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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000

2013-08-20 by Daniel Forró

Tough job, as basic concept of EG is different in both systems. I  
wouldn't use a term ADSR here, as it goes far behind traditional and  
very limited ADSR concept.

Just for recapitulation:

- DX7 rates set time, while CZ rates are angles.

- DX can revert EG when L4 is set high. CZ can't produce inverted  
envelope.

- DX envelope can have maximally 5 segments, while CZ can produce 9  
segment envelope when we use Sustain.

- on DX L3 is fixed as Sustain level, while on CZ position of Sustain  
in the envelope is freely programmable, and even we can avoid Sustain.

- Number of segments is programmable on CZ.

- Pitch EG is the same on CZ as DCW and DCA EG's. We can have two  
different PEG's when using dual line. Pitch EG on DX is different than  
operator EG, and there's only one PEG.

Daniel Forro

P.S.: Maybe it's a good custom to erase unnecessary texts when quoting  
previous messages. Maybe there are some colleagues who use daily  
digest and then it's almost unreadable.


On 20 Aug, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Lee Borrell wrote:

> Notably the CZ has (night on) double the number of stages of ADSR-  
> considering myself and my brother are attempting to create editors  
> for both CZ and DX- the ADSR has been one of the stumbling  
> blocks,since we are trying to create a "musketeer" solution,that is  
> "one for all" - ie a programmable ADSR where the number of stages  
> are set from without,allowing both CZ and DX to use the same system.  
> I am in the formative stages of working through this - but it ain't  
> easy.
>
> I have never really got beyond (4stage) ADSR on CZ,since most of the  
> sounds only require that,the only extensive one is the preset which  
> develops an echo by repeating the ADSR loop - a bit bonkers when you  
> have multi-effects chains with several thousand forms of echo!

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