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RESET problems

2004-01-27 by Jack Valmadre

Hi,
I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my
AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 computer to
my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't working.
No matter what I connect to it, it continues to act as if its connected
to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program still runs.  So
now my programmer won't work either.
I've checked the power supply and the continuity between the pin and the
input and they are both fine.
What could be causing this behaviour?
Thanks,
Jack

Re: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-27 by Wagner Lipnharski

Jack Valmadre wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my
> AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 computer to
> my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't
> working. No matter what I connect to it, it continues to act as if
> its connected to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program
> still runs.  So now my programmer won't work either.
> I've checked the power supply and the continuity between the pin and
> the input and they are both fine.
> What could be causing this behaviour?
> Thanks,
> Jack

Dear Jack,

It is considered wise to explain all the elements of a problem when seeking
help.

There are many possible causes for your problem, but not knowing exactly
your instalation, it will be very difficult to help.
I can imagine several possible missing elements in your above text, but
instead of be guessing, why dont you tell us what is in between your PC and
your 8535?

Wagner.

RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Jack Valmadre

I'm using a simple homebrew programmer circuit that consists of 5 input
lines being connected to MOSI, MISO, SCK, RESET and GND.  I remember
these were 6, 7, 9, 10 and 25 though I forget what order.  There are two
more connections - pin 2-13 and 3-11 or something like that.  I tested
all of these connections and they're fine.
I'm pretty sure the problem is the RESET pin because the 8535 runs
without the 10k pull-up to 5V, and it even runs when I have reset
connected to GND.
I am using a 12V 7.2Ah SLA battery as a power source.  The circuit uses
a 7805 regulator with 2 electrolytic caps to produce +5V.  The atmel has
connections to +5V and GND through the Vcc and GND pins; XTAL1 and XTAL2
are connected to either leg of a 10MHz crystal, each with a 27pF ceramic
cap to GND.  AVcc, Agnd and Aref are not connected, but I am not using
PORTA.  There are 4 LEDs on pins PC0-3.
Thanks,
Jack
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner Lipnharski [mailto:wagner@ustr.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 2:19 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

Jack Valmadre wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my
> AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 computer to
> my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't
> working. No matter what I connect to it, it continues to act as if
> its connected to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program
> still runs.  So now my programmer won't work either.
> I've checked the power supply and the continuity between the pin and
> the input and they are both fine.
> What could be causing this behaviour?
> Thanks,
> Jack

Dear Jack,

It is considered wise to explain all the elements of a problem when
seeking
help.

There are many possible causes for your problem, but not knowing exactly
your instalation, it will be very difficult to help.
I can imagine several possible missing elements in your above text, but
instead of be guessing, why dont you tell us what is in between your PC
and
your 8535?

Wagner.


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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Jack Valmadre

Forgot to mention:
I am using PonyProg 206c on WinXP home.
Jack.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 6:03 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

I'm using a simple homebrew programmer circuit that consists of 5 input
lines being connected to MOSI, MISO, SCK, RESET and GND.  I remember
these were 6, 7, 9, 10 and 25 though I forget what order.  There are two
more connections - pin 2-13 and 3-11 or something like that.  I tested
all of these connections and they're fine.
I'm pretty sure the problem is the RESET pin because the 8535 runs
without the 10k pull-up to 5V, and it even runs when I have reset
connected to GND.
I am using a 12V 7.2Ah SLA battery as a power source.  The circuit uses
a 7805 regulator with 2 electrolytic caps to produce +5V.  The atmel has
connections to +5V and GND through the Vcc and GND pins; XTAL1 and XTAL2
are connected to either leg of a 10MHz crystal, each with a 27pF ceramic
cap to GND.  AVcc, Agnd and Aref are not connected, but I am not using
PORTA.  There are 4 LEDs on pins PC0-3.
Thanks,
Jack



-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner Lipnharski [mailto:wagner@ustr.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 2:19 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

Jack Valmadre wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my
> AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 computer to
> my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't
> working. No matter what I connect to it, it continues to act as if
> its connected to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program
> still runs.  So now my programmer won't work either.
> I've checked the power supply and the continuity between the pin and
> the input and they are both fine.
> What could be causing this behaviour?
> Thanks,
> Jack

Dear Jack,

It is considered wise to explain all the elements of a problem when
seeking
help.

There are many possible causes for your problem, but not knowing exactly
your instalation, it will be very difficult to help.
I can imagine several possible missing elements in your above text, but
instead of be guessing, why dont you tell us what is in between your PC
and
your 8535?

Wagner.


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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Kathy Quinlan

Is it a mega 8535 or just an AT90S8535 ?

As the old non mega part does not run above 8Mhz, and running at 10Mhz
will cause this problem.

Regards,

Kat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 4:03 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> 
> I'm using a simple homebrew programmer circuit that consists 
> of 5 input lines being connected to MOSI, MISO, SCK, RESET 
> and GND.  I remember these were 6, 7, 9, 10 and 25 though I 
> forget what order.  There are two more connections - pin 2-13 
> and 3-11 or something like that.  I tested all of these 
> connections and they're fine. I'm pretty sure the problem is 
> the RESET pin because the 8535 runs without the 10k pull-up 
> to 5V, and it even runs when I have reset connected to GND. I 
> am using a 12V 7.2Ah SLA battery as a power source.  The 
> circuit uses a 7805 regulator with 2 electrolytic caps to 
> produce +5V.  The atmel has connections to +5V and GND 
> through the Vcc and GND pins; XTAL1 and XTAL2 are connected 
> to either leg of a 10MHz crystal, each with a 27pF ceramic 
> cap to GND.  AVcc, Agnd and Aref are not connected, but I am 
> not using PORTA.  There are 4 LEDs on pins PC0-3. Thanks, Jack
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wagner Lipnharski [mailto:wagner@ustr.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 2:19 AM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> Jack Valmadre wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my 
> > AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 
> computer to 
> > my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't 
> > working. No matter what I connect to it, it continues to 
> act as if its 
> > connected to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program 
> > still runs.  So now my programmer won't work either. I've 
> checked the 
> > power supply and the continuity between the pin and the 
> input and they 
> > are both fine. What could be causing this behaviour?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> 
> Dear Jack,
> 
> It is considered wise to explain all the elements of a 
> problem when seeking help.
> 
> There are many possible causes for your problem, but not 
> knowing exactly your instalation, it will be very difficult 
> to help. I can imagine several possible missing elements in 
> your above text, but instead of be guessing, why dont you 
> tell us what is in between your PC and your 8535?
> 
> Wagner.
> 
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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Jack Valmadre

It is an AT90S8535, however replacing the 10MHz crystal with an 8MHz
crystal did not fix the RESET problem.
I doubt this would be what caused the damage, because I know someone who
runs an AT90S2313 at 20MHz, when it is recommended to run at 10MHz.
Could the problem be fuses?
Jack.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Quinlan [mailto:kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 6:40 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

Is it a mega 8535 or just an AT90S8535 ?

As the old non mega part does not run above 8Mhz, and running at 10Mhz
will cause this problem.

Regards,

Kat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 4:03 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> 
> I'm using a simple homebrew programmer circuit that consists 
> of 5 input lines being connected to MOSI, MISO, SCK, RESET 
> and GND.  I remember these were 6, 7, 9, 10 and 25 though I 
> forget what order.  There are two more connections - pin 2-13 
> and 3-11 or something like that.  I tested all of these 
> connections and they're fine. I'm pretty sure the problem is 
> the RESET pin because the 8535 runs without the 10k pull-up 
> to 5V, and it even runs when I have reset connected to GND. I 
> am using a 12V 7.2Ah SLA battery as a power source.  The 
> circuit uses a 7805 regulator with 2 electrolytic caps to 
> produce +5V.  The atmel has connections to +5V and GND 
> through the Vcc and GND pins; XTAL1 and XTAL2 are connected 
> to either leg of a 10MHz crystal, each with a 27pF ceramic 
> cap to GND.  AVcc, Agnd and Aref are not connected, but I am 
> not using PORTA.  There are 4 LEDs on pins PC0-3. Thanks, Jack
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wagner Lipnharski [mailto:wagner@ustr.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 2:19 AM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> Jack Valmadre wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my 
> > AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 
> computer to 
> > my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't 
> > working. No matter what I connect to it, it continues to 
> act as if its 
> > connected to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program 
> > still runs.  So now my programmer won't work either. I've 
> checked the 
> > power supply and the continuity between the pin and the 
> input and they 
> > are both fine. What could be causing this behaviour?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> 
> Dear Jack,
> 
> It is considered wise to explain all the elements of a 
> problem when seeking help.
> 
> There are many possible causes for your problem, but not 
> knowing exactly your instalation, it will be very difficult 
> to help. I can imagine several possible missing elements in 
> your above text, but instead of be guessing, why dont you 
> tell us what is in between your PC and your 8535?
> 
> Wagner.
> 
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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Jack Valmadre

I've fixed the problem.
Turns out the IC pins weren't reaching deep enough in my breadboard to
find the connection.
In future I'll use one of those sockets with the really long legs.
Sorry it was such a stupid mistake.
Thanks,
Jack
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 7:18 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

It is an AT90S8535, however replacing the 10MHz crystal with an 8MHz
crystal did not fix the RESET problem.
I doubt this would be what caused the damage, because I know someone who
runs an AT90S2313 at 20MHz, when it is recommended to run at 10MHz.
Could the problem be fuses?
Jack.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Quinlan [mailto:kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 6:40 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

Is it a mega 8535 or just an AT90S8535 ?

As the old non mega part does not run above 8Mhz, and running at 10Mhz
will cause this problem.

Regards,

Kat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 4:03 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> 
> I'm using a simple homebrew programmer circuit that consists 
> of 5 input lines being connected to MOSI, MISO, SCK, RESET 
> and GND.  I remember these were 6, 7, 9, 10 and 25 though I 
> forget what order.  There are two more connections - pin 2-13 
> and 3-11 or something like that.  I tested all of these 
> connections and they're fine. I'm pretty sure the problem is 
> the RESET pin because the 8535 runs without the 10k pull-up 
> to 5V, and it even runs when I have reset connected to GND. I 
> am using a 12V 7.2Ah SLA battery as a power source.  The 
> circuit uses a 7805 regulator with 2 electrolytic caps to 
> produce +5V.  The atmel has connections to +5V and GND 
> through the Vcc and GND pins; XTAL1 and XTAL2 are connected 
> to either leg of a 10MHz crystal, each with a 27pF ceramic 
> cap to GND.  AVcc, Agnd and Aref are not connected, but I am 
> not using PORTA.  There are 4 LEDs on pins PC0-3. Thanks, Jack
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wagner Lipnharski [mailto:wagner@ustr.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 2:19 AM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> Jack Valmadre wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've been running a few simple LED chaser and PWM programs on my 
> > AT90S8535 and I just went to switch from my old Windows 98 
> computer to 
> > my Windows XP machine, when I noticed that the RESET pin wasn't 
> > working. No matter what I connect to it, it continues to 
> act as if its 
> > connected to +5V and nothing else - the previously loaded program 
> > still runs.  So now my programmer won't work either. I've 
> checked the 
> > power supply and the continuity between the pin and the 
> input and they 
> > are both fine. What could be causing this behaviour?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> 
> Dear Jack,
> 
> It is considered wise to explain all the elements of a 
> problem when seeking help.
> 
> There are many possible causes for your problem, but not 
> knowing exactly your instalation, it will be very difficult 
> to help. I can imagine several possible missing elements in 
> your above text, but instead of be guessing, why dont you 
> tell us what is in between your PC and your 8535?
> 
> Wagner.
> 
> 
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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Kathy Quinlan

Not wishing to start a holy war ;o) but as an ENGINEER I can not condone
running parts out of spec. I also dislike people complaining of problems
when they run parts out of spec.

I agree a lot off people do it, but try reliably accessing the EEPROM
when over clocking the AVR (btw this is the main reason the AVR's are
speced at the speeds they are)

I accept in your case that once the device had its crystal replaced it
still did not work. There are only 2 fuses on 8535 (Short start-up and
ISP disable)

Regards,
Kat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 5:18 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> 
> It is an AT90S8535, however replacing the 10MHz crystal with 
> an 8MHz crystal did not fix the RESET problem. I doubt this 
> would be what caused the damage, because I know someone who 
> runs an AT90S2313 at 20MHz, when it is recommended to run at 
> 10MHz. Could the problem be fuses? Jack.

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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Kathy Quinlan

I hate breadboards and love them at the same time lol

Try putting an IDC dip header in one, they usually fall put :o(

I now have a set of dev boards with 16 dip switches (2x8) 16 leds
buffered, enough 10pin IDC to socket holes for running a Mega part, LCD,
Rs 232 and RS 422 driver, all wired to turned (machine) pin IC sockets.
Just poke Cat5 (0.4mm)solid wire in and bingo all works nicely :o)

I will put photo's and drawings / PCB artwork up on my website soon :o)

Regards,
Kat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Valmadre [mailto:jack.valmadre@optusnet.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 6:38 PM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems
> 
> 
> I've fixed the problem.
> Turns out the IC pins weren't reaching deep enough in my 
> breadboard to find the connection. In future I'll use one of 
> those sockets with the really long legs. Sorry it was such a 
> stupid mistake. Thanks, Jack

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RE: [AVR-Chat] RESET problems

2004-01-28 by Dave VanHorn

At 08:37 PM 1/28/2004 +1000, Jack Valmadre wrote:
>I've fixed the problem.
>Turns out the IC pins weren't reaching deep enough in my breadboard to
>find the connection.
>In future I'll use one of those sockets with the really long legs.
>Sorry it was such a stupid mistake.
>Thanks,
>Jack

Prototypeitis. Happens to everyone.
This is why we measure input signals on the leg of the chip, and output 
signals on the trace next to the chip.

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