Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

On 24 Jan 2012 at 20:59, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:

> so you'd never sample the cz101 on a fz and go from there3?

So sampling a DX7 makes a DX7 out of a sampler? Not exactly! It's the 
same with a CZ101, you can't make true CZ sounds from scratch within 
a FZ-1. So if someone is planing to buy this great 80s sampler, I 
hope he isn't expecting to find a fully functional CZ101 within. This 
is all I wanted to make clear, since I'm not expecting or even 
planing to convince you. 
 
In the 80s I sampled a few of my CZ-1 sounds for a friend using his 
FZ-1, those days I wasn't able to afford a sampler myself. Anyway, 
when sampling a synth with a bit more realtime control abilities than 
a CZ101, more than just plane filtering or controling waveform 
balance, it loses quite some of its expression, so I'm not exactly a 
friend of sampling synthesizers. 

Even when sampling CZ101 sounds, when it comes to the more complex 
ones, like the already mentioned postfilter ringmod stuff, you'd have 
to sample almost every key to get close enough to the original sound, 
due to the time and formant shift when pitching a sample up or down. 
This can be as complicated as sampling an acoustic instrument, 
especially with limited memory and voices.

> displace the wave form and sub harmonize? amplitude for 0 to 1 ??
> 
> casios are good but not the same as  hand writen monologues.
> .periods are the same .

But they can do a lot more than just stacking and filtering 
waveforms. So it's not the envelopes alone that makes a CZ 
special/different compared to for instance analog/VA type synths.

> i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform  with mathmatics so i could
> write my own sample sysex sender ,

Try Soundforge, it has a built in offline FM-Synth and is able to 
sent sample data using the sample dump standard. Still, when it comes 
to velocity sensitive sounds, you would have to stack quite some 
layers to get even close to the nonlinear behaviour of an FM-Synth.

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