Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Hi Stefan,

 

That's a very good point, unfortunately the PEK has gone back to the
shop so I cannot try it now. I am waiting for a replacement that should
be with me on Friday, if that is the same I will know I have been a
fool!

I think it is not the case though as I first noticed the problem when
playing the PEK from my Nord G2 and via midi guitar from an AXON ax100.
This was without cubase running. I noticed that even sending a full 127
velocity message from the guitar or G2 that the PEK was very quite, if I
played a hard note on the PEK keyboard it was loud, this is what got me
testing with Cubase just to see if I was imagining it!

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of drtrippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:05
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Andrew, one last vague possibility that I can think of:

How did you record both midi and audio in Cubase at a time when 
playing with the keyboard in local on mode ?

If I try to reproduce this, I always get a midi loop, means that the 
midi track that I activate to record incoming data is automatically 
set to midi through as well.

Maybe you can check if during your "direct" recording of the PEK's 
audio out maybe 2 voices were triggered at a time.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
> very annoying!
> 
> 
> 
> The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.
> 
> 
> 
> Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the 
midi
> and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
> shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
> redone for this test using a different midi controller.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all 
other 
> Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB 
louder
> than 
> the outs of the other models.
> 
> > Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to 
on
> your 
> > PEK when you first got it?
> 
> I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a 
unit
> from 
> the pre-series-production ;)
> 
> No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can 
help.
> 
> Greets
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
> correct 
> volume.
> 
> I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached 
them to
> the 
> PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely 
looks
> like 
> the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.
> 
> I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that 
looks
> 
> like it may be affecting the PEK.
> 
> I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.
> 
> Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned 
PEK as
> the 
> settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
> Transpose 
> and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi 
filtering in
> your
> PC system.
> 
> Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
> eliminating
> all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local 
off
> and
> then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
> mode
> without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you 
need
> to
> hit identic velocity values during playing.
> 
> I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, 
more
> likely in the external midi chain.
> 
> If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
> midi
> too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.
> 
> Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have 
them
> in
> mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched 
off
> that
> could influence the reacting on external midi.
> 
> Greets
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Do you think It is faulty?
> 
> I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.
> 
> My evolver desktop does not act in this way.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then 
play
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi 
have
> the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by 
midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
> <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when 
driven
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
>