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tx81z help wanted

2005-09-06 by lombardpeter

Hi 
Wondering if any one can help and advise me on my TX81z.
I am using Tx81z a brillent unit and would like to save all my sounds.
I have not worked on them before so Iam wondering if I can save and 
load my sounds direct to my computer and also I note that it is an 
8pin din plug at the back my unit.
To make up this cable can anybody advise me on the wiring connection 
from 8pin to the 2 leads
Any help would be grateful
Regards 
Lombardpeter
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Re: [atari-midi-archives] tx81z help wanted

2005-09-06 by Mark Wynkoop

The 8 pin plug is an audio adaptor to analog tape
recorders.  Do not use this with your ST.  

The midi cables on the TX81Z are identical to your ST,
and the unit should be interfaced with standard 5 pin
din midi cables.  You can ignore the 8 pin interface
entirely.

If you are using an ST emmulator for PC, you will need
a MIDI interface for your PC, such as the UNO usb
interface:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00007JRBM/qid=1126046424/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-1820309-4364955?v=glance&s=pc&n=507846

--Mark

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Re: tx81z help wanted

2005-09-07 by gregor_malecha

Hi Peter, 

after Mark has now explained the hardware side I want to add:

If you're using PC & STEEM your PC's soundcard might have already a 
MIDI interface in the joystick port. With the appropriate 
cable/adapter you can go MIDI there. 

It would be easier for us to answer you if we knew what kind of 
computer & software you're using.

Concerning the software side, assuming you do it the Atari (or STEEM) 
way, the software I could recommend is GenPatch ST. It has already 
configurations set up for the TX81Z. 

You can download it from Tim's website via
http://tamw.atari-users.net/codehead.htm

:^) Greg

Re: tx81z help wanted

2005-09-08 by lombardpeter

Mark :
Thanks for your reply .
Are you saying that I can  connect a 5 din cable direct from the back 
of my Tx81z to my computer. I have a 5din lead with 2 mono plugs at 
the other end.
1. Will this lead do?
2. Where will i plug the 5din lead at the back of my tx81?(in,out or 
through)
3. If I get a UNO usb will this solve my problems?

I am using a lap top with windows 98 and I also have a coputer at 
home with windows 2000xp

I am a little bit green when it comes to older computer language.
I started with windows 95.
Any other drawings or information very much welcome.
PS. I have my tx81z only in the past twelve months a brillent unit.
I am in the process of getting another one so this is why I am so 
interested in puting the same sounds on to the second one.
 
Regards
lombardpeter


--- In atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wynkoop 
<markwynkoop@y...> wrote:
> The 8 pin plug is an audio adaptor to analog tape
> recorders.  Do not use this with your ST.  
> 
> The midi cables on the TX81Z are identical to your ST,
> and the unit should be interfaced with standard 5 pin
> din midi cables.  You can ignore the 8 pin interface
> entirely.
> 
> If you are using an ST emmulator for PC, you will need
> a MIDI interface for your PC, such as the UNO usb
> interface:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/B00007JRBM/qid=1126046424/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-1820309-4364955?
v=glance&s=pc&n=507846
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> --Mark
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Re: tx81z help wanted

2005-09-08 by lombardpeter

-
Greg:
Thanks for your help.
Windows 98 on my laptop.
windows2000xp on my home computer.

Regards
lombardpeter


-- In atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com, "gregor_malecha" 
<gregor.malecha@t...> wrote:
> Hi Peter, 
> 
> after Mark has now explained the hardware side I want to add:
> 
> If you're using PC & STEEM your PC's soundcard might have already a 
> MIDI interface in the joystick port. With the appropriate 
> cable/adapter you can go MIDI there. 
> 
> It would be easier for us to answer you if we knew what kind of 
> computer & software you're using.
> 
> Concerning the software side, assuming you do it the Atari (or 
STEEM) 
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> way, the software I could recommend is GenPatch ST. It has already 
> configurations set up for the TX81Z. 
> 
> You can download it from Tim's website via
> http://tamw.atari-users.net/codehead.htm
> 
> :^) Greg

Re: [atari-midi-archives] Re: tx81z help wanted

2005-09-08 by Mark Wynkoop

Aha, we are making the classic mistake of MIDI versus
Audio.  You actually need 2 different types
connections to use a midi module like the TX81Z. 
Allow me to answer your questions in more-or-less
reverse order:  

There are PC-based midi sysex dump utilities, but
Atari's OS is a good choice for running TX81Z
software, as the best TX81Z patch editors and
librarians were made for Atari TOS, and many banks of
sounds are available only in Atari formats.  Plus you
can use DX droid and MIDImouse and the vasious organic
composers.  The Atari ST has TONS more to offer than
just music, but this will be a great way to learn the
Atari GEM operating system (TOS).  

I'm sure you know some of this, but here is the
detailed info for others that need the whole thing:

You need TWO different types connections to use a midi
module: 

Connection 1:  MIDI
You will need a 5 pin Din MIDI signal to make any
noise at all with the TX81Z.   MIDI sends and receives
the note on/off commands, but produces NO AUDIO SIGNAL
whatsoever. A midi keyboard attached to the TX is one
example of a midi connection (it "sends the note
events" the TX plays).  Another example is connecting
the MIDI IN of the Atari ST to the MIDI OUT of the
TX81Z, and vice versa (requires 2 midi cables).  If
you are not using an Atari ST with it's built-in midi
capabilities, you will need to obtain one of the
computer-to-midi interface cables which were discussed
in previous messages.

Connection 2: Audio
To listen to the sounds the TX81Z produces as a result
of midi, you need to make a separate connection using
regular audio cables to some sort of amplifier/speaker
setup (examples are a guitar amp, a home stereo, or
into a PC soundcard).  
On the TX81Z, Audio I and II are the left and right
stereo outputs.  You would only use outputs III and IV
in a multi-timbral recording studio setup (which you
may wish to do eventually).  
All of these audio outputs are 1/4 inch mono plugs. 
You will need to convert them to RCA jacks to listen
to the TX81Z through an input on your stereo (Radio
shack part number 42-2373-you'll need two of these
cables).  To connect the TX81Z to the audio input of a
PC soundcard, you'll need to convert the two 1/4 inch
mono plugs to a single 1/8 inch stereo (Radio shack
part numbers 42-2551 and 274-320 used together).

You may wish to put an FX box such as reverb or chorus
between the TX81Z and your computer or stereo.  Audio
DSP is one of the main differences between TX81Z-era
synths and contemporary ones.  A small $70 box like
the Alesis Nanoverb or the ART FX1 will make your
synth sound like a million bucks.  Alternately, a PC
based sequencer like Cubase or Sonar will allow you to
run VST reverb/chorus effects inside the computer.

Do not use your 5 pin din cable with mono plugs.  It
was some kind of demodulator connection, probably for
a tape transfer.  Even if you had the correct tape
interface for the TX81z, you will never use it in the
modern era.  Trust me, I have spooled hundreds of
hours of data from cassette tapes.  Older Atari
computers used this data scheme. Good riddance to that
technology.  Your MIDI connection allows you to do the
same bulk dumps in seconds with no modulation or
crummy cassette defects in between.

The uno USB connection (or any USB device) is easier
to install than a gameport midi yolk (you won't have a
gamport on a laptop anyway).  It will configure itself
automatically with it's own software driver disc.  A
Midi yolk is slightly cheaper, but can be tricky to
configure.  Has anyone on the list used STeam with a
USB midi interface?  Does it work okay?

Hope this covers all your questions.  


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Re: tx81z help wanted

2005-09-09 by gregor_malecha

Hi Peter, 

for sure, because you're putting your questions in the Atari group, 
you're getting many Atari related answers. (And that's not so bad.)

But if for the time being your main interest is simply to dump & 
exchange TX81Z data, then some Windows applications can do this 
simple task without requiring you to going into the Atari world. 

For the PC there is a small application called MIDI-OX with which you 
can receive, store, send MIDI data & SysEx dumps. That's a great 
little tool for this and many other tasks. 
http://www.midiox.com/

Later, once your MIDI setup gets more complex you might need 
"MIDI Yoke" to do routings for the MIDI data. (Also if you're going 
to use the Atari emulator STEEM.) You'll find that on the same 
website. 

But first you'll need to get your hardware connection together. 

Little story by the way:
When I did the first MIDI setup for my PC it was a lot of work and 
took me a long time. Also because I tried to just solder my MIDI 
interface cable for the game port of my soundcard. I got all the 
pinout infos from the www and soldered it perfectly together and 
nothing worked. Until I gave up and finally bought the cable. Then I 
found out what was nowhere mentioned: in this adapter cable there 
were optocouplers built in. Without these - no way. That's the tough 
way of learning things. 

:^) Greg



--- In atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com, "lombardpeter" 
<lombardpeter@e...> wrote:
> -
> Greg:
> Thanks for your help.
> Windows 98 on my laptop.
> windows2000xp on my home computer.
> 
> Regards
> lombardpeter
> 
> 
> -- In atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com, "gregor_malecha" 
> <gregor.malecha@t...> wrote:
> > Hi Peter, 
> > 
> > after Mark has now explained the hardware side I want to add:
> > 
> > If you're using PC & STEEM your PC's soundcard might have already 
a 
> > MIDI interface in the joystick port. With the appropriate 
> > cable/adapter you can go MIDI there. 
> > 
> > It would be easier for us to answer you if we knew what kind of 
> > computer & software you're using.
> > 
> > Concerning the software side, assuming you do it the Atari (or 
> STEEM) 
> > way, the software I could recommend is GenPatch ST. It has 
already 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > configurations set up for the TX81Z. 
> > 
> > You can download it from Tim's website via
> > http://tamw.atari-users.net/codehead.htm
> > 
> > :^) Greg

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