Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hello all i just joined...my old CZ-1 needs repair..its operation 
memory has gone wacky..BTW how long is the internal battery supposed 
to last? this machine i bought new in 86.  I am in the western ny 
state area (Buffalo, Rochester NY) but am willing to ship it across 
country to a good shop..also i probably could repair it myself if i 
could buy service manual and parts..many thanks in advance..reply to 
melinx@...  Finally i have a VZ10M that workds fine, what 
windows (xp) editor/librarian do you recomend?

> Finally i have a VZ10M that workds fine, what 
> windows (xp) editor/librarian do you recomend?

I'd recommend Midi Quest (www.squest.com) I have it and use it on
XPthere's also a freeware editor called VZ Patch but I have not tried
this on XP.

Regards
 
Graham

I have MidiQuest also. Very good and (amazingly) totally PAINLESS program. 
I was extremely impressed that it was able to connect and communicate with 
all my synths thru a USB MidiSport "right out of the box" with no tweaking 
required.

Andy


At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 +0000, you wrote:

> > Finally i have a VZ10M that workds fine, what
> > windows (xp) editor/librarian do you recomend?
>
>I'd recommend Midi Quest (www.squest.com) I have it and use it on
>XPthere's also a freeware editor called VZ Patch but I have not tried
>this on XP.
>
>Regards
>
>Graham
>
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----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Andrew Bohachewsky 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [CZsynth] CZ1 needs repair, plse suggest a shop
  Does Midiquest also support the CZ1??
  Daniel

  I have MidiQuest also. Very good and (amazingly) totally PAINLESS program. 
  I was extremely impressed that it was able to connect and communicate with 
  all my synths thru a USB MidiSport "right out of the box" with no tweaking 
  required.

  Andy


  At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 +0000, you wrote:
  > > Finally i have a VZ10M that workds fine, what
  > > windows (xp) editor/librarian do you recomend?
  >
  >I'd recommend Midi Quest (www.squest.com) I have it and use it on
  >XPthere's also a freeware editor called VZ Patch but I have not tried
  >this on XP.
  >
  >Regards
  >
  >Graham
  >
  >
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as far as repair shops go, i suggest staying away from NYC's rogue music,
and their repair guy, "armon" or "armond".

i'm not sure if the word is german or yiddish, but the only word i can
think of to describe his business ethic is "sheister".

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What makes you say this?  Please be more specific.  I always like to think reports like this might not be 100% true, but I have heard similar from quite a few other people.  

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  as far as repair shops go, i suggest staying away from NYC's rogue music,
  and their repair guy, "armon" or "armond".

  i'm not sure if the word is german or yiddish, but the only word i can
  think of to describe his business ethic is "sheister".

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> What makes you say this?  Please be more specific.  I always like to
> think reports like this might not be 100% true, but I have heard similar
> from quite a few other people.
==================

first of all, i'm not gonna knock his work, because all i know about is
that he rack-mounts some old synths, and doubles the sticker price...
nothing really alarming about that. i don't know anything about the
quality of his repair work.

my complaint lies only with the way he conducts his business.

i experienced his crooked business practices when i traded in my JX-3P &
PG-200, both in excellent shape. while he was checking them out, to make
sure they work, i got called into the back room, and it was explained to
me that the PG-200 was not working... he 'proved' this by turning knobs,
and nothing happened, explaining that it may have worked fine before, but
it was probably damaged on the way there. never-mind that i took them
there in a well padded hard case. anyway, he explained that they could
still take it for a trade-in, and "only" deduct a few hundred dollars for
the repairs that it needs (leaving me with about $20 of trade-in, after
repair costs). i then reached over to the connector on the back of the
synth that was only partially plugged in, and fully inserted it, turned
knobs on the PG-200, and everything (except armon's bruised ego) was fine.

there is NO LEGITIMATE EXCUSE for this from anyone who claims to be a
synth tech. either:
	A) he is a crappy tech, for not finding the cause of the problem
or
	B) he knew what he was doing and trying to scam me

i can think of no other explanation for what happened. since i've heard
some good stories about his [expensive] repair skills, i have to assume
that the correct answer is "B", and he is a sheister.


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Based on what friends have told me, this is typical of this guy and the right answer would probably be B in your case.  I don't know how anyone can get away with this sort of thing and still stay in business.  I have heard people say "oh, Rogue Music is good to deal with, but watch out for that Arman (Rogue's repair) guy".  Well, if you're going to be in business, you should pick your partners / employees wisely.  If Rogue was so good to deal with, they certainly wouldn't let someone operate like that in their store.  Did you complain to their owner?  If so, what did he say?  I have noticed threads in the past where he was quick to try to resolve complaints made in public, but how many similar cases are there which haven't been reported?  I wonder whether it is Arman or Rogue or both who profit from this sort of practice.

----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ1 needs repair, plse suggest a shop


  > What makes you say this?  Please be more specific.  I always like to
  > think reports like this might not be 100% true, but I have heard similar
  > from quite a few other people.
  ==================

  first of all, i'm not gonna knock his work, because all i know about is
  that he rack-mounts some old synths, and doubles the sticker price...
  nothing really alarming about that. i don't know anything about the
  quality of his repair work.

  my complaint lies only with the way he conducts his business.

  i experienced his crooked business practices when i traded in my JX-3P &
  PG-200, both in excellent shape. while he was checking them out, to make
  sure they work, i got called into the back room, and it was explained to
  me that the PG-200 was not working... he 'proved' this by turning knobs,
  and nothing happened, explaining that it may have worked fine before, but
  it was probably damaged on the way there. never-mind that i took them
  there in a well padded hard case. anyway, he explained that they could
  still take it for a trade-in, and "only" deduct a few hundred dollars for
  the repairs that it needs (leaving me with about $20 of trade-in, after
  repair costs). i then reached over to the connector on the back of the
  synth that was only partially plugged in, and fully inserted it, turned
  knobs on the PG-200, and everything (except armon's bruised ego) was fine.

  there is NO LEGITIMATE EXCUSE for this from anyone who claims to be a
  synth tech. either:
        A) he is a crappy tech, for not finding the cause of the problem
  or
        B) he knew what he was doing and trying to scam me

  i can think of no other explanation for what happened. since i've heard
  some good stories about his [expensive] repair skills, i have to assume
  that the correct answer is "B", and he is a sheister.


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> Based on what friends have told me, this is typical of this guy and the
> right answer would probably be B in your case.  I don't know how anyone
> can get away with this sort of thing and still stay in business.  I have
> heard people say "oh, Rogue Music is good to deal with, but watch out
> for that Arman (Rogue's repair) guy".  Well, if you're going to be in
> business, you should pick your partners / employees wisely.  If Rogue
> was so good to deal with, they certainly wouldn't let someone operate
> like that in their store.  Did you complain to their owner?  If so, what
> did he say?  I have noticed threads in the past where he was quick to
> try to resolve complaints made in public, but how many similar cases are
> there which haven't been reported?  I wonder whether it is Arman or
> Rogue or both who profit from this sort of practice.
===========

i didn't mention it to anyone, because in my experience they would just
claim that it's an honest mistake. for my immediate needs (trading in my
synth, and going home with a different one), it was resolved when i
plugged in the cable.

i suspect that armon and the store both profit from this. he's crooked,
and they know about it, which makes them crooked.

the *ONLY* way to deal with it is to make it publicly known.

i just remembered another time i stopped by [rogue], asking about some
ROLAND parts.... i just needed some knobs to replace the old, beat up
knobs on a piece i just got (i think it was a TR-606). i figured they
might keep inventory on a common part like that, and save myself some time
in shipping from CA to NJ. i was told that they can't sell just the parts,
but feel free to bring in the unit and they'll fix it for me. i ordered
the parts from ROLAND and did the repair myself.


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	"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
		-- The Wizard Of Oz

I had a similar experience once with an auto repair shop. I needed a 
belt replaced for the starter. The guy who worked on the car put a 
screw in the starter a such a way that it appeared the starter had 
broken. When I checked it out, I pulled the screw out and and 
crancked the starter to prove what they had done.
I'm glad I read this about Rouge. At least I know in advance what 
kind of business they are, should I ever go there. Thanks for 
exposing them for who they are.  -Rick M.