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Not to start a religious war... 

I am considering moving from assembler to the dark side...high level 
languages.  Since I have more experience with Pascal I'm looking at 
Pascal compilers right now, and leaning toward Rainier Lamers' Embedded 
Pascal for the AVR.

Any comments and suggestions concerning the various compilers out there 
would be appreciated.

Thanks,

REB

Hi,



> Not to start a religious war...
>
> I am considering moving from assembler to the dark side...high level
> languages.  Since I have more experience with Pascal I'm looking at
> Pascal compilers right now, and leaning toward Rainier Lamers' Embedded
> Pascal for the AVR.
>
> Any comments and suggestions concerning the various compilers out there
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> REB

    I really hate C more than anyone else that I know but I am using it for
the AVR family. I did not find a better option, unfortunately. I bought
Embedded Pascal and it is just not efficient enough for generating code for
the AVR's. If you work with small projects it is nice. For bigger things go
with Codevision C and you are in the right direction. Nice IDE, good code
generation and great support from Pavel.

Best regards,
Alexandre Guimaraes

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "R. Burrage" <RBurrage@b...> wrote:

> Not to start a religious war... 

But you do seem to have initiated a faith-based skirmish!

> I am considering moving from
> assembler to the dark side ...
> high level languages.

You probably won't go back.

> Since I have more experience
> with Pascal I'm looking at 
> Pascal compilers ...

Well, you haven't collected much helpful advice yet, and I'm not here 
to change that. But, I don't see why you should be obliged to learn C 
if you're happy with pascal (isn't it lower case?) and the kind of 
projects you'll be working on don't stretch the microcontroller's 
resources. Maybe you could say more about your intent for pascal on 
an AVR. Are you working on commercial projects or just for your own 
interest? Will you use a big AVR such as the ATmega64 or a little one 
with much less memory? This would help us give the right advice.

Graham.

thinking back to my Pascal days in the early '80s, I remember a strongly
typed language. This would be imprudent for a meager microprocessor,
especially an 8 bit one. Hence, C is the best - it being a portable
assembler and arguably not a high level language by today's standards.

-----Original Message-----
From: R. Burrage [mailto:RBurrage@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:09 PM
To: AVR Discussion List
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Pascal compilers


Not to start a religious war...

I am considering moving from assembler to the dark side...high level
languages.  Since I have more experience with Pascal I'm looking at
Pascal compilers right now, and leaning toward Rainier Lamers' Embedded
Pascal for the AVR.

Any comments and suggestions concerning the various compilers out there
would be appreciated.

Thanks,

REB






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It may be lower case but I had a calculus instructor in college who 
could flick the rubber tip of her pointer right between one's eyes for 
not capitalizing his name.  Old habits die hard, even after almost 30 years.

Projects are combined commercial and personal.  I've been working with 
the AVR for about 5 years after migrating up from the 80x31/32 series.  
Applications are test/measurement/control in nature and have used the 
S1200/S2313.  When I/O need is greater, the 8515/8535.  Have a piddle 
project designed around the 4433 that I'm going to have to convert to a 
MEGA8.  Working with the TINY26s and MEGA16s on a couple of current 
projects.

A customer specified use of a PIC 18F series earlier this year (I'm 
still trying to scrub the scuz off ;-) ), and my thinking is that if 
this happens again it would just be easier to use a relatively more 
common language instead of learning another assembler.  I'm also being 
threatened with several applications in the near future that will 
require serious math that I'm not looking forward to writing in 
assembler, one of which will require linearizing a pressure sensor.

I've been on this list since back in the days when Dave hosted it on his 
site, or was that after it was an e-groups list, but mostly just lurk.

REB

Graham Davies wrote:

>--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "R. Burrage" <RBurrage@b...> wrote:
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>>Not to start a religious war... 
>>    
>>
>
>But you do seem to have initiated a faith-based skirmish!
>
>  
>
>>I am considering moving from
>>assembler to the dark side ...
>>high level languages.
>>    
>>
>
>You probably won't go back.
>
>  
>
>>Since I have more experience
>>with Pascal I'm looking at 
>>Pascal compilers ...
>>    
>>
>
>Well, you haven't collected much helpful advice yet, and I'm not here 
>to change that. But, I don't see why you should be obliged to learn C 
>if you're happy with pascal (isn't it lower case?) and the kind of 
>projects you'll be working on don't stretch the microcontroller's 
>resources. Maybe you could say more about your intent for pascal on 
>an AVR. Are you working on commercial projects or just for your own 
>interest? Will you use a big AVR such as the ATmega64 or a little one 
>with much less memory? This would help us give the right advice.
>
>Graham.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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> 
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>A customer specified use of a PIC 18F series earlier this year (I'm still trying to scrub the scuz off ;-) ),

EEEEEWWWwwwww. :) 

> and my thinking is that if this happens again it would just be easier to use a relatively more common language instead of learning another assembler.  I'm also being threatened with several applications in the near future that will require serious math that I'm not looking forward to writing in assembler, one of which will require linearizing a pressure sensor.
>
>I've been on this list since back in the days when Dave hosted it on his site, or was that after it was an e-groups list, but mostly just lurk.

I started it after Kalle's list died, or right at the tail end of that, on e-groups, then went to my server. Migrated to yahoo when my server dissapeared.

If I'm not mistaken, the 3.4.1 (experimental) version of gcc has a
pascal frontend now (from the GNU Pascal project). I'm not sure if it is
supported for avr at this point, but since the backend of the the
compiler handles chip specific stuff it's worth a shot.

Try http://gcc.gnu.org

Good luck,
Russ

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 14:08, R. Burrage wrote:
> Not to start a religious war... 
> 
> I am considering moving from assembler to the dark side...high level 
> languages.  Since I have more experience with Pascal I'm looking at 
> Pascal compilers right now, and leaning toward Rainier Lamers' Embedded 
> Pascal for the AVR.
> 
> Any comments and suggestions concerning the various compilers out there 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> REB
> 
> 
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>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
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> 
>  
>

Yeah...yeah...I lurk on the PICLIST too.  ;-)


REB



Dave VanHorn wrote:

>>A customer specified use of a PIC 18F series earlier this year (I'm still trying to scrub the scuz off ;-) ),
>>    
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>EEEEEWWWwwwww. :) 
>  
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