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2004-05-31 by texhand
#1 Has anyone ever successfully use the tape interface on the cz-5000? I think I could get a 8 pin cable, but the recorder to huck up?? Was a recorder ever made to connect to 8 pin cable? #2 Is bulk loading to ram card the only way to use ram card? #3 What is the best pc editor for the cz's?
2004-06-01 by Simon Beck
The cable that you need is probably similar to the one that came with my Yamaha RX-21 drum machine in about 1985. It has an 8-pin DIN plug on one end and (I think) two 3.5mm and one 2.5mm jack plugs on the other. The larger plugs were for the mic and earphone sockets of a typical mono cassette recorder (they were often used for home computer data backup at the time) and the 2.5mm plug could start and stop the cassette if the recorder had a remote switch facility. I successfully backed up data from my drum machine using this facility, and you could probably store CZ-5000 sequencer data on a PC as audio in the same way. Simon Beck London, UK
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#1 Has anyone ever successfully use the tape interface on the cz-5000?
I think I could get a 8 pin cable, but the recorder to huck up?? Was a
recorder ever made to connect to 8 pin cable?
#2 Is bulk loading to ram card the only way to use ram card?
#3 What is the best pc editor for the cz's?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-06-01 by steve_the_composer
I have mine somewhere in the garage. I am just writing to confirm Simon's comments. 1 plug for record. 1 plug for playback. 1 plug for start stop. Setting levels was a bit tricky, though less tricky than my KORG EX-800 tape interface was. I seem to recall AGC (automatic gain control) was not recomended. I, too, used the MT cable with the CZ-5000 very successfully (patch banks and sequences). I never tried it with a wav file, but I assume it should work. I wonder if MP3 or other compression schemes would work. If you need to build a cable or find a compatible substitute, I could find my MT cable and test the din pin connections with a multi- meter. I have a feeling this may already be on the internet, though. Check out the Casio CZ sites. Hope this helps --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Beck" <simon@a...> wrote: > The cable that you need is probably similar to the one that came with my Yamaha RX-21 drum machine in about 1985. It has an 8-pin DIN plug on one end and (I think) two 3.5mm and one 2.5mm jack plugs on the other. The larger plugs were for the mic and earphone sockets of a typical mono cassette recorder (they were often used for home computer data backup at the time) and the 2.5mm plug could start and stop the cassette if the recorder had a remote switch facility. I successfully backed up data from my drum machine using this facility, and you could probably store CZ-5000 sequencer data on a PC as audio in the same way. > > Simon Beck > London, UK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: texhand > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:42 PM > Subject: [CZsynth] M/T--- Hello > > > #1 Has anyone ever successfully use the tape interface on the cz- 5000? > I think I could get a 8 pin cable, but the recorder to huck up?? Was a > recorder ever made to connect to 8 pin cable? > > #2 Is bulk loading to ram card the only way to use ram card? > > #3 What is the best pc editor for the cz's? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2004-06-01 by Max Romantschuk
steve_the_composer wrote: > I, too, used the MT cable with the CZ-5000 very successfully (patch > banks and sequences). I never tried it with a wav file, but I assume > it should work. I wonder if MP3 or other compression schemes would > work. Modern PCs have fidelity far beyond cheap 80s casette recorders, so storing the data on the PC should work just fine. MP3 probably won't work. MP3 is based on psycoacoustic lossy compression, which in turn relies on how the brain processes sound. MP3 won't accomodate for stuff you wouldn't hear, but still is significant data for the device storing/loading the data. In short, don't try it. Could work, but probably won't. Even if it does uncompressed Wav files will be small in relation to modern hard drives. What you probably can to to save space is drop to 8 bits 22KHz instead of 16 bits 44KHz. It is unlikely the lost dynamic range top end frequencies are required by something designed to store data using an audio casette recorder. .max -- Max Romantschuk http://max.nma.fi/
2004-06-01 by steve_the_composer
Thanks for the thoughts, max. I tend to recall that low frequency response (voice) tapes worked fine--maybe even better than better quality music tapes. If so, 8 bit 22KHz might be better!! I may try this if I ever have some spare time and if I can find my old digital CZ tapes. I recall either reading or having an article decades ago that explained the mechanics of cassette tape interface modulation. It may have been in conjunction with the Commodore 64 computer, but I believe the mechanics were the same. (The phrase "frequency key shifting" comes to mind. Admittedly, though, my mind isn't what it used to be.) --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Max Romantschuk <max@p...> wrote: > Modern PCs have fidelity far beyond cheap 80s casette recorders, so > storing the data on the PC should work just fine. [snip]
> What you probably can to to save space is drop to 8 bits 22KHz > instead of 16 bits 44KHz. It is unlikely the lost dynamic range top > end frequencies are required by something designed to store data > using an audio casette recorder. > > .max