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2006-03-04 by gs3301r
hi everybody, I will get a CZ-101 at the beginning of next week: ) i think this synth sounds good with my other gear,most analogue ones. questions: >compared the pd synthesis with the fm one? >and,is here somebody from germany,eu too?i ask because i need a new >powersupply for the cute.a new one that fits. sorry for my bad english. cheers Thomas
2006-03-05 by asthete@aol.com
I think you'll like the CZ. It is not the same as FM-it is digital but with a lot more analog character and warmth, and also the programming is the same as analog. There are 8 stage envelopes, unlike analog which is 4, but you can always use only 4 stages on the CZ to make it exactly like having analog envelopes if you want. Nice for bass, good deep sounds and quite a bit more warmth than FM. Just be patient and take some time to learn how to use it and how to program it. Will/NYC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-03-05 by Summa
On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:34, asthete@... wrote: > I think you'll like the CZ. It is not the same as FM-it is digital but with > a lot more analog character and warmth, and also the programming is the same > as analog. Well, the Yamaha FM implementation isn't realy FM it's Phase Modulation and Phase Distortion is basicly Phase Modulation too. The best guess is that Casio uses a sine shaper as carrier since the function fits perfectly to the description Casio gives in the CZ-Series manuals. A sine shaper is basicly a special version of an FM Carrier tuned down to 0Hz (FS1R, TG77 and various FM softsynths can do that) but Casio probably haven't used a sine as modulator but something what is able to do some waveform symmetry stuff, maybe comparable to the G2 shape oscillator, it at least sound pretty similar when using it at a Phase Oscillator tuned down to 0Hz... > There are 8 stage envelopes, unlike analog which is 4, but you can > always use only 4 stages on the CZ to make it exactly like having analog > envelopes if you want. Not exactly, since simulating one log/exp stage of an analog envelope needs more than one linear CZ stage... ...Summa -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator Wellenform Chat So and Do 22.00 CET: http://chat.moogulator.com/
2006-03-05 by Th. Neumeier
Summa <flotorian@...> wrote: On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:34, asthete@... wrote:
> I think you'll like the CZ. It is not the same as FM-it is digital but with
> a lot more analog character and warmth, and also the programming is the same
> as analog.
Well, the Yamaha FM implementation isn't realy FM it's Phase Modulation and Phase
Distortion is basicly Phase Modulation too. The best guess is that Casio uses a
sine shaper as carrier since the function fits perfectly to the description Casio
gives in the CZ-Series manuals.
A sine shaper is basicly a special version of an FM Carrier tuned down to 0Hz
(FS1R, TG77 and various FM softsynths can do that) but Casio probably haven't
used a sine as modulator but something what is able to do some waveform symmetry
stuff, maybe comparable to the G2 shape oscillator, it at least sound pretty
similar when using it at a Phase Oscillator tuned down to 0Hz...
> There are 8 stage envelopes, unlike analog which is 4, but you can > always use only 4 stages on the CZ to make it exactly like having analog
> envelopes if you want.
Not exactly, since simulating one log/exp stage of an analog envelope needs more
than one linear CZ stage...
...Summa
>thanks!
>Th.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-03-05 by Summa
Hi Will, you sent me a very personal mail and it was impossible to reply, not directly nor within yahoogroups. I prefere to solve this issue off list, if possible... This might have been a missunderstanding, since I wasn't me who originaly sent the question... ...Summa (moderator) On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:34, asthete@... wrote: > I think you'll like the CZ. It is not the same as FM-it is digital but with > a lot more analog character and warmth, and also the programming is the same > as analog. There are 8 stage envelopes, unlike analog which is 4, but you can > always use only 4 stages on the CZ to make it exactly like having analog > envelopes if you want. > > Nice for bass, good deep sounds and quite a bit more warmth than FM. Just be > patient and take some time to learn how to use it and how to program it. > > Will/NYC > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator Wellenform Chat So and Do 22.00 CET: http://chat.moogulator.com/
2006-03-15 by gs3301r
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gs3301r" <gs3301r@...> wrote:
> > hi everybody, > > > I will get a CZ-101 at the beginning of next week: ) > > i think this synth sounds good with my other gear,most analogue ones. > > > questions: > > >compared the pd synthesis with the fm one? > > >and,is here somebody from germany,eu too?i ask because i need a new > > >powersupply for the cute.a new one that fits. > > > hello, > > still looking for one (whole machine 220V).got no luck with the > seller. > maybe you dont care : ) anyway. > cheers > Thomas