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2011-07-03 by darrylmunns

Gidday,
 I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became aware of the development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the "EasyAVR6" and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a home hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying to implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it comes to projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home automation, and would love to build a laser projector. 
My questions for the group are.
Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
Thanks in advance Darryl

Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-03 by Cat

Why not just buy an EVK1104?
Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!

Cat
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From: darrylmunns 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:59 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Gidday,
I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became aware of the development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the "EasyAVR6" and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a home hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying to implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it comes to projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home automation, and would love to build a laser projector. 
My questions for the group are.
Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
Thanks in advance Darryl 




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Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-03 by Jeff Blaine

I have the EasyAVR6.  Works great.  Very good quality build as well.  A friend of mine has the same board – same opinion.

The companion compilers are quite good as well for the hobbyist especially because a lot of generic hardware is supported by the compiler functions.  After having not dealt with a uP in 25 years, I found this a very easy way to ease back into my projects.   I mounted the easyavr6 and a bit more stuff on a single larger board.  You may find this of interest.

http://www.ac0c.com/main/page_antennas__homebrew_avr_dev_board.html

My goal was to use the AVR uP to simplify the amount of circuit support needed and the EasyAVR6 is a good way to do that.  

Best luck,
Jeff
www.ac0c.com
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From: Cat 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:30 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

  
Why not just buy an EVK1104?
Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!

Cat

From: darrylmunns 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:59 AM
To: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Gidday,
I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became aware of the development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the "EasyAVR6" and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a home hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying to implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it comes to projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home automation, and would love to build a laser projector. 
My questions for the group are.
Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
Thanks in advance Darryl 

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-03 by Dave Scanlan

Hi  Jeff,

 

I did a  lot of development work in the 90’s when these chips were first introduced.  I  loved their assembly instructions.

 

Dave
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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Blaine
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:51 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

 

  

I have the EasyAVR6. Works great. Very good quality build as well. A friend of mine has the same board – same opinion.

The companion compilers are quite good as well for the hobbyist especially because a lot of generic hardware is supported by the compiler functions. After having not dealt with a uP in 25 years, I found this a very easy way to ease back into my projects. I mounted the easyavr6 and a bit more stuff on a single larger board. You may find this of interest.

http://www.ac0c.com/main/page_antennas__homebrew_avr_dev_board.html

My goal was to use the AVR uP to simplify the amount of circuit support needed and the EasyAVR6 is a good way to do that. 

Best luck,
Jeff
www.ac0c.com

From: Cat 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:30 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Why not just buy an EVK1104?
Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!

Cat

From: darrylmunns 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:59 AM
To: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Gidday,
I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became aware of the development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the "EasyAVR6" and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a home hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying to implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it comes to projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home automation, and would love to build a laser projector. 
My questions for the group are.
Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
Thanks in advance Darryl 

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-03 by Dave Scanlan

Hi Jeff,

 

At one time, I belonged to  a robotics club in Roseville.  The AVR and the
Propeller were the  two most popular chips.

 

The Propeller with 8 cores was a  dream for robotics.

 

I was one of  26 folks around the world to  be on the  beta test team  for
the Propeller.  I did these programs to teach engineers around the  world
how program  it.

No  documentation was developed  at the time,  only a crud reference manual.

http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?83915-SPIN-CODE-EXAMPLES-FOR-THE-B
EGINNER-(Public-Version)
<http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?83915-SPIN-CODE-EXAMPLES-FOR-THE-
BEGINNER-(Public-Version)&highlight=scanlan> &highlight=scanlan
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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cat
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:31 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

 

  

Why not just buy an EVK1104?
Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!

Cat

From: darrylmunns 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:59 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Gidday,
I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became aware of the
development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the "EasyAVR6"
and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a home
hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying to
implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it comes to
projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home automation,
and would love to build a laser projector. 
My questions for the group are.
Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
Thanks in advance Darryl 

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-03 by John Samperi

At 04:51 AM 4/07/2011, you wrote:
>The companion compilers are quite good

The companion compilers are in fact quite bad. :-)

The C compiler I tried at least. The programming interface
of those board do no follow standard pin-out IIRC so they try
to suck people in by having to use their own programmers.

Nothing bad to say about the hardware itself, they seem well built.

I guess one could do some small mods to the hardware and then
use standard tools like AVR Studio V4.18 (DON'T TOUCH Version 5 yet)
with winAvr if one want to program in C otherwise the assembler that
comes with Studio will do nicely.


Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************

Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-04 by Cat

Why not touch Studio 5 yet?
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From: John Samperi 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:24 PM
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...
use standard tools like AVR Studio V4.18 (DON'T TOUCH Version 5 yet)
...
John Samperi



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Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-04 by John Samperi

At 10:54 AM 4/07/2011, you wrote:
>Why not touch Studio 5 yet?

Far too many bugs still, maybe ok in a year or so.
..and then there is the 600+MB download with about 1.2GB
worth of stuff.

If however one doesn't need reliable tools like Studio
ie a hobbyist then it may be OK, but I personally don't
want to battle with tools when I need to make some money
to pay my bills. :-)


Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************

RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-05 by Darryl

Gidday Cat

                                Thanks for the reply. I did look at this
board, but deemed it at bit to advanced for me at the moment. I have only
done a  six month course on microcontrollers at uni, and that was three
years ago.

Darryl
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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cat
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2011 6:31 a.m.
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

 

  

Why not just buy an EVK1104?
Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!

Cat






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RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-05 by Darryl

Gidday, John

                                I was under the impression that I could use
Codevision, AVRStudio v4.18 and a Jtagice mk2 to program these boards
without the need to make any hardware changes. Perhaps I need to ask
MikroElektronika  that question before purchasing. 

Thanks very much for your input it is appreciated.

Darryl 
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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Samperi
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2011 9:25 a.m.
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

 

  

At 04:51 AM 4/07/2011, you wrote:
>The companion compilers are quite good

The companion compilers are in fact quite bad. :-)

The C compiler I tried at least. The programming interface
of those board do no follow standard pin-out IIRC so they try
to suck people in by having to use their own programmers.

Nothing bad to say about the hardware itself, they seem well built.

I guess one could do some small mods to the hardware and then
use standard tools like AVR Studio V4.18 (DON'T TOUCH Version 5 yet)
with winAvr if one want to program in C otherwise the assembler that
comes with Studio will do nicely.

Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495 Fax (02) 9674-8745
Website http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly





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RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-05 by John Samperi

At 06:21 PM 5/07/2011, you wrote:
>I was under the impression that I could use
>Codevision, AVRStudio v4.18 and a Jtagice mk2 to program these boards
>without the need to make any hardware changes. Perhaps I need to ask
>MikroElektronika  that question before purchasing.

Yesterday I visited the site on another matter and had a quick
look at one of their new boards and it seems that they now have
standard pin out both for JTAG and ISP. Of course ask just to make
sure of this.

Do you want/need to use codevision? Otherwise you can use
Studio both for programming and debugging. If you need or
want to use codevision then you need to go in and out of Studio
for debugging. Not a big deal but it's just something else you need
to learn.

With Studio V4.18 you can use the free winAvr (GCC) compiler.

Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************

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2011-07-05 by Darryl

Gidday Jeff,

                                Thanks very much for the reply and your comments they are greatly appreciated. I like your setup, it’s along the lines that I want to go. I’ve book marked your site as I think it warrants further investigation.

Cheers Darryl
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Sent: Monday, 4 July 2011 6:51 a.m.
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

 

  

I have the EasyAVR6. Works great. Very good quality build as well. A friend of mine has the same board – same opinion.

The companion compilers are quite good as well for the hobbyist especially because a lot of generic hardware is supported by the compiler functions. After having not dealt with a uP in 25 years, I found this a very easy way to ease back into my projects. I mounted the easyavr6 and a bit more stuff on a single larger board. You may find this of interest.

http://www.ac0c.com/main/page_antennas__homebrew_avr_dev_board.html

My goal was to use the AVR uP to simplify the amount of circuit support needed and the EasyAVR6 is a good way to do that. 

Best luck,
Jeff
www.ac0c.com






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2011-07-07 by Jeff Blaine

Very interesting Dave.  The propeller is a very cool gadget.  I think the Ardunio has a big following as well but I’ve not played with that as getting an AVR to talk is pretty easy now.

The Mikroe dev board + compiler is not perfect – but it’s pretty simple to get working.  And for a guy who’s trying to get his feet wet in a HOBBY interest level, it’s a great start.  That’s what cracks me up when guys to are pro-level talk down about a system like this – it’s been too long since they were at the point where walking was tough let alone running.  ha ha ha.

I’ve not done anything with other chips than some ancient Mot units.  But it is extreemly cool to be able to cook up a design and test the basic hardware on the computer.  And the work up the code and sim that on the PC as well.  Prior to a few years ago, the last time I worked on a uP was in the early 80’s – that was 100% assembly and there were no significant tools available.  We are light years ahead of that now.  

73, Jeff ACØC
www.ac0c.com
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From: Dave Scanlan 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:50 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

  
Hi Jeff,

At one time, I belonged to a robotics club in Roseville. The AVR and the
Propeller were the two most popular chips.

The Propeller with 8 cores was a dream for robotics.

I was one of 26 folks around the world to be on the beta test team for
the Propeller. I did these programs to teach engineers around the world
how program it.

No documentation was developed at the time, only a crud reference manual.

http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?83915-SPIN-CODE-EXAMPLES-FOR-THE-B
EGINNER-(Public-Version)
<http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?83915-SPIN-CODE-EXAMPLES-FOR-THE-
BEGINNER-(Public-Version)&highlight=scanlan> &highlight=scanlan

From: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cat
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:31 AM
To: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Why not just buy an EVK1104?
Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!

Cat

From: darrylmunns 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:59 AM
To: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

Gidday,
I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became aware of the
development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the "EasyAVR6"
and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a home
hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying to
implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it comes to
projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home automation,
and would love to build a laser projector. 
My questions for the group are.
Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
Thanks in advance Darryl 

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-07 by Xiaofan Chen

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:28 PM, John Samperi
<samperi@ampertronics.com.au> wrote:
> At 10:54 AM 4/07/2011, you wrote:
>>Why not touch Studio 5 yet?
>
> Far too many bugs still, maybe ok in a year or so.
> ..and then there is the 600+MB download with about 1.2GB
> worth of stuff.
>
> If however one doesn't need reliable tools like Studio
> ie a hobbyist then it may be OK, but I personally don't
> want to battle with tools when I need to make some money
> to pay my bills. :-)

I have never really used AVR Studio 4 (not an active AVR user,
more a PIC/ARM user). But we are now using AVR Studio 5
with AVR UC3 (AVR32) for our the libusbk (next generation libusb-win32)
project testing and it works quite okay (other than high speed
USB ISOC transfer). The developer (Travis Robinson)
likes AVR Studio 5 a lot since he is a Visual Studio
user. I am the tester and I am okay with AVR Studio 5 as well.

But of course this is not considered a production
grade firmware.

Tools used:
AVR Studio 5 with built-in AVR Software Framework.
AVR Dragon, sponsored by Atmel
UC3-A3 Xplained, sponsored by Atmel
AT90USBKEY (not yet used),  sponsored by Atmel

Codes:
http://code.google.com/p/usb-travis/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2FBmFW%2FAVR%2FASF%2FBenchmark
(Take note the LUFA based codes for AT90USB are not official code
and not working yet).

-- 
Xiaofan

AVR Studio V5

2011-07-08 by Philippe Habib

I've been catching up on mail and saw this comment from John.

I was starting a project with an AVR32 part and thought V5 would be  
the way to go.  After spending nearly 3 hours on the download and  
install, I beat my head against the wall for a while longer trying to   
get my JTAGICE to talk to an Atmel dev board.  After a while I looked  
on AVRfreaks and saw that I wasn't the only one who couldn't get it to  
work and downreved back to the AVR32 studio.

What a waste of time.  I won't be loading V5 again for a long while.
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On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, John Samperi wrote:

> I guess one could do some small mods to the hardware and then
> use standard tools like AVR Studio V4.18 (DON'T TOUCH Version 5 yet)

Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please

2011-07-08 by Philippe Habib

I helped a friend who's never programmed get going with Arduino.  It  
was an easy way for him to get started and to do simple stuff.  I did  
not see an obvious way to do ISRs with it, but did not spend much time  
looking.
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:14 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote:

> Very interesting Dave.  The propeller is a very cool gadget.  I  
> think the Ardunio has a big following as well but I’ve not played  
> with that as getting an AVR to talk is pretty easy now.
>
> The Mikroe dev board + compiler is not perfect – but it’s pretty  
> simple to get working.  And for a guy who’s trying to get his feet  
> wet in a HOBBY interest level, it’s a great start.  That’s what  
> cracks me up when guys to are pro-level talk down about a system  
> like this – it’s been too long since they were at the point where  
> walking was tough let alone running.  ha ha ha.
>
> I’ve not done anything with other chips than some ancient Mot  
> units.  But it is extreemly cool to be able to cook up a design and  
> test the basic hardware on the computer.  And the work up the code  
> and sim that on the PC as well.  Prior to a few years ago, the last  
> time I worked on a uP was in the early 80’s – that was 100% assembly  
> and there were no significant tools available.  We are light years  
> ahead of that now.
>
> 73, Jeff ACØC
> www.ac0c.com
>
>
>
> From: Dave Scanlan
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:50 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please
>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> At one time, I belonged to a robotics club in Roseville. The AVR and  
> the
> Propeller were the two most popular chips.
>
> The Propeller with 8 cores was a dream for robotics.
>
> I was one of 26 folks around the world to be on the beta test team for
> the Propeller. I did these programs to teach engineers around the  
> world
> how program it.
>
> No documentation was developed at the time, only a crud reference  
> manual.
>
> http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?83915-SPIN-CODE-EXAMPLES-FOR-THE-B
> EGINNER-(Public-Version)
> <http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?83915-SPIN-CODE-EXAMPLES-FOR-THE-
> BEGINNER-(Public-Version)&highlight=scanlan> &highlight=scanlan
>
> From: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf
> Of Cat
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:31 AM
> To: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please
>
> Why not just buy an EVK1104?
> Some learning to move to 32 bit AVR but what a board!
>
> Cat
>
> From: darrylmunns
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:59 AM
> To: mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com 
> >
> Subject: [AVR-Chat] Comments or thoughts required please
>
> Gidday,
> I was going to upgrade my STK500 to a STK600. But I then became  
> aware of the
> development boards from "Mikroe Electronics". Specifically the  
> "EasyAVR6"
> and the "BigAVR6" development systems, they seem to be ideal for a  
> home
> hobbyist who wants to concentrate on the software side before trying  
> to
> implement the hardware. I currently have no one grand plan when it  
> comes to
> projects, but want to have a play with, data logging, GPS, home  
> automation,
> and would love to build a laser projector.
> My questions for the group are.
> Has anybody dealt with this company and how did they find them?
> Has anybody got these boards and what do they think of them?
> Any other comments on the above would be welcome too.
> Thanks in advance Darryl
>
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