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Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-16 by narfman96

Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.

Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-17 by cliffe123

I sure want to know myself also and how they came a long way. This is like 24 years later ever since their last pro synths they made. Hope if this new one sells well then maybe as you mentioned down the road it's a pretty fair chance that they may revive the cz's or even the vz's once again. At least I hope and that would be nice for a change. In the mean time I'm sure looking out for this also since I can hardly wait myself.

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> Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-17 by Simon Beck

Don't get too excited about the prospects of Casio relaunching the CZ series. Here's why:

1986 - I'm 24, excited about synthesisers and thrilled to get my hands on something that can make strange noises, is easily programmed and doesn't break the bank

2012 - I'm 50 (hardly the target age for new synths). About 0.1% of 24-year-old keyboardists will have heard of CZ synths, 99% of the ones who HAVE heard of them will still just want to press a button marked "Piano" and record a loop. The remaining 1% will either be satisfied with the 21st-century version of virtual analogue or buy a vintage CZ on Ebay.

The Yamaha DX-7 was the synth that changed the face of music overnight. There has to be a reason why Yamaha hasn't launched a 21st-century DX-7... Oh, that's right. The "FM EP" preset button on every modern keyboard.

Call me a grumpy old man. Everyone else does...

Simon
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:37 AM
  Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  I sure want to know myself also and how they came a long way. This is like 24 years later ever since their last pro synths they made. Hope if this new one sells well then maybe as you mentioned down the road it's a pretty fair chance that they may revive the cz's or even the vz's once again. At least I hope and that would be nice for a change. In the mean time I'm sure looking out for this also since I can hardly wait myself.

  --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:
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  > Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
  >



  

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-17 by charlie 'chop' copp

you're sounding good simon , i'm a fan!

ever did a midi song writing with someone other than your self?

i work hard at synth and electronic music , all midi too ,

maybe the xw-pi will use cz sysex?
dream dream dream

charles



----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Beck" <simon@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


> Don't get too excited about the prospects of Casio relaunching the CZ
series. Here's why:
>
> 1986 - I'm 24, excited about synthesisers and thrilled to get my hands on
something that can make strange noises, is easily programmed and doesn't
break the bank
>
> 2012 - I'm 50 (hardly the target age for new synths). About 0.1% of
24-year-old keyboardists will have heard of CZ synths, 99% of the ones who
HAVE heard of them will still just want to press a button marked "Piano" and
record a loop. The remaining 1% will either be satisfied with the
21st-century version of virtual analogue or buy a vintage CZ on Ebay.
>
> The Yamaha DX-7 was the synth that changed the face of music overnight.
There has to be a reason why Yamaha hasn't launched a 21st-century DX-7...
Oh, that's right. The "FM EP" preset button on every modern keyboard.
>
> Call me a grumpy old man. Everyone else does...
>
> Simon
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: cliffe123
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:37 AM
>   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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>   I sure want to know myself also and how they came a long way. This is
like 24 years later ever since their last pro synths they made. Hope if this
new one sells well then maybe as you mentioned down the road it's a pretty
fair chance that they may revive the cz's or even the vz's once again. At
least I hope and that would be nice for a change. In the mean time I'm sure
looking out for this also since I can hardly wait myself.
>
>   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for
only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will
be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ
mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ
line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now
they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough
feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-18 by Simon Beck

I know I've posted it before, but here is a link to one of my 1980s bands, Mix It Up: http://www.alphabeck.co.uk/music/mix_it_up/ This was an electro-pop duo, with singer/songwriter Anthea Wormington.

In fact I never actually used MIDI in Mix It Up - this was all recorded live to tape, one instrument at a time. All keyboards apart from the grand piano and Fender Rhodes (both real) are either Casio CZ-101 or Casio CT-202. Bass guitar is real, drums are a Yamaha RX-21 drum machine.

Simon
  
  you're sounding good simon , i'm a fan!

  ever did a midi song writing with someone other than your self?

  i work hard at synth and electronic music , all midi too ,

  maybe the xw-pi will use cz sysex?
  dream dream dream

  charles


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-18 by Simon Beck

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  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  you're sounding good simon , i'm a fan!

  ever did a midi song writing with someone other than your self?

  i work hard at synth and electronic music , all midi too ,

  maybe the xw-pi will use cz sysex?
  dream dream dream

  charles

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Simon Beck" <simon@...>
  To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

  > Don't get too excited about the prospects of Casio relaunching the CZ
  series. Here's why:
  >
  > 1986 - I'm 24, excited about synthesisers and thrilled to get my hands on
  something that can make strange noises, is easily programmed and doesn't
  break the bank
  >
  > 2012 - I'm 50 (hardly the target age for new synths). About 0.1% of
  24-year-old keyboardists will have heard of CZ synths, 99% of the ones who
  HAVE heard of them will still just want to press a button marked "Piano" and
  record a loop. The remaining 1% will either be satisfied with the
  21st-century version of virtual analogue or buy a vintage CZ on Ebay.
  >
  > The Yamaha DX-7 was the synth that changed the face of music overnight.
  There has to be a reason why Yamaha hasn't launched a 21st-century DX-7...
  Oh, that's right. The "FM EP" preset button on every modern keyboard.
  >
  > Call me a grumpy old man. Everyone else does...
  >
  > Simon
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  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: cliffe123
  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:37 AM
  > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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  > I sure want to know myself also and how they came a long way. This is
  like 24 years later ever since their last pro synths they made. Hope if this
  new one sells well then maybe as you mentioned down the road it's a pretty
  fair chance that they may revive the cz's or even the vz's once again. At
  least I hope and that would be nice for a change. In the mean time I'm sure
  looking out for this also since I can hardly wait myself.
  >
  > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:
  > >
  > > Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for
  only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will
  be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ
  mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ
  line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now
  they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough
  feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
  > >
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Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-18 by fulfil_objective

This was the first I'd heard of it. Thanks for the alert!

What I think is interesting is not that Casio should return to PD synthesis, like some have said. Rather, that somebody should take today's technology and make some cheap but fun synthesizers.

Casio has already mass-produced enough cheap but playable keyboards. Instead of romplers, make a cheap synthesizer audio engine! Match it up with some cheap digital sliders, throw it in a cheap unbreakable plastic case. With today's tech, and Casio's production, you could do a lot.

I hope this XW-P1 turns out to be useable or fun.


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> Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
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SV: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-19 by KW

not much happend here by midnight, casiomusicgear.com

i had good expentations

fake casio i belive



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 Från: Simon Beck <simon@...>
Till: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Skickat: onsdag, 18 januari 2012 8:49
Ämne: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: charlie 'chop' copp 
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

you're sounding good simon , i'm a fan!

ever did a midi song writing with someone other than your self?

i work hard at synth and electronic music , all midi too ,

maybe the xw-pi will use cz sysex?
dream dream dream

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Beck" <simon@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

> Don't get too excited about the prospects of Casio relaunching the CZ
series. Here's why:
>
> 1986 - I'm 24, excited about synthesisers and thrilled to get my hands on
something that can make strange noises, is easily programmed and doesn't
break the bank
>
> 2012 - I'm 50 (hardly the target age for new synths). About 0.1% of
24-year-old keyboardists will have heard of CZ synths, 99% of the ones who
HAVE heard of them will still just want to press a button marked "Piano" and
record a loop. The remaining 1% will either be satisfied with the
21st-century version of virtual analogue or buy a vintage CZ on Ebay.
>
> The Yamaha DX-7 was the synth that changed the face of music overnight.
There has to be a reason why Yamaha hasn't launched a 21st-century DX-7...
Oh, that's right. The "FM EP" preset button on every modern keyboard.
>
> Call me a grumpy old man. Everyone else does...
>
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cliffe123
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:37 AM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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> I sure want to know myself also and how they came a long way. This is
like 24 years later ever since their last pro synths they made. Hope if this
new one sells well then maybe as you mentioned down the road it's a pretty
fair chance that they may revive the cz's or even the vz's once again. At
least I hope and that would be nice for a change. In the mean time I'm sure
looking out for this also since I can hardly wait myself.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for
only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will
be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ
mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ
line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now
they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough
feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
> >
>
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-19 by Wilson Zorn

http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2012-casio-xw-p1-and-xw-g1-synths-announced-525181
looks encouraging.

It may not be a PD device, although I don't know enough about this
"Hex Layer" synthesis; I note a lot of familiar synth controls but
nothing clearly indicating how PD concepts might have been evolved.
However, the fact that they are "including wave data from the CZ
series" and highlighting this might mean they've ported some ways of
synthesizing.  If not, at least you've got a lot of classic CZ sounds
sampled!
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:53 AM, KW <memtechlist@...> wrote:
> not much happend here by midnight, casiomusicgear.com
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> i had good expentations
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> fake casio i belive
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>  Från: Simon Beck <simon@...>
> Till: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Skickat: onsdag, 18 januari 2012 8:49
> Ämne: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: charlie 'chop' copp
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
> you're sounding good simon , i'm a fan!
>
> ever did a midi song writing with someone other than your self?
>
> i work hard at synth and electronic music , all midi too ,
>
> maybe the xw-pi will use cz sysex?
> dream dream dream
>
> charles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Beck" <simon@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>> Don't get too excited about the prospects of Casio relaunching the CZ
> series. Here's why:
>>
>> 1986 - I'm 24, excited about synthesisers and thrilled to get my hands on
> something that can make strange noises, is easily programmed and doesn't
> break the bank
>>
>> 2012 - I'm 50 (hardly the target age for new synths). About 0.1% of
> 24-year-old keyboardists will have heard of CZ synths, 99% of the ones who
> HAVE heard of them will still just want to press a button marked "Piano" and
> record a loop. The remaining 1% will either be satisfied with the
> 21st-century version of virtual analogue or buy a vintage CZ on Ebay.
>>
>> The Yamaha DX-7 was the synth that changed the face of music overnight.
> There has to be a reason why Yamaha hasn't launched a 21st-century DX-7...
> Oh, that's right. The "FM EP" preset button on every modern keyboard.
>>
>> Call me a grumpy old man. Everyone else does...
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: cliffe123
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:37 AM
>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>
>>
>>
>> I sure want to know myself also and how they came a long way. This is
> like 24 years later ever since their last pro synths they made. Hope if this
> new one sells well then maybe as you mentioned down the road it's a pretty
> fair chance that they may revive the cz's or even the vz's once again. At
> least I hope and that would be nice for a change. In the mean time I'm sure
> looking out for this also since I can hardly wait myself.
>>
>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey, is anyone here eyeing the upcoming release of the Casio XW-P1 for
> only $700.00 US. So far the details are sketchy but Casio is saying it will
> be a virtual analog with PCM and external audio. It also has a drawbar organ
> mode. All the blogs I've read lament the death of the PD used in the CZ
> line. Casio has seen the how well all the virtual synths sell and now
> they're on the bandwagon. Maybe down the road they'll listen to enough
> feedback from the masses and resurrect the CZ line.
>> >
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by Jan Hudak

NAMM2012 update ;-D

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370


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http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by Simon Beck

Well, here's one grumpy old man who spoke too soon. It appears that at least 
the monosynth section features waveforms taken from (among others) the CZ 
series of synths. Not sure if you can use them in the poly section, or 
indeed how close to a CZ they will sound after true filtering rather than PD 
modulation.

Simon

> Don't get too excited about the prospects of Casio relaunching the CZ 
> series.[...] Call me a grumpy old man. Everyone else does...

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by Daniel Forró

As far as they explained it's only rough combination, mix of 6  
different sounds sources on the keyboard in splits and layers. Maybe  
there will be also velocity layers or zone crossfades. Some kind of  
algorithms for interactive modulation (FM, AM, RM or CM) between  
layers probably can't be expected. Let's see later after manual will  
be downloadable from Casio website.

Daniel Forro
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:19 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:

> It may not be a PD device, although I don't know enough about this
> "Hex Layer" synthesis; I note a lot of familiar synth controls but
> nothing clearly indicating how PD concepts might have been evolved.

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by Jan Hudak

Check also video from NAMM:

http://www.keyboardmag.com/video.aspx?bctid=1405529246001�ion=Gear&bclid=27965002001


Jan


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To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
 

  
As far as they explained it's only rough combination, mix of 6 
different sounds sources on the keyboard in splits and layers. Maybe 
there will be also velocity layers or zone crossfades. Some kind of 
algorithms for interactive modulation (FM, AM, RM or CM) between 
layers probably can't be expected. Let's see later after manual will 
be downloadable from Casio website.

Daniel Forro

On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:19 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:

> It may not be a PD device, although I don't know enough about this
> "Hex Layer" synthesis; I note a lot of familiar synth controls but
> nothing clearly indicating how PD concepts might have been evolved.


 

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by Jason Adkins

Hi,

Thant looks quite an interesting product,certainly a bit  
different,reminds me a bit of those hydrid synth/string machines/organ  
things from the seventies/early eighties like the Arp Quadra/Omni  
2,Moog Opus3/Polymoog and those Crumar things but for the new  
millenium,I guess a lot depends on the price.

Jason
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> NAMM2012 update ;-D
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> http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
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> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by charlie 'chop' copp

here is what i found , and after the video , there are multiple other links
and demo clips

http://www.casiomusicgear.com/home/index.html

mono?
is it multi trimbal????(midi play mode?)
seems to suggest it , since just one drum loop
in mono would be very poor thing.

charles
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Check also video from NAMM:

http://www.keyboardmag.com/video.aspx?bctid=1405529246001�ion=Gear&bclid
=27965002001


Jan


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To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...



As far as they explained it's only rough combination, mix of 6
different sounds sources on the keyboard in splits and layers. Maybe
there will be also velocity layers or zone crossfades. Some kind of
algorithms for interactive modulation (FM, AM, RM or CM) between
layers probably can't be expected. Let's see later after manual will
be downloadable from Casio website.

Daniel Forro

On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:19 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:

> It may not be a PD device, although I don't know enough about this
> "Hex Layer" synthesis; I note a lot of familiar synth controls but
> nothing clearly indicating how PD concepts might have been evolved.




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2012-01-23 by Wilson Zorn

What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds.  I have a number of
custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
these synths.  I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
unit.
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>
>
> ---
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> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by jammie

i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
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  From: Wilson Zorn 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
  unit.

  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
  >
  > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
  >
  >
  > ---
  >
  >
  > ________________________________
  >  From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-23 by Wilson Zorn

I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope!  :)   I'm hoping
more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
(given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
new boxes).

Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited.  I would imagine the memory can be
expanded, though.  What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
have both in one.  I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Wilson Zorn
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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>
>  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
>  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
>  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
>  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
>  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
>  unit.
>
>  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
>  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
>  >
>  > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>  >
>  >
>  > ---
>  >
>  >
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>  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by jammie

plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is rubbish

there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the playback engine

also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy

comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the market

im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples

they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that in an editor

its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete but  if it had biggewr sample internal memory

would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm

pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes

my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
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  From: Wilson Zorn 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
  more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
  SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
  (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
  new boxes).

  Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory can be
  expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
  and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
  bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
  have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
  it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).

  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
  >
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Wilson Zorn
  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >
  >
  >
  >  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
  >  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
  >  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
  >  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
  >  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
  >  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
  >  unit.
  >
  >  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
  >  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
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  >  >
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  >  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
  >  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by charlie 'chop' copp

well wilson , if its a casio sampler than the argument is , just buy a
fz-10m , its the sample with a bunch of extras ,

like a cz in side too!

charles
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From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope!  :)   I'm hoping
more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
(given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
new boxes).

Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited.  I would imagine the memory can be
expanded, though.  What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
have both in one.  I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...>
wrote:
> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilson Zorn
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
>
> What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
> custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
> on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
> these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
> actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
> the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
> unit.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
> > NAMM2012 update ;-D
> >
> >
http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-
from-casio/147370
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jos\ufffd \ufffdngel Morente <msxjam@...>
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Wilson Zorn

Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
, I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
take as the stored wave bits.  The 10 bits refers to the A/D
converter, the way I read this.
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is rubbish
>
> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the playback engine
>
> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
>
> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the market
>
> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
>
> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that in an editor
>
> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete but  if it had biggewr sample internal memory
>
> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
>
> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
>
> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Wilson Zorn
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
>
>  I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
>  more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
>  SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
>  (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
>  new boxes).
>
>  Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory can be
>  expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
>  and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
>  bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
>  have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
>  it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>
>  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>  > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
>  >
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: Wilson Zorn
>  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
>  >  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
>  >  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>  >  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
>  >  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
>  >  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
>  >  unit.
>  >
>  >  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
>  >  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
>  >  >
>  >  > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>  >  >
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>  >  >
>  >  > ________________________________
>  >  >  From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
>  >  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by charlie 'chop' copp

one of us are going o have to buy this and give the rest of the group "first
hand" word of mouth about it

i dislike this bouncing of second hand  knowledge

so whos up for it?

charles
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From: "Daniel Forr\ufffd" <dan.for@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


I'd suppose 16 bit user samples can be imported from SD card. If the
only way would be to record samples through 10 bit ADC, how we could
get announced 16 bit resolution?

Daniel Forro

On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, jammie wrote:

> when asked about samples and adding your own
>
> the synth guy said the only way to get samples of user samples was
> through the external input which is 10bits so your user samples
> will be only 10bits and only 10 locations
>
> the internal samples are 16bit but you cant add to those so they
> are rom samples
>
> user ones are 10bits as thats the only way to get them into the
> machine
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Daniel Forr\ufffd
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:04 AM
>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
>
>   Exactly, 10 bit resolution is for external audio input. Sampler uses
>   16 bit, and non standard 42 kHz SR.
>
>   Daniel Forro
>
>   On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:
>
>> Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/
>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
>> , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits
>> which I
>> take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
>> converter, the way I read this.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie
>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10
>>> slots is rubbish
>>>
>>> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be
>>> better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the
>>> playback engine
>>>
>>> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
>>>
>>> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the
>>> market
>>>
>>> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no
>>> editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
>>>
>>> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that
>>> in an editor
>>>
>>> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete
>>> but if it had biggewr sample internal memory
>>>
>>> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built
>>> in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of
>>> the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
>>>
>>> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket
>>> would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
>>>
>>> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of
>>> them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when
>>> you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Wilson Zorn
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
>>> more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to
>>> interpret the
>>> SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
>>> (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds
>>> into the
>>> new boxes).
>>>
>>> Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory
>>> can be
>>> expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
>>> and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
>>> bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be
>>> handy to
>>> have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
>>> it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie
>>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user
>>> samples mad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Wilson Zorn
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a
>>> number of
>>>> custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not
>>> virtually all
>>>> on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>>>> these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms
>>> of an
>>>> actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that
>>> could take
>>>> the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/
>>> recreate on the
>>>> unit.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak
>>> <jahumaster@...> wrote:
>>>>> NAMM2012 update ;-D
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-
>>> professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Jos\ufffd \ufffdngel Morente <msxjam@...>
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by jammie

the internal samples are 16bit but the audio input samples at 10bits thats what the a/d convertor is so it can only sample at that many bits it cant do 16bit samples 

and not at cd quality either and the input is for mic or ipad/iphone

and at namm it said it was a mono synth but the guy was playing polyphonicolly

and you cant have a mono organ it needs chords for the swirly type sounds

it might be a typo on the specks
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  From: Wilson Zorn 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
  , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
  take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
  converter, the way I read this.

  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  > plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is rubbish
  >
  > there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the playback engine
  >
  > also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
  >
  > comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the market
  >
  > im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
  >
  > they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that in an editor
  >
  > its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete but  if it had biggewr sample internal memory
  >
  > would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
  >
  > pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
  >
  > my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Wilson Zorn
  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >
  >
  >
  >  I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
  >  more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
  >  SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
  >  (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
  >  new boxes).
  >
  >  Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory can be
  >  expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
  >  and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
  >  bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
  >  have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
  >  it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
  >
  >  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >  > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  >  From: Wilson Zorn
  >  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
  >  >  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
  >  >  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
  >  >  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
  >  >  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
  >  >  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
  >  >  unit.
  >  >
  >  >  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@yahoo.com> wrote:
  >  >  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
  >  >  >
  >  >  > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Daniel Forró

Exactly, 10 bit resolution is for external audio input. Sampler uses  
16 bit, and non standard 42 kHz SR.

Daniel Forro
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On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:

> Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/ 
> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
> , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
> take as the stored wave bits.  The 10 bits refers to the A/D
> converter, the way I read this.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie  
> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10  
>> slots is rubbish
>>
>> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be  
>> better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the  
>> playback engine
>>
>> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
>>
>> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the  
>> market
>>
>> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no  
>> editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
>>
>> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that  
>> in an editor
>>
>> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete  
>> but  if it had biggewr sample internal memory
>>
>> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built  
>> in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of  
>> the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
>>
>> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket  
>> would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
>>
>> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of  
>> them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when  
>> you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Wilson Zorn
>>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>
>>
>>
>>  I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
>>  more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to  
>> interpret the
>>  SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
>>  (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds  
>> into the
>>  new boxes).
>>
>>  Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory  
>> can be
>>  expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
>>  and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
>>  bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be  
>> handy to
>>  have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
>>  it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>>
>>  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie  
>> <jammie.emma@....uk> wrote:
>>  > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user  
>> samples mad
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>>  >  From: Wilson Zorn
>>  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>>  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a  
>> number of
>>  >  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not  
>> virtually all
>>  >  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>>  >  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms  
>> of an
>>  >  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that  
>> could take
>>  >  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/ 
>> recreate on the
>>  >  unit.
>>  >
>>  >  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak  
>> <jahumaster@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  >  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
>>  >  >
>>  >  > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new- 
>> professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > ---
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > ________________________________
>>  >  >  From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@gmail.com>
>>  >  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>  >  > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>>  >  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/ 
>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by jammie

when asked about samples and adding your own

the synth guy said the only way to get samples of user samples was through the external input which is 10bits so your user samples will be only 10bits and only 10 locations

the internal samples are 16bit but you cant add to those so they are rom samples

user ones are 10bits as thats the only way to get them into the machine
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  Exactly, 10 bit resolution is for external audio input. Sampler uses 
  16 bit, and non standard 42 kHz SR.

  Daniel Forro

  On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:

  > Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/ 
  > 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
  > , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
  > take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
  > converter, the way I read this.
  >
  > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie 
  > <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 
  >> slots is rubbish
  >>
  >> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be 
  >> better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the 
  >> playback engine
  >>
  >> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
  >>
  >> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the 
  >> market
  >>
  >> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no 
  >> editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
  >>
  >> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that 
  >> in an editor
  >>
  >> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete 
  >> but if it had biggewr sample internal memory
  >>
  >> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built 
  >> in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of 
  >> the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
  >>
  >> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket 
  >> would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
  >>
  >> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of 
  >> them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when 
  >> you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: Wilson Zorn
  >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
  >> more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to 
  >> interpret the
  >> SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
  >> (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds 
  >> into the
  >> new boxes).
  >>
  >> Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory 
  >> can be
  >> expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
  >> and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
  >> bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be 
  >> handy to
  >> have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
  >> it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
  >>
  >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie 
  >> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >> > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user 
  >> samples mad
  >> >
  >> >
  >> > ----- Original Message -----
  >> > From: Wilson Zorn
  >> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
  >> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >> >
  >> >
  >> >
  >> > What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a 
  >> number of
  >> > custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not 
  >> virtually all
  >> > on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
  >> > these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms 
  >> of an
  >> > actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that 
  >> could take
  >> > the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/ 
  >> recreate on the
  >> > unit.
  >> >
  >> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak 
  >> <jahumaster@...> wrote:
  >> > > NAMM2012 update ;-D
  >> > >
  >> > > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new- 
  >> professional-synths-from-casio/147370
  >> > >
  >> > >
  >> > > ---
  >> > >
  >> > >
  >> > > ________________________________
  >> > > From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
  >> > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >> > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
  >> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >> > >
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  >> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Daniel Forró

I'd suppose 16 bit user samples can be imported from SD card. If the  
only way would be to record samples through 10 bit ADC, how we could  
get announced 16 bit resolution?

Daniel Forro
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On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, jammie wrote:

> when asked about samples and adding your own
>
> the synth guy said the only way to get samples of user samples was  
> through the external input which is 10bits so your user samples  
> will be only 10bits and only 10 locations
>
> the internal samples are 16bit but you cant add to those so they  
> are rom samples
>
> user ones are 10bits as thats the only way to get them into the  
> machine
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Daniel Forró
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:04 AM
>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
>
>   Exactly, 10 bit resolution is for external audio input. Sampler uses
>   16 bit, and non standard 42 kHz SR.
>
>   Daniel Forro
>
>   On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:
>
>> Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/
>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
>> , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits  
>> which I
>> take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
>> converter, the way I read this.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie
>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10
>>> slots is rubbish
>>>
>>> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be
>>> better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the
>>> playback engine
>>>
>>> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
>>>
>>> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the
>>> market
>>>
>>> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no
>>> editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
>>>
>>> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that
>>> in an editor
>>>
>>> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete
>>> but if it had biggewr sample internal memory
>>>
>>> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built
>>> in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of
>>> the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
>>>
>>> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket
>>> would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
>>>
>>> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of
>>> them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when
>>> you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Wilson Zorn
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
>>> more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to
>>> interpret the
>>> SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
>>> (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds
>>> into the
>>> new boxes).
>>>
>>> Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory
>>> can be
>>> expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
>>> and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
>>> bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be
>>> handy to
>>> have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
>>> it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie
>>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user
>>> samples mad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Wilson Zorn
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a
>>> number of
>>>> custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not
>>> virtually all
>>>> on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>>>> these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms
>>> of an
>>>> actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that
>>> could take
>>>> the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/
>>> recreate on the
>>>> unit.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak
>>> <jahumaster@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> NAMM2012 update ;-D
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-
>>> professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/
>>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
>>>>>
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Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by fulfil_objective

I was thinking the same thing. Someone needs to go ahead and buy one. $499.99 at sweetwater.com:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XWP1/

Free shipping.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, charlie 'chop' copp <charles.copp@...> wrote:
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>
> one of us are going o have to buy this and give the rest of the group "first
> hand" word of mouth about it
> 
> i dislike this bouncing of second hand  knowledge
> 
> so whos up for it?
> 
> charles
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Forró" <dan.for@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> 
> 
> I'd suppose 16 bit user samples can be imported from SD card. If the
> only way would be to record samples through 10 bit ADC, how we could
> get announced 16 bit resolution?
> 
> Daniel Forro
> 
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, jammie wrote:
> 
> > when asked about samples and adding your own
> >
> > the synth guy said the only way to get samples of user samples was
> > through the external input which is 10bits so your user samples
> > will be only 10bits and only 10 locations
> >
> > the internal samples are 16bit but you cant add to those so they
> > are rom samples
> >
> > user ones are 10bits as thats the only way to get them into the
> > machine
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Daniel Forró
> >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:04 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >
> >
> >
> >   Exactly, 10 bit resolution is for external audio input. Sampler uses
> >   16 bit, and non standard 42 kHz SR.
> >
> >   Daniel Forro
> >
> >   On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:
> >
> >> Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/
> >> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
> >> , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits
> >> which I
> >> take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
> >> converter, the way I read this.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie
> >> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> >>> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10
> >>> slots is rubbish
> >>>
> >>> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be
> >>> better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the
> >>> playback engine
> >>>
> >>> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
> >>>
> >>> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the
> >>> market
> >>>
> >>> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no
> >>> editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
> >>>
> >>> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that
> >>> in an editor
> >>>
> >>> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete
> >>> but if it had biggewr sample internal memory
> >>>
> >>> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built
> >>> in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of
> >>> the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
> >>>
> >>> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket
> >>> would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
> >>>
> >>> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of
> >>> them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when
> >>> you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Wilson Zorn
> >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
> >>> more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to
> >>> interpret the
> >>> SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
> >>> (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds
> >>> into the
> >>> new boxes).
> >>>
> >>> Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory
> >>> can be
> >>> expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
> >>> and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
> >>> bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be
> >>> handy to
> >>> have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
> >>> it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie
> >>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> >>>> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user
> >>> samples mad
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Wilson Zorn
> >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a
> >>> number of
> >>>> custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not
> >>> virtually all
> >>>> on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
> >>>> these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms
> >>> of an
> >>>> actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that
> >>> could take
> >>>> the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/
> >>> recreate on the
> >>>> unit.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak
> >>> <jahumaster@...> wrote:
> >>>>> NAMM2012 update ;-D
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-
> >>> professional-synths-from-casio/147370
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
> >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Daniel Forró

Maybe 16 bit samples can be achieved only by sampling internal  
sounds, patterns and sequences.

A/D input is for external signal, but maybe not for sampling, just  
for processing. This way they describe it.

This all is of course only on XW-G1, not XW-P1 in subject...

Let's wait when Owner's manual will be online to download.

Daniel Forro
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On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:

> I'd suppose 16 bit user samples can be imported from SD card. If the
> only way would be to record samples through 10 bit ADC, how we could
> get announced 16 bit resolution?
>
> Daniel Forro

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Wilson Zorn

My point was just that as it stores in 16 bit you should be able to
edit it/use it normally.  As you say it's odd they chose that,
assuming it's not a typo.

The way I hear/read the "mono synth" line, I think it just refers to
how they're doing multiple mono voices and that they are promoting
their mono voice expressiveness (if you see a bunch of the
articles/their promo stuff they seem big on that).  Note it is
polyphonic, as you say; I suspect they stack mono lines to create
polyphony much as before, what with the 1-32 poly for some tones as it
says.
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:03 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> the internal samples are 16bit but the audio input samples at 10bits thats what the a/d convertor is so it can only sample at that many bits it cant do 16bit samples
>
> and not at cd quality either and the input is for mic or ipad/iphone
>
> and at namm it said it was a mono synth but the guy was playing polyphonicolly
>
> and you cant have a mono organ it needs chords for the swirly type sounds
>
> it might be a typo on the specks
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Wilson Zorn
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:48 AM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
>
>  Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
>  , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
>  take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
>  converter, the way I read this.
>
>  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>  > plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is rubbish
>  >
>  > there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the playback engine
>  >
>  > also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
>  >
>  > comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the market
>  >
>  > im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
>  >
>  > they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that in an editor
>  >
>  > its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete but  if it had biggewr sample internal memory
>  >
>  > would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
>  >
>  > pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
>  >
>  > my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: Wilson Zorn
>  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
>  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
>  >  more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
>  >  SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
>  >  (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
>  >  new boxes).
>  >
>  >  Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory can be
>  >  expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
>  >  and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
>  >  bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
>  >  have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
>  >  it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>  >
>  >  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>  >  > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  >  From: Wilson Zorn
>  >  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  >  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>  >  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
>  >  >  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
>  >  >  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>  >  >  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
>  >  >  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
>  >  >  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
>  >  >  unit.
>  >  >
>  >  >  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
>  >  >  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > ---
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > ________________________________
>  >  >  >  From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
>  >  >  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  >  >  > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>  >  >  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>  >  >  >
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Wilson Zorn

Sure, except it'd be nicer to have something updated and also that
won't be vintage to take out for playing.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM, charlie 'chop' copp
<charles.copp@...> wrote:
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> well wilson , if its a casio sampler than the argument is , just buy a
> fz-10m , its the sample with a bunch of extras ,
>
> like a cz in side too!
>
> charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
> I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope!  :)   I'm hoping
> more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
> SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
> (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
> new boxes).
>
> Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited.  I would imagine the memory can be
> expanded, though.  What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
> and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
> bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
> have both in one.  I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
> it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...>
> wrote:
>> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Wilson Zorn
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>
>>
>>
>> What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
>> custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
>> on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>> these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
>> actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
>> the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
>> unit.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
>> > NAMM2012 update ;-D
>> >
>> >
> http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-
> from-casio/147370
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
>> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
> http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.
> pdf
>> >
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Wilson Zorn

Assuming it passes the sniff test on trying it out, I will get the
performance one but really looks like not until late February at the
earliest, more likely as late as April.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:52 PM, charlie 'chop' copp
<charles.copp@...> wrote:
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> one of us are going o have to buy this and give the rest of the group "first
> hand" word of mouth about it
>
> i dislike this bouncing of second hand  knowledge
>
> so whos up for it?
>
> charles
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Forró" <dan.for@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
> I'd suppose 16 bit user samples can be imported from SD card. If the
> only way would be to record samples through 10 bit ADC, how we could
> get announced 16 bit resolution?
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, jammie wrote:
>
>> when asked about samples and adding your own
>>
>> the synth guy said the only way to get samples of user samples was
>> through the external input which is 10bits so your user samples
>> will be only 10bits and only 10 locations
>>
>> the internal samples are 16bit but you cant add to those so they
>> are rom samples
>>
>> user ones are 10bits as thats the only way to get them into the
>> machine
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Daniel Forró
>>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:04 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>
>>
>>
>>   Exactly, 10 bit resolution is for external audio input. Sampler uses
>>   16 bit, and non standard 42 kHz SR.
>>
>>   Daniel Forro
>>
>>   On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Wilson Zorn wrote:
>>
>>> Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/
>>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
>>> , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits
>>> which I
>>> take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
>>> converter, the way I read this.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie
>>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10
>>>> slots is rubbish
>>>>
>>>> there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be
>>>> better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the
>>>> playback engine
>>>>
>>>> also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
>>>>
>>>> comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the
>>>> market
>>>>
>>>> im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no
>>>> editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
>>>>
>>>> they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that
>>>> in an editor
>>>>
>>>> its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete
>>>> but if it had biggewr sample internal memory
>>>>
>>>> would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built
>>>> in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of
>>>> the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
>>>>
>>>> pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket
>>>> would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
>>>>
>>>> my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of
>>>> them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when
>>>> you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Wilson Zorn
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
>>>> more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to
>>>> interpret the
>>>> SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
>>>> (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds
>>>> into the
>>>> new boxes).
>>>>
>>>> Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory
>>>> can be
>>>> expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
>>>> and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
>>>> bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be
>>>> handy to
>>>> have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
>>>> it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie
>>>> <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>>> i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user
>>>> samples mad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Wilson Zorn
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a
>>>> number of
>>>>> custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not
>>>> virtually all
>>>>> on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
>>>>> these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms
>>>> of an
>>>>> actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that
>>>> could take
>>>>> the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/
>>>> recreate on the
>>>>> unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak
>>>> <jahumaster@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> NAMM2012 update ;-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-
>>>> professional-synths-from-casio/147370
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/
>>>> 20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Simon Beck

As I understand it, the new Casio has four modes:

!. Drawbar organ
2. Monosynth, allowing up to 5 virtual oscillators plus external input
3. Layer mode, allowing up to 6 layers, but no true synth parameters.
4 Step sequencer mode (including drums)

These can be combined in various ways, including ,ultiple splits.

But I may be wrong.

Simon
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  From: Wilson Zorn 
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


    
  My point was just that as it stores in 16 bit you should be able to
  edit it/use it normally. As you say it's odd they chose that,
  assuming it's not a typo.

  The way I hear/read the "mono synth" line, I think it just refers to
  how they're doing multiple mono voices and that they are promoting
  their mono voice expressiveness (if you see a bunch of the
  articles/their promo stuff they seem big on that). Note it is
  polyphonic, as you say; I suspect they stack mono lines to create
  polyphony much as before, what with the 1-32 poly for some tones as it
  says.

  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:03 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  > the internal samples are 16bit but the audio input samples at 10bits thats what the a/d convertor is so it can only sample at that many bits it cant do 16bit samples
  >
  > and not at cd quality either and the input is for mic or ipad/iphone
  >
  > and at namm it said it was a mono synth but the guy was playing polyphonicolly
  >
  > and you cant have a mono organ it needs chords for the swirly type sounds
  >
  > it might be a typo on the specks
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Wilson Zorn
  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:48 AM
  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >
  >
  >
  >  Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
  >  , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
  >  take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
  >  converter, the way I read this.
  >
  >  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >  > plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is rubbish
  >  >
  >  > there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the playback engine
  >  >
  >  > also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
  >  >
  >  > comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the market
  >  >
  >  > im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
  >  >
  >  > they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that in an editor
  >  >
  >  > its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete but  if it had biggewr sample internal memory
  >  >
  >  > would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
  >  >
  >  > pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
  >  >
  >  > my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  >  From: Wilson Zorn
  >  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
  >  >  more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
  >  >  SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
  >  >  (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
  >  >  new boxes).
  >  >
  >  >  Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory can be
  >  >  expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
  >  >  and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
  >  >  bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
  >  >  have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
  >  >  it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
  >  >
  >  >  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >  >  > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  >  >  From: Wilson Zorn
  >  >  >  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
  >  >  >  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
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  >  >  >
  >  >  >  What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
  >  >  >  custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
  >  >  >  on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
  >  >  >  these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
  >  >  >  actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
  >  >  >  the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
  >  >  >  unit.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
  >  >  >  > NAMM2012 update ;-D
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SV: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by KW

something's telling me casio is about 10-12 years behind, they could easally have done this in 1998-2000 . . . nothing new really! :=/


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Skickat: tisdag, 24 januari 2012 9:06
Ämne: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


  
As I understand it, the new Casio has four modes:

!. Drawbar organ
2. Monosynth, allowing up to 5 virtual oscillators plus external input
3. Layer mode, allowing up to 6 layers, but no true synth parameters.
4 Step sequencer mode (including drums)

These can be combined in various ways, including ,ultiple splits.

But I may be wrong.

Simon
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wilson Zorn 
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

My point was just that as it stores in 16 bit you should be able to
edit it/use it normally. As you say it's odd they chose that,
assuming it's not a typo.

The way I hear/read the "mono synth" line, I think it just refers to
how they're doing multiple mono voices and that they are promoting
their mono voice expressiveness (if you see a bunch of the
articles/their promo stuff they seem big on that). Note it is
polyphonic, as you say; I suspect they stack mono lines to create
polyphony much as before, what with the 1-32 poly for some tones as it
says.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:03 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> the internal samples are 16bit but the audio input samples at 10bits thats what the a/d convertor is so it can only sample at that many bits it cant do 16bit samples
>
> and not at cd quality either and the input is for mic or ipad/iphone
>
> and at namm it said it was a mono synth but the guy was playing polyphonicolly
>
> and you cant have a mono organ it needs chords for the swirly type sounds
>
> it might be a typo on the specks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilson Zorn
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
>
>
>
> Referring to http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
> , I THINK that it indicates that the "quantization" is 16 bits which I
> take as the stored wave bits. The 10 bits refers to the A/D
> converter, the way I read this.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@....uk> wrote:
> > plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is rubbish
> >
> > there is plenty of external storage so i think this would be better with 1 shot samples like the fz1 but it depends on the playback engine
> >
> > also i noticed on the specs it only sample in at 10bits thats crazy
> >
> > comming from the first manufacturer to bring 16bit samplers to the market
> >
> > im all for low bit sampling but 10bits is a wierd format and no editor that i know of has the ability to do 10bit samples
> >
> > they should of done it 8bits at least you would be able todo that in an editor
> >
> > its good price tho and it sounded good it has plenty of pallete but if it had biggewr sample internal memory
> >
> > would of been better plus have the cz101 and vz1 synthesis built in in software as the vsti does but with sysex implimentation of the old synths and they would of took the synth community by storm
> >
> > pd synthesis with pcm like the sy99 and sy77 at that price bracket would of been amazing and that would sell like hot cakes
> >
> > my sy99 i can use all the dz7 library and put samples in 60 of them into memory and they are in flash memory so are there when you switch on and you can fm the carrier with the pcm
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wilson Zorn
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree it doesn't look likely, but will still hope! :) I'm hoping
> > more there's some technical wizardry that can be done to interpret the
> > SysEx into the format that the new synth line is using effectively
> > (given they had to do something similar to get the old sounds into the
> > new boxes).
> >
> > Re the sampler, yeah, it's limited. I would imagine the memory can be
> > expanded, though. What bugs me is they didn't put the hex technology
> > and drawbars into the sampler and just make the sampler a
> > bigger/better version of the performance one, as it would be handy to
> > have both in one. I already know I'll go for the performance box (if
> > it lives up to my expectations on trying it out, that is).
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > > i dont think so and the sample storage is rubbish 10 user samples mad
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wilson Zorn
> > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What I'm hoping is some way to port old CZ sounds. I have a number of
> > > custom CZ sounds I've made - like I'm sure most if not virtually all
> > > on this list have - and would love to be able to load onto one of
> > > these synths. I realize the sample unit would do it in terms of an
> > > actual sample, naturally, but I'd hope for something that could take
> > > the SysEx and (at least reasonably) faithfully rebuild/recreate on the
> > > unit.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jan Hudak <jahumaster@...> wrote:
> > > > NAMM2012 update ;-D
> > > >
> > > > http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/new-year-new-era-new-professional-synths-from-casio/147370
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
> > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:20 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> > > >
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> > > > http://www.casio-intl.com/file/news/pdf/XWseries/20120119_XW_Specifications.pdf
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by José Ángel Morente

On Jan 24, 2012 1:13 AM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> plenty of storage but if you want todo big multisamples then 10 slots is
rubbish
>

The sampler on the new Casio is not intented to be a sampler for playing
multisamples in the manner of a FZ1, a S1100 or a rompler synth. It is
DJ-oriented, so we have to expect a sort of Roland SP-404 or phrase-sampler
here.


JaM.


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by José Ángel Morente

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Simon Beck <simon@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> As I understand it, the new Casio has four modes:
>
> !. Drawbar organ
> 2. Monosynth, allowing up to 5 virtual oscillators plus external input
> 3. Layer mode, allowing up to 6 layers, but no true synth parameters.
> 4 Step sequencer mode (including drums)
>
5 PCM Synth, using a 2000+ waveforms table, filters, envelopes, etc.


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by charlie 'chop' copp

not the xw-p1 has a cz inside ,, the fz-10m has cz inside

charles


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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 AM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


> Synthesis features but no CZ inside, don't create another urban myth
please.
>
> Thanx!
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, charlie 'chop' copp <charles.copp@...>
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> > like a cz in side too!
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Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by flotorian

Synthesis features but no CZ inside, don't create another urban myth please.

Thanx!

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> like a cz in side too!
> 
> charles

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Summa

Ooops wrong thread, was refereing to the FZ-1 thread, since I had to 
use the web interface. 

On 24 Jan 2012 at 14:55, flotorian wrote:

> Synthesis features but no CZ inside, don't create another urban myth
> please.
> 
> Thanx!
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, charlie 'chop' copp <charles.copp@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > like a cz in side too!
> > 
> > charles
> 
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by José Ángel Morente

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:55 PM, flotorian <flotorian@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Synthesis features but no CZ inside, don't create another urban myth
> please.
>
There are some CZ waveforms inside the new Casio synths that can be used in
VA and PCM synthesis using resonant filters, LFOs and envelopes.
Okay, it isn't a CZ, but I think it's very close to the original concept.


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Summa

Your description doesn't sound much like a CZ inside too, to me the 
most important feature of the CZ series is the postfilter (post DCW, 
between the two "DCOs" to be exact) ringmod, I guess they haven't 
added that as well.

But I was originally refering to the the FZ-1 thread, having some 
problems with bouncing emails once a week, since freenet is closing 
the servers at night once a week. That way I lose some mails until I 
reactivate my yahoogroups account.

On 24 Jan 2012 at 16:06, José Ángel Morente wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:55 PM, flotorian <flotorian@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Synthesis features but no CZ inside, don't create another urban myth
> > please.
> >
> There are some CZ waveforms inside the new Casio synths that can be
> used in VA and PCM synthesis using resonant filters, LFOs and
> envelopes. Okay, it isn't a CZ, but I think it's very close to the
> original concept.
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Summa

So you must have a special model, mine hasn't... 
The synthesis features of the fz-1/10m like preset wave, additive 
synthesis, hand drawing are pretty much offline sample generating 
functions. This has nothing to do with Phase Distortion aka 
Waveshaping.

...Summa 

On 24 Jan 2012 at 6:51, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:

> the fz-10m has cz inside
> 
> charles

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by charlie 'chop' copp

well nearily a cz ,
 vco vcf  oscilators
waveforms

i'm content  since i have both a cz101  and a fz10m

charles


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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


> So you must have a special model, mine hasn't... 
> The synthesis features of the fz-1/10m like preset wave, additive 
> synthesis, hand drawing are pretty much offline sample generating 
> functions. This has nothing to do with Phase Distortion aka 
> Waveshaping.
> 
> ...Summa 
> 
> On 24 Jan 2012 at 6:51, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> 
> > the fz-10m has cz inside
> > 
> > charles
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by Summa

So you could as well say it has a mini moog inside, what would be 
about as far away from reality. I wish ppl. would be a bit more 
precise when generating information.

On 24 Jan 2012 at 10:38, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:

> well nearily a cz ,
>  vco vcf  oscilators
> waveforms
> 
> i'm content  since i have both a cz101  and a fz10m

Yup, all three model families here...

 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> 
> 
> > So you must have a special model, mine hasn't... 
> > The synthesis features of the fz-1/10m like preset wave, additive
> > synthesis, hand drawing are pretty much offline sample generating
> > functions. This has nothing to do with Phase Distortion aka
> > Waveshaping.
> > 
> > ...Summa 
> > 
> > On 24 Jan 2012 at 6:51, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> > 
> > > the fz-10m has cz inside
> > > 
> > > charles
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-24 by charlie 'chop' copp

no , i couldn't summa,

 not if its made by casio ....
but stop me soon, cause i know alot of these synths can duplicate each
others output,

charles

----- Original Message -----
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From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...


> So you could as well say it has a mini moog inside, what would be
> about as far away from reality. I wish ppl. would be a bit more
> precise when generating information.
>
> On 24 Jan 2012 at 10:38, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
>
> > well nearily a cz ,
> >  vco vcf  oscilators
> > waveforms
> >
> > i'm content  since i have both a cz101  and a fz10m
>
> Yup, all three model families here...
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >
> >
> > > So you must have a special model, mine hasn't...
> > > The synthesis features of the fz-1/10m like preset wave, additive
> > > synthesis, hand drawing are pretty much offline sample generating
> > > functions. This has nothing to do with Phase Distortion aka
> > > Waveshaping.
> > >
> > > ...Summa
> > >
> > > On 24 Jan 2012 at 6:51, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> > >
> > > > the fz-10m has cz inside
> > > >
> > > > charles
> > >
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...

2012-01-25 by Daniel Forró

This is common structure of subtractive synthesis, base for many  
synthesizers and samplers, and CZ follows this architecture.

But it's not the most important point in CZ series, which was PD -  
Phase Distortion principle, plus some specialties  - DCO can combine  
two waveforms, DCW isn't real filter, and there are two independent  
synths = lines, which can be combined, ring or noise modulated.

Daniel Forro
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On Jan 25, 2012, at 3:38 AM, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:

> well nearily a cz ,
>  vco vcf  oscilators
> waveforms
>
> i'm content  since i have both a cz101  and a fz10m
>
> charles

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by Summa

On 24 Jan 2012 at 14:08, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:

> no , i couldn't summa,

Wouldn't make that much difference to me...

>  not if its made by casio ....

This sounds rather short minded to me, since even the two synth 
families (CZ/VZ) having a hard time to sound a like and in this case 
you compare a synth with a sampler that comes with limited 
offline/realtime synthesis abilities only. Other than that the filter 
resonance of the FZ-1 doesn't even remotely compare to most other 
synths (this includes the CZ DCW Parameter) or sampler. 

> but stop me soon, cause i know alot of these synths can duplicate each
> others output,

Their is of course a amount of basic sounds where most of the synths 
are able to mimicry each other, but that doesn't make those synths a 
replacement to each other.

So if you tell me how you'd emulate the postfilter ringmod of the CZ 
series on the FZ, without sampling a CZ of course, since to me this 
is the function that makes the CZ series rather hard to replace by an 
analog or VA synths, I'd totaly aggree with you ;)
So I'd rather prefere reading facts instead of getting nothing else 
but standard phrases.


> 
> charles
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> 
> 
> > So you could as well say it has a mini moog inside, what would be
> > about as far away from reality. I wish ppl. would be a bit more
> > precise when generating information.
> >
> > On 24 Jan 2012 at 10:38, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> >
> > > well nearily a cz ,
> > >  vco vcf  oscilators
> > > waveforms
> > >
> > > i'm content  since i have both a cz101  and a fz10m
> >
> > Yup, all three model families here...
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> > >
> > >
> > > > So you must have a special model, mine hasn't...
> > > > The synthesis features of the fz-1/10m like preset wave,
> > > > additive synthesis, hand drawing are pretty much offline sample
> > > > generating functions. This has nothing to do with Phase
> > > > Distortion aka Waveshaping.
> > > >
> > > > ...Summa
> > > >
> > > > On 24 Jan 2012 at 6:51, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the fz-10m has cz inside
> > > > >
> > > > > charles
> > > >

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by charlie 'chop' copp

so you'd never sample the cz101 on a fz and go from there3?

displace the wave form and sub harmonize? amplitude for 0 to 1 ???

casios are good but not the same as  hand writen monologues.
.periods are the same .

i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform  with mathmatics so i could write my
own sample sysex sender ,

charles




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From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog


> On 24 Jan 2012 at 14:08, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
>
> > no , i couldn't summa,
>
> Wouldn't make that much difference to me...
>
> >  not if its made by casio ....
>
> This sounds rather short minded to me, since even the two synth
> families (CZ/VZ) having a hard time to sound a like and in this case
> you compare a synth with a sampler that comes with limited
> offline/realtime synthesis abilities only. Other than that the filter
> resonance of the FZ-1 doesn't even remotely compare to most other
> synths (this includes the CZ DCW Parameter) or sampler.
>
> > but stop me soon, cause i know alot of these synths can duplicate each
> > others output,
>
> Their is of course a amount of basic sounds where most of the synths
> are able to mimicry each other, but that doesn't make those synths a
> replacement to each other.
>
> So if you tell me how you'd emulate the postfilter ringmod of the CZ
> series on the FZ, without sampling a CZ of course, since to me this
> is the function that makes the CZ series rather hard to replace by an
> analog or VA synths, I'd totaly aggree with you ;)
> So I'd rather prefere reading facts instead of getting nothing else
> but standard phrases.
>
>
> >
> > charles
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> >
> >
> > > So you could as well say it has a mini moog inside, what would be
> > > about as far away from reality. I wish ppl. would be a bit more
> > > precise when generating information.
> > >
> > > On 24 Jan 2012 at 10:38, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> > >
> > > > well nearily a cz ,
> > > >  vco vcf  oscilators
> > > > waveforms
> > > >
> > > > i'm content  since i have both a cz101  and a fz10m
> > >
> > > Yup, all three model families here...
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
> > > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:16 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So you must have a special model, mine hasn't...
> > > > > The synthesis features of the fz-1/10m like preset wave,
> > > > > additive synthesis, hand drawing are pretty much offline sample
> > > > > generating functions. This has nothing to do with Phase
> > > > > Distortion aka Waveshaping.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Summa
> > > > >
> > > > > On 24 Jan 2012 at 6:51, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > the fz-10m has cz inside
> > > > > >
> > > > > > charles
> > > > >
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by José Ángel Morente

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:59 AM, charlie 'chop' copp <
charles.copp@...> wrote:

> **
>
> i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform with mathmatics so i could write my
> own sample sysex sender ,
>

Using  pseudo-code it would be something like this:

carrierFreq = 440
modulatorFreq = 220
sampleRate = 44100
amp = 10000

for i = 0 to samplesize - i
  timePos = i * 360 / sampleRate   //or 2*PI if you use radians instead
  samplebuffer [i] = sin (carrierFreq*timePos + sin
(modulatorFreq*timePos)) * amp
next

That piece of code should be quite easy to convert to any other language
(Basic, Pascal, C, Matlab, etc.)

By the way, you may be interested in C-Sound programming language:

http://www.csounds.com/

You can recreate virtually any synth sound (FM, analogue, DSP processing,
etc.) with a few lines of code and export the data in binary format.


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by Summa

On 24 Jan 2012 at 20:59, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:

> so you'd never sample the cz101 on a fz and go from there3?

So sampling a DX7 makes a DX7 out of a sampler? Not exactly! It's the 
same with a CZ101, you can't make true CZ sounds from scratch within 
a FZ-1. So if someone is planing to buy this great 80s sampler, I 
hope he isn't expecting to find a fully functional CZ101 within. This 
is all I wanted to make clear, since I'm not expecting or even 
planing to convince you. 
 
In the 80s I sampled a few of my CZ-1 sounds for a friend using his 
FZ-1, those days I wasn't able to afford a sampler myself. Anyway, 
when sampling a synth with a bit more realtime control abilities than 
a CZ101, more than just plane filtering or controling waveform 
balance, it loses quite some of its expression, so I'm not exactly a 
friend of sampling synthesizers. 

Even when sampling CZ101 sounds, when it comes to the more complex 
ones, like the already mentioned postfilter ringmod stuff, you'd have 
to sample almost every key to get close enough to the original sound, 
due to the time and formant shift when pitching a sample up or down. 
This can be as complicated as sampling an acoustic instrument, 
especially with limited memory and voices.

> displace the wave form and sub harmonize? amplitude for 0 to 1 ??
> 
> casios are good but not the same as  hand writen monologues.
> .periods are the same .

But they can do a lot more than just stacking and filtering 
waveforms. So it's not the envelopes alone that makes a CZ 
special/different compared to for instance analog/VA type synths.

> i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform  with mathmatics so i could
> write my own sample sysex sender ,

Try Soundforge, it has a built in offline FM-Synth and is able to 
sent sample data using the sample dump standard. Still, when it comes 
to velocity sensitive sounds, you would have to stack quite some 
layers to get even close to the nonlinear behaviour of an FM-Synth.

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by Jason Adkins

Hi,

On 25 Jan 2012, at 13:27, Summa wrote:


>
>> so you'd never sample the cz101 on a fz and go from there3?
>
> So sampling a DX7 makes a DX7 out of a sampler? Not exactly! It's the
> same with a CZ101, you can't make true CZ sounds from scratch within
> a FZ-1. So if someone is planing to buy this great 80s sampler, I
> hope he isn't expecting to find a fully functional CZ101 within. This
> is all I wanted to make clear, since I'm not expecting or even
> planing to convince you.


Exactly,at last, the FZ1 is a totally different machine It can do some  
wonderful sounds but
it certainly isn't a CZ it is a machine of itself.I used to use the  
Minimoog factory disk on the EPS16+ which I thought was brilliant  
until I used a real Minimoog same difference.

J

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by charlie 'chop' copp

thanks for codejose

 there are some doubts..

like why does the for/next loop conrol variable  'i' also get deducted from
the samplesize?

samplesize is never defined
samplebuffer is not dimensioned

other than that i like it ,  i allready have helped a fellow program redisgn
his wave making program , and there are a lot more parameters used to create
a waveform (within his program)

but the set back is , its always a sin wave ,,,,

any method to employ to make a saw ,pulse,square  ,triangle

where do i find this code on c-sound ?
thanks in advance
charles



----- Original Message -----
From: "José Ángel Morente" <msxjam@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog


> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:59 AM, charlie 'chop' copp <
> charles.copp@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> > i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform with mathmatics so i could write
my
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > own sample sysex sender ,
> >
>
> Using  pseudo-code it would be something like this:
>
> carrierFreq = 440
> modulatorFreq = 220
> sampleRate = 44100
> amp = 10000
>
> for i = 0 to samplesize - i
>   timePos = i * 360 / sampleRate   //or 2*PI if you use radians instead
>   samplebuffer [i] = sin (carrierFreq*timePos + sin
> (modulatorFreq*timePos)) * amp
> next
>
> That piece of code should be quite easy to convert to any other language
> (Basic, Pascal, C, Matlab, etc.)
>
> By the way, you may be interested in C-Sound programming language:
>
> http://www.csounds.com/
>
> You can recreate virtually any synth sound (FM, analogue, DSP processing,
> etc.) with a few lines of code and export the data in binary format.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by José Ángel Morente

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:12 PM, charlie 'chop' copp <
charles.copp@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> thanks for codejose
>
> there are some doubts..
>
> like why does the for/next loop conrol variable 'i' also get deducted from
> the samplesize?
>

Variable 'i' simulates the time base...

 samplesize is never defined
> samplebuffer is not dimensioned
>

Yeah I know. It's only a draft to show the idea. It is not real code and
shows only the main concept.


>  any method to employ to make a saw ,pulse,square ,triangle
>
It is quite easy. To get a square wave just make a function like this:

function squareWave (i,freq)
   if sin(i*freq) > 0 then squareWave = 1
      else
         if sin(i*freq) = 0 then squareWave = 0
             else
             if sin(i*freq) <0 then squareWave = 1
end function

for a sawtooth wave you may use the MOD operator (the modulo or remainer of
a division of "i" by frequency, etc.

> where do i find this code on c-sound ?
> thanks in advance
> charles
>
There exist lots of C-Sound resources on the net, thousands of examples,
instruments, scores, etc.
With C-Sound it is an easier task because it has built-in functions for
oscillators, filters, FM, etc.

Take a look at http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/csound/fm/index.html for some nice
examples of FM instruments generated with CSound.

Here is a good tutorial to get into Csound:

http://www.csounds.com/tootsother/index.html


Cheers.

JaM


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by charlie 'chop' copp

good god!! jose ,

 this is a lifespans worth of material.. thanks

i remmeber c-sound for my atari ,, way back ,

i could be wrong but was the originator of c sound ,
 marc (something)?


i'm going to start browsing

here is small part of babbel head bohgohisty wave maker
in basic

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
' Names come from (square brackets indicate synthesis):
' http://www.huygens-fokker.org/docs/intervals.html
' Left Channel, Right Channel, Length, Concert Ratio Name

DATA   0 ,  0 , 1, "Jerminal Rest"
DATA 270 ,160 , 6, "Pythagorean Major Sixth"
DATA 240 ,216 , 9, "Minor Second"
DATA 216 ,240 , 9, "Minor Second, tails in"
DATA   0 ,  0 , 3, "Rest"
DATA 180 ,250 , 6, "Classic Augmented Fourth"
DATA 240 ,270 , 6, "Major Second"
DATA 160 ,160 , 9, "Unison"
DATA 180 ,180 , 9, "Unison"
DATA   0 ,  0 , 6, "Rest"
DATA 135 ,270 ,12, "Octave"
DATA 160 ,160 ,12, "Unison"
DATA 216 ,216 ,12, "Unison"
DATA   0 ,  0 ,30, "Terminal Rest"

' The remainder of this message is public domain.

OPTION BASE 1
DIM TwoPi AS DOUBLE
DIM pi AS DOUBLE
DIM temp AS DOUBLE
DIM BeatsPerSecond AS DOUBLE
DIM Angle(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM Velocity(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM Acceleration(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM Phase(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM note(2) AS INTEGER
DIM LastNote(2) AS INTEGER
DIM length AS INTEGER
DIM harmonics(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM samples AS LONG
DIM t AS LONG
DIM SampleRate AS LONG
DIM k AS INTEGER
DIM g AS INTEGER
DIM amp AS INTEGER
DIM basis AS INTEGER
DIM NumHarmonics AS INTEGER
DIM Sign(2) AS INTEGER
DIM glide AS INTEGER
DIM GlideTrim AS LONG
DIM test AS STRING
DIM TerminalAngle(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM DropAngle(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM PhaseDir(2) AS DOUBLE
DIM rationame AS STRING

PRINT
test = "0"
' I frequently flip that.
NumHarmonics = 2
BeatsPerSecond = 12#
pi = 3.141592653589793#
TwoPi = pi * 2
SampleRate = 44100

IF test = "0" THEN
        OPEN "\sox\suumoh.raw" FOR OUTPUT AS #4
END IF

' This batch file will compile and view
' if nero waveedit and fbc are in your path.
OPEN "suumoh.bat" FOR OUTPUT AS #1
PRINT #1, "fbc -lang qb c:\basic\suumoh.bas"
PRINT #1, "suumoh.exe"
PRINT #1, "cd \sox"
PRINT #1, "sox -c 2 -r"; SampleRate; " -sw suumoh.raw suumoh.wav stat"
PRINT #1, "waveedit c:\sox\suumoh.wav"
CLOSE #1

' This maps 16 (tonic) to a 12-TET G.
harmonics(1) = (440 / 2 ^ (1 / 12) ^ 26) / 160
harmonics(2) = harmonics(1)
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        note(k) = 0
        LastNote(k) = 0
NEXT k

OPEN "con" FOR APPEND AS #2

glide = 30
100
FOR g = 1 TO 14
        READ note(1), note(2), length, rationame
        PRINT #2, USING "DATA ###-,"; note(1);
        PRINT #2, USING "###-,##"; note(2); length;
        PRINT #2, ", "; rationame

' That is for feeding transpositions back into this code, although I
' am using a tuning that maps roughly to 12-TET, so I did not use it.
        IF g > 0 THEN
'                SOUND note(2) * harmonics(2), length * 4 / 3
        END IF
        IF test = "0" THEN
                IF note(1) = 0 AND LastNote(1) = 0 THEN
                        samples = SampleRate * length / BeatsPerSecond
                        GOSUB 300
                        GOTO 75
                END IF
                IF note(1) = 0 AND LastNote(1) <> 0 THEN
                        GOSUB 250
                        FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
                                LastNote(k) = note(k)
                        NEXT k
                        samples = SampleRate * length / BeatsPerSecond
                        GOSUB 300
                        GOTO 75
                END IF
                IF LastNote(1) = 0 AND note(1) <> 0 THEN
                        FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
                                LastNote(k) = note(k)
                        NEXT k
                        samples = SampleRate * length / BeatsPerSecond
                        GOSUB 275
                        GOTO 75
                END IF
                IF note(1) <> 0 AND LastNote(1) <> 0 THEN
                        samples = SampleRate * length / BeatsPerSecond
                        samples = samples / glide
                        GlideTrim = samples
                        GOSUB 300
                        samples = SampleRate * length / BeatsPerSecond
                        samples = samples - GlideTrim
                        FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
                                LastNote(k) = note(k)
                        NEXT k
                        GOSUB 300
                        GOTO 75
                END IF
        END IF

75      NEXT g
CLOSE #4

END

' *Neat* Silencer -- finishes a wave like 275 starts one.
' When it reaches a peak or a trough, then it cuts amplitude in half
' and biases it by half.
250
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        temp = Angle(k) / TwoPi
        Angle(k) = (temp - FIX(temp)) * TwoPi
        IF Angle(k) > pi * 3 / 2 THEN
                TerminalAngle(k) = pi * 3.5
                PhaseDir(k) = 1
                DropAngle(k) = pi * 2.5
        ELSEIF Angle(k) > pi / 2 THEN
                TerminalAngle(k) = pi * 2.5
                PhaseDir(k) = 0
                DropAngle(k) = pi * 3 / 2
        ELSE
                TerminalAngle(k) = pi * 3 / 2
                PhaseDir(k) = -1
                DropAngle(k) = pi / 2
        END IF
NEXT k

260
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        Phase(k) = SIN(Angle(k))
        SELECT CASE PhaseDir(k)
        CASE 1
                IF Angle(k) >= DropAngle(k) THEN
                        Phase(k) = Phase(k) / 2 + .5
                END IF
        CASE 0
                IF Angle(k) >= DropAngle(k) THEN
                        Phase(k) = Phase(k) / 2 - .5
                END IF
        CASE -1
                IF Angle(k) >= DropAngle(k) THEN
                        Phase(k) = Phase(k) / 2 + .5
                END IF
        END SELECT
        IF Angle(k) < TerminalAngle(k) THEN
                Angle(k) = Angle(k) + Velocity(k)
        ELSE
                Angle(k) = TerminalAngle(k)
        END IF
NEXT k
GOSUB 400

FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        IF Angle(k) < TerminalAngle(k) THEN GOTO 260
NEXT k
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        Angle(k) = Angle(k) - Angle(k)
NEXT k
RETURN

275
' This starts a wave from zero, using half the amplitude, a start
' from where sin(angle)  = -1, and a bias of half. This cuts
' a leading click that I can hear on some equipment with some tunes.
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        Velocity(k) = TwoPi * LastNote(k) * harmonics(k) / SampleRate
        Acceleration(k) = TwoPi * note(k) * harmonics(k) / SampleRate
        Acceleration(k) = (Acceleration(k) - Velocity(k)) / samples
        PhaseDir(k) = 1
        Angle(k) = 3 / 2 * pi
NEXT k

280
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        IF PhaseDir(k) = 1 THEN
                Phase(k) = SIN(Angle(k)) / 2 + .5
        ELSE
                Phase(k) = SIN(Angle(k))
        END IF
        Angle(k) = Angle(k) + Velocity(k)
        Velocity(k) = Velocity(k) + Acceleration(k)
NEXT k
samples = samples - 1
GOSUB 400

FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        IF PhaseDir(k) = 1 THEN
                Phase(k) = (Phase(k) - .5) * 2
        END IF
        IF Phase(k) > SIN(Angle(k)) THEN
                PhaseDir(k) = -1
        END IF
NEXT k

FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        IF PhaseDir(k) = 1 GOTO 280
NEXT k

300
' Calculate constants of change for write loop.
FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
        Velocity(k) = TwoPi * LastNote(k) * harmonics(k) / SampleRate
        Acceleration(k) = TwoPi * note(k) * harmonics(k) / SampleRate
        Acceleration(k) = (Acceleration(k) - Velocity(k)) / samples
NEXT k

' Main write loop. Static Phases problem solved at 250.
FOR t = 1 TO samples
        FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
                Phase(k) = SIN(Angle(k))
        NEXT k

        GOSUB 400

        FOR k = 1 TO NumHarmonics
                Angle(k) = Angle(k) + Velocity(k)
                Velocity(k) = Velocity(k) + Acceleration(k)
        NEXT k
NEXT t
RETURN

400
' Write a sample.
amp = CINT(Phase(1) * 32000)
PRINT #4, CHR$(amp AND 255);
PRINT #4, CHR$((amp AND 65280) / 256);

amp = CINT(Phase(2) * 32000)
PRINT #4, CHR$(amp AND 255);
PRINT #4, CHR$((amp AND 65280) / 256);
RETURN
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charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "José Ángel Morente" <msxjam@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog


> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:12 PM, charlie 'chop' copp <
> charles.copp@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > thanks for codejose
> >
> > there are some doubts..
> >
> > like why does the for/next loop conrol variable 'i' also get deducted
from
> > the samplesize?
> >
>
> Variable 'i' simulates the time base...
>
>  samplesize is never defined
> > samplebuffer is not dimensioned
> >
>
> Yeah I know. It's only a draft to show the idea. It is not real code and
> shows only the main concept.
>
>
> >  any method to employ to make a saw ,pulse,square ,triangle
> >
> It is quite easy. To get a square wave just make a function like this:
>
> function squareWave (i,freq)
>    if sin(i*freq) > 0 then squareWave = 1
>       else
>          if sin(i*freq) = 0 then squareWave = 0
>              else
>              if sin(i*freq) <0 then squareWave = 1
> end function
>
> for a sawtooth wave you may use the MOD operator (the modulo or remainer
of
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> a division of "i" by frequency, etc.
>
> > where do i find this code on c-sound ?
> > thanks in advance
> > charles
> >
> There exist lots of C-Sound resources on the net, thousands of examples,
> instruments, scores, etc.
> With C-Sound it is an easier task because it has built-in functions for
> oscillators, filters, FM, etc.
>
> Take a look at http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/csound/fm/index.html for some nice
> examples of FM instruments generated with CSound.
>
> Here is a good tutorial to get into Csound:
>
> http://www.csounds.com/tootsother/index.html
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> JaM
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by steve_the_composer

Why don't you do some research into the ChucK programing language and use that to create fm waveforms?

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, charlie 'chop' copp <charles.copp@...> wrote:
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>
> so you'd never sample the cz101 on a fz and go from there3?
> 
> displace the wave form and sub harmonize? amplitude for 0 to 1 ???
> 
> casios are good but not the same as  hand writen monologues.
> .periods are the same .
> 
> i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform  with mathmatics so i could write my
> own sample sysex sender ,
> 
> charles

Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by steve_the_composer

I second that motion--you should also be able to do fm waveforms using CSound. 

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...> wrote:
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>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:59 AM, charlie 'chop' copp <
> charles.copp@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> > i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform with mathmatics so i could write my
> > own sample sysex sender ,
> >
> 
> Using  pseudo-code it would be something like this:
> 
> carrierFreq = 440
> modulatorFreq = 220
> sampleRate = 44100
> amp = 10000
> 
> for i = 0 to samplesize - i
>   timePos = i * 360 / sampleRate   //or 2*PI if you use radians instead
>   samplebuffer [i] = sin (carrierFreq*timePos + sin
> (modulatorFreq*timePos)) * amp
> next
> 
> That piece of code should be quite easy to convert to any other language
> (Basic, Pascal, C, Matlab, etc.)
> 
> By the way, you may be interested in C-Sound programming language:
> 
> http://www.csounds.com/
> 
> You can recreate virtually any synth sound (FM, analogue, DSP processing,
> etc.) with a few lines of code and export the data in binary format.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Casio XW-P1 virtual analog

2012-01-25 by steve_the_composer

This suggestion makes three that I have seen. Let me add another: SynthEdit. With all those options, you should have no excuse for not doing fm waveforms with mathematics.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:

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> On 24 Jan 2012 at 20:59, charlie 'chop' copp wrote:
> 
> > i wish i knew how to form a fm waveform  with mathmatics so i could
> > write my own sample sysex sender ,
> 
> Try Soundforge, it has a built in offline FM-Synth and is able to 
> sent sample data using the sample dump standard. Still, when it comes 
> to velocity sensitive sounds, you would have to stack quite some 
> layers to get even close to the nonlinear behaviour of an FM-Synth.
>

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