Yahoo Groups archive

Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:42 UTC

Thread

Re: overview question & answers

Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-05 by HC

Hello,

thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all - maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha KX88 - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at least accept that MIDI command?

thanks again for all the help!

HC


Get 250 color business cards for FREE!
http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/

Re: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-05 by Atom 'Smasher'

> thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all - maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha KX88 - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at least accept that MIDI command?
=======================================

only the CZ-1 responds to incoming velocity data. i think it's also the
only one that responds to after-touch.

	...atom

----------------Void-If-Detached----------------
http://smasher.suspicious.org/fs1r  Yamaha FS1R

	"[The] feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is
	 about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages
	 women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice
	 witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
               -- Rev. Pat Robertson, 1992

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-05 by Troy C

Only the CZ-1 responds to velocity.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HC [mailto:hcmetz@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:43 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all - 
> maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master 
> controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha KX88 
> - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other 
> Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios 
> except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at 
> least accept that MIDI command?
> 
> thanks again for all the help!
> 
> HC
> 
> 
> Get 250 color business cards for FREE! 
> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
> 
> 
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
> ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to 
> search 600,000 scholarships! 
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> /QnLolB/TM
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -------~->
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
> CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-05 by Furman, Jon W.

Yup the CZ-1 is the only one that has these features at all. Unfortunately
the CZ1 is also the most massive Casio ever. Speaking of phase distortion
with real time control (which the CZ1 almost touches on) does anyone here
have a Novation Supernova? I remember that when they came out they were
advertised is having a feature that sounded a lot like Casio CZ phase
distortion, I've always been curious about this. It might be that if you
really want good phase distortion with real time control the supernova is
the way to go. Anyone ever check one of these out?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Troy C [SMTP:troy1@...]
	Sent:	Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:16 PM
	To:	CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

	Only the CZ-1 responds to velocity.
	
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: HC [mailto:hcmetz@...] 
	> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:43 AM
	> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	> 
	> 
	> Hello,
	> 
	> thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all - 
	> maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master 
	> controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha KX88 
	> - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other 
	> Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios 
	> except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at 
	> least accept that MIDI command?
	> 
	> thanks again for all the help!
	> 
	> HC
	> 
	> 
	> Get 250 color business cards for FREE! 
	> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
<http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/> 
	> 
	> 
	> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
	> ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to 
	> search 600,000 scholarships! 
	> http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
<http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> > /QnLolB/TM
	> 
	> 
	> --------------------------------------------------------------
	> -------~->
	> 
	> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
	> CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	> 
	>  
	> 
	> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
	> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  
	> 
	> 
	
	
	
	Yahoo! Groups Sponsor	 
	
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif>
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg> 	
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> 	 Start
here...
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	Height:
	 3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	Weight:
	lbs. kg.
	
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif> 	
		
	
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194> 	

	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	
	
	
	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-06 by jim

i forwarded the nova/cz question to a mate, here is his knowledgeable and
interesting reply,

-------------
Okay you asked for it... Deep breath...and....

The SuperNova (and Nova for that matter) do not model
Casio's propietory Phase Distortion synthesis but the
same sorts of sounds can easily be achieved.
But let's not forget, it doesn't matter if one synth
does one type of synthesis and another does a different
type. It's the sound your after, right ? Harsh screaming
CZ lead sounds I presume (that's all I get out of my CZ
anyway !) Anyway, to get those pseudo FM sounds from your
SuperNova you need to use "Oscillator Sync".
This takes two oscillators and uses one (The Master) to reset
the other (The Slave) each time is starts a new cycle. This
creates piercing metallic sounds and is good for leads.
BTW. the SuperNova does not require 2 oscillators for this
effect, it is processed from one oscillator using virtual
modelling algorithms (handy !). Using "Oscillator Sync"
(now here comes the meat!) opens up a new set of realtime
control parameters "Key Sync", "Formant Width" and (most
importantly for this question) "Sync Skew". "Sync Skew"
manipulates the frequency of the "The Slave" oscillator
within one cycle of "The Master" oscillator. Modulation
over 100% can be achieved allowing cycles to be 'swashed'
over each other into one original one. This is yer Frequency
Modulation ! "Formant Width" controls the leves of the
"Slave" oscillator and allows you to simulate
resonance within the oscillator by using the "Soften"
parameter to smooth out the sharp edges of the waveform.

If you have a Nova or SuperNova, try playing around with
some of these oscillator parameters using a square or saw
waveform. You'll soon be making screaming CZ-type leads
but with the addition of 3 realtime control parameters !
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Furman, Jon W. [mailto:jfurman@...]
Sent: 05 September 2001 19:10
To: 'CZsynth@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers


Yup the CZ-1 is the only one that has these features at all. Unfortunately
the CZ1 is also the most massive Casio ever. Speaking of phase distortion
with real time control (which the CZ1 almost touches on) does anyone here
have a Novation Supernova? I remember that when they came out they were
advertised is having a feature that sounded a lot like Casio CZ phase
distortion, I've always been curious about this. It might be that if you
really want good phase distortion with real time control the supernova is
the way to go. Anyone ever check one of these out?

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Troy C [SMTP:troy1@...]
	Sent:	Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:16 PM
	To:	CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

	Only the CZ-1 responds to velocity.

	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: HC [mailto:hcmetz@...]
	> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:43 AM
	> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	>
	>
	> Hello,
	>
	> thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all -
	> maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master
	> controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha KX88
	> - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other
	> Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios
	> except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at
	> least accept that MIDI command?
	>
	> thanks again for all the help!
	>
	> HC
	>
	>
	> Get 250 color business cards for FREE!
	> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
<http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/>
	>
	>
	> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
	> ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to
	> search 600,000 scholarships!
	> http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
<http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> > /QnLolB/TM
	>
	>
	> --------------------------------------------------------------
	> -------~->
	>
	> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	> CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	>
	>
	>
	> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
	> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
	>
	>



	Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif>
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg>
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> 	 Start
here...
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif>
	Height:
	 3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif>
	Weight:
	lbs. kg.

	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif>
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif>


http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194>

	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-06 by Furman, Jon W.

Thanks for obtaining all that detailed information Jim, I can tell that your
friend really loves his synths. I always thought that the SuperNova looked
like a lot of fun. You guys should check out this pdf file
http://www.novationuk.com/downloads/pdfs/supernovafuture.pdf
<http://www.novationuk.com/downloads/pdfs/supernovafuture.pdf>  .Check out
the side note, Bend Me Shape Me, in particular describing the waveshaping
capabilities, especially the diagram outlining the soften feature. It looks
like the soften feature can continuously morph a square wave down to a sine
wave.  This diagram at least should look very familiar to any one whose read
the CZ manual, not sure if the soften feature really is or sounds the same
as the CZ's PD but it sure as heck looks just like it in that picture. 


Jon
Show quoted textHide quoted text
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	jim [SMTP:shockwavejim@...]
	Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:44 AM
	To:	CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

	i forwarded the nova/cz question to a mate, here is his
knowledgeable and
	interesting reply,
	
	-------------
	Okay you asked for it... Deep breath...and....
	
	The SuperNova (and Nova for that matter) do not model
	Casio's propietory Phase Distortion synthesis but the
	same sorts of sounds can easily be achieved.
	But let's not forget, it doesn't matter if one synth
	does one type of synthesis and another does a different
	type. It's the sound your after, right ? Harsh screaming
	CZ lead sounds I presume (that's all I get out of my CZ
	anyway !) Anyway, to get those pseudo FM sounds from your
	SuperNova you need to use "Oscillator Sync".
	This takes two oscillators and uses one (The Master) to reset
	the other (The Slave) each time is starts a new cycle. This
	creates piercing metallic sounds and is good for leads.
	BTW. the SuperNova does not require 2 oscillators for this
	effect, it is processed from one oscillator using virtual
	modelling algorithms (handy !). Using "Oscillator Sync"
	(now here comes the meat!) opens up a new set of realtime
	control parameters "Key Sync", "Formant Width" and (most
	importantly for this question) "Sync Skew". "Sync Skew"
	manipulates the frequency of the "The Slave" oscillator
	within one cycle of "The Master" oscillator. Modulation
	over 100% can be achieved allowing cycles to be 'swashed'
	over each other into one original one. This is yer Frequency
	Modulation ! "Formant Width" controls the leves of the
	"Slave" oscillator and allows you to simulate
	resonance within the oscillator by using the "Soften"
	parameter to smooth out the sharp edges of the waveform.
	
	If you have a Nova or SuperNova, try playing around with
	some of these oscillator parameters using a square or saw
	waveform. You'll soon be making screaming CZ-type leads
	but with the addition of 3 realtime control parameters !
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Furman, Jon W. [mailto:jfurman@...]
	Sent: 05 September 2001 19:10
	To: 'CZsynth@yahoogroups.com'
	Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	
	
	Yup the CZ-1 is the only one that has these features at all.
Unfortunately
	the CZ1 is also the most massive Casio ever. Speaking of phase
distortion
	with real time control (which the CZ1 almost touches on) does anyone
here
	have a Novation Supernova? I remember that when they came out they
were
	advertised is having a feature that sounded a lot like Casio CZ
phase
	distortion, I've always been curious about this. It might be that if
you
	really want good phase distortion with real time control the
supernova is
	the way to go. Anyone ever check one of these out?
	
	      -----Original Message-----
	      From:      Troy C [SMTP:troy1@...]
	      Sent:      Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:16 PM
	      To:      CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	      Subject:      RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	
	      Only the CZ-1 responds to velocity.
	
	      > -----Original Message-----
	      > From: HC [mailto:hcmetz@...]
	      > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:43 AM
	      > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	      > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	      >
	      >
	      > Hello,
	      >
	      > thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all -
	      > maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master
	      > controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha
KX88
	      > - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other
	      > Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios
	      > except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at
	      > least accept that MIDI command?
	      >
	      > thanks again for all the help!
	      >
	      > HC
	      >
	      >
	      > Get 250 color business cards for FREE!
	      > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
<http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/> 
	< http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
<http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/> >
	      >
	      >
	      > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
	      > ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to
	      > search 600,000 scholarships!
	      > http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
<http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> 
	< http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
<http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> > > /QnLolB/TM
	      >
	      >
	      >
--------------------------------------------------------------
	      > -------~->
	      >
	      > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	      > CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	      >
	      >
	      >
	      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
	      > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> 
	< http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >
	      >
	      >
	
	
	
	      Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
	
	
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif> 
	<
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif> >
	http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg> 
	< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg> >
	      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> 
	< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> >       Start
	here...
	      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> >
	      Height:
	      3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
	      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> >
	      Weight:
	      lbs. kg.
	
	      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> >
	      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif> 
	< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif> >
	
	
	
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
l> 
	/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194
	<
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
> 
	l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194>
	
	      To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	      CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	
	
	
	      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service
	< http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > .
	
	
	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	
	
	
	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> 
	
	
	
	
	Yahoo! Groups Sponsor	 
	ADVERTISEMENT
	
	
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeblu4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeblu4_11_12.gif>
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/111.jpg> 	
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/darkblue.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/darkblue.gif>
Start here...
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	Height:
	 3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	Weight:
	lbs. kg.
	
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/333.gif> 	
		
	
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
/S=1705032144:HM/A=776686/rand=170792874
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776686/rand=170792874> 	

	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	
	
	
	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .

Re: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-06 by Maxim Potekhin

Just my 2 cents:

jim wrote:
>
>  Anyway, to get those pseudo FM sounds from your
> SuperNova you need to use "Oscillator Sync".

Well it really isn't an exclusive Supernova feature,
most analogs have it.

> BTW. the SuperNova does not require 2 oscillators for this
> effect, it is processed from one oscillator using virtual
> modelling algorithms (handy !).

Quasimidi's Polymorph and Sirius also have the sync'd
waveforms available in a single OSC.

cheers

Max

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-06 by Summa

Hi

think it's the so called "hardness" parameter of the Nova synths familiy
that enables the soundprogrammer to make CZ like sounds. That modulateable
paramter allows to reduce the waveforms of an oszillator to a sinus and thus
working like the DCW parameter of the CZ. You find the same parameter on the
AN1x, but I don't know if it's possible modulate it by envelope or LFO. That
way it's probably possible to create some CZ like sounds. But missing the
complex envelopes and the resonant waveforms, that would be at least needed
in front and not behind of the ring modulator to create some of the realy
interesting CZ sounds, it's probably a bit limited. 

Other then that you can do a lot of CZ like sounds with the FS1R. If you
look at the Yamaha patents you'll recognise that Phase Distortion or Phase
Modulation is the same technique Yamaha is using in their "FM" synths.
Unfortunately it's not possible to take a look at the programming of the CZ
to see how they implemented that algortithm...    

Summa

At 11:43 06.09.01 +0100, you wrote:
>i forwarded the nova/cz question to a mate, here is his knowledgeable and
>interesting reply,
>
>-------------
>Okay you asked for it... Deep breath...and....
>
>The SuperNova (and Nova for that matter) do not model
>Casio's propietory Phase Distortion synthesis but the
>same sorts of sounds can easily be achieved.
>But let's not forget, it doesn't matter if one synth
>does one type of synthesis and another does a different
>type. It's the sound your after, right ? Harsh screaming
>CZ lead sounds I presume (that's all I get out of my CZ
>anyway !) Anyway, to get those pseudo FM sounds from your
>SuperNova you need to use "Oscillator Sync".
>This takes two oscillators and uses one (The Master) to reset
>the other (The Slave) each time is starts a new cycle. This
>creates piercing metallic sounds and is good for leads.
>BTW. the SuperNova does not require 2 oscillators for this
>effect, it is processed from one oscillator using virtual
>modelling algorithms (handy !). Using "Oscillator Sync"
>(now here comes the meat!) opens up a new set of realtime
>control parameters "Key Sync", "Formant Width" and (most
>importantly for this question) "Sync Skew". "Sync Skew"
>manipulates the frequency of the "The Slave" oscillator
>within one cycle of "The Master" oscillator. Modulation
>over 100% can be achieved allowing cycles to be 'swashed'
>over each other into one original one. This is yer Frequency
>Modulation ! "Formant Width" controls the leves of the
>"Slave" oscillator and allows you to simulate
>resonance within the oscillator by using the "Soften"
>parameter to smooth out the sharp edges of the waveform.
>
>If you have a Nova or SuperNova, try playing around with
>some of these oscillator parameters using a square or saw
>waveform. You'll soon be making screaming CZ-type leads
>but with the addition of 3 realtime control parameters !
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Furman, Jon W. [mailto:jfurman@...]
>Sent: 05 September 2001 19:10
>To: 'CZsynth@yahoogroups.com'
>Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
>
>
>Yup the CZ-1 is the only one that has these features at all. Unfortunately
>the CZ1 is also the most massive Casio ever. Speaking of phase distortion
>with real time control (which the CZ1 almost touches on) does anyone here
>have a Novation Supernova? I remember that when they came out they were
>advertised is having a feature that sounded a lot like Casio CZ phase
>distortion, I've always been curious about this. It might be that if you
>really want good phase distortion with real time control the supernova is
>the way to go. Anyone ever check one of these out?
>
>	-----Original Message-----
>	From:	Troy C [SMTP:troy1@...]
>	Sent:	Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:16 PM
>	To:	CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>	Subject:	RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
>
>	Only the CZ-1 responds to velocity.
>
>	> -----Original Message-----
>	> From: HC [mailto:hcmetz@...]
>	> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:43 AM
>	> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>	> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
>	>
>	>
>	> Hello,
>	>
>	> thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all -
>	> maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master
>	> controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha KX88
>	> - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other
>	> Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios
>	> except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at
>	> least accept that MIDI command?
>	>
>	> thanks again for all the help!
>	>
>	> HC
>	>
>	>
>	> Get 250 color business cards for FREE!
>	> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
><http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/>
>	>
>	>
>	> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>	> ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to
>	> search 600,000 scholarships!
>	> http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
><http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> > /QnLolB/TM
>	>
>	>
>	> --------------------------------------------------------------
>	> -------~->
>	>
>	> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>	> CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>	>
>	>
>	>
>	> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>	> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
>	>
>	>
>
>
>
>	Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
>http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif>
>http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg>
>	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> 	 Start
>here...
>	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif>
>	Height:
>	 3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
>	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif>
>	Weight:
>	lbs. kg.
>
>	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif>
>	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
><http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif>
>
>
>http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
>/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194
><http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
>l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194>
>
>	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>	CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>

			     
           +                        
           +                       
           +     /\      /\         
        /\ +  /\/  \    /  \        
+++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \    /\  /\         /    O   
      /    \/        \/      \  /  \/  \ |   | /     |  /----
 /\  /     +                  \/        \\---/ ----  |  |
/  \/      +                  /\                  /     \----
           +                 /  \                / 
           +                 Nicknames  : Summa or SumGhost
           +                 AIM        : Flotorian
           +                 Born       : 1967
           +                 Profession : Student of Computer Science
           +	                     

A Touch of Future - Project : http://www.mp3.com/AToF/
Casio CZ Synth Station      : http://www.mp3.com/stations/CZ/ 
CZ/VZ Mailinglist           : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth

Boycott the Premium Artist Service!!!


_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-06 by Furman, Jon W.

I always thought that the way that PD is implemented on the CZ is not that
similar to what's on the DX's practically speaking. That's why the two don't
sound anything like each other and the CZ is so easy to program. The
algorithm that Casio uses is not that complicated, it's very clever actually
although it is a bit different for each of the waveforms that the CZ can
distort a sine wave too.  Now PD as you see on the VZ is much more similar
to what you see on a DX, those too really do share a lot of common ground.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Summa [SMTP:flotorian@...]
	Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:42 AM
	To:	CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

	Hi
	
	think it's the so called "hardness" parameter of the Nova synths
familiy
	that enables the soundprogrammer to make CZ like sounds. That
modulateable
	paramter allows to reduce the waveforms of an oszillator to a sinus
and thus
	working like the DCW parameter of the CZ. You find the same
parameter on the
	AN1x, but I don't know if it's possible modulate it by envelope or
LFO. That
	way it's probably possible to create some CZ like sounds. But
missing the
	complex envelopes and the resonant waveforms, that would be at least
needed
	in front and not behind of the ring modulator to create some of the
realy
	interesting CZ sounds, it's probably a bit limited. 
	
	Other then that you can do a lot of CZ like sounds with the FS1R. If
you
	look at the Yamaha patents you'll recognise that Phase Distortion or
Phase
	Modulation is the same technique Yamaha is using in their "FM"
synths.
	Unfortunately it's not possible to take a look at the programming of
the CZ
	to see how they implemented that algortithm...    
	
	Summa
	
	At 11:43 06.09.01 +0100, you wrote:
	>i forwarded the nova/cz question to a mate, here is his
knowledgeable and
	>interesting reply,
	>
	>-------------
	>Okay you asked for it... Deep breath...and....
	>
	>The SuperNova (and Nova for that matter) do not model
	>Casio's propietory Phase Distortion synthesis but the
	>same sorts of sounds can easily be achieved.
	>But let's not forget, it doesn't matter if one synth
	>does one type of synthesis and another does a different
	>type. It's the sound your after, right ? Harsh screaming
	>CZ lead sounds I presume (that's all I get out of my CZ
	>anyway !) Anyway, to get those pseudo FM sounds from your
	>SuperNova you need to use "Oscillator Sync".
	>This takes two oscillators and uses one (The Master) to reset
	>the other (The Slave) each time is starts a new cycle. This
	>creates piercing metallic sounds and is good for leads.
	>BTW. the SuperNova does not require 2 oscillators for this
	>effect, it is processed from one oscillator using virtual
	>modelling algorithms (handy !). Using "Oscillator Sync"
	>(now here comes the meat!) opens up a new set of realtime
	>control parameters "Key Sync", "Formant Width" and (most
	>importantly for this question) "Sync Skew". "Sync Skew"
	>manipulates the frequency of the "The Slave" oscillator
	>within one cycle of "The Master" oscillator. Modulation
	>over 100% can be achieved allowing cycles to be 'swashed'
	>over each other into one original one. This is yer Frequency
	>Modulation ! "Formant Width" controls the leves of the
	>"Slave" oscillator and allows you to simulate
	>resonance within the oscillator by using the "Soften"
	>parameter to smooth out the sharp edges of the waveform.
	>
	>If you have a Nova or SuperNova, try playing around with
	>some of these oscillator parameters using a square or saw
	>waveform. You'll soon be making screaming CZ-type leads
	>but with the addition of 3 realtime control parameters !
	>
	>-----Original Message-----
	>From: Furman, Jon W. [mailto:jfurman@...]
	>Sent: 05 September 2001 19:10
	>To: 'CZsynth@yahoogroups.com'
	>Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	>
	>
	>Yup the CZ-1 is the only one that has these features at all.
Unfortunately
	>the CZ1 is also the most massive Casio ever. Speaking of phase
distortion
	>with real time control (which the CZ1 almost touches on) does
anyone here
	>have a Novation Supernova? I remember that when they came out they
were
	>advertised is having a feature that sounded a lot like Casio CZ
phase
	>distortion, I've always been curious about this. It might be that
if you
	>really want good phase distortion with real time control the
supernova is
	>the way to go. Anyone ever check one of these out?
	>
	>      -----Original Message-----
	>      From:      Troy C [SMTP:troy1@...]
	>      Sent:      Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:16 PM
	>      To:      CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	>      Subject:      RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	>
	>      Only the CZ-1 responds to velocity.
	>
	>      > -----Original Message-----
	>      > From: HC [mailto:hcmetz@...]
	>      > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:43 AM
	>      > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	>      > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers
	>      >
	>      >
	>      > Hello,
	>      >
	>      > thanks - that's very good information, thanks to y'all -
	>      > maybe one detail: As I already have two very good master
	>      > controllers - a Yamaha CP70D with MIDI out, and a Yamaha
KX88
	>      > - I will probably not really use the keyboard of any other
	>      > Casio I buy. Is the "velocity-insensitivity" of all Casios
	>      > except the CZ-1 caused by the keyboard only, or do they at
	>      > least accept that MIDI command?
	>      >
	>      > thanks again for all the help!
	>      >
	>      > HC
	>      >
	>      >
	>      > Get 250 color business cards for FREE!
	>      > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
<http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/> 
	>< http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/
<http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/> >
	>      >
	>      >
	>      > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
	>      > ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to
	>      > search 600,000 scholarships!
	>      > http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
<http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> 
	>< http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA
<http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA> > > /QnLolB/TM
	>      >
	>      >
	>      >
--------------------------------------------------------------
	>      > -------~->
	>      >
	>      > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	>      > CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	>      >
	>      >
	>      >
	>      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
	>      > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> 
	>< http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >
	>      >
	>      >
	>
	>
	>
	>      Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
	>
	>
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif> 
	><
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeorng4_11_12.gif> >
	> http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg> 
	>< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1111.jpg> >
	>      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> 
	>< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif> >       Start
	>here...
	>      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	>< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> >
	>      Height:
	>      3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
	>      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	>< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> >
	>      Weight:
	>      lbs. kg.
	>
	>      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	>< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> >
	>      http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif> 
	>< http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3333.gif> >
	>
	>
	>
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
l> 
	>/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194
	><
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
> 
	>l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776687/rand=745662194>
	>
	>      To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	>      CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	>
	>
	>
	>      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service
	>< http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > .
	>
	>
	>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	>CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	>
	>
	>
	>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> 
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	>CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	>
	> 
	>
	>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  
	>
	>
	
	                       
	           +                        
	           +                       
	           +     /\      /\         
	        /\ +  /\/  \    /  \        
	+++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \    /\  /\         /    O   
	      /    \/        \/      \  /  \/  \ |   | /     |  /----
	/\  /     +                  \/        \\---/ ----  |  |
	/  \/      +                  /\                  /     \----
	           +                 /  \                / 
	           +                 Nicknames  : Summa or SumGhost
	           +                 AIM        : Flotorian
	           +                 Born       : 1967
	           +                 Profession : Student of Computer
Science
	           +                           
	
	A Touch of Future - Project : http://www.mp3.com/AToF/
<http://www.mp3.com/AToF/> 
	Casio CZ Synth Station      : http://www.mp3.com/stations/CZ/
<http://www.mp3.com/stations/CZ/>  
	CZ/VZ Mailinglist           : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth> 
	
	Boycott the Premium Artist Service!!!
	
	
	_________________________________________________________ 
	Do You Yahoo!? 
	Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com
<http://mail.yahoo.com>  
	
	
	
	Yahoo! Groups Sponsor	 
	ADVERTISEMENT
	
	
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeblu4_11_12.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/itapeblu4_11_12.gif>
http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/111.jpg
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/111.jpg> 	
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/darkblue.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/darkblue.gif>
Start here...
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	Height:
	 3 4 5 6 7 8  ft      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	Weight:
	lbs. kg.
	
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif> 
	 http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/333.gif
<http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/333.gif> 	
		
	
http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmail
/S=1705032144:HM/A=776686/rand=495409489
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupmai
l/S=1705032144:HM/A=776686/rand=495409489> 	

	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
	CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
	
	
	
	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .

RE: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-06 by john w.

hey everybody,

I keep hearing all of this talk about "distinctive
screaming CZ leads"....  but I have never heard that
kind of sound come from my cz!  Does anybody have one
of these types of patches written out?  Not like a
file, but something that is typed out, and i would
have to manually enter into the synth.  

Thanks,

Nate

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger
http://im.yahoo.com

Re: [CZsynth] Re: overview question & answers

2001-09-07 by Maxim Potekhin

Get in touch with people from "Orbital Decay".

They have fantastic demos of CZ sounds on their site.

Maybe then can share their patches -- if they
do, let me know  :)

Theirs is the only CD I ever bought on mp3.com.
Brilliant musicians and CZ-experts, too!


Maxim



"john w." wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> hey everybody,
> 
> I keep hearing all of this talk about "distinctive
> screaming CZ leads"....  but I have never heard that
> kind of sound come from my cz!  Does anybody have one
> of these types of patches written out?  Not like a
> file, but something that is typed out, and i would
> have to manually enter into the synth.
>

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.