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Sequencer Destinations

Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-18 by el3ctroboogie

Im a new evolver user. 
First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of things i 
was wondering.

It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to modulate the 
VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences a 
bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
slide on a tb-303

Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
modify overall step times for an individual note. This would allow 
for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
timing. Could be very interesting results.

Quest
questpond@...

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-19 by deranka

great suggestions

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "el3ctroboogie" <quest.pond@a...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Im a new evolver user. 
> First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of things i 
> was wondering.
> 
> It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to modulate the 
> VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences a 
> bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
> slide on a tb-303
> 
> Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
> modify overall step times for an individual note. This would allow 
> for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
> timing. Could be very interesting results.
> 
> Quest
> questpond@r...

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-19 by ski_ex5tech

You already posted this question, and I already answered (shortly 
afterwords):

http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000040

(Note:  If your email client or the Yahoo website has split the text 
of the link above, you will need to copy/paste it into the address 
bar of your browser.)


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "el3ctroboogie" <quest.pond@a...> 
wrote:
> Im a new evolver user. 
> First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of things i 
> was wondering.
> 
> It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to modulate 
the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences a 
> bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
> slide on a tb-303
> 
> Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
> modify overall step times for an individual note. This would allow 
> for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
> timing. Could be very interesting results.
> 
> Quest
> questpond@r...

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-19 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

And for which the answer is:

Well, congrats on your new Evolver, and welcome to EX5Tech!  

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It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to modulate the 
VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences a 
bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
slide on a tb-303
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Yes, technically, you are correct. Only the "Envelope Attack" stage 
is on the list of Modulation Destinations, not Decay, Sustain, or 
Release. However, there's at least one workaround that pops to mind 
(and there are probably others). You could assign a second envelope -
 Envelope #3 - to modulate the VCA or VCF, set a long Release time 
on that envelope, set its Amount to "0" (so that it normally doesn't 
change the VCA or VCF), and then use one of the four sequencer 
tracks to modulate the Envelope 3 Amount. You could do the opposite, 
too: Set a long Release on the dedicated VCA or VCF envelope, 
program Envelope #3 with a short Release, and use a sequencer track 
to invoke a *negative* Envelope 3 Amount. 

Where there's a will, there's a workaround! 




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Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
modify overall step times for an individual note. This would allow 
for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
timing. Could be very interesting results.
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Yes, it *would* be nice, but on the other hand, it *is* just a 
simple "step sequencer". Again, you could fake this to some degree 
by using Envelope 3 assigned to the VCA, setting a different Decay 
time than the dedicated VCA envelope, and modulating Envelope 3 
Amount with a sequencer track.

Of course, using workarounds like these hardly get you to a level on 
par with using something like Cubase. But on the other hand, I find 
that it's often actually very liberating to have to work within 
restrictions. You don't spend so much time programming tons of 
details, you stay more focused on the sounds and the music, and when 
you DO have to come up with some clever workaround(s) to your 
limitations, you sometimes get a cool sound or effect that you would 
have never otherwise achieved!


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> You already posted this question, and I already answered (shortly 
> afterwords):
> 
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000040
> 
> (Note:  If your email client or the Yahoo website has split the 
text 
> of the link above, you will need to copy/paste it into the address 
> bar of your browser.)
> 
> 
> Ski
> www.ex5tech.com
> EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "el3ctroboogie" 
<quest.pond@a...> 
> wrote:
> > Im a new evolver user. 
> > First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of things 
i 
> > was wondering.
> > 
> > It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to modulate 
> the 
> > VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences 
a 
> > bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
> > slide on a tb-303
> > 
> > Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
> > modify overall step times for an individual note. This would 
allow 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
> > timing. Could be very interesting results.
> > 
> > Quest
> > questpond@r...

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-19 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

But the best answer is: JUST WAIT (a little bit longer) . . . .  :)


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "deranka" <ralescu@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> great suggestions
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "el3ctroboogie" 
<quest.pond@a...> wrote:
> > Im a new evolver user. 
> > First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of things 
i 
> > was wondering.
> > 
> > It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to modulate 
the 
> > VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences 
a 
> > bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
> > slide on a tb-303
> > 
> > Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
> > modify overall step times for an individual note. This would 
allow 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
> > timing. Could be very interesting results.
> > 
> > Quest
> > questpond@r...

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-19 by thligrdd

I agree with Ravi. You picked a great time to get an evolver, and 
patience on your part will be rewarded. Lets just say the last 
chapter in the saga of the featurelist of the evolver has yet to be 
written. 

Err, not that I would know ;)


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> But the best answer is: JUST WAIT (a little bit longer) . . . .  :)
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "deranka" <ralescu@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > great suggestions
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "el3ctroboogie" 
> <quest.pond@a...> wrote:
> > > Im a new evolver user. 
> > > First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of 
things 
> i 
> > > was wondering.
> > > 
> > > It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to 
modulate 
> the 
> > > VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give sequences 
> a 
> > > bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
> > > slide on a tb-303
> > > 
> > > Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
> > > modify overall step times for an individual note. This would 
> allow 
> > > for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi 
clocks 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > timing. Could be very interesting results.
> > > 
> > > Quest
> > > questpond@r...

Re: [Evolver] Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-19 by Joe

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:25:03PM -0000, thligrdd wrote:
>    Err, not that I would know ;)

alright....spill the beans! are you guys beta-testing an OS or what? :-)

Joe

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-20 by thligrdd

We'll just have to wait and see, now won't we? 

No, I don't mean to be coy, but I really shouldn't say anything that 
might bite me - and/or Dave - in the ass since I don't really know 
his official policy on this kind of stuff.   

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:25:03PM -0000, thligrdd wrote:
> >    Err, not that I would know ;)
> 
> alright....spill the beans! are you guys beta-testing an OS or 
what? :-)
> 
> Joe

Re: Sequencer Destinations

2003-09-20 by todd_leben

Interesting. I wanted to do the same thing 2 hrs after I got the 
Evolver. Basically, you want to have different note durations (or 
'gate-time')

(Please note: my Evolver just stopped working so I can't double 
check what I did...

... but I'm pretty sure) This is what I did: Set the 'VCA  Level' to '0'. 
Set the VCA's 'Env Amt ' to '100'. Adjust the envelope's ADSR to 
your shortest note. Use one of the sequencer tracks to modulate 
the level of the VCA. Higher values in the seq. will sustain the 
sound, in effect, superceeding the envelope. This is not exactly 
'gate-time' but it might get you a little more funk.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "el3ctroboogie" 
<quest.pond@a...> wrote:
> Im a new evolver user. 
> First off the machine sounds great but i have a couple of things 
i 
> was wondering.
> 
> It doesnt seem possible to send the sequencer output to 
modulate the 
> VCA or VCF release. This would be good as it can give 
sequences a 
> bit more funk by making notes shorter or longer. Sort of like a 
> slide on a tb-303
> 
> Also it would be nice if you could set one of the seqencers to 
> modify overall step times for an individual note. This would 
allow 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> for longer and shorter notes, in effect altering the midi clocks 
> timing. Could be very interesting results.
> 
> Quest
> questpond@r...

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