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2012-03-30 by Graham
Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? Cheers, Graham
2012-04-01 by k9k9dog
the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these cards(ra100+ra500)? --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > Cheers, Graham >
2012-04-02 by k9k9dog
ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips or infos... hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > Cheers, Graham > > >
2012-04-04 by Graham
Well, when I use the card in my PG380 synth guitar, there are 3 banks available - the guitar's internal bank (64 sounds), then 2 more, each with 64 sounds (total 128 sounds, or 192 sounds including the guitar's bank), added by insertion of the card. You select the different banks with a bank button on the guitar, which toggles through the 3 banks. I also have 2 ROM cards as well and they both add 2 banks to the in-built bank, like the RAM card, so it's the same as them. Capacity - according to the chips datasheet its a 256k memory chip (32k x 8 bit). I think the RA100 is a 128k. RAM card from Germany?? Missed that one, damn! I did however just get one from the UK - it's on its way now - but if any others apppear I'm going to get them also, in case this card ever dies. These cards are not so important for the VZ (has its own user memories) but are essential for the PG guitars (no user memories, playback module only). Modifying other cards - I have looked into this - it is technically feasable, but physically difficult to do - you have to have the card small enough/thin enough to fit into the VZ slot. No other brand card fits the connector (single row of connectors, 40 pins), so your only hope is to get a Casio ROM card and rip it apart for the sake of the connector. And for me, then also get it to fit into the PG380 card bay. Possible, but a real pain in the neck to do - quicker to wait for one to appear on ebay. I have my old dead RA500 card sitting here (the reason I need a new one) and I cut it open to see - simple enough inside. All surface mount chips though (2 of them). If I get absolutely desperate/excess of boredom I'll try replacing the chips sometime. Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > or infos... > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > >
2012-04-04 by Graham
Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > or infos... > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > >
2012-04-04 by k9k9dog
wow, i'm confused now. :( :) gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? never seen one. are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available on a VZ page anyway. i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > Cheers, Graham > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > or infos... > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-06 by k9k9dog
no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of card1/2... ?? i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see if it brought up card2...didn't happen. rtfm. search continues. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > wow, i'm confused now. :( > :) > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > never seen one. > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > on a VZ page anyway. > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > or infos... > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-06 by james meagher
I'd just like to say that if anyone is dissatisfied with their RA100 after finding an RA500, I'd be happy to buy the RA100 for use with my HT6000. :D James On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, k9k9dog <domgoold@...> wrote: > ** > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > card1/2... > ?? > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > rtfm. search continues. > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote: > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > :) > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > never seen one. > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > on a VZ page anyway. > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 > patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage > allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL > mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > or infos... > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series > keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to > the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an > alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as > opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. 364 Home Street Winnipeg, Manitoba R3G 1X4 (204) 918 9317 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-06 by analogfreak2005
Hi! I am dissatisfied with my Hohner RC-1 ram card, witch I bought assuming it will work with my VZ-1, but I was wrong. (Hohner took over some Casio tech on the late 80's, and it have same format as RA-500... ) I tried to find some info on internet but there is none. So, it must be an alternative to RA-100!?? Well James, if you know something about it, or if you will take a chance on RC-1, I will be happy to sell it to someone who can use it!! Regards!! Alen ________________________________
From: james meagher <w.james.meagher@...> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? I'd just like to say that if anyone is with their RA100 after finding an RA500, I'd be happy to buy the RA100 for use with my HT6000. :D James On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, k9k9dog <domgoold@...> wrote: > ** > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > card1/2... > ?? > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > rtfm. search continues. > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote: > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > :) > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > never seen one. > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > on a VZ page anyway. > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 > patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage > allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL > mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > or infos... > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series > keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to > the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an > alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as > opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. 364 Home Street Winnipeg, Manitoba R3G 1X4 (204) 918 9317 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-06 by analogfreak2005
Just find out it will work on; CASIO HT-700, HT-3000, HT-6000 and HZ-600!! Alen ________________________________
From: james meagher <w.james.meagher@...> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? I'd just like to say that if anyone is dissatisfied with their RA100 after finding an RA500, I'd be happy to buy the RA100 for use with my HT6000. :D James On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, k9k9dog <domgoold@...> wrote: > ** > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > card1/2... > ?? > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > rtfm. search continues. > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote: > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > :) > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > never seen one. > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > on a VZ page anyway. > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 > patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage > allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL > mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > or infos... > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series > keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to > the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an > alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as > opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. 364 Home Street Winnipeg, Manitoba R3G 1X4 (204) 918 9317 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-06 by Graham
No, it's not the battery - I changed it and it's still not working. It actually won't register as present in either the VZ10M or my PG guitar - it says it doesn't exist, basically. Tried formatting it but it wouldn't format. So I guess, from that, it has died. I have those schematics - one day I will try replacing the chips to see what happens. They're just normal SRAM chips, cheap and common, and a latching chip also, which I looked up and it's common and available and cheap. It would definitely be worth my while fixing it but I just don't have the time sapre at the moment. RA100 - I was asking if anyone has tried this, I haven't as yet. They look like they might have the same connector, and I vaguely remember reading a post on some other forum about someone using one in their VZ but it only gave one bank. I could be completely imagining this, though :D Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > wow, i'm confused now. :( > :) > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > never seen one. > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > on a VZ page anyway. > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > or infos... > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-06 by Graham
Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) Cheers, Graham
> > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > card1/2... > ?? > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > rtfm. search continues. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > :) > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > never seen one. > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > on a VZ page anyway. > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > --- In CZsynth@...m, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > or infos... > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-06 by Graham
When you say it didn't work, do you mean that it just doesn't fit in the slot or won't plug in to the slot, or do you mean that it actually fitted but wouldn't format or be recognised?? Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, analogfreak2005 <analogfreak2005@...> wrote:
> > Hi! > > I am dissatisfied with my Hohner RC-1 ram card, witch I bought assuming it will work > > with my VZ-1, but I was wrong. (Hohner took over some Casio tech on the late 80's, > and it have same format as RA-500... ) > > I tried to find some info on internet but there is none. So, it must be an alternative to RA-100!?? > Well James, if you know something about it, or if you will take a chance on RC-1, I will be happy to sell it to someone > > who can use it!! > Regards!! > Alen > > > > ________________________________ > From: james meagher <w.james.meagher@...> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? > > I'd just like to say that if anyone is with their RA100 after > finding an RA500, I'd be happy to buy the RA100 for use with my HT6000. :D > > James > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, k9k9dog <domgoold@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > card1/2... > > ?? > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > :) > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > never seen one. > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 > > patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage > > allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL > > mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > or infos... > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series > > keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to > > the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an > > alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as > > opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. > 364 Home Street > Winnipeg, Manitoba > R3G 1X4 > (204) 918 9317 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-04-07 by k9k9dog
extra bank saga: lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your card. (the ROM card has 2 banks...) --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > card1/2... > > ?? > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > :) > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > never seen one. > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > or infos... > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-07 by analogfreak2005
Hi, Graham!! No, the card fits and all, but system doesn't recognized it as memory... Best regards!! Alen ________________________________
From: Graham <gmeredith1@...> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? When you say it didn't work, do you mean that it just doesn't fit in the slot or won't plug in to the slot, or do you mean that it actually fitted but wouldn't format or be recognised?? Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, analogfreak2005 <analogfreak2005@...> wrote: > > Hi! > > I am dissatisfied with my Hohner RC-1 ram card, witch I bought assuming it will work > > with my VZ-1, but I was wrong. (Hohner took over some Casio tech on the late 80's, > and it have same format as RA-500... ) > > I tried to find some info on internet but there is none. So, it must be an alternative to RA-100!?? > Well James, if you know something about it, or if you will take a chance on RC-1, I will be happy to sell it to someone > > who can use it!! > Regards!! > Alen > > > > ________________________________ > From: james meagher <w.james.meagher@...> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? > > I'd just like to say that if anyone is with their RA100 after > finding an RA500, I'd be happy to buy the RA100 for use with my HT6000. :D > > James > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, k9k9dog <domgoold@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > card1/2... > > ?? > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > :) > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > never seen one. > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 > > patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage > > allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL > > mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > or infos... > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series > > keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to > > the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an > > alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as > > opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. > 364 Home Street > Winnipeg, Manitoba > R3G 1X4 > (204) 918 9317 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-08 by Graham
Hi Alen, Thanks for that, that answers my original question about substitite use for the RA500. Bummer! Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, analogfreak2005 <analogfreak2005@...> wrote:
> > Hi, Graham!! > No, the card fits and all, but system doesn't recognized it as memory... > Best regards!! > > Alen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Graham <gmeredith1@...> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:38 AM > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? > > > Â > When you say it didn't work, do you mean that it just doesn't fit in the slot or won't plug in to the slot, or do you mean that it actually fitted but wouldn't format or be recognised?? > > Cheers, Graham > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, analogfreak2005 <analogfreak2005@> wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > I am dissatisfied with my Hohner RC-1 ram card, witch I bought assuming it will work > > > > with my VZ-1, but I was wrong. (Hohner took over some Casio tech on the late 80's, > > and it have same format as RA-500... ) > > > > I tried to find some info on internet but there is none. So, it must be an alternative to RA-100!?? > > Well James, if you know something about it, or if you will take a chance on RC-1, I will be happy to sell it to someone > > > > who can use it!! > > Regards!! > > Alen > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: james meagher <w.james.meagher@> > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: RA-100 RAM card - will it work in VZ? > > > > I'd just like to say that if anyone is with their RA100 after > > finding an RA500, I'd be happy to buy the RA100 for use with my HT6000. :D > > > > James > > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, k9k9dog <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > card1/2... > > > ?? > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > :) > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 > > > patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage > > > allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL > > > mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series > > > keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to > > > the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an > > > alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as > > > opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. > > 364 Home Street > > Winnipeg, Manitoba > > R3G 1X4 > > (204) 918 9317 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-04-08 by Graham
Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > extra bank saga: > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > card. > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > card1/2... > > > ?? > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > :) > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@...m, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-09 by k9k9dog
'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 128 SOUNDS' (...!) m#####f#####... well, i have a vz8 anyway...let's check page 9 on that...(this is getting boring for some people) 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 64 SOUNDS' so there you have it. prime difference between vz8 and vz10. my card must have been used previously in a vz10, and i never formatted it. still, it is strange that the OS offers to save out the second bank. i guess it is there, but the vz8 can't read it. maybe there's a little mod that can give the vz8 more patches. i'll persevere a bit more, but i'm not unhappy with what i have. sysex dumps, and the poss of finding another card-or two...- will do. i also still have my atari and a very good editor librarian and randomizer(that took me all the way round this machine quite quickly). any info on this is welcome, though, of course. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. > > Cheers, Graham > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > extra bank saga: > > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > > card. > > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > > card1/2... > > > > ?? > > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@...m, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > > :) > > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-11 by Graham
I don't think either manuals do a very good job at describing what actually really happens, but I think that the idea is that the RAM card in the VZ10M can either store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories -- OR -- 128 sounds and no operation memories, and in the VZ8M can store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories, BUT NOT 128 sounds and zero op memories. Either way, the RA500 can store 128 pieces of individual data, and on the VZ10M you have a choice of the mix of these 2 whereas the VZ8M doesn't allow such mix. I would presume that if your card was formatted in the VZ8M, only 64 patch memories would show up, but you WOULD see another 64 memory spaces in "operation" mode. That's just a guess, though. Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 128 SOUNDS' > (...!) m#####f#####... well, i have a vz8 anyway...let's check > page 9 on that...(this is getting boring for some people) > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 64 SOUNDS' > so there you have it. prime difference between vz8 and vz10. > my card must have been used previously in a vz10, and i never > formatted it. still, it is strange that the OS offers to save > out the second bank. i guess it is there, but the vz8 can't read > it. maybe there's a little mod that can give the vz8 more patches. > i'll persevere a bit more, but i'm not unhappy with what i have. > sysex dumps, and the poss of finding another card-or two...- will > do. i also still have my atari and a very good editor librarian > and randomizer(that took me all the way round this machine quite > quickly). any info on this is welcome, though, of course. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > extra bank saga: > > > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > > > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > > > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > > > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > > > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > > > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > > > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > > > card. > > > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > > > card1/2... > > > > > ?? > > > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > > > :) > > > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-17 by Graham
OK I just got my RA500 RAM card in the mail. It appears my memory has served me wrong, after not having a working card for nearly a year to use and remember. It only holds one bank of "Normal" mode patches - not 2 as I've thought and mentioned. Please forgive my mistake. I was so sure that I had been using 2 banks on my PG guitar all this time back then. When I put the card in the VZ10M and checked the banks there wa only one bank - "Card 1" available. And when in Operation mode there was only one bank. Reading up on formatting the card in the VZ10M manual, it states in p77 "When a RAM card is formatted, it is automatically programmmed with the VZ's 64 preset patches and 64 preset operation memories". Also, reading the PG380 guitar manual on p12 it states that "by slipping a RAM card into the back of the guitar you'll have an additional 64 sounds.....or with a ROM card for 128 new sounds" So there you go. But burnt into my mind there is this nagging memory of being able to have an extra bank on the RAM card. I must have been mistaken though, because looking at the schematics for both cards, the RAM chip is a 256K SRAM chip while the ROM card has a 512k PROM chip - offering twice the capacity of the RAM card. Perhaps i was confused with the times I used a ROM card in it and could access 2 extra banks. My mistake everyone (diappearing back into my swamp now.....) Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > I don't think either manuals do a very good job at describing what actually really happens, but I think that the idea is that the RAM card in the VZ10M can either store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories -- OR -- 128 sounds and no operation memories, and in the VZ8M can store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories, BUT NOT 128 sounds and zero op memories. Either way, the RA500 can store 128 pieces of individual data, and on the VZ10M you have a choice of the mix of these 2 whereas the VZ8M doesn't allow such mix. I would presume that if your card was formatted in the VZ8M, only 64 patch memories would show up, but you WOULD see another 64 memory spaces in "operation" mode. That's just a guess, though. > > Cheers, Graham > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 128 SOUNDS' > > (...!) m#####f#####... well, i have a vz8 anyway...let's check > > page 9 on that...(this is getting boring for some people) > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 64 SOUNDS' > > so there you have it. prime difference between vz8 and vz10. > > my card must have been used previously in a vz10, and i never > > formatted it. still, it is strange that the OS offers to save > > out the second bank. i guess it is there, but the vz8 can't read > > it. maybe there's a little mod that can give the vz8 more patches. > > i'll persevere a bit more, but i'm not unhappy with what i have. > > sysex dumps, and the poss of finding another card-or two...- will > > do. i also still have my atari and a very good editor librarian > > and randomizer(that took me all the way round this machine quite > > quickly). any info on this is welcome, though, of course. > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > extra bank saga: > > > > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > > > > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > > > > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > > > > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > > > > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > > > > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > > > > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > > > > card. > > > > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > > > > card1/2... > > > > > > ?? > > > > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-17 by k9k9dog
lol.. now check the save mode, that will confuse you again. you have vz8, 10 or 1? --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > OK I just got my RA500 RAM card in the mail. > > It appears my memory has served me wrong, after not having a working card for nearly a year to use and remember. It only holds one bank of "Normal" mode patches - not 2 as I've thought and mentioned. > > Please forgive my mistake. > > I was so sure that I had been using 2 banks on my PG guitar all this time back then. When I put the card in the VZ10M and checked the banks there wa only one bank - "Card 1" available. And when in Operation mode there was only one bank. > > Reading up on formatting the card in the VZ10M manual, it states in p77 "When a RAM card is formatted, it is automatically programmmed with the VZ's 64 preset patches and 64 preset operation memories". > > Also, reading the PG380 guitar manual on p12 it states that "by slipping a RAM card into the back of the guitar you'll have an additional 64 sounds.....or with a ROM card for 128 new sounds" > > So there you go. > > But burnt into my mind there is this nagging memory of being able to have an extra bank on the RAM card. I must have been mistaken though, because looking at the schematics for both cards, the RAM chip is a 256K SRAM chip while the ROM card has a 512k PROM chip - offering twice the capacity of the RAM card. Perhaps i was confused with the times I used a ROM card in it and could access 2 extra banks. > > My mistake everyone (diappearing back into my swamp now.....) > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > I don't think either manuals do a very good job at describing what actually really happens, but I think that the idea is that the RAM card in the VZ10M can either store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories -- OR -- 128 sounds and no operation memories, and in the VZ8M can store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories, BUT NOT 128 sounds and zero op memories. Either way, the RA500 can store 128 pieces of individual data, and on the VZ10M you have a choice of the mix of these 2 whereas the VZ8M doesn't allow such mix. I would presume that if your card was formatted in the VZ8M, only 64 patch memories would show up, but you WOULD see another 64 memory spaces in "operation" mode. That's just a guess, though. > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 128 SOUNDS' > > > (...!) m#####f#####... well, i have a vz8 anyway...let's check > > > page 9 on that...(this is getting boring for some people) > > > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 64 SOUNDS' > > > so there you have it. prime difference between vz8 and vz10. > > > my card must have been used previously in a vz10, and i never > > > formatted it. still, it is strange that the OS offers to save > > > out the second bank. i guess it is there, but the vz8 can't read > > > it. maybe there's a little mod that can give the vz8 more patches. > > > i'll persevere a bit more, but i'm not unhappy with what i have. > > > sysex dumps, and the poss of finding another card-or two...- will > > > do. i also still have my atari and a very good editor librarian > > > and randomizer(that took me all the way round this machine quite > > > quickly). any info on this is welcome, though, of course. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > extra bank saga: > > > > > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > > > > > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > > > > > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > > > > > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > > > > > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > > > > > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > > > > > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > > > > > card. > > > > > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > > > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > > > > > card1/2... > > > > > > > ?? > > > > > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > > > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > > > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-17 by Graham
A VZ-10M. I'll have a look tonight. What happens in the 8M? Cheers, Graham --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> > lol.. > now check the save mode, that will confuse you again. > you have vz8, 10 or 1? > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > OK I just got my RA500 RAM card in the mail. > > > > It appears my memory has served me wrong, after not having a working card for nearly a year to use and remember. It only holds one bank of "Normal" mode patches - not 2 as I've thought and mentioned. > > > > Please forgive my mistake. > > > > I was so sure that I had been using 2 banks on my PG guitar all this time back then. When I put the card in the VZ10M and checked the banks there wa only one bank - "Card 1" available. And when in Operation mode there was only one bank. > > > > Reading up on formatting the card in the VZ10M manual, it states in p77 "When a RAM card is formatted, it is automatically programmmed with the VZ's 64 preset patches and 64 preset operation memories". > > > > Also, reading the PG380 guitar manual on p12 it states that "by slipping a RAM card into the back of the guitar you'll have an additional 64 sounds.....or with a ROM card for 128 new sounds" > > > > So there you go. > > > > But burnt into my mind there is this nagging memory of being able to have an extra bank on the RAM card. I must have been mistaken though, because looking at the schematics for both cards, the RAM chip is a 256K SRAM chip while the ROM card has a 512k PROM chip - offering twice the capacity of the RAM card. Perhaps i was confused with the times I used a ROM card in it and could access 2 extra banks. > > > > My mistake everyone (diappearing back into my swamp now.....) > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > I don't think either manuals do a very good job at describing what actually really happens, but I think that the idea is that the RAM card in the VZ10M can either store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories -- OR -- 128 sounds and no operation memories, and in the VZ8M can store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories, BUT NOT 128 sounds and zero op memories. Either way, the RA500 can store 128 pieces of individual data, and on the VZ10M you have a choice of the mix of these 2 whereas the VZ8M doesn't allow such mix. I would presume that if your card was formatted in the VZ8M, only 64 patch memories would show up, but you WOULD see another 64 memory spaces in "operation" mode. That's just a guess, though. > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 128 SOUNDS' > > > > (...!) m#####f#####... well, i have a vz8 anyway...let's check > > > > page 9 on that...(this is getting boring for some people) > > > > > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 64 SOUNDS' > > > > so there you have it. prime difference between vz8 and vz10. > > > > my card must have been used previously in a vz10, and i never > > > > formatted it. still, it is strange that the OS offers to save > > > > out the second bank. i guess it is there, but the vz8 can't read > > > > it. maybe there's a little mod that can give the vz8 more patches. > > > > i'll persevere a bit more, but i'm not unhappy with what i have. > > > > sysex dumps, and the poss of finding another card-or two...- will > > > > do. i also still have my atari and a very good editor librarian > > > > and randomizer(that took me all the way round this machine quite > > > > quickly). any info on this is welcome, though, of course. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > extra bank saga: > > > > > > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > > > > > > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > > > > > > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > > > > > > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > > > > > > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > > > > > > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > > > > > > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > > > > > > card. > > > > > > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > > > > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > > > > > > card1/2... > > > > > > > > ?? > > > > > > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > > > > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > > > > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > > > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > > > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > > > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > > > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > > > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > > > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2012-04-17 by k9k9dog
re: getting a 2nd bank, not much at all. but if you go look in the save preset mode, you'll find it offers the option to save 'Card1'-suggesting there might be a (Card2)... tbh, i never hoped for more banks: you get INT bank(64), and the ram bank. that gives 128, which is enough to play around with on this machine. i could almost fill it with variations on TOI TOI.. but i have found some really (schlusch) 'wonderful' variations on 'cinema'. i'm chuffed i kept my atari ST, and all my softwares for it, as the editor/librarian is excellent, with its randomizer. i've got quite a few arpeggiation patches saved from my last vz8m> i also have czartist and had a cz101. after randomizing both, i found the limitations of the cz, and it went in a guilt-driven thinning out of my then set-up. this eventually took the vz too! i figured i'd get a vz10m, in my projective logic(yeah. i never got a ms20 either, after selling my ms10...bad mistake). you used to see them all the time, and the hohner variant too. and then i did the VST thing for years. so when this appeared for 60 quid, i snapped it up without a thought. mad hardcore synth, for me :o) if you want/need the editor, let me know. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> > A VZ-10M. I'll have a look tonight. What happens in the 8M? > > Cheers, Graham > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > lol.. > > now check the save mode, that will confuse you again. > > you have vz8, 10 or 1? > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > OK I just got my RA500 RAM card in the mail. > > > > > > It appears my memory has served me wrong, after not having a working card for nearly a year to use and remember. It only holds one bank of "Normal" mode patches - not 2 as I've thought and mentioned. > > > > > > Please forgive my mistake. > > > > > > I was so sure that I had been using 2 banks on my PG guitar all this time back then. When I put the card in the VZ10M and checked the banks there wa only one bank - "Card 1" available. And when in Operation mode there was only one bank. > > > > > > Reading up on formatting the card in the VZ10M manual, it states in p77 "When a RAM card is formatted, it is automatically programmmed with the VZ's 64 preset patches and 64 preset operation memories". > > > > > > Also, reading the PG380 guitar manual on p12 it states that "by slipping a RAM card into the back of the guitar you'll have an additional 64 sounds.....or with a ROM card for 128 new sounds" > > > > > > So there you go. > > > > > > But burnt into my mind there is this nagging memory of being able to have an extra bank on the RAM card. I must have been mistaken though, because looking at the schematics for both cards, the RAM chip is a 256K SRAM chip while the ROM card has a 512k PROM chip - offering twice the capacity of the RAM card. Perhaps i was confused with the times I used a ROM card in it and could access 2 extra banks. > > > > > > My mistake everyone (diappearing back into my swamp now.....) > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think either manuals do a very good job at describing what actually really happens, but I think that the idea is that the RAM card in the VZ10M can either store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories -- OR -- 128 sounds and no operation memories, and in the VZ8M can store 64 sounds and 64 operation memories, BUT NOT 128 sounds and zero op memories. Either way, the RA500 can store 128 pieces of individual data, and on the VZ10M you have a choice of the mix of these 2 whereas the VZ8M doesn't allow such mix. I would presume that if your card was formatted in the VZ8M, only 64 patch memories would show up, but you WOULD see another 64 memory spaces in "operation" mode. That's just a guess, though. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 128 SOUNDS' > > > > > (...!) m#####f#####... well, i have a vz8 anyway...let's check > > > > > page 9 on that...(this is getting boring for some people) > > > > > > > > > > 'OR TO AN OPTIONAL RAM CARD WHICH HOLDS AS MANY AS 64 SOUNDS' > > > > > so there you have it. prime difference between vz8 and vz10. > > > > > my card must have been used previously in a vz10, and i never > > > > > formatted it. still, it is strange that the OS offers to save > > > > > out the second bank. i guess it is there, but the vz8 can't read > > > > > it. maybe there's a little mod that can give the vz8 more patches. > > > > > i'll persevere a bit more, but i'm not unhappy with what i have. > > > > > sysex dumps, and the poss of finding another card-or two...- will > > > > > do. i also still have my atari and a very good editor librarian > > > > > and randomizer(that took me all the way round this machine quite > > > > > quickly). any info on this is welcome, though, of course. > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you try saving to the card in NORMAL mode? The VZ10M manual on p9 says that in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the card. When you go to save your patch, does pressing the card button several times on the VZ cause it to toggle through the RA500 CARD1 and CARD2 banks when it askes you where you want to save your patch??? ..anyway it won't be too long before I get my new card and I can remember what I did. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extra bank saga: > > > > > > > lol: ALL THREE manuals state: the RAM card stores 64 > > > > > > > operation memories and 64 patches. (VZ1/VZ10/VZ8) > > > > > > > so, that WOULD be it for me, but it doesn't explain > > > > > > > why the machine itself offers to save 'Card2'...wdf.. > > > > > > > or why it is called 'card1' and not just 'card'. > > > > > > > maybe there's some hidden trick, or it's only available via > > > > > > > sysex or something...let's see what happens when you get your > > > > > > > card. > > > > > > > (the ROM card has 2 banks...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since my card doesn't work anymore, I can't try this to tell you, I'll let you know when my new card arrives. Its been ages since I used the RAM card to know what I did. All I know is that I was able to save sounds to the RAM card that went into "bank 2" when selected in the guitar. Since the VZ10M manuual says you can save 128 patches, maybe the VZ8M is different?? I'll let you know how it works as soon as I get my new card (about 2 weeks) :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention on vz8 of any second bank...:( > > > > > > > > > BUT if you do 'save' it does offer option of > > > > > > > > > card1/2... > > > > > > > > > ?? > > > > > > > > > i tried all sorts of button combinations, to see > > > > > > > > > if it brought up card2...didn't happen. > > > > > > > > > rtfm. search continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, i'm confused now. :( > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > gonna have to study this. and i'll probably be hunting > > > > > > > > > > for another ra500 too. did you say the ra100 worked? > > > > > > > > > > never seen one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you sure it doesn't just have dead internal battery? > > > > > > > > > > most(all?) cards have a battery(?). schems are available > > > > > > > > > > on a VZ page anyway. > > > > > > > > > > i'll have to have a fiddle with the bank button, see what gives. > > > > > > > > > > ?normal/combination/multi? .. maybe the vz8 differs from the 10? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the VZ10M manual - it states that you can store 64 patches and 64 operation memories - so in essence 128 actual storage allotments. Ahh - found it - on page 9 it mentions when you are in NORMAL mode you can save 128 patches to the RAM card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it has 2 banks of 64 patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so according to the manual the ra500 offers 64 presets, > > > > > > > > > > > > eg ONE bank(not 2). it is the ROM card that has 2 banks ( i > > > > > > > > > > > > had this but no use to me so sold with last vz8m). > > > > > > > > > > > > however RA500 DOES say 'card1'. maybe you can name them when > > > > > > > > > > > > you format, i never did a format. but if anyone has any tips > > > > > > > > > > > > or infos... > > > > > > > > > > > > hope it was you that managed to grab the ra500 that was on sale > > > > > > > > > > > > in germany recently ;) (was gone when i asked about it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about modifying a general purpose sdram card? i have 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > panasonic 64kb pcm type memory card here, with a double row of > > > > > > > > > > > > connectors. don't know what to do with them, or what they are for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the RA500 has TWO banks? how do you access the 2nd bank? > > > > > > > > > > > > > when i hit 'Bank' i get 'Card1' (others are pst1/pst2/int). > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea what the actual memory capacity in KB is for these > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards(ra100+ra500)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried this? These cards were meant for the HT series keyboards but has anyone tried them in the VZ-1/8M/10M as an alternative to the RA-500 RAM card? I ask this as i'm looking for an RA-500 or an alternative right now. I think the RA-100 only has 64 memories (1 bank) as opposed to the RA500 with 128 (2 banks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or has anyone got an RA500 for sale?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >