I collect Casios, and own a Casio CT6000 as well as a CZ101 and a CZ1, thus have had experience of both types of sound engines. I also have many other Casios including FZ, VZ, MT, CT, HT and even the new XW-P1 synth. The CT6000 had surprisingly professional features for its day - touch sensitivity, after-touch, midi, stereo chorus modes and the possibility to layer sounds. It is also VERY sturdily built and weighs a ton. Sonically, especially with some of the bell like sounds, it appears to have a CZ type engine rather than the earlier Consonant Vowel type used in many of the earlier MT and CT Casios. It was originally released in late 1984, around the time of the CZ series (which were released in 1985 I think?) The CT6500 was indeed CZ based, though lacked some of the 'pro' features of the 6000 (though it had more sounds). Stranger still, none of the CZ's had touch sensitivity/ after-touch until the CZ-1 was released two years later in 1986. Just to confuse matters, there was also a CT7000 model (which I also have in my collection), though this definitely had the older Consonant Vowel sound engine similar to earlier MT and CT models. With it's 'digital' features (midi, bell sounds, 'stepping' +/- 1 octave pitch bend wheel) the CT6000 almost certainly has a CZ engine, especially as to my knowledge no consonant vowel Casio ever had a pitch bend wheel. The later HT series did, though they were sort of analogue (they used digitally recreated waveforms aka 'Spectrum Dynamics', similar to the Korg DW 6000/ 8000 'Digital Waveform Generator' system, and like the DW's the HT's had analogue filter(s)). However, the HT's sound very different to the CT6000. The HT700 (and 3000 and 'pro' HZ600) can sound very warm and analogue at times, though the HT6000 with four 'DCOs' (!) and ring modulation has a more digital sound to it. The HT6000 still sounds different to the CT6000 though. Casio are good at developing a sound engine and then releasing variations of it with more/ less features depending on the model. To my knowledge, they haven't developed a single sound engine and only used it only for one single model, certainly not from the early 80's onwards (both the VZ1 and FZ1 were also available in two different rack mounted versions). Therefore, as the CT6000 came out in 1984 and does NOT sound like the consonant vowel engine, it can only be based on the CZ Phase Distortion engine. It is unlikely to be the HT Spectrum Dynamic engine as that range wasn't released until 1987 (plus it doesn't sound like an HT), and the same also applies to the FZ and VZ engines also. I believe the PCM based Casios weren't released until the latter part of the 80's so it's unlikely to be related to those. As for the CT6000 drums and rhythm section, they sound to me unlike any of my other Casios. Some of the drums sound quite interesting, some sound very woolly. They lack the punchiness of classic beatboxes (including some of the earlier Casios - for instance, my Casiotone 403 has almost a simplified Roland TR77 sound to its rhythm section) and they don't sound realistic to be even a vague attempt at PCM/ sample based drums. It does have the 'Super Accompaniment' function that varies the rhythm section dependent on the real time playing, though that is largely superfluous unless you want a somewhat random element when playing live. Is the CT6000 worth having? Well, though it's an interesting board and was almost a flagship model upon its release, there are other Casios more interesting in my opinion. I would go for the CZ/ HT range over the CT6000 as they have much more sonic character and are programmable. The CT6000 does have some good pre-set sounds that are still usable, plus they can be layered to give quite a big and powerful sound. And with its MIDI and velocity/ after-touch keyboard it could even be useful as a midi controller. Then again, new midi controller keyboards are available for pennies and don't weigh as much as a tank like the CT does! As mine cost me all of 20GBP via Ebay it was certainly an interesting Casio to add to my collection, though to be honest, other than 2 or 3 sounds and the layering function it is unlikely to be used much on my recordings compared with my CZ/ HT/ VZ/ CT410-V and XW boards, all of which have much more character and in their sonic palettes. I've also attached two pictures containing a review of the CT6000 from late 1984, that I found online some time ago. Hope all the above may be of help to those considering a CT6000 or other Casio to add to their collection. Chas On 28 September 2013 15:49, Nothing Special <nothingsp@...> wrote: > ** > > > > The Casio CT-6000 from 1984 was Casios first keyboard with > > velocity sensitive keys and midi. It also has very versatile > > accompaniment and can layer sounds. I always thought it was based > > on Consonant-Vowel-Synthesis (crossfaded stair waveforms with > > analogue filter, like MT-65), but some people claim it was based > > on phase distortion. The first official PD preset keyboard > > (marketet as such by Casio) was its even bigger successor > > CT-6500, which (how silly is this!) had no velocity sensitive > > keys anymore. I yet haven't bought a CT-6000 (takes much space), > > but it seems to be a true technical milestone. > > > > - What are the main ICs? > There's one of these at my local Music-Go-Round. Having played around > with it, I can tell you that it's definitely a phase-distortion synth. > > > > - Is the percussion semi-analogue or sample based? > > > > The sound quality on YouTube wasn't high enough to identify this. > Can't remember for sure, but I'm pretty certain it was sample-based. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)
2013-09-29 by 350ypvs@googlemail.com
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