Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:12, "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...> wrote:

> That is true that the Sine Wave Casios were released after the first wave of Consonant Vowel models, however, they didn't supersede the Consonant Vowel engine, which in actual fact continued alongside the Sine Wave models and even appeared in a number newer Casio models right up until approx. 1985/ 6. I should have said "moved back' to Consonant Vowel synthesis rather than "moved to", though as mentioned the two engines ran alongside each other (though I suspect that Casio initially planned for Sine Wave engines to continue where Consonant Vowel left off.)
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> "Another innovation of that year (1982) was Casio’s first “pro” keyboard: The Casiotone 1000P was the high-end model of Casio’s unfortunate sine wave keyboards. Featuring 61 keys, and lacking rhythm, the 1000P (P for “programmable”) essentially was an additive synthesizer that featured an arpeggio sequencer — unique in the world of Casio keyboards. Still, it was awkward to use, and it fell through among the target audience — Casio’s first failed attempt to enter the professional market.
> Also in 1982, Casio released its first midsize keyboards with polyphonic fingered accompaniment. While the MT-70 is again based on sine wave synthesis, the MT-45 and the MT-60 use good old Consonant-Vowel. While the latter (and its bigger brother, the Casiotone 403) are said to be the best sounding of all Consonant-Vowel keyboards (I haven’t heard them yet), the MT-45 has many accompaniment variations with arpeggio and two bass variants. This was made possible by the versatile NEC D930G accompaniment chip, whose greatest moment was yet to come. Another peculiarity of the MT-45 is that accompaniment cannot be switched off — in fact, the lower part of the keyboard is hardwired to the accompaniment chip and the upper part to the voice chip."
> 
> http://generror.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/history-of-casio-keyboards-1/
> Regarding the CT6000, the same website confirms that it did indeed have the Phase Distortion engine as its sound generator:
> 
> "In 1985, Casio released the first of its line of CZ synthesizer, beginning with the CZ-101 (the only midsize CZ) and its bigger brother, the CZ-1000. The CZ synths used a synthesis method called PD (Phase Distortion), which is functionally similar to Yamaha’s FM synthesis. Especially the CZ-101 was very successful, which encouraged Casio to concentrate on the pro market — unfortunately neglecting the home market in the process.
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> Casio CT-6000
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> Casio also a few high-end home keyboards which use PD synthesis for its presets, the first being theCasio CT-6000. The CT-6000 had many professional features, many of them unique for Casio home keyboards, and may well be the most sophisticated home keyboard of its time: Not only does it feature key velocity with aftertouch, it also comes with a pitch bend wheel and MIDI support. Also interesting is its “Super Accompaniment”, meaning that the accompaniment reacts to key velocity and chord progression — from what I know, this is unique for Casio keyboards. It also comes with a chord sequencer."
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> http://generror.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/history-of-casio-keyboards-2/
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> And the excellent Table Hooters website also contains details about many infamous Casios:
> http://weltenschule.de/TableHooters/instruments.html
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> Obviously these websites can't be taken as pure gospel as they are put together by enthusiasts/ collectors, thus there may be some errors in the information. For instance the 'generror' website says this about the HT/ HZ range:
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> "In 1987, Casio’s next attempt to enter the professional market was the HT/HZ series of synths. These used a synthesis called “Spectrum Dynamics“, which apparently is just a new word for good old Consonant-Vowel — somewhat expanded and made editable, of course."
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> I believe this to be incorrect as the HT range has something like 32 waveforms to choose from (more with the HT6000) thus appear to be based upon a 'wavetable' type of synth, using digital waveforms to generate sounds and then put them through an analogue filter (as per Korg's DW series). The HT's do not sound at all like Consonant Vowel in my opinion, though it's not entirely clear how they generate their sounds. What does seem apparent is this type of sound engine was only found in the HT/ HZ range. No other model of Casio before or since used this method to my knowledge. One speculation is that Yamaha got upset about Casio's Phase Distortion allegedly infringing on their patented 'FM', and Casio quickly developed and released another range (HT series) that was was unique to them only. Maybe in case they thought that Yamaha would push a lawsuit that would stop the production of CZ models?
> 
> Either way, it's interesting to discover how Casio experimented with their sound generation giving us some unique keyboards. Such a shame that musical snobs largely ignore them purely because of the name. Then again, this allows some great bargains to be had so us Casio fans can enjoy them more so than if they had Roland/ Moog/ Korg etc. written on them, which no doubt would send prices sky high.
> 
> Just for interest, my Casio collection at present looks like this (listed in kind of smallest to largest, and also in model type):
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> 1. VL-1 (VL Tone) - my very first Casio!
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> 2. M10
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> 3. MT65 (one of my favourites)
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> 4. MT68 (same as MT65 except in grey(ish), might circuit bend one of them).
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> 5. CT410-V amazing beast! (Full sized keys version of the MT400V) 
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> 6. Casiotone 403 (x2 - one going up for sale shortly. Great sounding 'TR77 alike' drums!)
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> 7. Casiotone 201
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> 8. HT700 (x2 - one immaculate and boxed, the other slightly scruffy and may possibly be modified. Has a very 'analogue' like and at times warm sound, especially when the chorus and filter is used. I find the little HT700 to be one of my most inspiring Casios to use).
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> 9. HZ600 (same as the HT700, with full size keys and minus speakers and drums/ accompaniment section).
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> 10. HT6000 (x2 - one recently died and luckily I found another for sale on Ebay. They're one of the rarest Casios)
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> 11. 1000P (the 'pro' sine wave Casio)
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> 12. CTK1000 (interesting 'IXA' sound source. Apparently unique to this model? Not much known about this.)
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> 13. CT6000
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> 14. CT7000
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> 15. CZ101 (my second Casio!)
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> 16. CZ3000 (going to sell soon because I subsequently bought no.17)
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> 17. CZ-1
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> 18. FZ20M (rack mounted 2mb SCSI equipped version of the FZ1 sampler).
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> 19. VZ-1 (features iPD, the successor to the Phase Distortion CZ's).
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> 20. XW-P1 (latest Casio flagship - a VERY interesting and powerful synth).
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> 21. 2 x RA100 ram cards for use in the HT synths. Very handy, and quite rare!)
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> 22. RA3 ram pack for the CZ's. Bought for my 101, but it won't work in that though it does with the 3000 and CZ-1(???)
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> I think that's all of them, certainly enough to keep me occupied! Oh, and asides from my Casio collection, I do also have a Roland JX3-P and a Korg DW8000 to compliment them ;-)
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> On 30 September 2013 21:18, <ianweb@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
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>>  The 1000P came to market after the Consonent/Vowel synths. I too have a huge number of Casio synths - as below:
>> 
>> 
>> CT202 C/V
>> CT1000P Pseudo Additive
>> CZ3000 PD
>> Hohner HS2 (VZ1) PD/FM/RM
>> VZ8m as above
>> HT6000 SD
>> MT400V C/V + Analog Filter
>> GZ50M PCM (GM)
>> Hohner HS1 (FZ1) Sampling plus Limited step Waveform drawing
>> 
>> 
>> ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Casio did indeed have a sine wave based sound engine as used in the Casiotone 1000P, 701 and I think a few other models circa 1981 or so. I have a 1000P amongst my collection, and the CT6000 sounds nothing like it! The 1000P has a very warm sound with some surprisingly deep bass available. It is good for organ type sounds, but that's about it. Apparently, using just sine waves to generate sounds/ tones, these are very hard to use to make any real changes to the overall timbre of the sound. Probably why Casio quickly gave up on this idea and moved to the Consonant Vowel engine as used in most of their lower end models from the early 80's until PCM engines took over. As mentioned above, the CT6000 was released in late 1984 immediately before Phase Distortion came in on the higher spec 'pro' CZ models in 1985. With the pitch bend wheel, midi and bell like 'digital sounds' (that FM and PD synthesis were famously good at generating) it sounds and behaves much more like a CZ than a 1000P.
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>> On 30 September 2013 13:16, D T <sneakyflute@...> wrote:
>>  
>> Didn't Casio also have some sine-wave based engine on the 1000P and 701 (and probably others)? Could it have that technology instead?
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On 1 Oct, 2013, at 9:16 PM, 350ypvs@... wrote:

>
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> I just pulled off the cover of my (working) HT6000 and there written  
> on the keyboard, staring at me, is 'Pulse Code Modulation'. I  
> should've remembered that rather than Casio's fancy 'Spectrum  
> Dynamics' label! Therefore you are most probably very right about  
> the raw sounds being pulse code generated, effectively digital  
> waveforms! This kind of makes sense as many of the later Casios (mid  
> to late 1980's onwards) used PCM generated sounds. Add the HT  
> model's chorus, analogue filter and the ability to adjust the  
> amplifier and filter envelopes (plus ring mod, detune and velocity  
> on the HT6000) to give you some quite unique sounds.
>
> Like you, I love my HT6000 so much that when my first model died  
> suddenly, I snapped up the next one I found on Ebay. It probably  
> cost less than having my original repaired, though I do hope to get  
> that one working again sooner or later.It is quite unique sounding,  
> part way between digital and analogue. For some reason the 'single  
> oscillator' 700/ 3000 and HZ600 models sound more analogue, though  
> the 6000 is more versatile. And if you use the ring mod waveforms  
> and detune the 4th 'line' to 73, you get a sub-oscillator effect to  
> generate lower bass frequencies. Not quite in the Roland Juno 60 or  
> Moog league, but certainly enough to be usable for bass lines.
>
> Thanks also for the compliment on my Casio collection! The best  
> thing about it is that most the boards didn't cost much at all. The  
> most expensive were the CZ101 (90GBP back in 1990) and the CZ-1  
> (125GBP). Most cost between 10 - 20 GBP. Even the VZ-1 I picked up  
> for only 70GBP! There are bargains still to be had, though some  
> models are now more sought after, especially the CZ101 and HT6000  
> with prices rising accordingly. None are 'big' money compared with  
> similar aged Roland/ Korgs/ Yamahas. Even the new XW-P1 is a bargain  
> for what it offers at the price, compared with the competition, with  
> many magazine reviews placing it in a class of its own.
>
> Long live Casio!
>
>
> On 1 October 2013 12:39, <analogmonster@...> wrote:
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> I completely agree generror is wrong about the ht/hz range. I LOVE  
> my ht6000, nothing else sounds like it. Some day I will open it up  
> and take a scope to the filter input as I want to see what the raw  
> waveforms look like. If you have the filter open as much as possible  
> it definitely sounds very digital and unique, certainly nothing like  
> my cz1000 and vz10m and theoretically the ht6000 should be between  
> the two if it were a pd synth.
>
> The most talked about theory for the makeup of the ht6000 voice is  
> that it is entirely based on thin pulse waves combined using the  
> built in envelopes, ring mod, tremolo etc. this makes a lot of sense  
> to me when I listen to it. Still it would be nice to know for sure.
>

On 1 Oct 2013, at 13:24, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:

> But PCM means just sampling, not some type of digital synthesis in real time. When <analogmonster> talks about thin pulse waves, he means something different.
> 
> If only I understood well.
> 
> Daniel Forro
> 
> 
> On 1 Oct, 2013, at 9:16 PM, 350ypvs@... wrote:
> 
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>> I just pulled off the cover of my (working) HT6000 and there written on the keyboard, staring at me, is 'Pulse Code Modulation'. I should've remembered that rather than Casio's fancy 'Spectrum Dynamics' label! Therefore you are most probably very right about the raw sounds being pulse code generated, effectively digital waveforms! This kind of makes sense as many of the later Casios (mid to late 1980's onwards) used PCM generated sounds. Add the HT model's chorus, analogue filter and the ability to adjust the amplifier and filter envelopes (plus ring mod, detune and velocity on the HT6000) to give you some quite unique sounds.
>> 
>> Like you, I love my HT6000 so much that when my first model died suddenly, I snapped up the next one I found on Ebay. It probably cost less than having my original repaired, though I do hope to get that one working again sooner or later.It is quite unique sounding, part way between digital and analogue. For some reason the 'single oscillator' 700/ 3000 and HZ600 models sound more analogue, though the 6000 is more versatile. And if you use the ring mod waveforms and detune the 4th 'line' to 73, you get a sub-oscillator effect to generate lower bass frequencies. Not quite in the Roland Juno 60 or Moog league, but certainly enough to be usable for bass lines.
>> 
>> Thanks also for the compliment on my Casio collection! The best thing about it is that most the boards didn't cost much at all. The most expensive were the CZ101 (90GBP back in 1990) and the CZ-1 (125GBP). Most cost between 10 - 20 GBP. Even the VZ-1 I picked up for only 70GBP! There are bargains still to be had, though some models are now more sought after, especially the CZ101 and HT6000 with prices rising accordingly. None are 'big' money compared with similar aged Roland/ Korgs/ Yamahas. Even the new XW-P1 is a bargain for what it offers at the price, compared with the competition, with many magazine reviews placing it in a class of its own.
>> 
>> Long live Casio!
>> 
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>> On 1 October 2013 12:39, <analogmonster@...> wrote:
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>>> I completely agree generror is wrong about the ht/hz range. I LOVE my ht6000, nothing else sounds like it. Some day I will open it up and take a scope to the filter input as I want to see what the raw waveforms look like. If you have the filter open as much as possible it definitely sounds very digital and unique, certainly nothing like my cz1000 and vz10m and theoretically the ht6000 should be between the two if it were a pd synth.
>>> 
>>> The most talked about theory for the makeup of the ht6000 voice is that it is entirely based on thin pulse waves combined using the built in envelopes, ring mod, tremolo etc. this makes a lot of sense to me when I listen to it. Still it would be nice to know for sure.
> 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: analogmonster@... 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)


    

  Yeah Daniel is right, PCM is just digital sampling and not what I was referring to.


  I remember where I first heard the idea, but the site no longer exists. It was a guy known as synth seal, and he had a page called sealed's deep synthesis page.


  He described the Casio spectrum dynamics engine as essentially additive synthesis using several pulse waves of different widths. I've seen this explanation else where, but I don't know if they all got the idea from him and he is wrong-his site existed at least 10 years ago. This is why I want to take a scope to the raw waveforms.


  He was certainly a guy who knew his stuff though - I believe he was who discovered through sysex programming you can access previously unknown waveforms and modulation modes in the cz1/1000.










  On 1 Oct 2013, at 13:24, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:


      

    But PCM means just sampling, not some type of digital synthesis in real time. When <analogmonster> talks about thin pulse waves, he means something different.


    If only I understood well.


    Daniel Forro




    On 1 Oct, 2013, at 9:16 PM, 350ypvs@... wrote:





      I just pulled off the cover of my (working) HT6000 and there written on the keyboard, staring at me, is 'Pulse Code Modulation'. I should've remembered that rather than Casio's fancy 'Spectrum Dynamics' label! Therefore you are most probably very right about the raw sounds being pulse code generated, effectively digital waveforms! This kind of makes sense as many of the later Casios (mid to late 1980's onwards) used PCM generated sounds. Add the HT model's chorus, analogue filter and the ability to adjust the amplifier and filter envelopes (plus ring mod, detune and velocity on the HT6000) to give you some quite unique sounds.


      Like you, I love my HT6000 so much that when my first model died suddenly, I snapped up the next one I found on Ebay. It probably cost less than having my original repaired, though I do hope to get that one working again sooner or later.It is quite unique sounding, part way between digital and analogue. For some reason the 'single oscillator' 700/ 3000 and HZ600 models sound more analogue, though the 6000 is more versatile. And if you use the ring mod waveforms and detune the 4th 'line' to 73, you get a sub-oscillator effect to generate lower bass frequencies. Not quite in the Roland Juno 60 or Moog league, but certainly enough to be usable for bass lines.


      Thanks also for the compliment on my Casio collection! The best thing about it is that most the boards didn't cost much at all. The most expensive were the CZ101 (90GBP back in 1990) and the CZ-1 (125GBP). Most cost between 10 - 20 GBP. Even the VZ-1 I picked up for only 70GBP! There are bargains still to be had, though some models are now more sought after, especially the CZ101 and HT6000 with prices rising accordingly. None are 'big' money compared with similar aged Roland/ Korgs/ Yamahas. Even the new XW-P1 is a bargain for what it offers at the price, compared with the competition, with many magazine reviews placing it in a class of its own.


      Long live Casio!



      On 1 October 2013 12:39, <analogmonster@...> wrote:

         


        I completely agree generror is wrong about the ht/hz range. I LOVE my ht6000, nothing else sounds like it. Some day I will open it up and take a scope to the filter input as I want to see what the raw waveforms look like. If you have the filter open as much as possible it definitely sounds very digital and unique, certainly nothing like my cz1000 and vz10m and theoretically the ht6000 should be between the two if it were a pd synth.


        The most talked about theory for the makeup of the ht6000 voice is that it is entirely based on thin pulse waves combined using the built in envelopes, ring mod, tremolo etc. this makes a lot of sense to me when I listen to it. Still it would be nice to know for sure.






  
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My hypothesis is:

The 'DCO' consists of several pulse waves at different octaves.

This is what I call Additive pulse wave synthesis. It is most notably employed by KORG Poly-800. Unlike Poly-800, HT seems to be able to control the amp envelope and the pulse-width of each harmonic wave individually.

Hence Spectrum, Dynamic. Spectrum means additive harmonics, and dynamic means the volume control.
Unfortunately, each spectrum is always a square/pulse wave.

Then, what is meant by its alleged 'characteristically clear sound' ?
It still remains a mystery. CZ synths are fully digital, and their bit-resolution is much higher. Most people would think CZ (or most digital synths) sounds clearer than HZ/HT.

Because:

There are too many pulse-sounding waves.
There are many octave-unison-like waves.
The saw wave is stepwise shaped, which is characteristic of additive pulse wave synths. They generate a saw wave by adding square waves at 4 (or so) different octaves.

SD seems to be more advanced than Poly-800, as it can control the amp envelopes of several harmonic waves, as some decay sounds above suggest.

Some waves has wierd metallic effect. This may be created by an internal ring modulator.

SD oscillator can generate white noise and 'metallic noise.
They may be generated by an analog noise generator.
Another possibility is CASIO's Noise Modulation, but it's not certain if HZ/HT uses it.
CASIO CZ is the only digital synth that uses Noise Modulation, which produces noise with different character by modulating the oscillator's pitch very fast at random.

On 2 October 2013 23:45, <ianweb@dial.pipex.com> wrote:


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> Strange because the same item was flagged as sold for £19.99 the other
> day..
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> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231057904553?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D17233%26meid%3D1707109365446012145%26pid%3D100019%26prg%3D8045%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D251343755942%26&nma=true&si=u6%252FO5F65v26xnh6WRsLEGtf1A3g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>
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>
> ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>
> For those in the UK interested in owning one of these Casios, I've just
> found two that have come up on Ebay:
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> CT6000:
>
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> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231064724023?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item35cc87e237
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> And a CT6500 has also turned up:
>
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> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Casio-CT-6500-keyboard-electric-piano-with-stand-/261296904510?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3cd682593e
>
>
> I am not linked to either of these sales. Just thought it might be of
> interest for those in this groups interested in owning one of these retro
> Casios :-)
>
>
>
> On 2 October 2013 03:25, Paul Krull <paul.krull@...> wrote:
>
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>   I love the various early Casios and have a few myself:
>
> CT 202 C/V
> CT 1000P Pseudo Additive
> CZ 5000 PD
> CZ 1        PD
> CZ 101   PD
> SK-2100
> SK 5
> VL-1
> VZ 10M x 2
> FZ 10M
> FZ 20M
> RZ-1
> MT 35
> MT 40
> MT 68
> CT 7000
> CT 701
> CT 403 x 2
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>  You can still find a lot of these if you keep looking. There's a VZ 8m
> for sale locally sitting in a music store's rack where it's been for a
> couple years priced very cheap, I suppose I should be a completest and
> pick
> it up but I don't really want to. What a great company with so many cool
> instruments.
>   Paul T
>
>
>
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>  *From:* "ianweb@..." <ianweb@...>
>
> *To:* CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
> ICs?)
>
>
>
>  The 1000P came to market after the Consonent/Vowel synths. I too have a
> huge number of Casio synths - as below:
>
> CT202 C/V
> CT1000P Pseudo Additive
> CZ3000 PD
> Hohner HS2 (VZ1) PD/FM/RM
> VZ8m as above
> HT6000 SD
> MT400V C/V + Analog Filter
> GZ50M PCM (GM)
> Hohner HS1 (FZ1) Sampling plus Limited step Waveform drawing
>
>
> ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>
> Casio did indeed have a sine wave based sound engine as used in the
> Casiotone 1000P, 701 and I think a few other models circa 1981 or so. I
> have a 1000P amongst my collection, and the CT6000 sounds nothing like it!
> The 1000P has a very warm sound with some surprisingly deep bass
> available.
> It is good for organ type sounds, but that's about it. Apparently, using
> just sine waves to generate sounds/ tones, these are very hard to use to
> make any real changes to the overall timbre of the sound. Probably why
> Casio quickly gave up on this idea and moved to the Consonant Vowel engine
> as used in most of their lower end models from the early 80's until PCM
> engines took over. As mentioned above, the CT6000 was released in late
> 1984
> immediately before Phase Distortion came in on the higher spec 'pro' CZ
> models in 1985. With the pitch bend wheel, midi and bell like 'digital
> sounds' (that FM and PD synthesis were famously good at generating) it
> sounds and behaves much more like a CZ than a 1000P.
>
>
> On 30 September 2013 13:16, D T <sneakyflute@...> wrote:
>
> **
>
>  Didn't Casio also have some sine-wave based engine on the 1000P and 701
> (and probably others)? Could it have that technology instead?
>
> D
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Krull" <paul.krull@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)




Here's a link to what looks like the whole set of FZ factory disks:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4797433/FZ10-M.zip




I apologize if it's actually some alien worm but I've downloaded it and
unzipped it and have a stack of FZ 20M formatted floppies standing by so
I'll be the first to go if it all goes wrong.
Cheers,
Paul T








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 From: Paul Krull <paul.krull@...>
To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)










There are pages of public domain FZ sounds out there but of course I didn't
come across any searching just now. I think it would be great to have a file
section where floppy files can be uploaded and downloaded. It does a lot to
extend the lives of some of these synths to have ready access to to a bunch
of public domain sounds. I've been downloading floppy files for Kawai K5000
series sounds and Yamaha SY 99 sounds and it's great. I have many of the
Casio factory disks for the FZ samplers which I got from a member of
Queensryche strangely enough.
Paul T








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 From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)






pawn shop here in town had one for sale








for 6 years..








i think it eventually fell off the shelf and then off to the bin.....
















should have bought up all the tb303 i saw too at the time
$99 each!!!!








ohh the years gone bye
time time time








any body think i should start a submission request thread for fz and cz
users?
looking for the casio disks which came with the fz1/10








series
"FZ Sound Disk C FL-C1"
including demonstration tune
optional software mode
















charlie
















----- Original Message -----
From: "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)
















I didn't know it had previously been up for sale. Looks like the winning
bidder did the rather too common thing of backing out of the winning bid.
Still, for 20 quid a midi keyboard with velocity and after-touch is
somewhat a bargain, even if it weights as much as the QE2!









And here's another CT6000 up for sale, this time for our American friends:








http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-CASIO-CT-6000-Keyboard-Large-MIDI-Synthesizer-with-Unusual-Features-80s-/141063347935?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item20d807dedf
















On 2 October 2013 23:45, <ianweb@...ex.com> wrote:








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>
>
>
 Strange because the same item was flagged as sold for £19.99 the other
> day..
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231057904553?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D17233%26meid%3D1707109365446012145%26pid%3D100019%26prg%3D8045%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D251343755942%26&nma=true&si=u6%252FO5F65v26xnh6WRsLEGtf1A3g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>
>


>
> ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>
> For those in the UK interested in owning one of these Casios, I've just
> found two that have come up on Ebay:
>
> CT6000:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231064724023?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item35cc87e237
>
> And a
 CT6500 has also turned up:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Casio-CT-6500-keyboard-electric-piano-with-stand-/261296904510?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3cd682593e
>
>
> I am not linked to either of these sales. Just thought it might be of
> interest for those in this groups interested in owning one of these retro
> Casios :-)
>

>
>
> On 2 October 2013 03:25, Paul Krull <paul.krull@...> wrote:
>
> **
>

>   I love the various early Casios and have a few myself:
>
> CT 202 C/V
> CT 1000P Pseudo Additive
> CZ 5000 PD
> CZ 1 PD
> CZ 101   PD
> SK-2100
> SK 5
> VL-1
> VZ 10M x 2
> FZ 10M
> FZ 20M
> RZ-1
> MT 35
> MT 40
> MT 68
> CT 7000
> CT 701
> CT 403 x 2
>
>
> You can
 still find a lot of these if you keep looking. There's a VZ 8m
> for sale locally sitting in a music store's rack where it's been for a
> couple years priced very cheap, I suppose I should be a completest and
> pick
> it up but I don't really want to. What a great company with so many cool
> instruments.
>   Paul T
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* "ianweb@..." <ianweb@...>
>
> *To:* CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
> ICs?)

>
>
>
> The 1000P came to market after the Consonent/Vowel synths. I too have a
> huge number of Casio synths - as below:
>
> CT202 C/V
> CT1000P Pseudo
 Additive
> CZ3000 PD
> Hohner HS2 (VZ1) PD/FM/RM
> VZ8m as above
> HT6000 SD
> MT400V C/V + Analog Filter
> GZ50M PCM (GM)
> Hohner HS1 (FZ1) Sampling plus Limited step Waveform drawing
>
>
> ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>
> Casio did indeed have a sine wave based sound engine as used in the
> Casiotone 1000P, 701 and I think a few other models circa 1981 or so. I
> have a 1000P amongst my collection, and the CT6000 sounds nothing like it!
> The 1000P has a very warm sound with some surprisingly deep bass
> available.
> It is good for organ type sounds, but that's about it. Apparently, using
> just sine waves to generate sounds/ tones, these are very hard to use to
> make any real changes to the overall timbre of the sound.
 Probably why
> Casio quickly gave up on this idea and moved to the Consonant Vowel engine
> as used in most of their lower end models from the early 80's until PCM
> engines took over. As mentioned above, the CT6000 was released in late
> 1984
> immediately before Phase Distortion came in on the higher spec 'pro' CZ
> models in 1985. With the pitch bend wheel, midi and bell like 'digital
> sounds' (that FM and PD synthesis were famously good at generating) it
> sounds and behaves much more like a CZ than a 1000P.
>
>
> On 30 September 2013 13:16, D T <sneakyflute@...> wrote:
>
> **
>
> Didn't Casio also have some sine-wave based engine on the 1000P and 701
> (and probably others)? Could it have that technology instead?
>
>
 D
>





>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
















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From: Paul Krull

To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 5:20 AM

Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)

Here's a link to what looks like the whole set of FZ factory disks:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4797433/FZ10-M.zip

I apologize if it's actually some alien worm but I've downloaded it and unzipped it and have a stack of FZ 20M formatted floppies standing by so I'll be the first to go if it all goes wrong.

Cheers,

Paul T

From: Paul Krull
To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)

There are pages of public domain FZ sounds out there but of course I didn't come across any searching just now. I think it would be great to have a file section where floppy files can be uploaded and downloaded. It does a lot to extend the lives of some of these synths to have ready access to to a bunch of public domain sounds. I've been downloading floppy files for Kawai K5000 series sounds and Yamaha SY 99 sounds and it's great. I have many of the Casio factory disks for the FZ samplers which I got from a member of Queensryche strangely enough.

Paul T

From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)

pawn shop here in town had one for sale


for 6 years..


i think it eventually fell off the shelf and then off to the bin.....




should have bought up all the tb303 i saw too at the time
$99 each!!!!


ohh the years gone bye
time time time


any body think i should start a submission request thread for fz and cz
users?
looking for the casio disks which came with the fz1/10


series
"FZ Sound Disk C FL-C1"
including demonstration tune
optional software mode




charlie




----- Original Message -----
From: "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)




I didn't know it had previously been up for sale. Looks like the winning
bidder did the rather too common thing of backing out of the winning bid.
Still, for 20 quid a midi keyboard with velocity and after-touch is
somewhat a bargain, even if it weights as much as the QE2!


And here's another CT6000 up for sale, this time for our American friends:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-CASIO-CT-6000-Keyboard-Large-MIDI-Synthesizer-with-Unusual-Features-80s-/141063347935?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item20d807dedf




On 2 October 2013 23:45, <ianweb@...> wrote:


> **
>
>
> Strange because the same item was flagged as sold for £19.99 the other
> day..
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231057904553?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D17233%26meid%3D1707109365446012145%26pid%3D100019%26prg%3D8045%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D251343755942%26&nma=true&si=u6%252FO5F65v26xnh6WRsLEGtf1A3g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>
>
>
> ---In czsynth@...m, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>
> For those in the UK interested in owning one of these Casios, I've just
> found two that have come up on Ebay:
>
> CT6000:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231064724023?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item35cc87e237
>
> And a CT6500 has also turned up:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Casio-CT-6500-keyboard-electric-piano-with-stand-/261296904510?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3cd682593e
>
>
> I am not linked to either of these sales. Just thought it might be of
> interest for those in this groups interested in owning one of these retro
> Casios :-)
>
>
>
> On 2 October 2013 03:25, Paul Krull wrote:
>
> **
>
> I love the various early Casios and have a few myself:
>
> CT 202 C/V
> CT 1000P Pseudo Additive
> CZ 5000 PD
> CZ 1 PD
> CZ 101 PD
> SK-2100
> SK 5
> VL-1
> VZ 10M x 2
> FZ 10M
> FZ 20M
> RZ-1
> MT 35
> MT 40
> MT 68
> CT 7000
> CT 701
> CT 403 x 2
>
>
> You can still find a lot of these if you keep looking. There's a VZ 8m
> for sale locally sitting in a music store's rack where it's been for a
> couple years priced very cheap, I suppose I should be a completest and
> pick
> it up but I don't really want to. What a great company with so many cool
> instruments.
>; Paul T
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "ianweb@..."
>
> *To:* CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
> ICs?)
>
>
>
> The 1000P came to market after the Consonent/Vowel synths. I too have a
> huge number of Casio synths - as below:
>
> CT202 C/V
> CT1000P Pseudo Additive
> CZ3000 PD
> Hohner HS2 (VZ1) PD/FM/RM
> VZ8m as above
> HT6000 SD
> MT400V C/V + Analog Filter
> GZ50M PCM (GM)
> Hohner HS1 (FZ1) Sampling plus Limited step Waveform drawing
>
>
> ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
>
> Casio did indeed have a sine wave based sound engine as used in the
> Casiotone 1000P, 701 and I think a few other models circa 1981 or so. I
> have a 1000P amongst my collection, and the CT6000 sounds nothing like it!
> The 1000P has a very warm sound with some surprisingly deep bass
> available.
> It is good for organ type sounds, but that's about it. Apparently, using
> just sine waves to generate sounds/ tones, these are very hard to use to
> make any real changes to the overall timbre of the sound. Probably why
> Casio quickly gave up on this idea and moved to the Consonant Vowel engine
> as used in most of their lower end models from the early 80's until PCM
> engines took over. As mentioned above, the CT6000 was released in late
> 1984
> immediately before Phase Distortion came in on the higher spec 'pro' CZ
> models in 1985. With the pitch bend wheel, midi and bell like 'digital
> sounds' (that FM and PD synthesis were famously good at generating) it
> sounds and behaves much more like a CZ than a 1000P.
>
>
> On 30 September 2013 13:16, D T wrote:
>
> **
>
> Didn't Casio also have some sine-wave based engine on the 1000P and 701
> (and probably others)? Could it have that technology instead?
>
> D
>

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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----- Original Message -----
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)




there should be 150 fzb disks


they are not floppy format you will need to dump them then save to floppy
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Paul Krull
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 5:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)








   Here's a link to what looks like the whole set of FZ factory disks:
   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4797433/FZ10-M.zip




  I apologize if it's actually some alien worm but I've downloaded it and
unzipped it and have a stack of FZ 20M formatted floppies standing by so
I'll be the first to go if it all goes wrong.
   Cheers,
      Paul T






------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: Paul Krull <paul.krull@...>
  To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)






   There are pages of public domain FZ sounds out there but of course I
didn't come across any searching just now. I think it would be great to have
a file section where floppy files can be uploaded and downloaded. It does a
lot to extend the lives of some of these synths to have ready access to to a
bunch of public domain sounds. I've been downloading floppy files for Kawai
K5000 series sounds and Yamaha SY 99 sounds and it's great. I have many of
the Casio factory disks for the FZ samplers which I got from a member of
Queensryche strangely enough.
     Paul T






------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
ICs?)




  pawn shop here in town had one for sale




  for 6 years..




  i think it eventually fell off the shelf and then off to the bin.....








  should have bought up all the tb303 i saw too at the time
  $99 each!!!!




  ohh the years gone bye
  time time time




  any body think i should start a submission request  thread for fz and cz
  users?
  looking for  the casio disks  which came with the fz1/10




  series
  "FZ Sound Disk C FL-C1"
  including demonstration tune
  optional software mode








  charlie








  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "350ypvs@...m" <350ypvs@...>
  To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
  ICs?)








  I didn't know it had previously been up for sale. Looks like the winning
  bidder did the rather too common thing of backing out of the winning bid.
  Still, for 20 quid a midi keyboard with velocity and after-touch is
  somewhat a bargain, even if it weights as much as the QE2!




  And here's another CT6000 up for sale, this time for our American friends:




  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-CASIO-CT-6000-Keyboard-Large-MIDI-Synthesizer-with-Unusual-Features-80s-/141063347935?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item20d807dedf








  On 2 October 2013 23:45, <ianweb@...> wrote:




  > **
  >
  >
  > Strange because the same item was flagged as sold for £19.99 the other
  > day..
  >
  >
  >
  >
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231057904553?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D17233%26meid%3D1707109365446012145%26pid%3D100019%26prg%3D8045%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D251343755942%26&nma=true&si=u6%252FO5F65v26xnh6WRsLEGtf1A3g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
  >
  >
  >
  > ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
  >
  > For those in the UK interested in owning one of these Casios, I've just
  > found two that have come up on Ebay:
  >
  > CT6000:
  >
  >
  >
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/casio-ct6000-Vintage-Keyboard-/231064724023?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item35cc87e237
  >
  > And a CT6500 has also turned up:
  >
  >
  >
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Casio-CT-6500-keyboard-electric-piano-with-stand-/261296904510?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3cd682593e
  >
  >
  > I am not linked to either of these sales. Just thought it might be of
  > interest for those in this groups interested in owning one of these
retro
  > Casios :-)
  >
  >
  >
  > On 2 October 2013 03:25, Paul Krull <paul.krull@...> wrote:
  >
  > **
  >
  >  I love the various early Casios and have a few myself:
  >
  > CT 202 C/V
  > CT 1000P Pseudo Additive
  > CZ 5000 PD
  > CZ 1        PD
  > CZ 101  PD
  > SK-2100
  > SK 5
  > VL-1
  > VZ 10M x 2
  > FZ 10M
  > FZ 20M
  > RZ-1
  > MT 35
  > MT 40
  > MT 68
  > CT 7000
  > CT 701
  > CT 403 x 2
  >
  >
  >  You can still find a lot of these if you keep looking. There's a VZ 8m
  > for sale locally sitting in a music store's rack where it's been for a
  > couple years priced very cheap, I suppose I should be a completest and
  > pick
  > it up but I don't really want to. What a great company with so many cool
  > instruments.
  >  Paul T
  >
  >
  >
  >  ------------------------------
  >  *From:* "ianweb@..." <ianweb@...>
  >
  > *To:* CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  > *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 1:18 PM
  > *Subject:* [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
  > ICs?)
  >
  >
  >
  >  The 1000P came to market after the Consonent/Vowel synths. I too have a
  > huge number of Casio synths - as below:
  >
  > CT202 C/V
  > CT1000P Pseudo Additive
  > CZ3000 PD
  > Hohner HS2 (VZ1) PD/FM/RM
  > VZ8m as above
  > HT6000 SD
  > MT400V C/V + Analog Filter
  > GZ50M PCM (GM)

  > Hohner HS1 (FZ1) Sampling plus Limited step Waveform drawing
  >
  >
  > ---In czsynth@yahoogroups.com, <350ypvs@...> wrote:
  >
  > Casio did indeed have a sine wave based sound engine as used in the
  > Casiotone 1000P, 701 and I think a few other models circa 1981 or so. I
  > have a 1000P amongst my collection, and the CT6000 sounds nothing like
it!
  > The 1000P has a very warm sound with some surprisingly deep bass
  > available.
  > It is good for organ type sounds, but that's about it. Apparently, using
  > just sine waves to generate sounds/ tones, these are very hard to use to
  > make any real changes to the overall timbre of the sound. Probably why
  > Casio quickly gave up on this idea and moved to the Consonant Vowel
engine
  > as used in most of their lower end models from the early 80's until PCM
  > engines took over. As mentioned above, the CT6000 was released in late
  > 1984
  > immediately before Phase Distortion came in on the higher spec 'pro' CZ
  > models in 1985. With the pitch bend wheel, midi and bell like 'digital
  > sounds' (that FM and PD synthesis were famously good at generating) it
  > sounds and behaves much more like a CZ than a 1000P.
  >
  >
  > On 30 September 2013 13:16, D T <sneakyflute@...> wrote:
  >
  > **
  >
  >  Didn't Casio also have some sine-wave based engine on the 1000P and 701
  > (and probably others)? Could it have that technology instead?
  >
  > D
  >


  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >








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On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:29 PM, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

> hey paul thanks but those are the same disks as
> the user disks,,,   142 of them
> 
> 
> im surprised nobody has uploadedwhat im looking for and shared these disks 
> called "fz sound disk" series
> 
> 
>  as they are great voices  from a professional company (from casio 
> themselves!)
> 
> 
> still looking
> charlie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Krull" <paul.krull@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main 
> ICs?)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's a link to what looks like the whole set of FZ factory disks:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4797433/FZ10-M.zip
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I apologize if it's actually some alien worm but I've downloaded it and 
> unzipped it and have a stack of FZ 20M formatted floppies standing by so 
> I'll be the first to go if it all goes wrong.
> Cheers,
> Paul T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Krull <paul.krull@...>
> To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main 
> ICs?)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There are pages of public domain FZ sounds out there but of course I didn't 
> come across any searching just now. I think it would be great to have a file 
> section where floppy files can be uploaded and downloaded. It does a lot to 
> extend the lives of some of these synths to have ready access to to a bunch 
> of public domain sounds. I've been downloading floppy files for Kawai K5000 
> series sounds and Yamaha SY 99 sounds and it's great. I have many of the 
> Casio factory disks for the FZ samplers which I got from a member of 
> Queensryche strangely enough.
> Paul T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main 
> ICs?)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> pawn shop here in town had one for sale
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> for 6 years..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i think it eventually fell off the shelf and then off to the bin.....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> should have bought up all the tb303 i saw too at the time
> $99 each!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ohh the years gone bye
> time time time
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> any body think i should start a submission request thread for fz and cz
> users?
> looking for the casio disks which came with the fz1/10
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> series
> "FZ Sound Disk C FL-C1"
> including demonstration tune
> optional software mode
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> charlie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
> ICs?)
> 
> 
> 
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>> For those in the UK interested in owning one of these Casios, I've just
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>> CT 202 C/V
>> CT 1000P Pseudo Additive
>> CZ 5000 PD
>> CZ 1 PD
>> CZ 101   PD
>> SK-2100
>> SK 5
>> VL-1
>> VZ 10M x 2
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>> FZ 20M
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>> MT 40
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> still find a lot of these if you keep looking. There's a VZ 8m
>> for sale locally sitting in a music store's rack where it's been for a
>> couple years priced very cheap, I suppose I should be a completest and
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>> it up but I don't really want to. What a great company with so many cool
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>>  Paul T
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>> *From:* "ianweb@..." <ianweb@...>
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>> *To:* CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 1:18 PM
>> *Subject:* [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main
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>> The 1000P came to market after the Consonent/Vowel synths. I too have a
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>> CT1000P Pseudo
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>> CZ3000 PD
>> Hohner HS2 (VZ1) PD/FM/RM
>> VZ8m as above
>> HT6000 SD
>> MT400V C/V + Analog Filter
>> GZ50M PCM (GM)
>> Hohner HS1 (FZ1) Sampling plus Limited step Waveform drawing
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>> Casio did indeed have a sine wave based sound engine as used in the
>> Casiotone 1000P, 701 and I think a few other models circa 1981 or so. I
>> have a 1000P amongst my collection, and the CT6000 sounds nothing like it!
>> The 1000P has a very warm sound with some surprisingly deep bass
>> available.
>> It is good for organ type sounds, but that's about it. Apparently, using
>> just sine waves to generate sounds/ tones, these are very hard to use to
>> make any real changes to the overall timbre of the sound.
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>> as used in most of their lower end models from the early 80's until PCM
>> engines took over. As mentioned above, the CT6000 was released in late
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>> immediately before Phase Distortion came in on the higher spec 'pro' CZ
>> models in 1985. With the pitch bend wheel, midi and bell like 'digital
>> sounds' (that FM and PD synthesis were famously good at generating) it
>> sounds and behaves much more like a CZ than a 1000P.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Krull

To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 2:32 AM

Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)

Sorry, wrong about the "Soundwaves" floppy library. It's third party. See below.

So I guess I don't have any of the public domain sounds for the FZ. That gives me more incentive into figuring out how to download those blasted fzf files. Is the FZ Dump a free tool? I don't want to have to admit that I don't even own a PC to MIDI interface at this point in my life. Actually I dug out my old Steinberg PC MIDI interface a couple months back and I couldn't even figure out what possible port it might've been intended for. I hope it wasn't for a Commodore. In my own feeble defense I do have a basic MAC to MIDI adapter that I got back in the day for my CZ 101. I still have the CZ librarian/ editor and some sounds which came in handy when I got the CZ 1 and the CZ 5000 a few months ago.

As the Director of Software Division with K-Muse Inc., Arne was responsible for the world's first ever 3rd party sample library - "The Sound Composer's Series" for the Ensoniq Mirage (released over 20 years ago, and developed on a MAC+ with 1MB of RAM, and a Dyaxis 16bit AD/DA ($20k) system... Yikes!). He then did a 50 disk library for the Casio FZ-1 after starting his own company, "SoundWaves".

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 5:52 PM, Paul wrote:

I have 34 or so "Soundwaves" floppies that I believe came from Casio.
Paul T

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On Oct 9, 2013, at 12:23 AM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Krull
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Casio CT-6000: has it phase distortion? (main ICs?)
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>  Sorry, wrong about the "Soundwaves" floppy library. It's third party. See below. 
> So I guess I don't have any of the public domain sounds for the FZ. That gives me more incentive into figuring out how to download those blasted fzf files. Is the FZ Dump a free tool? I don't want to have to admit that I don't even own a PC to MIDI interface at this point in my life. Actually I dug out my old Steinberg PC MIDI interface a couple months back and I couldn't even figure out what possible port it might've been intended for. I hope it wasn't for a Commodore. In my own feeble defense I do have a basic MAC to MIDI adapter that I got back in the day for my CZ 101.  I still have the CZ librarian/ editor and some sounds which came in handy when I got the CZ 1 and the CZ 5000 a few months ago. 
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> As the Director of Software Division with K-Muse Inc., Arne was responsible for the world's first ever 3rd party sample library - "The Sound Composer's Series" for the Ensoniq Mirage (released over 20 years ago, and developed on a MAC+ with 1MB of RAM, and a Dyaxis 16bit AD/DA ($20k) system... Yikes!). He then did a 50 disk library for the Casio FZ-1 after starting his own company, "SoundWaves".
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> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 5:52 PM, Paul <paul.krull@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have 34 or so "Soundwaves" floppies that I believe came from Casio.
> Paul T
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On 5 October 2013 20:39, Ian Webster <ianwebster04@...> wrote:




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>I have put my HT6000 up for sale on a Buy it Now at Ebay.co.uk if anybody 
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>On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:04 AM, <cowindler01@...> wrote:
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>>The Casio CT-6000 from 1984 was Casios first keyboard with velocity 
>>sensitive keys and midi. It also has very versatile accompaniment and can 
>>layer sounds. I always thought it was based on Consonant-Vowel-Synthesis 
>>(crossfaded stair waveforms with analogue filter, like MT-65), but some 
>>people claim it was based on phase distortion. The first official PD 
>>preset keyboard (marketet as such by Casio) was its even bigger successor 
>>CT-6500, which (how silly is this!) had no velocity sensitive keys 
>>anymore. I yet haven't bought a CT-6000 (takes much space), but it seems 
>>to be a true technical milestone.
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>>- What are the main ICs?
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>>If CT-6000 has sound ICs "NEC D931C", then it is definitely 
>>consonant-vowel. In oppsite to this, the phase distortion IC in my CZ-101 
>>is "NEC D933D".
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>>Are anywhere PCB photos online?
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>>- Is the percussion semi-analogue or sample based?
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>>The sound quality on YouTube wasn't high enough to identify this.
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