Using my new cubase I was trying to audition good trumpet sounds using my halion sonic se. But not when I started using the VZ trumpet that darn thing sure cuts through the mix real good. If i'm not satisfied with certain sounds my VZ-1 or10M sure comes very handy. I may decide to work on new sounds for the future later on. Maybe just a handful of new effects patches that I think I had been missing. Only for the VZ.