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There is no bypass for the EQ. I set all my patches so the EQ is 
either neutral or a bit of a roll off on the treble frequency. I 
found a lot of the factory patches really crank up the EQ, some 
hyping the treble frequencies by as much as 10 db. To my ear, the 
AN1X sounds best with no effects or a little delay, played through a 
tube amp. Even when I record direct, I still like the sound dry. It 
sits in the mix better.

Rainbow Jimmy
http://www.spaceanimals.com
http://www.mp3.com/spaceanimals

Hi All,

I agree with Jimmy.  Many of the factory (and some non-factory) patches pump the EQ by 6-10dB, which almost always unnecessary, IMHO.  I think the goal was to give the sounds some punch and "sizzle," but if you use a tube preamp or amp -- I pump my AN1x through an ART Dual MP or a Speakeasy Vintage Preamp -- or a sound processor like the Sonic Maximizer, it can easily get to be too much.  I recommend starting with a very dry sound; if it's lacking something, THEN add EQ, reverb, delay, etc.  You may be surprised at how good the "vanilla" patch sounds.

Regards,

-BW

--
Bruce Wahler
Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
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bruce@...

At 01:34 PM 3/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>There is no bypass for the EQ. I set all my patches so the EQ is 
>either neutral or a bit of a roll off on the treble frequency. I 
>found a lot of the factory patches really crank up the EQ, some 
>hyping the treble frequencies by as much as 10 db. To my ear, the 
>AN1X sounds best with no effects or a little delay, played through a 
>tube amp. Even when I record direct, I still like the sound dry. It 
>sits in the mix better.
>
>Rainbow Jimmy
><http://www.spaceanimals.com>http://www.spaceanimals.com
>http://www.mp3.com/spaceanimals

I need to disagree just a little. I am sure that some of you use filters for
your patches - isn't that just eq by another name? Keeping patches "dry" is
just making it a different patch from the one that was eq'd.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Wahler [mailto:bruce@...] 
Sent: 03 March 2003 07:44
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x] re: was new owner, now EQ

 

Hi All,

I agree with Jimmy.  Many of the factory (and some non-factory) patches pump
the EQ by 6-10dB, which almost always unnecessary, IMHO.  I think the goal
was to give the sounds some punch and "sizzle," but if you use a tube preamp
or amp -- I pump my AN1x through an ART Dual MP or a Speakeasy Vintage
Preamp -- or a sound processor like the Sonic Maximizer, it can easily get
to be too much.  I recommend starting with a very dry sound; if it's lacking
something, THEN add EQ, reverb, delay, etc.  You may be surprised at how
good the "vanilla" patch sounds.

Regards,

-BW

--
Bruce Wahler
Ashby SolutionsT   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

At 01:34 PM 3/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>There is no bypass for the EQ. I set all my patches so the EQ is 
>either neutral or a bit of a roll off on the treble frequency. I 
>found a lot of the factory patches really crank up the EQ, some 
>hyping the treble frequencies by as much as 10 db. To my ear, the 
>AN1X sounds best with no effects or a little delay, played through a 
>tube amp. Even when I record direct, I still like the sound dry. It 
>sits in the mix better.
>
>Rainbow Jimmy
><http://www.spaceanimals.com>http://www.spaceanimals.com
>http://www.mp3.com/spaceanimals







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Hi Bob,

>I need to disagree just a little. I am sure that some of you use filters for
>your patches - isn't that just eq by another name? Keeping patches "dry" is
>just making it a different patch from the one that was eq'd.

You're technically correct:  A filter is a form of EQ.  However, in the synth world a filter is rarely a static entity; instead, it changes over the course of the notes being played.  EQ, on the other hand, is a broad brush that affects the entire sound.

There's nothing really wrong with EQ per se.  It's just that heavy amounts of EQ can change the way a certain sound sits in the mix.  If you look at the "classic" synths -- the Minimoog, the ARP Odyssey, the Putney VCS-3, the Prophet Five, the Roland Jupiter 8, etc. -- none of them had bass and treble controls.  If EQ was needed, it was provided after the fact -- but strangely enough, EQ wasn't needed all that often!  The raw sound of a sawtooth or pulse wave has a "thickness" that can get lost when heavily EQ'ed.

I look at EQ as similar to heavy doses of volume.  On one level, increasing the amount of volume (or treble, etc.) can pull an instrument out of the shadows.  However, it may lead to needing to do the same thing to other tracks, and once you  "make everything louder than everything else," to paraphrase an unknown member of Deep Purple -- Ritchie Blackmore, perhaps? -- you have again lost the distinctness of individual instruments, only this time the bar has been raised and the entire timbre of the sound is changed.  The same effect happens when you process every track through a Sonic Maximizer or an Aural Exciter:  The sonic "advantage" added by processing a track gets lost when every track is processed the same way.

Effects, EQ, and aural processing all have their place in the musical toolbox, but there is a danger of each of these tools becoming a crutch to use when out of ideas.  I'm a firm believer in the less-is-more approach.  Start with a raw sound, and if it doesn't suit your purpose, THEN add EQ and effects to change the sound.  You might be surprised at how seldom the extra processing is really needed.

Regards,

-BW

--
Bruce Wahler
Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...