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ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Steve Hodge

The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10 K
or less".   Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
this 10 K?

I have a simple voltage divider that I'm reading the voltage from and I'd
like to minimize current consumption so I'm wondering if this can be
increased to, say 15 K or 20 K (or more?), without much detectable effect.

Thanks, Steve
 

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Re: ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by ecros_technology

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hodge" <steve@...> wrote:

> ... the "ADC is optimized for analog
> signals with an output impedance of
> approximately 10 K or less" ... I'm
> wondering if this can be increased to,
> say 15 K or 20 K (or more?), without
> much detectable effect.

You'll be fine.  Any specification with both "approximately" and "less" in it is not to be taken too seriously.  Someone's just discouraging you from having a source impedance an order of magnitude or more above this.  What is probably going on is that the sample / hold capacitor is charged fairly directly from the input, so that with a high source impedance it may not accurately capture the input value by the time the sample period ends.  Maybe you can run the ADC at a speed below maximum, in which case I wouldn't worry at all.

Graham.

Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by David VanHorn

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us> wrote:
> The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
> optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10 K
> or less".   Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
> this 10 K?

Depends on how much precision you want to loose, and there are no hard answers.
A buffer amp will let you have >1Gohm, and there are some flea-powered
opamps out there.

Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Dennis Clark

You can exceed it all you want, but you'll get inaccurate results.  The 
problem is with an RC cap charging time constant.  Higher impedances 
will  slow that charge and you'll get "lower" numbers than you should.  
I like to feed the ADC with an OpAmp, a very low impedance there.

DLC

On 2/5/10 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge wrote:
> The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
> optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10 K
> or less".   Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
> this 10 K?
>
> I have a simple voltage divider that I'm reading the voltage from and I'd
> like to minimize current consumption so I'm wondering if this can be
> increased to, say 15 K or 20 K (or more?), without much detectable effect.
>
> Thanks, Steve
>
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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Steve Hodge

I didn't give enough information.   The particular application does not need
the full 10 bits of resolution.   9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok.   I'm
trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
in an opamp.   In addition, the application will allow things to be
calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software.  Anyone have a gut
feeling given all that?  That's all I'm looking for.   Steve
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us
<mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> > wrote:
> The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
> optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10
K
> or less".   Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
> this 10 K?

Depends on how much precision you want to loose, and there are no hard
answers.
A buffer amp will let you have >1Gohm, and there are some flea-powered
opamps out there.





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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by tim gilbert

Steve,
How fast is the input signal varying and how often are you sampling?  If it's a slow signal you'll probably get away with it.

Tim Gilbert
JEM Innovation Inc.
303-926-9053 (office)
303-437-4342 (cell)
720-890-8582 (fax)
www.jeminnovation.com
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  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
  Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance


    
  I didn't give enough information. The particular application does not need
  the full 10 bits of resolution. 9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok. I'm
  trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
  in an opamp. In addition, the application will allow things to be
  calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software. Anyone have a gut
  feeling given all that? That's all I'm looking for. Steve

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  Of David VanHorn
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:22 PM
  To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us
  <mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> > wrote:
  > The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
  > optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10
  K
  > or less". Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
  > this 10 K?

  Depends on how much precision you want to loose, and there are no hard
  answers.
  A buffer amp will let you have >1Gohm, and there are some flea-powered
  opamps out there.

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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Steve Hodge

Oops, forgot something else.  It's DC for all intents and purposes.  
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Steve,
How fast is the input signal varying and how often are you sampling? If it's
a slow signal you'll probably get away with it.

Tim Gilbert
JEM Innovation Inc.
303-926-9053 (office)
303-437-4342 (cell)
720-890-8582 (fax)
www.jeminnovation.com
www.pdksolutions.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Hodge 
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

I didn't give enough information. The particular application does not need
the full 10 bits of resolution. 9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok. I'm
trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
in an opamp. In addition, the application will allow things to be
calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software. Anyone have a gut
feeling given all that? That's all I'm looking for. Steve

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Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us
<mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> 
<mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> > wrote:
> The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
> optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10
K
> or less". Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
> this 10 K?

Depends on how much precision you want to loose, and there are no hard
answers.
A buffer amp will let you have >1Gohm, and there are some flea-powered
opamps out there.

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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Steve Hodge

.and sampling once a second is overkill.
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Steve,
How fast is the input signal varying and how often are you sampling? If it's
a slow signal you'll probably get away with it.

Tim Gilbert
JEM Innovation Inc.
303-926-9053 (office)
303-437-4342 (cell)
720-890-8582 (fax)
www.jeminnovation.com
www.pdksolutions.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Hodge 
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

I didn't give enough information. The particular application does not need
the full 10 bits of resolution. 9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok. I'm
trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
in an opamp. In addition, the application will allow things to be
calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software. Anyone have a gut
feeling given all that? That's all I'm looking for. Steve

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Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us
<mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> 
<mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> > wrote:
> The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
> optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10
K
> or less". Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
> this 10 K?

Depends on how much precision you want to loose, and there are no hard
answers.
A buffer amp will let you have >1Gohm, and there are some flea-powered
opamps out there.

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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Jeff Blaine AC0C

What Tim is talking about is the equivalent of an RC time constant.  The input of the ADC is a capacitor based sample/hold type.  Which means, as Tim points out, the longer the signal is at that pin, at a fixed level, the less current will be required for the sample cap to charge up.  The 10K equivalent number in the datasheet allows you to run the ADC at more or less full speed. 

I believe the RC time should be linear.  So if the samples are running at 1/10 max (around 25Khz?) then a 100khz equivilant input would be ok.  And so on.  

Regards/Jeff
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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance


  
Steve,
How fast is the input signal varying and how often are you sampling? If it's a slow signal you'll probably get away with it.

Tim Gilbert
JEM Innovation Inc.
303-926-9053 (office)
303-437-4342 (cell)
720-890-8582 (fax)
www.jeminnovation.com
www.pdksolutions.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Hodge 
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

I didn't give enough information. The particular application does not need
the full 10 bits of resolution. 9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok. I'm
trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
in an opamp. In addition, the application will allow things to be
calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software. Anyone have a gut
feeling given all that? That's all I'm looking for. Steve

From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of David VanHorn
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:22 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us
<mailto:steve%40terrafirma.us> > wrote:
> The Atmel data sheets, at least the ones I'm dealing with, say the "ADC is
> optimized for analog signals with an output impedance of approximately 10
K
> or less". Does anyone have any experience about how much you can exceed
> this 10 K?

Depends on how much precision you want to loose, and there are no hard
answers.
A buffer amp will let you have >1Gohm, and there are some flea-powered
opamps out there.

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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Steve Hodge

Ah, got it.  So it sounds like I'm just fine merely doubling it to 20 Kohms
and only sampling once a second.   I assume you intended to say "100k
equivalent input"?   Steve
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Of Jeff Blaine AC0C
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:48 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

 

  

What Tim is talking about is the equivalent of an RC time constant. The
input of the ADC is a capacitor based sample/hold type. Which means, as Tim
points out, the longer the signal is at that pin, at a fixed level, the less
current will be required for the sample cap to charge up. The 10K equivalent
number in the datasheet allows you to run the ADC at more or less full
speed. 

I believe the RC time should be linear. So if the samples are running at
1/10 max (around 25Khz?) then a 100khz equivilant input would be ok. And so
on. 

Regards/Jeff

From: tim gilbert 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:41 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

Steve,
How fast is the input signal varying and how often are you sampling? If it's
a slow signal you'll probably get away with it.

Tim Gilbert
JEM Innovation Inc.
303-926-9053 (office)
303-437-4342 (cell)
720-890-8582 (fax)
www.jeminnovation.com
www.pdksolutions.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Hodge 
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

I didn't give enough information. The particular application does not need
the full 10 bits of resolution. 9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok. I'm
trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
in an opamp. In addition, the application will allow things to be
calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software. Anyone have a gut
feeling given all that? That's all I'm looking for. Steve

From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>
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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Jeff Blaine AC0C

Steve,

Yes, sorry for the error.  100k.  There will be some finite upper range to that due to leakage but it's got to me miniscule.  But that's the general idea.  And if you are talking about sampling 1x/sec then the 20K mentioned in the other message is not a problem at all.  Good luck.

Regards/Jeff
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From: Steve Hodge 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:53 PM
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Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance


  
Ah, got it. So it sounds like I'm just fine merely doubling it to 20 Kohms
and only sampling once a second. I assume you intended to say "100k
equivalent input"? Steve

From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff Blaine AC0C
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:48 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

What Tim is talking about is the equivalent of an RC time constant. The
input of the ADC is a capacitor based sample/hold type. Which means, as Tim
points out, the longer the signal is at that pin, at a fixed level, the less
current will be required for the sample cap to charge up. The 10K equivalent
number in the datasheet allows you to run the ADC at more or less full
speed. 

I believe the RC time should be linear. So if the samples are running at
1/10 max (around 25Khz?) then a 100khz equivilant input would be ok. And so
on. 

Regards/Jeff

From: tim gilbert 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:41 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

Steve,
How fast is the input signal varying and how often are you sampling? If it's
a slow signal you'll probably get away with it.

Tim Gilbert
JEM Innovation Inc.
303-926-9053 (office)
303-437-4342 (cell)
720-890-8582 (fax)
www.jeminnovation.com
www.pdksolutions.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Hodge 
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

I didn't give enough information. The particular application does not need
the full 10 bits of resolution. 9 bits or even 8 bits would be ok. I'm
trying to keep the board to minimal size so I'd prefer not to have to cram
in an opamp. In addition, the application will allow things to be
calibrated, so a correction could be applied in software. Anyone have a gut
feeling given all that? That's all I'm looking for. Steve

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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-05 by Steve Hodge

Thanks a lot for everyone's help.  Sounds like I'm good to go.   Steve
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Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

 

 Steve,

Yes, sorry for the error. 100k. There will be some finite upper range to
that due to leakage but it's got to me miniscule. But that's the general
idea. And if you are talking about sampling 1x/sec then the 20K mentioned in
the other message is not a problem at all. Good luck.

Regards/Jeff

From: Steve Hodge 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:53 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

Ah, got it. So it sounds like I'm just fine merely doubling it to 20 Kohms
and only sampling once a second. I assume you intended to say "100k
equivalent input"? Steve






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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-06 by Roland Jollivet

Even if you have a source of 100K, put a small cap, 1uF, at the input to the
ADC. It now becomes very low impedance to the ADC.  (even 100n will be fine)

Time constant is 0.1s, so that's not aproblem. The biggest loss is the
charge/discharge of the cap if the signal varies a lot.

Roland



On 6 February 2010 00:32, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks a lot for everyone's help. Sounds like I'm good to go. Steve
>
>
> From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Jeff Blaine AC0C
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:12 PM
>
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
>
> Steve,
>
> Yes, sorry for the error. 100k. There will be some finite upper range to
> that due to leakage but it's got to me miniscule. But that's the general
> idea. And if you are talking about sampling 1x/sec then the 20K mentioned
> in
> the other message is not a problem at all. Good luck.
>
> Regards/Jeff
>
> From: Steve Hodge
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:53 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
>
> Ah, got it. So it sounds like I'm just fine merely doubling it to 20 Kohms
> and only sampling once a second. I assume you intended to say "100k
> equivalent input"? Steve
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-06 by Steve Hodge

Thanks.  I assume put it in series between the input voltage and the uC ADC
port pin?   Steve

| -----Original Message-----
| From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On
| Behalf Of Roland Jollivet
| Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 1:07 AM
| To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
| Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
| 
| Even if you have a source of 100K, put a small cap, 1uF, at the input
| to the
| ADC. It now becomes very low impedance to the ADC.  (even 100n will be
| fine)
| 
| Time constant is 0.1s, so that's not aproblem. The biggest loss is the
| charge/discharge of the cap if the signal varies a lot.
| 
| Roland
| 
| 
| 
| On 6 February 2010 00:32, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us> wrote:
| 
| >
| >
| > Thanks a lot for everyone's help. Sounds like I'm good to go. Steve
| >
| >
| > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
| > AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
| > Of Jeff Blaine AC0C
| > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:12 PM
| >
| > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>
| > Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
| >
| > Steve,
| >
| > Yes, sorry for the error. 100k. There will be some finite upper range
| to
| > that due to leakage but it's got to me miniscule. But that's the
| general
| > idea. And if you are talking about sampling 1x/sec then the 20K
| mentioned
| > in
| > the other message is not a problem at all. Good luck.
| >
| > Regards/Jeff
| >
| > From: Steve Hodge
| > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:53 PM
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| > Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
| >
| > Ah, got it. So it sounds like I'm just fine merely doubling it to 20
| Kohms
| > and only sampling once a second. I assume you intended to say "100k
| > equivalent input"? Steve
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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance

2010-02-06 by Roland Jollivet

sample ----^^^^^-------- A/D uP pin
                           |
                          =
                           |
_____________________ Gnd

So it's actually a low pass filter. Which perforce, limits the response, but
you said your sampling time is > 1s, so it will be fine.

Just be aware that some cap technologies leak more than others, but it
should not be an issue.

Regards
Roland



On 6 February 2010 17:10, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks. I assume put it in series between the input voltage and the uC ADC
> port pin? Steve
>
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> | Behalf Of Roland Jollivet
> | Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 1:07 AM
> | To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>
> | Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
> |
> | Even if you have a source of 100K, put a small cap, 1uF, at the input
> | to the
> | ADC. It now becomes very low impedance to the ADC. (even 100n will be
> | fine)
> |
> | Time constant is 0.1s, so that's not aproblem. The biggest loss is the
> | charge/discharge of the cap if the signal varies a lot.
> |
> | Roland
> |
> |
> |
> | On 6 February 2010 00:32, Steve Hodge <steve@terrafirma.us<steve%40terrafirma.us>>
> wrote:
> |
> | >
> | >
> | > Thanks a lot for everyone's help. Sounds like I'm good to go. Steve
> | >
> | >
> | > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%
> 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> | > AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%
> 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
>
> | > Of Jeff Blaine AC0C
> | > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:12 PM
> | >
> | > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> | > Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
> | >
> | > Steve,
> | >
> | > Yes, sorry for the error. 100k. There will be some finite upper range
> | to
> | > that due to leakage but it's got to me miniscule. But that's the
> | general
> | > idea. And if you are talking about sampling 1x/sec then the 20K
> | mentioned
> | > in
> | > the other message is not a problem at all. Good luck.
> | >
> | > Regards/Jeff
> | >
> | > From: Steve Hodge
> | > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:53 PM
> | > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> | > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> | > Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC source impedance
> | >
> | > Ah, got it. So it sounds like I'm just fine merely doubling it to 20
> | Kohms
> | > and only sampling once a second. I assume you intended to say "100k
> | > equivalent input"? Steve
> | >
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