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CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-05 by <ianwebster04@...>

I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?

Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-06 by Lee Borrell

No - never seen that. Is it out of tune by the same amount across the keyboard or different in different places? Is it still the same even if you return the pitch bend to centre detente?





On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, 20:56, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
 
  
I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?

RE: Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-19 by <ianwebster04@...>

I have reposted above as the fault has now 'developed' into not playing notes at all...or random notes but only when triggered via MIDI, playing the keys everything is absolutely fine?



---In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, <templarser@...> wrote:

No - never seen that. Is it out of tune by the same amount across the keyboard or different in different places? Is it still the same even if you return the pitch bend to centre detente?


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On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, 20:56, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?


Re: Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-19 by Lee Borrell

What happens when you trigger another MIDI device FROM the CZ,as opposed to vice versa? Is it only when the CZ is triggered externally?




On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 16:51, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
 
  
I have reposted above as the fault has now 'developed' into not playing notes at all...or random notes but only when triggered via MIDI, playing the keys everything is absolutely fine? 


---In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, <templarser@...> wrote:


No - never seen that. Is it out of tune by the same amount across the keyboard or different in different places? Is it still the same even if you return the pitch bend to centre detente?





On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, 20:56, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
 
  
I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?

Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-23 by steve_the_composer

It looks like all is OK from the keys, just incoming midi presents the problem.

Perhaps its a simple as the optoisolator going bad. I'd say it might be worth having someone look at it.

Let us know what happens.

Steve 

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
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> What happens when you trigger another MIDI device FROM the CZ,as opposed to vice versa? Is it only when the CZ is triggered externally?
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> On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 16:51, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
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> I have reposted above as the fault has now 'developed' into not playing notes at all...or random notes but only when triggered via MIDI, playing the keys everything is absolutely fine? 
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> ---In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, <templarser@> wrote:
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> No - never seen that. Is it out of tune by the same amount across the keyboard or different in different places? Is it still the same even if you return the pitch bend to centre detente?
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> On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, 20:56, "ianwebster04@" <ianwebster04@> wrote:
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> I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?
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Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-23 by Lee Borrell

My own thinking was the opto isolator system. Not sure how this is set up on CZs. On the interface I built for the commodore it was an individual chip.




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 From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@prodigy.net>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013, 19:31
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems
 


  
It looks like all is OK from the keys, just incoming midi presents the problem.

Perhaps its a simple as the optoisolator going bad. I'd say it might be worth having someone look at it.

Let us know what happens.

Steve 

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
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> What happens when you trigger another MIDI device FROM the CZ,as opposed to vice versa? Is it only when the CZ is triggered externally?
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> On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 16:51, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
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> Â  
> I have reposted above as the fault has now 'developed' into not playing notes at all...or random notes but only when triggered via MIDI, playing the keys everything is absolutely fine? 
> 
> 
> ---In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, <templarser@> wrote:
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> No - never seen that. Is it out of tune by the same amount across the keyboard or different in different places? Is it still the same even if you return the pitch bend to centre detente?
> 
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> On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, 20:56, "ianwebster04@" <ianwebster04@> wrote:
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> I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?
>

Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-24 by analogmonster@...

I've not seen a schematic or service manual for the 3000 but for my 1000 it was a pc900 optoisolator which are cheap and readily available from mouser etc.
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On 23 Nov 2013, at 20:32, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:

> My own thinking was the opto isolator system. Not sure how this is set up on CZs. On the interface I built for the commodore it was an individual chip.
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> From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013, 19:31
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems
> 
>  
> It looks like all is OK from the keys, just incoming midi presents the problem.
> 
> Perhaps its a simple as the optoisolator going bad. I'd say it might be worth having someone look at it.
> 
> Let us know what happens.
> 
> Steve 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
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> > What happens when you trigger another MIDI device FROM the CZ,as opposed to vice versa? Is it only when the CZ is triggered externally?
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> > On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 16:51, "ianwebster04@..." <ianwebster04@...> wrote:
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> > I have reposted above as the fault has now 'developed' into not playing notes at all...or random notes but only when triggered via MIDI, playing the keys everything is absolutely fine? 
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> > 
> > ---In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, <templarser@> wrote:
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> > No - never seen that. Is it out of tune by the same amount across the keyboard or different in different places? Is it still the same even if you return the pitch bend to centre detente?
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> > On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, 20:56, "ianwebster04@" <ianwebster04@> wrote:
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> > Â  
> > I have a strange issue with my CZ3000 it seems to play in tune from the keyboard but whenever I try to trigger it via MIDI it plays horrendously out of tune.. Has anybody else seen this behavior before?
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RE: CZ3000 Midi Pitch Problems

2013-11-24 by <joerg.spix@...>

The MIDI manufacturers hardware description standard uses a PC900, so a PC900 (or PC901) is very common, specially in older synths. So you might search for it and also for a diode close to it (see below).

I once had a problem with an AKAI MX73 master keyboard. The MIDI out was badly designed (to use one TTL chip less), so I got problems with longer cables or cables with less quality. (Any other MIDI device worked fine with these cables.)
I found out, that the 1N4148 diode in parallel to the optoisolator input degrades signal quality. A Schottky-diode (like a SB160, SB190, SB1100) instead of the 1N4148 works fine (because it switches faster), even with lower quality MIDI input signals. So I replaced the 1N4148 diode on my homemade MIDI interfaces with a Schotky-diode.
So it might be the diode, which disturbs the signal reception.
So try to replace the diode at the optoisolator first, either same type 1N4148 or Schottky-diode (a bit higher voltage, 50V should be enough, 1 Ampere is more than enough). If this does not help, try to replace the optoisolator too. If this also doesn't help, the problem is probably not in the MIDI input circuit.

Good luck!

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