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Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-04 by Stefan Trippler

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have the 
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard


Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stefan,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

 

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

 

Cheers

 

Andy

 

________________________________
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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the 
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Stefan Trippler

Hi Andrew,

That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.

Regards
Stefan
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard


Hi Stefan,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

 

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

 

Cheers

 

Andy

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the 
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stefan,

 

Do you think It is faulty?

 

I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.

 

My evolver desktop does not act in this way.

 

Cheers

 

Andy

 

________________________________
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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Hi Andrew,

That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@sgi.com <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the reply.

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

Cheers

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the 
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
<mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Stefan Trippler

Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi filtering in your 
PC system.

Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus eliminating 
all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local off and 
then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on mode 
without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you need to 
hit identic velocity values during playing.

I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, more 
likely in the external midi chain.

If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via midi 
too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.

Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have them in 
mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched off that 
could influence the reacting on external midi.

Greets
Stefan
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Capon
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard


Hi Stefan,

Do you think It is faulty?

I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.

My evolver desktop does not act in this way.

Cheers

Andy




From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Andrew,

That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the reply.

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

Cheers

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stefan,

 

I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
correct volume.

 

I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached them to
the PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely
looks like the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.

 

I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that looks
like it may be affecting the PEK.

 

I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.

 

Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned PEK as
the settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
Transpose and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got
it?

 

Thanks

 

Andy

 

 

________________________________
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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi filtering in
your 
PC system.

Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
eliminating 
all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local off
and 
then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
mode 
without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you need
to 
hit identic velocity values during playing.

I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, more

likely in the external midi chain.

If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
midi 
too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.

Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have them
in 
mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched off
that 
could influence the reacting on external midi.

Greets
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Capon
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Do you think It is faulty?

I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.

My evolver desktop does not act in this way.

Cheers

Andy

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Andrew,

That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the reply.

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

Cheers

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
<mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Stefan Trippler

Hi Andrew,

there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all other 
Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB louder than 
the outs of the other models.

> Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to on your 
> PEK when you first got it?

I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a unit from 
the pre-series-production ;)

No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can help.

Greets

Stefan
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Capon
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard


Hi Stefan,

I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the correct 
volume.

I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached them to the 
PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely looks like 
the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.

I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that looks 
like it may be affecting the PEK.

I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.

Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned PEK as the 
settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the Transpose 
and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?

Thanks

Andy





From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi filtering in your
PC system.

Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus eliminating
all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local off and
then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on mode
without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you need to
hit identic velocity values during playing.

I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, more
likely in the external midi chain.

If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via midi
too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.

Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have them in
mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched off that
could influence the reacting on external midi.

Greets
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Capon
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Do you think It is faulty?

I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.

My evolver desktop does not act in this way.

Cheers

Andy

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Andrew,

That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the reply.

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

Cheers

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stefan,

 

Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
very annoying!

 

The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.

 

Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the midi
and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
redone for this test using a different midi controller.

 

Cheers


Andy

 

________________________________
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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Hi Andrew,

there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all other 
Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB louder
than 
the outs of the other models.

> Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to on
your 
> PEK when you first got it?

I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a unit
from 
the pre-series-production ;)

No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can help.

Greets

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Capon
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
correct 
volume.

I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached them to
the 
PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely looks
like 
the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.

I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that looks

like it may be affecting the PEK.

I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.

Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned PEK as
the 
settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
Transpose 
and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?

Thanks

Andy

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi filtering in
your
PC system.

Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
eliminating
all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local off
and
then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
mode
without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you need
to
hit identic velocity values during playing.

I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, more
likely in the external midi chain.

If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
midi
too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.

Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have them
in
mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched off
that
could influence the reacting on external midi.

Greets
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Capon
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Do you think It is faulty?

I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.

My evolver desktop does not act in this way.

Cheers

Andy

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Andrew,

That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the reply.

I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.

If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play
the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
between 4 and 6 db lower!

Cheers

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the
same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.

Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
<mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Guys,

My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
by the keyboard, is this normal?

Cheers

Andy

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by drtrippler

Andrew, one last vague possibility that I can think of:

How did you record both midi and audio in Cubase at a time when 
playing with the keyboard in local on mode ?

If I try to reproduce this, I always get a midi loop, means that the 
midi track that I activate to record incoming data is automatically 
set to midi through as well.

Maybe you can check if during your "direct" recording of the PEK's 
audio out maybe 2 voices were triggered at a time.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
> very annoying!
> 
>  
> 
> The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.
> 
>  
> 
> Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the 
midi
> and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
> shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
> redone for this test using a different midi controller.
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all 
other 
> Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB 
louder
> than 
> the outs of the other models.
> 
> > Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to 
on
> your 
> > PEK when you first got it?
> 
> I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a 
unit
> from 
> the pre-series-production ;)
> 
> No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can 
help.
> 
> Greets
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
> correct 
> volume.
> 
> I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached 
them to
> the 
> PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely 
looks
> like 
> the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.
> 
> I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that 
looks
> 
> like it may be affecting the PEK.
> 
> I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.
> 
> Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned 
PEK as
> the 
> settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
> Transpose 
> and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi 
filtering in
> your
> PC system.
> 
> Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
> eliminating
> all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local 
off
> and
> then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
> mode
> without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you 
need
> to
> hit identic velocity values during playing.
> 
> I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, 
more
> likely in the external midi chain.
> 
> If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
> midi
> too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.
> 
> Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have 
them
> in
> mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched 
off
> that
> could influence the reacting on external midi.
> 
> Greets
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Do you think It is faulty?
> 
> I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.
> 
> My evolver desktop does not act in this way.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then 
play
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi 
have
> the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by 
midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
> <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when 
driven
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
>

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Tony Scharf

If the sound is a 'unison' patch where all four voices are stacked, 
cubase maybe starting the sequencer which will 'steel' voice one on the 
PEK. Also, make sure that the cubase mixer is not sending a midi volumn 
command under 127.

Thats the only thing I could think of that could cause this.

Tony

Andrew Capon wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi Stefan,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
>  
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
>  
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then play 
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then 
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers
> 
>  
> 
> Andy
> 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> *From:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Stefan Trippler
> *Sent:* 04 July 2006 21:56
> *To:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
>  
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when driven
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
>

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stefan,

 

That's a very good point, unfortunately the PEK has gone back to the
shop so I cannot try it now. I am waiting for a replacement that should
be with me on Friday, if that is the same I will know I have been a
fool!

I think it is not the case though as I first noticed the problem when
playing the PEK from my Nord G2 and via midi guitar from an AXON ax100.
This was without cubase running. I noticed that even sending a full 127
velocity message from the guitar or G2 that the PEK was very quite, if I
played a hard note on the PEK keyboard it was loud, this is what got me
testing with Cubase just to see if I was imagining it!

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of drtrippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:05
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Andrew, one last vague possibility that I can think of:

How did you record both midi and audio in Cubase at a time when 
playing with the keyboard in local on mode ?

If I try to reproduce this, I always get a midi loop, means that the 
midi track that I activate to record incoming data is automatically 
set to midi through as well.

Maybe you can check if during your "direct" recording of the PEK's 
audio out maybe 2 voices were triggered at a time.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
> very annoying!
> 
> 
> 
> The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.
> 
> 
> 
> Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the 
midi
> and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
> shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
> redone for this test using a different midi controller.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all 
other 
> Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB 
louder
> than 
> the outs of the other models.
> 
> > Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to 
on
> your 
> > PEK when you first got it?
> 
> I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a 
unit
> from 
> the pre-series-production ;)
> 
> No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can 
help.
> 
> Greets
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
> correct 
> volume.
> 
> I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached 
them to
> the 
> PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely 
looks
> like 
> the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.
> 
> I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that 
looks
> 
> like it may be affecting the PEK.
> 
> I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.
> 
> Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned 
PEK as
> the 
> settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
> Transpose 
> and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi 
filtering in
> your
> PC system.
> 
> Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
> eliminating
> all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local 
off
> and
> then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
> mode
> without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you 
need
> to
> hit identic velocity values during playing.
> 
> I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, 
more
> likely in the external midi chain.
> 
> If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
> midi
> too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.
> 
> Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have 
them
> in
> mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched 
off
> that
> could influence the reacting on external midi.
> 
> Greets
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Do you think It is faulty?
> 
> I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.
> 
> My evolver desktop does not act in this way.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then 
play
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi 
have
> the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by 
midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
> <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when 
driven
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
>

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-05 by Andrew Capon

Hi Tony,

 

Thanks for the reply. I was using patch 128 in the tests with poly mode
on. The PEK has gone back to the shop now and I am waiting for a
replacement.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Scharf
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:54
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 


If the sound is a 'unison' patch where all four voices are stacked, 
cubase maybe starting the sequencer which will 'steel' voice one on the 
PEK. Also, make sure that the cubase mixer is not sending a midi volumn 
command under 127.

Thats the only thing I could think of that could cause this.

Tony

Andrew Capon wrote:
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> 
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> 
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then
play 
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then 
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> *From:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] 
> *On Behalf Of *Stefan Trippler
> *Sent:* 04 July 2006 21:56
> *To:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing
keyboard
> 
> 
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi have
the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
<mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when
driven
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
>

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-06 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stefan and Tony,

The shop I got the PEK from has now tested the PEK and found the same
problem so it was a faulty one.

They have tested another one which is 0.2dB out which sounds good to me.

They are sending this one and I should get it tomorrow.

All the best

Andy

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew Capon
Sent: 05 July 2006 14:11
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Hi Stefan,

 

That's a very good point, unfortunately the PEK has gone back to the
shop so I cannot try it now. I am waiting for a replacement that should
be with me on Friday, if that is the same I will know I have been a
fool!

I think it is not the case though as I first noticed the problem when
playing the PEK from my Nord G2 and via midi guitar from an AXON ax100.
This was without cubase running. I noticed that even sending a full 127
velocity message from the guitar or G2 that the PEK was very quite, if I
played a hard note on the PEK keyboard it was loud, this is what got me
testing with Cubase just to see if I was imagining it!

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of drtrippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:05
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Andrew, one last vague possibility that I can think of:

How did you record both midi and audio in Cubase at a time when 
playing with the keyboard in local on mode ?

If I try to reproduce this, I always get a midi loop, means that the 
midi track that I activate to record incoming data is automatically 
set to midi through as well.

Maybe you can check if during your "direct" recording of the PEK's 
audio out maybe 2 voices were triggered at a time.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
> very annoying!
> 
> 
> 
> The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.
> 
> 
> 
> Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the 
midi
> and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
> shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
> redone for this test using a different midi controller.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all 
other 
> Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB 
louder
> than 
> the outs of the other models.
> 
> > Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to 
on
> your 
> > PEK when you first got it?
> 
> I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a 
unit
> from 
> the pre-series-production ;)
> 
> No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can 
help.
> 
> Greets
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
> correct 
> volume.
> 
> I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached 
them to
> the 
> PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely 
looks
> like 
> the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.
> 
> I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that 
looks
> 
> like it may be affecting the PEK.
> 
> I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.
> 
> Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned 
PEK as
> the 
> settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
> Transpose 
> and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi 
filtering in
> your
> PC system.
> 
> Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
> eliminating
> all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local 
off
> and
> then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
> mode
> without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you 
need
> to
> hit identic velocity values during playing.
> 
> I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, 
more
> likely in the external midi chain.
> 
> If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
> midi
> too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.
> 
> Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have 
them
> in
> mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched 
off
> that
> could influence the reacting on external midi.
> 
> Greets
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Do you think It is faulty?
> 
> I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.
> 
> My evolver desktop does not act in this way.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then 
play
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi 
have
> the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by 
midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
> <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when 
driven
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
>

Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-06 by Stefan Trippler

Cool. Have a lot of fun with the new unit then ;)

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard


Hi Stefan and Tony,

The shop I got the PEK from has now tested the PEK and found the same
problem so it was a faulty one.

They have tested another one which is 0.2dB out which sounds good to me.

They are sending this one and I should get it tomorrow.

All the best

Andy

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew Capon
Sent: 05 July 2006 14:11
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Hi Stefan,

 

That's a very good point, unfortunately the PEK has gone back to the
shop so I cannot try it now. I am waiting for a replacement that should
be with me on Friday, if that is the same I will know I have been a
fool!

I think it is not the case though as I first noticed the problem when
playing the PEK from my Nord G2 and via midi guitar from an AXON ax100.
This was without cubase running. I noticed that even sending a full 127
velocity message from the guitar or G2 that the PEK was very quite, if I
played a hard note on the PEK keyboard it was loud, this is what got me
testing with Cubase just to see if I was imagining it!

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of drtrippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:05
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Andrew, one last vague possibility that I can think of:

How did you record both midi and audio in Cubase at a time when 
playing with the keyboard in local on mode ?

If I try to reproduce this, I always get a midi loop, means that the 
midi track that I activate to record incoming data is automatically 
set to midi through as well.

Maybe you can check if during your "direct" recording of the PEK's 
audio out maybe 2 voices were triggered at a time.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
> very annoying!
> 
> 
> 
> The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.
> 
> 
> 
> Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the 
midi
> and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
> shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
> redone for this test using a different midi controller.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all 
other 
> Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB 
louder
> than 
> the outs of the other models.
> 
> > Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to 
on
> your 
> > PEK when you first got it?
> 
> I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a 
unit
> from 
> the pre-series-production ;)
> 
> No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can 
help.
> 
> Greets
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
> correct 
> volume.
> 
> I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached 
them to
> the 
> PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely 
looks
> like 
> the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.
> 
> I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that 
looks
> 
> like it may be affecting the PEK.
> 
> I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.
> 
> Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned 
PEK as
> the 
> settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
> Transpose 
> and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi 
filtering in
> your
> PC system.
> 
> Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
> eliminating
> all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local 
off
> and
> then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
> mode
> without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you 
need
> to
> hit identic velocity values during playing.
> 
> I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, 
more
> likely in the external midi chain.
> 
> If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
> midi
> too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.
> 
> Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have 
them
> in
> mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched 
off
> that
> could influence the reacting on external midi.
> 
> Greets
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Do you think It is faulty?
> 
> I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.
> 
> My evolver desktop does not act in this way.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then 
play
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi 
have
> the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by 
midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
> <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when 
driven
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> by the keyboard, is this normal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
>

RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

2006-07-07 by Andrew Capon

Hi Stegan,

Its arrived and works great. I love it already, playing it from midi
guitar is fantastic. Now I need to get a rack as well for some more
voices!

Cheers

Andy

 

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
Sent: 06 July 2006 18:09
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

 

Cool. Have a lot of fun with the new unit then ;)

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan and Tony,

The shop I got the PEK from has now tested the PEK and found the same
problem so it was a faulty one.

They have tested another one which is 0.2dB out which sounds good to me.

They are sending this one and I should get it tomorrow.

All the best

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Andrew Capon
Sent: 05 July 2006 14:11
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Hi Stefan,

That's a very good point, unfortunately the PEK has gone back to the
shop so I cannot try it now. I am waiting for a replacement that should
be with me on Friday, if that is the same I will know I have been a
fool!

I think it is not the case though as I first noticed the problem when
playing the PEK from my Nord G2 and via midi guitar from an AXON ax100.
This was without cubase running. I noticed that even sending a full 127
velocity message from the guitar or G2 that the PEK was very quite, if I
played a hard note on the PEK keyboard it was loud, this is what got me
testing with Cubase just to see if I was imagining it!

Cheers

Andy

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of drtrippler
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:05
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard

Andrew, one last vague possibility that I can think of:

How did you record both midi and audio in Cubase at a time when 
playing with the keyboard in local on mode ?

If I try to reproduce this, I always get a midi loop, means that the 
midi track that I activate to record incoming data is automatically 
set to midi through as well.

Maybe you can check if during your "direct" recording of the PEK's 
audio out maybe 2 voices were triggered at a time.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Andrew Capon" <acapon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all you help, I know that the output is 3 db off, this is
> very annoying!
> 
> 
> 
> The test I did is still valid though. Please see enclosed jpg.
> 
> 
> 
> Top left is PEK audio recorded while playing, I also recorded the 
midi
> and then played this back to the PEK and recorded the audio which is
> shown top right. The bottom two are for the desktop, recording was
> redone for this test using a different midi controller.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 08:57
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> there is a volume difference between the Desktop Eolver and all 
other 
> Evolver models. The Desktop Evolver's audio out is around 3 dB 
louder
> than 
> the outs of the other models.
> 
> > Can you remember what the Transpose and LCD contrast were set to 
on
> your 
> > PEK when you first got it?
> 
> I can't. If I could it wouldn't be of much use because my PEK is a 
unit
> from 
> the pre-series-production ;)
> 
> No other ideas about your problem then, sorry. Hope support can 
help.
> 
> Greets
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I have just done a test using my desktop evolver which produces the
> correct 
> volume.
> 
> I then disconnected the midi leads from the desktop and attached 
them to
> the 
> PEK and re-did the test and the volume is lower, so it definitely 
looks
> like 
> the PEK rather than the Cubase/midi controller setup.
> 
> I have had a look at the global settings and can find nothing that 
looks
> 
> like it may be affecting the PEK.
> 
> I have emailed support so maybe they can shed some light on this.
> 
> Also I am beginning to think that the shop has sent me a returned 
PEK as
> the 
> settings seem to be a a little wrong. Can you remember what the
> Transpose 
> and LCD contrast were set to on your PEK when you first got it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%
40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 07:59
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> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Maybe you should check first if there isn't a kind of midi 
filtering in
> your
> PC system.
> 
> Or you can connect the PEKs midi In and Out with a cable, thus
> eliminating
> all influences of external interface and Cubase, switch it to local 
off
> and
> then check if there are volume differences in comparison to local on
> mode
> without cable. I know that this is difficult to judge because you 
need
> to
> hit identic velocity values during playing.
> 
> I hardly can imagine that there's a reason for this inside the PEK, 
more
> likely in the external midi chain.
> 
> If a PEK and PER are chained for more polyphony they communicate via
> midi
> too and normally there are no volume differences between the units.
> 
> Another possibility could be in the global parameters. I don't have 
them
> in
> mind atm, maybe you can check if there are midi parameters switched 
off
> that
> could influence the reacting on external midi.
> 
> Greets
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Andrew Capon
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Do you think It is faulty?
> 
> I got it yesterday so am thinking of ringing them for a replacement.
> 
> My evolver desktop does not act in this way.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 05 July 2006 06:22
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> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> That's weird indeed. Don't know how this can happen.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> I have the PEK connected to a pc via midi using Cubase SX3.
> 
> If I play something on the PEK and record the midi and audio, then 
play
> the midi back to the PEK and record the audio in Cubase it is then
> between 4 and 6 db lower!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> On Behalf Of Stefan Trippler
> Sent: 04 July 2006 21:56
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing 
keyboard
> 
> No this is not normal, assuming that the notes that come via midi 
have
> the
> same velocity as the motes you send from the keyboard.
> 
> Maybe you can explain in detail what you mean with "driven by 
midi" ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Capon" <acapon@... <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com>
> <mailto:acapon%40sgi.com> >
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:51 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] PEK volume lower from midi than useing keyboard
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> My PEK has much lower volume output when driven by midi than when 
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> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
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