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Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-06-27 by caleb.garner@...

Hi there,


I'm new to the group. Very excited to see what people know and are doing with their CZ synths.


I have a CZ-1000 and after researching in the past I was under the impression that the D batteries in it ARE the memory backup. I was ok with this but I kept the power button on (but plugged into a power supply) which I guess ultimately ended up slowly draining these rather expensive D batteries.. so I'm fed up with having to buy more batteries again and trusting them to keep my patches alive from one session to the next..


I have come across images of people doing 2032 battery backups and such, however I don't know if this is really the best way. My studio is setup so when I'm not using it I turn everything off from one location and that includes all wall warts and such.. so when the CZ is off it's totally devoid of power.


Also I've read that D batteries are not the backup. That these units do have some kind of internal battery backup so if that's true, I'd love to hear from someone here who knows this for a fact. I'd be willing to do some soldering / wiring if I could find some clear instructions on what to do. I don't want to ruin the unit in the process, but I feel like I can't trust D batteries for long term backing up. I'd rather no no D batteries in the unit and just have an easy to replace backup battery I could pop in every few years.


Thanks!

Caleb

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-11 by Daniel Forró

I suppose that you switch off each machine before switching off the  
main switch for all.

I don't think it would be a good idea to switch on all gear in the  
studio (including amplifiers) in one moment.

I have also central switches (two, because I use 100 V and 220 V  
machines in my studio) but always switch on each machine I use one by  
one after switching on the main switch, and switch off them again one  
by one before switching off the main switch. So only external power  
adapters are switched on/off with the main switches.

I'm not specialist in power lines but somehow I feel that switching on  
everything in one moment can be a kind of voltage and current shock  
for home power, kind of peak and overload for cables in the wall,  
fuses, fuse switches. Machines can get less voltage in the first  
moment before the power line somehow get cured from that shock, and  
also studio gear should be switched on in the certain order to avoid  
pops in speakers. I also keep the main mixer just before active studio  
speakers on zero output during switch on, and set level after...

Daniel Forro
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On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:33 AM, caleb.garner@... [CZsynth] wrote:
>   My studio is setup so when I'm not using it I turn everything off  
> from one location and that includes all wall warts and such.. so  
> when the CZ is off it's totally devoid of power.
>

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-11 by Caleb Garner

you know you'd think that's true, but i've asked (and asked) and no one 
seems to bat an eye at doing it this way.. you're the first person I've 
heard


I use a power conditioner as the main switch, so that also helps insure 
regulating power and avoiding spikes..


however not to assume too much I found this thread and as you can see 
yes some opinions are varied but there are guys in here who have done it 
for many many years and even some pointing out the advantage of not 
wearing out the on/off switches of aging gear.


https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/2urysb/central_onoff_switch_for_all_synths_gear_monitors/


but yea what I'm trying to do is figure out how I can remove the need 
for using D batteries as a backup since I'm not planning on playing this 
thing portably though I wouldn't mind keeping that ability of course.


For now I did go buy a 12 pack of D batteries just for now.. and I will 
just turn off the casio for now but even so I really would like to 
remove this dependency on expensive D batteries.. not to mention the 
potential risk of acid leaking.. sure a 2032 could as well but far less 
damaging and will last longer.  Casio's manual says the D batteries are 
only good for 12 months as backup..


Thanks,
Caleb






Daniel Forr� danforcz@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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> I suppose that you switch off each machine before switching off the 
> main switch for all.
>
> I don't think it would be a good idea to switch on all gear in the 
> studio (including amplifiers) in one moment.
>
> I have also central switches (two, because I use 100 V and 220 V 
> machines in my studio) but always switch on each machine I use one by 
> one after switching on the main switch, and switch off them again one 
> by one before switching off the main switch. So only external power 
> adapters are switched on/off with the main switches.
>
> I'm not specialist in power lines but somehow I feel that switching on 
> everything in one moment can be a kind of voltage and current shock 
> for home power, kind of peak and overload for cables in the wall, 
> fuses, fuse switches. Machines can get less voltage in the first 
> moment before the power line somehow get cured from that shock, and 
> also studio gear should be switched on in the certain order to avoid 
> pops in speakers. I also keep the main mixer just before active studio 
> speakers on zero output during switch on, and set level after...
>
> Daniel Forro
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:33 AM, caleb.garner@... 
> <mailto:caleb.garner@...> [CZsynth] wrote:
>>
>>   My studio is setup so when I'm not using it I turn everything off 
>> from one location and that includes all wall warts and such.. so when 
>> the CZ is off it's totally devoid of power.
>>
>
>

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-12 by Daniel Forró

On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@...  
[CZsynth] wrote:

> you know you'd think that's true, but i've asked (and asked) and no  
> one seems to bat an eye at doing it this way.. you're the first  
> person I've heard

That's strange as this is very important theme and everybody should be  
concerned with it and do it properly :-) In my book on home recording  
there's a whole chapter about this.

>
> I use a power conditioner as the main switch, so that also helps  
> insure regulating power and avoiding spikes..

Yes, that's true for the time when it is on, but I don't think it will  
avoid the initial voltage and current shock in the moment of switching  
on... But this should be answered by some specialist. If there's such  
person in this yahoo group, please explain!

>
> however not to assume too much I found this thread and as you can  
> see yes some opinions are varied but there are guys in here who have  
> done it for many many years and even some pointing out the advantage  
> of not wearing out the on/off switches of aging gear.

The fact that many people do something still doesn't mean and  
guarantee it's OK.

Concerning the wearing switches, that's ridiculous argument. Switches  
are made to do many thousands of cycles, I had never in my life any  
problem with any power switch. Besides leaving it always on can  
without any movement rise the danger of oxidization of contacts, which  
are self cleaning when normally used. Oxidization can cause increased  
resistance and bad contact. Who knows, maybe even a fire :-)

>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/2urysb/central_onoff_switch_for_all_synths_gear_monitors/

Yes, opinions differ. But opinion is opinion only, fact is fact.

It also depends how much gear is used. But lot of guys do it properly,  
also in proper order - audio mixer, amps and speakers switch on the  
last, switch off the first.

>
> but yea what I'm trying to do is figure out how I can remove the  
> need for using D batteries as a backup since I'm not planning on  
> playing this thing portably though I wouldn't mind keeping that  
> ability of course.
>
> For now I did go buy a 12 pack of D batteries just for now.. and I  
> will just turn off the casio for now but even so I really would like  
> to remove this dependency on expensive D batteries.. not to mention  
> the potential risk of acid leaking.. sure a 2032 could as well but  
> far less damaging and will last longer.  Casio's manual says the D  
> batteries are only good for 12 months as backup..

Yes, whole long one year. Is the word "only" applicable here? Do you  
really think it's so big problem to change batteries once in a year,  
and check sometimes if it's OK?
It could be a problem when we have to change them each month...
When using them only for backup, they last, and leaking danger is low  
- as the current consumption is low.

Daniel Forro

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-12 by Gordonjcp

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 04:23:09AM -0400, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@... [CZsynth] wrote:
> I use a power conditioner as the main switch, so that also helps insure 
> regulating power and avoiding spikes..
> 

That's a good idea but won't help with the inrush current of suddenly switching all the gear on simultaneously.

The power ratings are the continuous load, it says nothing about the big surge as all those smoothing capacitors charge up and that is a fair old whack.

> 
> however not to assume too much I found this thread and as you can see 
> yes some opinions are varied but there are guys in here who have done it 
> for many many years and even some pointing out the advantage of not 
> wearing out the on/off switches of aging gear.

Can't say I've ever seen a worn-out on/off switch.  I'm not saying it can't happen, but it wouldn't be the first failure mode I'd look for, put it that way.

> but yea what I'm trying to do is figure out how I can remove the need 
> for using D batteries as a backup since I'm not planning on playing this 
> thing portably though I wouldn't mind keeping that ability of course.

Look at how synths that use Nicad or coin cell batteries (or like the Kurzweils, a stack of HP7s in an easily-accessible hatch underneath) for memory backup.

Basically you want to cut the supply to the RAM chip and add a diode from +5V to the chip, and then add a backup battery with a diode to stop the +5V rail trying to charge it.

-- 
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-12 by George HS

Hi!

Like Gordon said, also in my opinion it´s the best way - if you don´t want to use the D batteries - to modify the voltage supply for the SRAM-buffer.

Here:

https://synthstuff.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/casio-ht-700-mods/
https://synthstuff.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ht700-mods-schematics.pdf
https://synthstuff.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ht700-mods-text-descriptions2.pdf

a user describes some modifications. Modification #3 shows, how to modify the SRAM-buffer voltage supply.


With kind Regards

George


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Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-12 by Caleb Garner

replying to both emails in here more or less:


- cool about the battery..  yea that diode makes me nervous.. no idea 
where that would go..


- yes changing batteries once a year isn't the worst thing to do.. i'll 
probably be ok with it once i get Unisyn installed with DP3.. so I can 
actually send / receive sysex patches from it..  this way patches get 
saved with songs and dump backups can be sent / pulled any time..  i 
have the cartridge with a fresh battery so that's safe..  and the 16 
internal could be restored literally as needed when doing a session..  
so there's that :)     I have midiquest11 which is great, but doesn't 
run on OS9..  So unisyn will have to do for most things.


- i get it.. it could be risky.. but then i have a number of pieces of 
gear that the engineers left off power switches.  ART is especially 
notorious for that..  I will probably do a few things but I'm going to 
trust things like wall warts to handle the power surge since they are 
outside the gear..   basically things i especially prize or are 
exceptionally old like my Mirage and Akai S612..  The casio will get the 
treatment since for now I'm not going to mess with diodes personally 
unless I can find someone locally to help out with it..  things like my 
fender quad reverb i don't turn on like that..  that's very very old and 
something i don't use all that often anyway..


- do have items with sketchy / close to breaking buttons on things..  
like my digitech RDS delay.. it works still but the "joint" it pivots on 
is wearing out and it's "this close" to popping out..  are most of my 
buttons ok?  yes..  but the article spoke to me about this because i 
could relate to his point.


- so yea i see enough high end pros doing it to not be too worried and 
in reality most of the stuff I have is not really very valuable.. so 
it's not like i have racks of Moogs and such..  but yea as i said a few 
gems (to me) I might give a little extra love too just for good karma..


- yea i always turn down the audio for my speakers / mixer to avoid any 
popping sounds.. that seems to do the trick to prevent anything from 
being hurt turning on/of


Thanks! :)
Caleb




Gordonjcp gordon@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 04:23:09AM -0400, Caleb Garner 
> caleb.garner@... [CZsynth] wrote:
> > I use a power conditioner as the main switch, so that also helps insure
> > regulating power and avoiding spikes..
> >
>
> That's a good idea but won't help with the inrush current of suddenly 
> switching all the gear on simultaneously.
>
> The power ratings are the continuous load, it says nothing about the 
> big surge as all those smoothing capacitors charge up and that is a 
> fair old whack.
>
> >
> > however not to assume too much I found this thread and as you can see
> > yes some opinions are varied but there are guys in here who have 
> done it
> > for many many years and even some pointing out the advantage of not
> > wearing out the on/off switches of aging gear.
>
> Can't say I've ever seen a worn-out on/off switch. I'm not saying it 
> can't happen, but it wouldn't be the first failure mode I'd look for, 
> put it that way.
>
> > but yea what I'm trying to do is figure out how I can remove the need
> > for using D batteries as a backup since I'm not planning on playing 
> this
> > thing portably though I wouldn't mind keeping that ability of course.
>
> Look at how synths that use Nicad or coin cell batteries (or like the 
> Kurzweils, a stack of HP7s in an easily-accessible hatch underneath) 
> for memory backup.
>
> Basically you want to cut the supply to the RAM chip and add a diode 
> from +5V to the chip, and then add a backup battery with a diode to 
> stop the +5V rail trying to charge it.
>
> -- 
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>
>

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-14 by bill bigrig

I have many devices in my muzik room, (a couple hundred). I turn them all on and off at the same time EXCEPT Amps. I have a couple power strips plugged in ahead of the main one to leave some things powered up 24/7. Of course, this means that if you lose house power, you'll lose data. Mainly  it saves the memory batteries for when I DO need them.
Rig
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 7/12/16, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@... [CZsynth] <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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 Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?
 To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2016, 10:13 AM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       replying to both emails in
  here more or less:
 
 
 
 - cool about the battery..  yea that diode makes me
 nervous.. no idea 
 where that would go..  
 
 
 
 - yes changing batteries once a year isn't the worst
 thing to do.. i'll 
 probably be ok with it once i get Unisyn installed with
 DP3.. so I can 
 actually send / receive sysex patches from it..  this way
 patches get 
 saved with songs and dump backups can be sent / pulled any
 time..  i 
 have the cartridge with a fresh battery so that's
 safe..  and the 16 
 internal could be restored literally as needed when doing a
 session..  
 so there's that :)     I have midiquest11 which is
 great, but doesn't 
 run on OS9..  So unisyn will have to do for most things. 
 
 
 
 
 - i get it.. it could be risky.. but then i have a number of
 pieces of 
 gear that the engineers left off power switches.  ART is
 especially 
 notorious for that..  I will probably do a few things but
 I'm going to 
 trust things like wall warts to handle the power surge since
 they are 
 outside the gear..   basically things i especially prize
 or are 
 exceptionally old like my Mirage and Akai S612..  The casio
 will get the
  treatment since for now I'm not going to mess with
 diodes personally 
 unless I can find someone locally to help out with it.. 
 things like my 
 fender quad reverb i don't turn on like that.. 
 that's very very old and
  something i don't use all that often anyway..  
 
 
 
 - do have items with sketchy / close to breaking buttons on
 things..  
 like my digitech RDS delay.. it works still but the
 "joint" it pivots on
  is wearing out and it's "this close" to
 popping out..  are most of my 
 buttons ok?  yes..  but the article spoke to me about this
 because i 
 could relate to his point. 
 
 
 
 - so yea i see enough high end pros doing it to not be too
 worried and 
 in reality most of the stuff I have is not really very
 valuable.. so 
 it's not like i have racks of Moogs and such..  but yea
 as i said a few 
 gems (to me) I might give a little extra love too just for
 good karma.. 
  
 
 
 
 - yea i always turn down the audio for my speakers / mixer
 to avoid any 
 popping sounds.. that seems to do the trick to prevent
 anything from 
 being hurt turning on/of
 
 
 
 Thanks! :)
 
 Caleb
 
 
 
 
 
 Gordonjcp gordon@...
 [CZsynth] wrote:
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
     
       
       
       On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 04:23:09AM -0400, Caleb
 Garner 
 caleb.garner@...
 [CZsynth] wrote:
 
 > I use a power conditioner as the main switch, so that
 also helps 
 insure 
 
 > regulating power and avoiding spikes..
 
 > 
 
 
 
 That's a good idea but won't help with the inrush
 current of suddenly 
 switching all the gear on simultaneously.
 
 
 
 The power ratings are the continuous load, it says nothing
 about the big
  surge as all those smoothing capacitors charge up and that
 is a fair 
 old whack.
 
 
 
 > 
 
 > however not to assume too much I found this thread and
 as you can 
 see 
 
 > yes some opinions are varied but there are guys in here
 who have 
 done it 
 
 > for many many years and even some pointing out the
 advantage of not
  
 
 > wearing out the on/off switches of aging gear.
 
 
 
 Can't say I've ever seen a worn-out on/off switch. 
 I'm not saying it 
 can't happen, but it wouldn't be the first failure
 mode I'd look for, 
 put it that way.
 
 
 
 > but yea what I'm trying to do is figure out how I
 can remove the 
 need 
 
 > for using D batteries as a backup since I'm not
 planning on playing
  this 
 
 > thing portably though I wouldn't mind keeping that
 ability of 
 course.
 
 
 
 Look at how synths that use Nicad or coin cell batteries (or
 like the 
 Kurzweils, a stack of HP7s in an easily-accessible hatch
 underneath) for
  memory backup.
 
 
 
 Basically you want to cut the supply to the RAM chip and add
 a diode 
 from +5V to the chip, and then add a backup battery with a
 diode to stop
  the +5V rail trying to charge it.
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
 
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
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Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-14 by Caleb Garner

Thanks for the insight everyone..  I think basically yea I'll just avoid 
the modification and stick with batteries for now..  i think part of the 
issue was that I killed my batteries because I left the CZ-1000 on all 
the time..  I assumed like other devices I have (like the DR-5) that it' 
smart enough to cut off the batteries IF the power supply is plugged in 
(not even on, just plugged in)... i guess it realizes a circuit is 
complete while plugged in so it smartly ignores the batteries 
completely..   so when I found I had killed (well weakened too much to 
turn on but it was still keeping the patches alive..  I figured I'd 
explore a backup battery option, but instead I'll just be in the habit 
of turning it off specifically.  At least it's "fortunate" to not have a 
thru port where other devices might be dependent on it being on or not..


Off topic, but part of this thread:
@Rig would you say it's a ok to power on powered monitor speakers?  or 
would that be something i turn off with a switch?  My fender Quad Tube 
amp would never be given that kind of treatment, but the solid state 
monitors felt different.  Please note that I keep volume down on the 
mixer so it never sends any kind of hot "pop" signal to the monitor 
turning off or on.


Thanks!
Caleb






bill bigrig billbigrig@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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> I have many devices in my muzik room, (a couple hundred). I turn them 
> all on and off at the same time EXCEPT Amps. I have a couple power 
> strips plugged in ahead of the main one to leave some things powered 
> up 24/7. Of course, this means that if you lose house power, you'll 
> lose data. Mainly it saves the memory batteries for when I DO need them.
> Rig
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 7/12/16, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@... [CZsynth] 
> <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2016, 10:13 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> replying to both emails in
> here more or less:
>
>
>
> - cool about the battery..  yea that diode makes me
> nervous.. no idea
> where that would go..
>
>
>
> - yes changing batteries once a year isn't the worst
> thing to do.. i'll
> probably be ok with it once i get Unisyn installed with
> DP3.. so I can
> actually send / receive sysex patches from it..  this way
> patches get
> saved with songs and dump backups can be sent / pulled any
> time..  i
> have the cartridge with a fresh battery so that's
> safe..  and the 16
> internal could be restored literally as needed when doing a
> session..
> so there's that :)     I have midiquest11 which is
> great, but doesn't
> run on OS9..  So unisyn will have to do for most things.
>
>
>
>
> - i get it.. it could be risky.. but then i have a number of
> pieces of
> gear that the engineers left off power switches.  ART is
> especially
> notorious for that..  I will probably do a few things but
> I'm going to
> trust things like wall warts to handle the power surge since
> they are
> outside the gear..   basically things i especially prize
> or are
> exceptionally old like my Mirage and Akai S612..  The casio
> will get the
> treatment since for now I'm not going to mess with
> diodes personally
> unless I can find someone locally to help out with it..
> things like my
> fender quad reverb i don't turn on like that..
> that's very very old and
> something i don't use all that often anyway..
>
>
>
> - do have items with sketchy / close to breaking buttons on
> things..
> like my digitech RDS delay.. it works still but the
> "joint" it pivots on
> is wearing out and it's "this close" to
> popping out..  are most of my
> buttons ok?  yes..  but the article spoke to me about this
> because i
> could relate to his point.
>
>
>
> - so yea i see enough high end pros doing it to not be too
> worried and
> in reality most of the stuff I have is not really very
> valuable.. so
> it's not like i have racks of Moogs and such..  but yea
> as i said a few
> gems (to me) I might give a little extra love too just for
> good karma..
>
>
>
>
> - yea i always turn down the audio for my speakers / mixer
> to avoid any
> popping sounds.. that seems to do the trick to prevent
> anything from
> being hurt turning on/of
>
>
>
> Thanks! :)
>
> Caleb
>
>
>
>
>
> Gordonjcp gordon@...
> [CZsynth] wrote:
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>
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> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 04:23:09AM -0400, Caleb
> Garner
> caleb.garner@...
> [CZsynth] wrote:
>
> > I use a power conditioner as the main switch, so that
> also helps
> insure
>
> > regulating power and avoiding spikes..
>
> >
>
>
>
> That's a good idea but won't help with the inrush
> current of suddenly
> switching all the gear on simultaneously.
>
>
>
> The power ratings are the continuous load, it says nothing
> about the big
> surge as all those smoothing capacitors charge up and that
> is a fair
> old whack.
>
>
>
> >
>
> > however not to assume too much I found this thread and
> as you can
> see
>
> > yes some opinions are varied but there are guys in here
> who have
> done it
>
> > for many many years and even some pointing out the
> advantage of not
>
>
> > wearing out the on/off switches of aging gear.
>
>
>
> Can't say I've ever seen a worn-out on/off switch.
> I'm not saying it
> can't happen, but it wouldn't be the first failure
> mode I'd look for,
> put it that way.
>
>
>
> > but yea what I'm trying to do is figure out how I
> can remove the
> need
>
> > for using D batteries as a backup since I'm not
> planning on playing
> this
>
> > thing portably though I wouldn't mind keeping that
> ability of
> course.
>
>
>
> Look at how synths that use Nicad or coin cell batteries (or
> like the
> Kurzweils, a stack of HP7s in an easily-accessible hatch
> underneath) for
> memory backup.
>
>
>
> Basically you want to cut the supply to the RAM chip and add
> a diode
> from +5V to the chip, and then add a backup battery with a
> diode to stop
> the +5V rail trying to charge it.
>
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-14 by Caleb Garner

thats awesome insight thanks for sharing this.  I will forward it to "my 
guy" that might be able to do the work.


Thanks,
Caleb


George HS fm_synth_and_organ@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> Like Gordon said, also in my opinion it�s the best way - if you don�t 
> want to use the D batteries - to modify the voltage supply for the 
> SRAM-buffer.
>
> Here:
>
> https://synthstuff.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/casio-ht-700-mods/
> https://synthstuff.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ht700-mods-schematics.pdf
> https://synthstuff.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ht700-mods-text-descriptions2.pdf
>
> a user describes some modifications. Modification #3 shows, how to 
> modify the SRAM-buffer voltage supply.
>
>
> With kind Regards
>
> George
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-14 by Caleb Garner

wow that's awesome..  yea i can't imagine it wouldn't work.. they are 
way more similar than different..  in fact isn't the CZ-1000 just a 
bigger key version of the 101?  i mean like literally that's all..  a 
bigger keyboard with the same parts.


I would definitely go for that over any battery system.. even if it cost 
a little extra..  think of the value add that would give it :)


Also.. anyone here have any other mods done to their CZ keyboard?  I 
read some of those things in the prior link and i don't know.. when i 
heard things like "mounting pots" on the front by the pitch bend.. i got 
kinda excited about the prospect of adding realtime knobs / sliders to a 
CZ..


Caleb






dlonrattam@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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>
> Have you guys heard about this?
>
>
> Casio CZ-101 NON VOLATILE MEMORY MOD
>
> By installing this PCB and some perform modifications preserve the 
> memory patch of the CZ-101 without adapter or internal batteries.
> http://www.artefacts.nl/producten.html
>
> Possibly it could also work for other CZ.
>
> - Matt
>
>

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-14 by Daniel Forró

I have asked Maarten about it, because I wanted it for my CZ3000.

He answered that it works with CZ101 and CZ1000. He hasn't  
documentation for the other CZ instruments so he can't confirm it  
would work with them.

Daniel Forro
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On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:54 AM, dlonrattam@... [CZsynth] wrote:

>
>
> Have you guys heard about this?
>
> Casio CZ-101 NON VOLATILE MEMORY MOD
>
> By installing this PCB and some perform modifications preserve the  
> memory patch of the CZ-101 without adapter or internal batteries.
> http://www.artefacts.nl/producten.html
>
> Possibly it could also work for other CZ.
>
> - Matt

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-15 by Caleb Garner

I emailed the creator of that mod (Maarten?) to ask about the CZ-1000.  
I am glad to hear it might be an option.. but i have to find out what it 
would cost to install it.. or even MAYBE DIY..  depending what's 
involved..   I bet it would work although I don't have a CZ3000.. does 
it have more patch slots?  what's actually different about it?  I bet 
it's still possible that it works if the memory slots are the same.. 
(god i hope not..  16 internal is pitiful..  would more ram really cost 
that much more?!  what 8kb vs 4kb?  :)     I'm grateful when I bought 
mine that it came with a cartridge..






Daniel Forr� danforcz@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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> I have asked Maarten about it, because I wanted it for my CZ3000.
>
> He answered that it works with CZ101 and CZ1000. He hasn't 
> documentation for the other CZ instruments so he can't confirm it 
> would work with them.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:54 AM, dlonrattam@... 
> <mailto:dlonrattam@...> [CZsynth] wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Have you guys heard about this?
>>
>> Casio CZ-101 NON VOLATILE MEMORY MOD
>>
>> By installing this PCB and some perform modifications preserve the 
>> memory patch of the CZ-101 without adapter or internal batteries.
>> http://www.artefacts.nl/producten.html
>>
>> Possibly it could also work for other CZ.
>>
>> - Matt
>
>

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-21 by Daniel Forró

It has nothing to do with the size of memory. It takes care only about  
power supplying the original RAM.

You can download installation manual, just click on the word Manual on  
this page:

http://www.artefacts.nl/Products.html

Daniel Forro


On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@...  
[CZsynth] wrote:
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> I emailed the creator of that mod (Maarten?) to ask about the  
> CZ-1000.  I am glad to hear it might be an option.. but i have to  
> find out what it would cost to install it.. or even MAYBE DIY..   
> depending what's involved..   I bet it would work although I don't  
> have a CZ3000.. does it have more patch slots?  what's actually  
> different about it?  I bet it's still possible that it works if the  
> memory slots are the same.. (god i hope not..  16 internal is  
> pitiful..  would more ram really cost that much more?!  what 8kb vs  
> 4kb?  :)     I'm grateful when I bought mine that it came with a  
> cartridge..

Re: [CZsynth] Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-21 by Caleb Garner

i opted to not go that route because it still has a permanent battery.. 
sure it will be good for x number of years.. but eventually more 
soldering will be required..  i'm going with a 2032 approach where i can 
replace batteries without soldering ever again..


plus i've had more gear be destroyed or nearly destroyed by those barrel 
shaped batteries..  no thank you :)


my comment about memory is complaining to casio for only giving a user 
16 patches to work with internally.. come on man.. that's just bad..  
and i thought yamaha f'd up when they gave the tx7 32 slots.  :)


Caleb






Daniel Forr� danforcz@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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>
> It has nothing to do with the size of memory. It takes care only about
> power supplying the original RAM.
>
> You can download installation manual, just click on the word Manual on
> this page:
>
> http://www.artefacts.nl/Products.html
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@...
> [CZsynth] wrote:
>
> > I emailed the creator of that mod (Maarten?) to ask about the
> > CZ-1000. I am glad to hear it might be an option.. but i have to
> > find out what it would cost to install it.. or even MAYBE DIY..
> > depending what's involved.. I bet it would work although I don't
> > have a CZ3000.. does it have more patch slots? what's actually
> > different about it? I bet it's still possible that it works if the
> > memory slots are the same.. (god i hope not.. 16 internal is
> > pitiful.. would more ram really cost that much more?! what 8kb vs
> > 4kb? :) I'm grateful when I bought mine that it came with a
> > cartridge..
>
>

Re: Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-23 by smw-mail@...

>> i'm going with a 2032 approach where i can replace batteries without soldering ever again.

I like this approach (assuming it will work). I have some older gear that has soldered batteries I can no longer find, so maybe putting in a CR-2032 holder somewhere inside might work!! Thanks.


>> plus i've had more gear be destroyed or nearly destroyed by those barrel shaped batteries.

Excellent point. I have one VZ-8m with a dead battery (but no leaks or corrosion that I could see from peeking inside). I just sysex data when I need it, but it might be good to pull the battery out anyway to avoid possible corrosion/leaks.

>> my comment about memory is complaining to casio for only giving a user 16 patches to work with internally.. come on man.. that's just bad.. and i thought yamaha f'd up when they gave the tx7 32 slots. :)

No complaints about the low polyphony count on the CZ? ;-)

How about the lack of F7 at the end of sysex commands which use handshaking? JMO, but that is so much worse.

Steve

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-07-24 by Caleb Garner

well in my cases the 2032 batteries i've replaced were 2032 batteries 
already..  some memory requirements are particular.. definitely be sure 
you do something someone else can validate as good before tinkering..




yea yank those batteries out if they are no longer working and you can 
work with what it is..




low poly CZ?  nah that's never really bothered me..  8 notes poly is 
plenty in my experience and yea the Sysex stuff.... i'm just getting 
into that stuff so I can't say either way..




I'm using Digital Performer 3 in combination with Unisyn 1.5..  i'm 
hoping I can easily save / load patches for songs as needed when i get 
more comfortable with the workflow.. we'll see..




I'm asking the guy who may do the CZ-1000 battery mod to take a look at 
some of those other mods around to see what it would take to do them.. 
the idea of adding knobs to a CZ for realtime fun sounds so sweet, but 
it could also turn into a money pit.. so I'm cautiously optimistic..




Thanks,
caleb








smw-mail@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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>
> >> i'm going with a 2032 approach where i can replace batteries 
> without soldering ever again.
>
> I like this approach (assuming it will work). I have some older gear 
> that has soldered batteries I can no longer find, so maybe putting in 
> a CR-2032 holder somewhere inside might work!! Thanks.
>
>
> >> plus i've had more gear be destroyed or nearly destroyed by those 
> barrel shaped batteries.
>
> Excellent point.  I have one VZ-8m with a dead battery (but no leaks 
> or corrosion that I could see from peeking inside).  I just sysex data 
> when I need it, but it might be good to pull the battery out anyway to 
> avoid possible corrosion/leaks.
>
> >> my comment about memory is complaining to casio for only giving a 
> user 16 patches to work with internally.. come on man.. that's just 
> bad..  and i thought yamaha f'd up when they gave the tx7 32 slots.  :)
>
> No complaints about the low polyphony count on the CZ?  ;-)
>
> How about the lack of F7 at the end of sysex commands which use 
> handshaking? JMO, but that is so much worse.
>
> Steve
>
>

Re: Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-08-02 by Brendan Cooney

Replying to the original post.

I am no expert but my impression is that you do not need to leave the power on for the batteries to save the internal sound bank. Both of my CZ's do not have functioning internal batteries.. so If I leave them unplugged without D batteries they lose their internal bank sounds after a day or so. But with D batteries or with the AC plugged in, they will keep those internal banks.

I also use an iPad editor, CZTouch, for all editing, patch storage and sysex dumps. It is a great program to have and very easy to use. With it, I have no worries about losing patches. B/c of this program I haven't even bothered to by a memory cartridge. What's the point of buying an expensive cartridge, having to replace its internal battery, worry about it getting messed up, etc, when you could save an infinite amount of patches on an iPad. And because I use my CZ for live performing, not in the studio, I could easily use the iPad to load patches on the fly in a live situation.

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Best backup battery solution for CZ-1000?

2016-08-22 by Caleb Garner

Yea it's a good point.  I also have CZ Touch and that does offer a 
pretty good solution and I may just end up going that route.  I just 
like the idea of having all of the patches in there on the fly.. for 
creative / inspirational stuff.. i just like having them all live and 
ready..  but yea probably not worth investing in that kind of backup.. i 
just imagine how nice it would be to have patches be safe for 5+ off a 
2032..


Thanks
Caleb






Brendan Cooney cooneypiano@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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> Replying to the original post.
>
> I am no expert but my impression is that you do not need to leave the 
> power on for the batteries to save the internal sound bank. Both of my 
> CZ's do not have functioning internal batteries.. so If I leave them 
> unplugged without D batteries they lose their internal bank sounds 
> after a day or so. But with D batteries or with the AC plugged in, 
> they will keep those internal banks.
>
> I also use an iPad editor, CZTouch, for all editing, patch storage and 
> sysex dumps. It is a great program to have and very easy to use. With 
> it, I have no worries about losing patches. B/c of this program I 
> haven't even bothered to by a memory cartridge. What's the point of 
> buying an expensive cartridge, having to replace its internal battery, 
> worry about it getting messed up, etc, when you could save an infinite 
> amount of patches on an iPad. And because I use my CZ for live 
> performing, not in the studio, I could easily use the iPad to load 
> patches on the fly in a live situation.
>
>

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.