Since I didn't know the nature of Mellotron I didn't know what to expect.
Now that I know I can say they are nice but definitely not my working style.
I'll try to upload my CZ bass patches soon (sorry I have work to
finish...).
It is actually a set of patches using a very characteristic bass sound that
I love the CZ for...but matched to different tastes and usable sound range.
In fact I should ask for some help here about how to extend the pitch range
of a CZ patch. Usually 3 octaves what are usable or I'm missing something
here...
To finish, the patches should be played on a 2 octave range and changing
patches changes the characteristics sound-wise to be musical and
interesting.
Might need some compressing, my audio interface's gain is fully
variable and I used a fair amount of gain if I remeber.
Enough talk, back to work and expect patches as sysex and SD library.
Regards:
Darth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Beck" <simon@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ patches
> Just as a matter of interest, has anyone tried any of my CZ patches? Any
comments? What do you think?
>
> Simon Beck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon Beck
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ patch conversion to VZ format
>
>
> One important element of the Mellotron is that it is effectively a
sampler without loops. You have the attack stage (essential for convincing
sounds, as the Roland D-50 proved 20 years later) and the 8-second-maximum
sustain/decay stage (depending on the actual instrument recorded), followed
by a dead cutoff, tempered only by the possible addition of a reverb unit.
There is no release phase, as this is also a dead cutoff. The result is that
the Mellotron MAKES you play it in a certain way to cover or exploit its
limitations. Reverb helps, but you still can't hold a note for more than 8
seconds, so you tend to stagger note attacks and releases when playing
chords, which covers the instantaneous release. Listen to "Days" by the
Kinks for a good example of chordal Mellotron "string" playing.
>
> Simon Beck
> London, UK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Summa
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ patch conversion to VZ format
>
>
> On 29 Jun 2004 at 16:45, steve_the_composer wrote:
>
> > (1) With the VZ envelope architecture, it should be possible to
> > manually design Mellotron-style patches.
>
> Not sure what the envelope has to do with this, even so I prefere
using multi
> stage envelopes...
>
> > (2) About 10 years ago, I started to explore a software design to
> > convert CZ patches to VZ architecture, but
> > --(a) early on I ran into problems with not being able to modify
> > white/pink noise on the VZ, and
> > --(b) it was more fruitful to recreate/approximate desired patches
by
> > hand (and more fun to create totally new sounds).
>
> Understabdable :-)
>
> > (3) If someone really wants to tackle automation of CZ patches for
> > the VZ:
> > --(a) I would think the first step is to design specifc VZ waveform
> algorithms that approximate the different CZ waveforms.
>
> Not that complicated except the duo ones, I did this for the FM7 and
VAZ Modular
> (not needed anymore since the VAZ now has hardcoded CZ-DCOs), should
be easy to
> convert to the VZ as well.
> Well, that would be the knowledge I could share for this project,
other than that
> I'm pretty busy...
>
> > --(b) The next step could be to standardize all the other VZ
> > parameters that have no counterpart on the CZ.
>
> Well, the major problem will be CZ parameters that don't have
Counterparts on the
> VZ, like the two pitch envelopes. The VZ is imho simply closer to the
DX than to
> the CZ...
>
> > --(c) Then, one might make correlation tables of what VZ values
mimic
> > CZ values for parameters where there is a counterpart.
> > --(d) Timbre envelope might be a problem since on the VZ you have to
> > do that using the line architecture and the DCAs.
>
> Well, another problem will be that the VZ base sound is completely
different...
>
> > I think it would be an excellent project given the renewed interest
> > in the CZ and VZ sound. Of course another good project might be to
> > develop a conversion process for other ROMpler-based synth engines.
> >
> > Finally, if anyone has figured out a way to simulate the filtering
of
> > noise on the VZ so you can do what the CZ architecture can, please
> > let me know.
>
> I think the noise is the least problem, I hardly did patches using
that parameter
> except a few drum sounds...
>
> ...Summa
>
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Re: [CZsynth] CZ patches
2004-06-30 by Darth