.  If the previous track(s) are used as background during further recording, however, and the delay is significant, the ensemble of tracks will not line up on the beat.  Whatever the delay is, though, it remains constant across all the WAVE tracks, so that when they are all played back at the same time, everything lines up.  (The entire performance is actually delayed a little, but the first beat of the song is somewhat arbitrary, so it doesn't really matter in the end.)

OTOH, this method can be time-consuming, and I suspect that if you use it a lot, you'll end up going out and buying a multitimbral module to help things out.

I hope this helps you.

Regards,

-BW

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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-23 by RayMaxer

Hi.
Well, most people use it (an-1x) with many other modules/synths/keyboards..
There are many people which never (or practically never) use ANY of their
synths in multi mode (even the ones like JV2080's and samplers). They just
use one part from AN-1x and may be switch a patch somewhere later the track
and use another one.
At the recent time I am using AN-1x this way too..
But 4 years ago it was my only synth so the only thing I had to do was to
multitrack it.. (just like guitar). Meaning , I'd compose a MIDI part and
then record it into Audio , muting Midi part afterwards...
Then I could take another patch, compose another part and so on..
Sometimes I am doing this nowadays too when there are really 2 or 3 Vital
sounds from AN-1x for the track.
But mostly I am using Virus/MicroQ/MicroWave XT and An-1x together to play my
arrangement in midi now - that surely is much easier and comfortable speaking
about editing of the parts themselves or tweaking the sounds and adjusting
them to each other.
Ray.

dacomposa wrote:

> For starters, I'm extrememly new at this MIDI/synth composing thing,
> so any basic ideas, suggestions, help, etc. would be greatly
> appreciated.  Here's my question:
>
> I just recently bought an AN1x and I've got Cakewalk ProAudio 9
> installed on my computer.  I understand that there is no way to play
> multiple patches on the AN1x at the same time (which kinda sucks,
> doesn't it?) besides using the Split or Dual mode (and then you
> still only get two different sounds simultaneously).  I find this to
> be somewhat limiting.  Obviously I could go out and by and good rack
> module with lots of MIDI channels and just use the AN1x as my MIDI
> controller - but isn't there some way I can get around this limitation
> and simply use the AN1x by itself to create good songs in Cakewalk?  I
> mean, what do you all use it for and how?
>
> Please help.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Bjorn Standal

As Bruce wrote, this is a time consuming way to use more than 1 or voices in a composition, but the only way to go since the beauty has a vast scar called monotimbrality which I find is the biggest flaw of the AN1x. However, layering audio in the way described by Bruce is possible, but It's almost non-practical since you can't change one single bit without re-recording the whole track. And you don't get a chance to listen to the whole mix until you've recorded all tracks, and at this point you can be certain you'd like to change effects-settings and many other things in all previous recorded tracks. But hey, if you've got the time, it's the only way. It's just such a damn shame that the AN1X is monotimbral since I (and most you guys, I believe) love its sound :-( Pity...


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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Bruce Wahler

Bjorn,

>It's just such a damn shame that the AN1X is monotimbral since I (and most you guys, I believe) love its sound :-( Pity...

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I never expected the AN1x to be multitimbral.  The Minimoog was never multitimbral, and is not so in its new incarnation.  The Prophet-5 wasn't multitimbral either, or the ARP Odyssey , the VCS-3, the '303, or any of a number of other synths that I could name.  For that matter, neither is a Steinway piano, a Hammond organ, a Mellotron, a Selmer tenor sax, or a Fender Stratocaster.

I bought the AN1x to do one thing:  be a great analog synth clone, with warm, fat sounds.  I'm not disappointed in that respect.  I don't tend to use jack-of-all-trades keyboards a lot, because they tend toward master-of-none, too.

Just my $.02 (US) ...

Regards,

-BW

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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Bastiaan van de Werk

Bi-timbral. Remember it's bitimbral...akward yes, but still bitimbral

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  As Bruce wrote, this is a time consuming way to use more than 1 or voices in a composition, but the only way to go since the beauty has a vast scar called monotimbrality which I find is the biggest flaw of the AN1x. However, layering audio in the way described by Bruce is possible, but It's almost non-practical since you can't change one single bit without re-recording the whole track. And you don't get a chance to listen to the whole mix until you've recorded all tracks, and at this point you can be certain you'd like to change effects-settings and many other things in all previous recorded tracks. But hey, if you've got the time, it's the only way. It's just such a damn shame that the AN1X is monotimbral since I (and most you guys, I believe) love its sound :-( Pity...


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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Bjorn Standal

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  Bruce,

  I bought the AN1x to do one thing:  be a great analog synth clone, with warm, fat sounds.  I'm not disappointed in that respect.  I don't tend to use jack-of-all-trades keyboards a lot, because they tend toward master-of-none, too.

  Yes. Guess it varies on what we use it for. I mostly make complete trance/techno tracks and am dependent on multiple layers of "analogue" sound, not just single timbres like a live situation would benefit from. I've got some "jack-of-all-trades" keyboards as you mentioned, and quite right, none of them really does anything perfectly. This is why I yearn for a Supernova II or Virus to complement the An1X and my need for multi :-)

  Regards,
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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Elson Trinidad

At 11:54 AM 1/24/02 -0500, Bruce Wahler wrote:
>Bjorn,
>
> >It's just such a damn shame that the AN1X is monotimbral since I (and 
> most you guys, I believe) love its sound :-( Pity...
>
>Maybe I'm showing my age, but I never expected the AN1x to be 
>multitimbral.  The Minimoog was never multitimbral, and is not so in its 
>new incarnation.  The Prophet-5 wasn't multitimbral either, or the ARP 
>Odyssey , the VCS-3, the '303, or any of a number of other synths that I 
>could name.

If you're looking for a VA synth that's not too expensive and is 
multitimbral, check out the Roland SH-32 (4 part multitimbral, 32-voice 
polyphonic). I just fiddled around with one in the NAMM show, and it seems 
kinda cool. It also has a more programmable arpeggiator than the AN1x has. 
No, I don't plan to replace my AN1x, but rather supplement it with the Roland.

Elson

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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Bastiaan van de Werk

Are you giong to buy the SH? It looks nice but it's specs seem rather limited and so does its synth engine. 

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  At 11:54 AM 1/24/02 -0500, Bruce Wahler wrote:
  >Bjorn,
  >
  > >It's just such a damn shame that the AN1X is monotimbral since I (and 
  > most you guys, I believe) love its sound :-( Pity...
  >
  >Maybe I'm showing my age, but I never expected the AN1x to be 
  >multitimbral.  The Minimoog was never multitimbral, and is not so in its 
  >new incarnation.  The Prophet-5 wasn't multitimbral either, or the ARP 
  >Odyssey , the VCS-3, the '303, or any of a number of other synths that I 
  >could name.

  If you're looking for a VA synth that's not too expensive and is 
  multitimbral, check out the Roland SH-32 (4 part multitimbral, 32-voice 
  polyphonic). I just fiddled around with one in the NAMM show, and it seems 
  kinda cool. It also has a more programmable arpeggiator than the AN1x has. 
  No, I don't plan to replace my AN1x, but rather supplement it with the Roland.

  Elson

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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Elson Trinidad

At 08:39 PM 1/24/02 +0100, Bastiaan van de Werk wrote:
>Are you giong to buy the SH? It looks nice but it's specs seem rather 
>limited and so does its synth engine.
>
>Bastiaan van de Werk

Like I said I'm planning to use it to SUPPLEMENT my AN1x, not replace it :)
The SH-32 would be used for stuff like analog chirps, background strings, 
some bass sounds, etc. I think it's good enough for those kinds of sounds. 
Right now I'm using a Korg Electribe EA-1 for those kinds of things. But 
it's only 2-part multitimbral and each part is monophonic and there's no 
envelope or LFO for each sound.

The AN1x would be used for main pads or leads or more prominent bass. So if 
you heard a recording of mine, the analog sound you would hear the most 
would be the AN1x, the ones in the background would be the SH-32. Right now 
I'm seeing if a friend from Japan can help me buy one from there :)

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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by RayMaxer

I am sorry ... (Bjorn and Bruce)
But WHY can't u listen all the time to the tracks you already recorded and ALWAYS hear your current mix.
There should be no problem with some lags or time shift of the tracks from the beat and so on if you are using a ~normal audio system.
How do you think people do midi AND audio recording together ? (hard-disk recording...)

Ray.

Bjorn Standal wrote:

> As Bruce wrote, this is a time consuming way to use more than 1 or voices in a composition, but the only way to go since the beauty has a vast scar called monotimbrality which I find is the biggest flaw of the AN1x. However, layering audio in the way described by Bruce is possible, but It's almost non-practical since you can't change one single bit without re-recording the whole track. And you don't get a chance to listen to the whole mix until you've recorded all tracks, and at this point you can be certain you'd like to change effects-settings and many other things in all previous recorded tracks. But hey, if you've got the time, it's the only way. It's just such a damn shame that the AN1X is monotimbral since I (and most you guys, I believe) love its sound :-( Pity...
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Re: [AN1x-list] using AN1x to compose

2002-01-24 by Bruce Wahler

Ray,

Well, I guess it depends on the sound card in your system, the OS involved, and any other software that might be running on the computer.  Mine seems to add 10-20mSec delay to the recording, and it also seems to drop out occasionally when both playing and recording audio at the same time.  (Playing MIDI and recording audio seems to work OK, not counting the delay.)  One obvious answer would be to get a professional-quality sound card, but I'm assuming that if the person who asked the question was frowning on buying a second, multitimbral synth, then he would also frown on buying a new sound card.  Thus, I suggested the safest, most straightforward way to record.

A second option would be to dedicate a computer 100% to music, stripping it of any extraneous functions.  My budget doesn't allow me to do so.

At 10:57 P 1/24/2002 +0300, you wrote:
>I am sorry ... (Bjorn and Bruce)
>But WHY can't u listen all the time to the tracks you already recorded and ALWAYS hear your current mix.
>There should be no problem with some lags or time shift of the tracks from the beat and so on if you are using a ~normal audio system.
>How do you think people do midi AND audio recording together ? (hard-disk recording...)

Regards,

-BW

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