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OK.  I got a 40 pin universal ZIF soldered into my Dragon this 
afternoon.   I plug an ATtiny25 into the socket in pins 1-8, and fire up 
AVRStudio.   I cannot write to or read the ATtiny25 in the socket.   
What am I doing wrong? (No manuals come with the dragon )-: )
tom

Thomas Keller wrote:

>  OK.  I got a 40 pin universal ZIF soldered into my Dragon this 
> afternoon.   I plug an ATtiny25 into the socket in pins 1-8, and fire up 
> AVRStudio.   I cannot write to or read the ATtiny25 in the socket.   
> What am I doing wrong? (No manuals come with the dragon )-: )
> tom
> 

The manual is in studio under HELP->AVR Tools. The socket is isolated, you'll need to
connect it to the patch pads. Hint: add male pin headers to all of the patch pad
sets and wire wrap the socket connections.

Bruce

At 09:07 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>What am I doing wrong? (No manuals come with the dragon )-: )

Do you see how you are making life hard for yourself?

Everything is there in pretty colour pictures in the AVR Studio
help file for the Dragon. Just byte the bullet and install IE
you don't have to use it for anything else if you don't want.

Regards

John Samperi

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Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
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Bruce Parham wrote:
>
> Thomas Keller wrote:
>
> > OK. I got a 40 pin universal ZIF soldered into my Dragon this
> > afternoon.
>
> The manual is in studio under HELP->AVR Tools. The socket is isolated, 
> you'll need to
> connect it to the patch pads. Hint: add male pin headers to all of the 
> patch pad
> sets and wire wrap the socket connections.
>
> /906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 6:30 PM
>   
PATCH PADS?  I saw a photo of a Dragon with a ZIF socket soldered in 
palce, I assumed this would work.  How in hell do I mount the socket to 
the Dragon? What a stupid doggoned design.   Now I assuem I'l have to 
desolder the doggoned socket, as well. *HUMPH*

    I cannot access AVRStudio Help files, as the wonderful people at 
Atmel programmed it to require IE to be installed on the system for the 
help files to work, and I WILL NOT install that misbegotten piece of 
CRAP on my system. Too many things default to it if it is installed.


  I am getting very frustrated. I can't seem to get the STK-500 to 
connect  to the ATtiny25 either. I have set the ISPROG header into the 
SPROG1 header, and used two jumpers, for XT1 to PB5 and RST to PB3.  
AVRStudio keeps telling me there is a problem no matter what I ask it to 
do, Can;t read the signature bytes, can;t write to it, can't erase it.  
***DAGNAB IT*

tom

tom

John Samperi wrote:
>
> At 09:07 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
> >What am I doing wrong? (No manuals come with the dragon )-: )
> Do you see how you are making life hard for yourself?
> Everything is there in pretty colour pictures in the AVR Studio
> help file for the Dragon. Just byte the bullet and install IE
> you don't have to use it for anything else if you don't want.
>
   Yeah, right, Except for all the crap that people write that DEFAULTS 
to IE if it can find it on the system. )-:

   Including web pages when I am using MY browser, I click on a link and 
the next thing I know, I am in EI!  I ****HATE**** that with a purple 
passion.

At 09:42 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>     I cannot access AVRStudio Help files, as the wonderful people at
>Atmel programmed it to require IE to be installed on the system for the
>help files to work, and I WILL NOT install that misbegotten piece of
>CRAP on my system.

Well, my friend, you will then understand if no one will go out of
their way to help you in the future as most of your problems seem
to be self inflicted :-(

I have only used the ZIF socket on my Dragon once to do HVPP, it
was EXTREMELY easy to wire up the socket according to the pictures
and instructions on the help file. I have also ordered several bunches
of patch cables from ERE in case I need to use the ZIF socket again,
very unlikely but possible, so I'm well armed.

Surely there must be a non Microsoft program that will let you open
the CHM files if you don't want IE.


Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Email: john@ampertronics.com.au
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************


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Thomas Keller wrote:

> Bruce Parham wrote:
> 
>>Thomas Keller wrote:
>>
>>
>>>OK. I got a 40 pin universal ZIF soldered into my Dragon this
>>>afternoon.
>>
>>The manual is in studio under HELP->AVR Tools. The socket is isolated, 
>>you'll need to
>>connect it to the patch pads. Hint: add male pin headers to all of the 
>>patch pad
>>sets and wire wrap the socket connections.
>>
>>/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 6:30 PM
>>  
> 
> PATCH PADS?  I saw a photo of a Dragon with a ZIF socket soldered in 
> palce, I assumed this would work.  How in hell do I mount the socket to 
> the Dragon? What a stupid doggoned design.   Now I assuem I'l have to 
> desolder the doggoned socket, as well. *HUMPH*
> 
>     I cannot access AVRStudio Help files, as the wonderful people at 
> Atmel programmed it to require IE to be installed on the system for the 
> help files to work, and I WILL NOT install that misbegotten piece of 
> CRAP on my system. Too many things default to it if it is installed.
> 
> 
>   I am getting very frustrated. I can't seem to get the STK-500 to 
> connect  to the ATtiny25 either. I have set the ISPROG header into the 
> SPROG1 header, and used two jumpers, for XT1 to PB5 and RST to PB3.  
> AVRStudio keeps telling me there is a problem no matter what I ask it to 
> do, Can;t read the signature bytes, can;t write to it, can't erase it.  
> ***DAGNAB IT*
> 
> tom
> 
> tom
> 

I just added a .PDF version of the manual to the group files section...

Bruce

Bruce Parham wrote:
>
> I just added a .PDF version of the manual to the group files section...
> Bruce
>

   Thanks, Bruce.   I actually went to Mickey$hit.com and tried to D/L 
IE7. The *ONLY* download I coudl find for it wanted to charegh me $9.50 
for a CD. I will **NEVER** pay Mickey$hit one thin DIME of my meager 
money.  I'll give up on AVRs and find another processor to use first. *heh*

tom

John Samperi wrote:
> At 09:42 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>>     I cannot access AVRStudio Help files, as the wonderful people at
>> Atmel programmed it to require IE to be installed on the system for the
>> help files to work, and I WILL NOT install that misbegotten piece of
>> CRAP on my system.
> 
> Well, my friend, you will then understand if no one will go out of
> their way to help you in the future as most of your problems seem
> to be self inflicted :-(
> 
> I have only used the ZIF socket on my Dragon once to do HVPP, it
> was EXTREMELY easy to wire up the socket according to the pictures
> and instructions on the help file. I have also ordered several bunches
> of patch cables from ERE in case I need to use the ZIF socket again,
> very unlikely but possible, so I'm well armed.
> 
> Surely there must be a non Microsoft program that will let you open
> the CHM files if you don't want IE.

I ditched Windoze garbage years ago. You can view chm files in linux:

   http://xchm.sourceforge.net/
   http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/chmdeco

You can even run IE6 on wine and not have the insecurity problems
of Windoze:

   http://patrick.spacesurfer.com/ie_wine_install.html

Don't you guys think that you are offensive to the rest of us?



Make your choices, be happy with them, but stop that smugness.



How often do you hear others using words like "garbage" or "$hit" about your 
choices, even though we end up with more time writing code because we don't 
need to waste any looking for ways to go around your problems?



Have some common sense, be respectful.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Shaw" <rjshaw@netspace.net.au>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] AVR Dragon usage


...
> I ditched Windoze garbage years ago. You can view chm files in linux:
>
...

Hi John,

> I have also 
> ordered several bunches of patch cables from ERE in case I 
> need to use the ZIF socket again, very unlikely but possible, 
> so I'm well armed.

I've been looking for those patch cables for a while can you tell us the
details of where you found them?

Alex

Thank you.

As for those words...if I keep seeing problem complaints on the list 
that are caused by refusal to use the tools provided, F-R-E-E tools I 
might add, within the bounds of their published limitations you might 
see them again.  It's a waste of time for the rest of us to have to deal 
with problems caused by someone else's failure to RTFM...the M's that 
are generally provided in pdf format.

And then Kat, Dave, and the other moderators will moderate my posts...


REB



Cat wrote:

>Don't you guys think that you are offensive to the rest of us?
>
>
>
>Make your choices, be happy with them, but stop that smugness.
>
>
>
>How often do you hear others using words like "garbage" or "$hit" about your 
>choices, even though we end up with more time writing code because we don't 
>need to waste any looking for ways to go around your problems?
>
>
>
>Have some common sense, be respectful.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Russell Shaw" <rjshaw@netspace.net.au>
>To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] AVR Dragon usage
>
>
>...
>  
>
>>I ditched Windoze garbage years ago. You can view chm files in linux:
>>
>>    
>>
>... 
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> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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At 01:26 PM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>I will **NEVER** pay Mickey$hit one thin DIME of my meager
>money.

So is your copy of Windows a pirate copy? Or are you running
something OTHER than Windows? =-O



Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Email: john@ampertronics.com.au
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************


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At 02:37 PM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>I've been looking for those patch cables for a while can you tell us the
>details of where you found them?

http://www.ere.co.th/(iz1npey4wtyow155cighj255)/default.aspx?RedirectPage=Products&RedirectPage1=ProductsDetail&ProductID=46

I got 1 pack of each colour (150mm) and 2 packs of the Red and Black
for about AU$40.00

Regards

John Samperi

********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Email: john@ampertronics.com.au
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************


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--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Keller <tjkeller1@...> wrote:
>
>  OK.  I got a 40 pin universal ZIF soldered into my Dragon this 
> afternoon.   I plug an ATtiny25 into the socket in pins 1-8, and
fire up 
> AVRStudio.   I cannot write to or read the ATtiny25 in the socket.   
> What am I doing wrong? (No manuals come with the dragon )-: )
> tom
>
In AVR Studio, In AVR  dragon prototype area, you see the headers side
and you see the zif socket side, the two sides are not connected. the
6-pin voltage = connect to the 20-pin header co-responding to the pin
of the exact pin on your 20-pin zif the jtag connect to the
corresponding MISO MOSI SCK and RST. The help tools and users guide
explains it all

Cat wrote:
> Don't you guys think that you are offensive to the rest of us?
>
>
>
> Make your choices, be happy with them, but stop that smugness.
>
>
>
> How often do you hear others using words like "garbage" or "$hit" about your 
> choices, even though we end up with more time writing code because we don't 
> need to waste any looking for ways to go around your problems?
>
>
>
> Have some common sense, be respectful.
>
>
>   
My views entirely

John Samperi wrote:
>
> At 01:26 PM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
> >I will **NEVER** pay Mickey$hit one thin DIME of my meager
> >money.
>
> So is your copy of Windows a pirate copy? Or are you running
> something OTHER than Windows? =-O
>
  Fair question.  NO, the copy of Windows 2000 Pro I have came with the 
computer I am running it on, which was inherited from a friend when he 
upgraded to new HArdware and XP.  So I have the manual, the ihstall CD 
and all, I just didn't PAY for it.

tom