Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

I'm getting a Korg DW 8000.  Anyone know of a good patch editor 
for Windows for this?

I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group.  Sorry if it bugs some of 
you that I'm asking here.

Back on topic...haven't gotten my CZ 101 fixed yet, but it's still 
usable, so I'm using it.  I will probably eventually buy another CZ 
101, but right now I've got other things to pay off and I just found out 
that I'm going to need a new radiator for my chevy blazer soon.  
Always having problems with that thing.

Joey Cagle AKA Joseph Experimental
501 Will Rd.
Middlesex, NC 27557

http://www.josephexperimental.com - The Other Electronic Music.
(919) 269 7969

>I'm getting a Korg DW 8000.  Anyone know of a good patch editor
>for Windows for this?
>
>I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group.  Sorry if it bugs some of
>you that I'm asking here.

Off-topic certainly, but it seems like we're all synth nerds here.

Anyway the DW-8000 is very nice sounding, though fairly limited.  Though you 
don't really need an editor, there's an old (windows 3.1) editor here: 
http://www.netaxs.com/~aruggeri/dw8000.htm or you could use a general 
purpose midi-editor program.  I have to ask, though, have you considered the 
DSS-1?  It's very cheap now, and essentially a DW-8000 (same basic voice 
structure, same lovely filters) with user-definable waveforms and some other 
added features (dual delays, oscillator sync, waveform creation via additive 
synthesis and drawing, it's a sampler too but I don't think it's 
particularly useful in that regard).  If you don't mind the size/weight 
(it's absolutely massive and there's no rack model) and you get one with a 
working disk drive, it would probably be a better alternative, for probably 
about the same price.

What a surprise - more gearfreaks all looking for that special and
unique feel and sound.

I used to have a DW8000. This synth has bucket loads of character. I
tried that editor, but never got it to work, though I found the DW8000
pretty easy to program - very well designed and almost as easy to
program as a Juno 60. You won't need to look at the manual if you've
programmed an analogue before. The DW8000 does not have bucket loads
of modulation options, but the inbuilt delay is a great feature
(especially for the time - it was the first ever synth with built-in
digital delay effects). Anyway - if you want that distinctive DW8000
sound, it's a truly great synth. I didn't , and my wife didn't like
the space it took up, so it had to go. Korgs are notorious for battery
leakage, so you might want to replace the backup battery straight off.

Late last year, I found a bargain DSS1 and couldn't resist. It has the
same good instinctive interface design as the DW8000, but it's twice
the weight (this thing is a tank) and twice the complexity. And about
1/2 the price! This beast was quite difficult to get working. It does
not retain sounds, so you have to load them from disk each time you
switch it on. So the floppy is vital. You can get replacement disk
drives ($70?), and you'll need a good supply of DS/DD floppies. It
took me best part of 4 hours to create a suitable disk with some
sounds on. Fortunately, there are a lot of disk images available on
the net, from some very good sources. This thing is absolutely AWSOME.
It out-pads everything else I've ever laid my hands on with the
exception of a prophet VS, is hugly versatile and can be fatter than a
minimoog on steroids. Not bad for something that cost me as much as
(let's try to keep this on-topic) my CZ101.

IMHO, Try to get to know your DW8000 without a patch editor, and learn
to use the modulation on the delay to get a decent chorus or flange.
It's easy enough to program that you'll be able to fill half the
patches within a few days, and limited enough that you'll get the full
range of sounds out of it without needing to find 3rd party patches
for it.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:04:23 -0500, Scott Nordlund <gsn10@...> wrote:
> 
> >I'm getting a Korg DW 8000.  Anyone know of a good patch editor
> >for Windows for this?
> >
> >I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group.  Sorry if it bugs some of
> >you that I'm asking here.
> 
> Off-topic certainly, but it seems like we're all synth nerds here.
> 
> Anyway the DW-8000 is very nice sounding, though fairly limited.  Though you
> don't really need an editor, there's an old (windows 3.1) editor here:
> http://www.netaxs.com/~aruggeri/dw8000.htm or you could use a general
> purpose midi-editor program.  I have to ask, though, have you considered the
> DSS-1?  It's very cheap now, and essentially a DW-8000 (same basic voice
> structure, same lovely filters) with user-definable waveforms and some other
> added features (dual delays, oscillator sync, waveform creation via additive
> synthesis and drawing, it's a sampler too but I don't think it's
> particularly useful in that regard).  If you don't mind the size/weight
> (it's absolutely massive and there's no rack model) and you get one with a
> working disk drive, it would probably be a better alternative, for probably
> about the same price.
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

MidiQuest works well. I have an older version (a couple years old by now, 
either one or two previous to the latest) which you might be able to find 
2nd hand for cheap. The current version os a bit steep  (~$200?) but it is 
a good patch librarian with a real nice graphical patch editing capability 
and supports many many synths.

The DW8000 is fun, lots of patches on the web.

Andy


At 03:58 PM 2/10/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm getting a Korg DW 8000.  Anyone know of a good patch editor
>for Windows for this?
>
>I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group.  Sorry if it bugs some of
>you that I'm asking here.
>
>Back on topic...haven't gotten my CZ 101 fixed yet, but it's still
>usable, so I'm using it.  I will probably eventually buy another CZ
>101, but right now I've got other things to pay off and I just found out
>that I'm going to need a new radiator for my chevy blazer soon.
>Always having problems with that thing.
>
>Joey Cagle AKA Joseph Experimental
>501 Will Rd.
>Middlesex, NC 27557
>
>http://www.josephexperimental.com - The Other Electronic Music.
>(919) 269 7969
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

ok...wasn't sure how hard it'd be to program.  I got the thing for $60.00 pretty much 
because the previous owner wiped out the memory when installing a new internal 
battery and didn't want to put the patches back in.

How much does the DSS-1 tend to cost?

Joey

On 11 Feb 2005 at 0:04, Scott Nordlund wrote:

> >I'm getting a Korg DW 8000. Anyone know of a good patch editor
> >for Windows for this?
> >
> >I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group. Sorry if it bugs some of
> >you that I'm asking here.
> 
> Off-topic certainly, but it seems like we're all synth nerds here.
> 
> Anyway the DW-8000 is very nice sounding, though fairly limited. Though you 
> don't really need an editor, there's an old (windows 3.1) editor here: 
> http://www.netaxs.com/~aruggeri/dw8000.htm or you could use a general 
> purpose midi-editor program. I have to ask, though, have you considered the 
> DSS-1? It's very cheap now, and essentially a DW-8000 (same basic voice 
> structure, same lovely filters) with user-definable waveforms and some other 
> added features (dual delays, oscillator sync, waveform creation via additive 
> synthesis and drawing, it's a sampler too but I don't think it's 
> particularly useful in that regard). If you don't mind the size/weight 
> (it's absolutely massive and there's no rack model) and you get one with a 
> working disk drive, it would probably be a better alternative, for probably 
> about the same price.
> 
> 
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Middlesex, NC 27557

http://www.josephexperimental.com - The Other Electronic Music.
(919) 269 7969

I just took a look at the DSS-1 on vintagesynth.com.  The DSS-1 looks like a good 
alternative.  But considering that I found such a great deal on the DW-8000 ($60.00), 
and that I've already paid for it, I think I'll stick with this for now.

If I ever want a DSS-1, I can always sell the DW-8000.

Joey

On 11 Feb 2005 at 0:04, Scott Nordlund wrote:

> >I'm getting a Korg DW 8000. Anyone know of a good patch editor
> >for Windows for this?
> >
> >I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group. Sorry if it bugs some of
> >you that I'm asking here.
> 
> Off-topic certainly, but it seems like we're all synth nerds here.
> 
> Anyway the DW-8000 is very nice sounding, though fairly limited. Though you 
> don't really need an editor, there's an old (windows 3.1) editor here: 
> http://www.netaxs.com/~aruggeri/dw8000.htm or you could use a general 
> purpose midi-editor program. I have to ask, though, have you considered the 
> DSS-1? It's very cheap now, and essentially a DW-8000 (same basic voice 
> structure, same lovely filters) with user-definable waveforms and some other 
> added features (dual delays, oscillator sync, waveform creation via additive 
> synthesis and drawing, it's a sampler too but I don't think it's 
> particularly useful in that regard). If you don't mind the size/weight 
> (it's absolutely massive and there's no rack model) and you get one with a 
> working disk drive, it would probably be a better alternative, for probably 
> about the same price.
> 
> 
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501 Will Rd.
Middlesex, NC 27557

http://www.josephexperimental.com - The Other Electronic Music.
(919) 269 7969

Korg DSM-1 is actually the rack model of the DSS-1 actually.  This according to 
vintagesynth.com

Joey

On 11 Feb 2005 at 0:04, Scott Nordlund wrote:

> >I'm getting a Korg DW 8000. Anyone know of a good patch editor
> >for Windows for this?
> >
> >I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group. Sorry if it bugs some of
> >you that I'm asking here.
> 
> Off-topic certainly, but it seems like we're all synth nerds here.
> 
> Anyway the DW-8000 is very nice sounding, though fairly limited. Though you 
> don't really need an editor, there's an old (windows 3.1) editor here: 
> http://www.netaxs.com/~aruggeri/dw8000.htm or you could use a general 
> purpose midi-editor program. I have to ask, though, have you considered the 
> DSS-1? It's very cheap now, and essentially a DW-8000 (same basic voice 
> structure, same lovely filters) with user-definable waveforms and some other 
> added features (dual delays, oscillator sync, waveform creation via additive 
> synthesis and drawing, it's a sampler too but I don't think it's 
> particularly useful in that regard). If you don't mind the size/weight 
> (it's absolutely massive and there's no rack model) and you get one with a 
> working disk drive, it would probably be a better alternative, for probably 
> about the same price.
> 
> 
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501 Will Rd.
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http://www.josephexperimental.com - The Other Electronic Music.
(919) 269 7969

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:13:43 -0500, josephex@... wrote:
> ok...wasn't sure how hard it'd be to program.
It's not. If you know what DCO, VCF and VCA stand for, you've got the
skills to program it.

> I got the thing for $60.00
OK. For that price, it's sex-on-legs.

> the previous owner wiped out the memory
That could be a very good thing. I've always sort of hesitated in
deleting patches and putting my own in, just in case mine were "not as
good". I went though the exercise of completely reprogramming all the
patches on a Juno 60 recently after a similar battery change, and I
now have a full set of patches, organised logically (my logic at
least), and that I'm happy with.

> How much does the DSS-1 tend to cost?
I paid 100 Euros for mine (115-ish USD?)
I'd paid about 300 for my DW8000 and sold it for about the same.

From what people are telling me, I'll definitely try to learn it without a patch editor.

I've not programmed patches on an analog synth before, but I've programmed some 
on my Casio CZ 101.  I often times don't really know what I'm doing and I just play 
around with settings till I come up with a sound that I really like.  But I'm learning.

Joey

On 11 Feb 2005 at 12:41, Jez wrote:

> 
> What a surprise - more gearfreaks all looking for that special and
> unique feel and sound.
> 
> I used to have a DW8000. This synth has bucket loads of character. I
> tried that editor, but never got it to work, though I found the DW8000
> pretty easy to program - very well designed and almost as easy to
> program as a Juno 60. You won't need to look at the manual if you've
> programmed an analogue before. The DW8000 does not have bucket loads
> of modulation options, but the inbuilt delay is a great feature
> (especially for the time - it was the first ever synth with built-in
> digital delay effects). Anyway - if you want that distinctive DW8000
> sound, it's a truly great synth. I didn't , and my wife didn't like
> the space it took up, so it had to go. Korgs are notorious for battery
> leakage, so you might want to replace the backup battery straight off.
> 
> Late last year, I found a bargain DSS1 and couldn't resist. It has the
> same good instinctive interface design as the DW8000, but it's twice
> the weight (this thing is a tank) and twice the complexity. And about
> 1/2 the price! This beast was quite difficult to get working. It does
> not retain sounds, so you have to load them from disk each time you
> switch it on. So the floppy is vital. You can get replacement disk
> drives ($70?), and you'll need a good supply of DS/DD floppies. It
> took me best part of 4 hours to create a suitable disk with some
> sounds on. Fortunately, there are a lot of disk images available on
> the net, from some very good sources. This thing is absolutely AWSOME.
> It out-pads everything else I've ever laid my hands on with the
> exception of a prophet VS, is hugly versatile and can be fatter than a
> minimoog on steroids. Not bad for something that cost me as much as
> (let's try to keep this on-topic) my CZ101.
> 
> IMHO, Try to get to know your DW8000 without a patch editor, and learn
> to use the modulation on the delay to get a decent chorus or flange.
> It's easy enough to program that you'll be able to fill half the
> patches within a few days, and limited enough that you'll get the full
> range of sounds out of it without needing to find 3rd party patches
> for it.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:04:23 -0500, Scott Nordlund <gsn10@...> wrote:
> > 
> > >I'm getting a Korg DW 8000. Anyone know of a good patch editor
> > >for Windows for this?
> > >
> > >I realize this is unrelated to the CZ group. Sorry if it bugs some of
> > >you that I'm asking here.
> > 
> > Off-topic certainly, but it seems like we're all synth nerds here.
> > 
> > Anyway the DW-8000 is very nice sounding, though fairly limited. Though you
> > don't really need an editor, there's an old (windows 3.1) editor here:
> > http://www.netaxs.com/~aruggeri/dw8000.htm or you could use a general
> > purpose midi-editor program. I have to ask, though, have you considered the
> > DSS-1? It's very cheap now, and essentially a DW-8000 (same basic voice
> > structure, same lovely filters) with user-definable waveforms and some other
> > added features (dual delays, oscillator sync, waveform creation via additive
> > synthesis and drawing, it's a sampler too but I don't think it's
> > particularly useful in that regard). If you don't mind the size/weight
> > (it's absolutely massive and there's no rack model) and you get one with a
> > working disk drive, it would probably be a better alternative, for probably
> > about the same price.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> 
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http://www.josephexperimental.com - The Other Electronic Music.
(919) 269 7969

>Korg DSM-1 is actually the rack model of the DSS-1 actually.  This 
>according to
>vintagesynth.com

It's actually not (vintagesynth.com isn't really the best for accuracy 
sometimes).

The DSM-1 has 16 single-oscillator voices (vs. 8 dual-oscillator voices in 
the DSS-1), non-resonant digital filters, no delays, no oscillator sync.  
Apparently it has marginally  better waveform synthesis capabilities, and a 
bunch of independent outputs, a better disk drive, and more RAM, but apart 
from that it's missing everything that makes the DSS-1 interesting.  It's 
more like a proto-M1 with the ability to sample, or in other words, a 
totally uninteresting dinosaur sampler.  The Casio FZ-1, Ensoniq EPS, Emu 
Emax II, etc. (probably Yamaha TX16w as well) all eclipse it.