Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in my experience
almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for months waiting
for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the developer to
trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to the PC   Each
time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he drops the ball :(
You're probably better off saving your money.

Elby

> Yes, Soundtower.
> The link is on Dave's site.
> I bought it this week Mac OSX version.
> Haven't had time to play with it but i know
> the Random generator is there. There is
> also a morph feature.
>
> Simon
>
> On 9-Jul-04, at 4:14 PM, Marc-Charles McNulty wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is there a way to have the Evolver generate random patch data?  There
> > is this feature on my Microwave XT and it's great to use as starting
> > point or point of inspiration.  Do any of the Evlover editors have this
> > feature?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Marc

has anyone used the unisyn editor for the evolver?

-- 
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how is the implementation of drawing waveforms for the user waves ???

is that working without problems? This would be the only reason why i
would buy it! Since there has never come out a "stand alone tool" for
that ( and for "wav2evo" )!! :(

any comments ?

thanx
phono






--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Mountain Man <mtman@c...> wrote:
> But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in my
experience
> almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
months waiting
> for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the developer to
> trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to the
PC   Each
> time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he drops
the ball :(
> You're probably better off saving your money.
> 
> Elby
> 
> 
> > Yes, Soundtower.
> > The link is on Dave's site.
> > I bought it this week Mac OSX version.
> > Haven't had time to play with it but i know
> > the Random generator is there. There is
> > also a morph feature.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > On 9-Jul-04, at 4:14 PM, Marc-Charles McNulty wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Is there a way to have the Evolver generate random patch data? 
There
> > > is this feature on my Microwave XT and it's great to use as starting
> > > point or point of inspiration.  Do any of the Evlover editors
have this

> > > feature?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Marc

> has anyone used the unisyn editor for the evolver?

Yes, the Unisyn editor works great. I'm in os9 though. It doesn't 
have any random generator, though, and no wave editing. But the 
rest of it works great. I think it might work in OSX but I'm not there 
yet. I'm not sure if it works for Poly either. One of the reasons I'm 
not getting the Poly is no OS9 editor.

> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .                 .
> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around 
silence.
> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.pgp .. ..

gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer never
answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on it... and
i never use it.

It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret spending $50
on what still is essentially a beta.

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


> But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in my
experience
> almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for months
waiting
> for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the developer to
> trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to the PC
Each
> time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he drops the ball
:(
> You're probably better off saving your money.
>
> Elby
>
>
> > Yes, Soundtower.
> > The link is on Dave's site.
> > I bought it this week Mac OSX version.
> > Haven't had time to play with it but i know
> > the Random generator is there. There is
> > also a morph feature.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > On 9-Jul-04, at 4:14 PM, Marc-Charles McNulty wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Is there a way to have the Evolver generate random patch data?  There
> > > is this feature on my Microwave XT and it's great to use as starting
> > > point or point of inspiration.  Do any of the Evlover editors have
this

> > > feature?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'd have to agree.  The author has been non-responsive to my 1 
question and the software isn't that good anyway.

What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the 
various parameters when your getting started.  Once your familiar 
with the synth then dump the software editor.

Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then 
it might be worth the $$.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
<richardscott@b...> wrote:
> gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer 
never
> answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on 
it... and
> i never use it.
> 
> It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret 
spending $50
> on what still is essentially a beta.
> 
> Richard
> 
> From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@c...>
> Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch 
generator?)
> 
> > But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in 
my
> experience
> > almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for 
months
> waiting
> > for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the 
developer to
> > trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to 
the PC
> Each
> > time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he 
drops the ball

> :(
> > You're probably better off saving your money.
> >
> > Elby

I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The software is letting
down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support and customer
service...

$50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a product if not as
exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate

Richard

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "dodgingrain" <Chris@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


> I'd have to agree.  The author has been non-responsive to my 1
> question and the software isn't that good anyway.
>
> What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the
> various parameters when your getting started.  Once your familiar
> with the synth then dump the software editor.
>
> Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then
> it might be worth the $$.
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer
> never
> > answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on
> it... and
> > i never use it.
> >
> > It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret
> spending $50
> > on what still is essentially a beta.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@c...>
> > Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> generator?)
> >
> > > But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in
> my
> > experience
> > > almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
> months
> > waiting
> > > for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the
> developer to
> > > trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to
> the PC
> > Each
> > > time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he
> drops the ball
> > :(
> > > You're probably better off saving your money.
> > >
> > > Elby
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Damn it. I just bought it last week based
on some of the comments on this site a few week s
ago. I still haven't tried it yet but 50$ is a lot
for me the days. How come everyone seemed
to love it last month and now it's carap ?

Thinking of asking for my money :(

On 12-Jul-04, at 12:02 PM, dodgingrain wrote:

> I'd have to agree.  The author has been non-responsive to my 1
> question and the software isn't that good anyway.
>
> What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the
> various parameters when your getting started.  Once your familiar
> with the synth then dump the software editor.
>
> Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then
> it might be worth the $$.
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
>> gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer
> never
>> answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on
> it... and
>> i never use it.
>>
>> It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret
> spending $50
>> on what still is essentially a beta.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@c...>
>> Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> generator?)
>>
>>> But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in
> my
>> experience
>>> almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
> months
>> waiting
>>> for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the
> developer to
>>> trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to
> the PC
>> Each
>>> time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he
> drops the ball
>> :(
>>> You're probably better off saving your money.
>>>
>>> Elby
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Scott

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)

I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The software is letting
down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support and customer
service...

$50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a product if not as
exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "dodgingrain" <Chris@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


> I'd have to agree. The author has been non-responsive to my 1
> question and the software isn't that good anyway.
>
> What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the
> various parameters when your getting started. Once your familiar
> with the synth then dump the software editor.
>
> Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then
> it might be worth the $$.
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> <;richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer
> never
> > answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on
> it... and
> > i never use it.
> >
> > It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret
> spending $50
> > on what still is essentially a beta.
> >
> >; Richard
> >
> > From: "Mountain Man" > > Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> generator?)
> >
> > > But try before you buy. The software is extremely buggy, and in
> my
> > experience
> > > almost useless. It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
> months
> > waiting
>; > > for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the
> developer to
> > > trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to
> the PC
> > Each
> >; > time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he
> drops the ball
> > :(
> > > You're probably better off saving your money.
> > >
> > > Elby
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it fatally 
flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell it would 
save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI were 
fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the report to the 
author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed that it 
had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I would 
have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts its been 
several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes it more 
frustrating. 

:(

FT

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
<richardscott@b...> wrote:
> I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The software is 
letting
> down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support and 
customer
> service...
> 
> $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a product if 
not as

> exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
> 
> Richard
>

Could the persons who have problems with the
Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
I can't work with it this week.

Thanks a lot,

Simon

On 12-Jul-04, at 12:35 PM, flametopuk wrote:

> I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it fatally
> flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell it would
> save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI were
> fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the report to the
> author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed that it
> had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I would
> have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts its been
> several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes it more
> frustrating.
>
> :(
>
> FT
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
>> I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The software is
> letting
>> down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support and
> customer
>> service...
>>
>> $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a product if
> not as
>> exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
>>
>> Richard
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Hmmm.. could someone comment the waveform drawing please? I am
thinking about buying it - but if this feature is buggy too i will
spend these 50$ for something else.. maybe someone can put that damn
thing in the files section *haha ;)



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "flametopuk" <cubasesx@f...> wrote:

> I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it fatally 
> flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell it would 
> save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI were 
> fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the report to the 
> author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed that it 
> had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I would 
> have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts its been 
> several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes it more 
> frustrating. 
> 
> :(
> 
> FT
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The software is 
> letting
> > down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support and 
> customer
> > service...
> > 
> > $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a product if 
> not as
> > exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
> > 
> > Richard
> >

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:41:36PM -0400, Simon Leclerc wrote:
> Could the persons who have problems with the
> Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
> I can't work with it this week.

i use the macOSX editor.

-- 
yours,
niall.
.. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .                 .
aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around silence.
.. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.pgp .. ..

And are you having the problems
with the Editors. Bugs ?

On 12-Jul-04, at 1:06 PM, niall munnelly wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:41:36PM -0400, Simon Leclerc wrote:
>> Could the persons who have problems with the
>> Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
>> I can't work with it this week.
>
> i use the macOSX editor.
>
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .               
>   .
> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around 
> silence.
> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.pgp .. ..
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I still love it because it works without probs on my system, has a lots of
useful features and saves a lot of time, especially when programming the
stepsequencers.

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


> Damn it. I just bought it last week based
> on some of the comments on this site a few week s
> ago. I still haven't tried it yet but 50$ is a lot
> for me the days. How come everyone seemed
> to love it last month and now it's carap ?
>
> Thinking of asking for my money :(
>
> On 12-Jul-04, at 12:02 PM, dodgingrain wrote:
>
> > I'd have to agree.  The author has been non-responsive to my 1
> > question and the software isn't that good anyway.
> >
> > What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the
> > various parameters when your getting started.  Once your familiar
> > with the synth then dump the software editor.
> >
> > Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then
> > it might be worth the $$.
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> > <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> >> gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer
> > never
> >> answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on
> > it... and
> >> i never use it.
> >>
> >> It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret
> > spending $50
> >> on what still is essentially a beta.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@c...>
> >> Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> > generator?)
> >>
> >>> But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in
> > my
> >> experience
> >>> almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
> > months
> >> waiting
> >>> for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the
> > developer to
> >>> trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to
> > the PC
> >> Each
> >>> time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he
> > drops the ball
> >> :(
> >>> You're probably better off saving your money.
> >>>
> >>> Elby
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Mac or PC ?

On 12-Jul-04, at 2:57 PM, trippler@... wrote:

> I still love it because it works without probs on my system, has a  
> lots of
> useful features and saves a lot of time, especially when programming  
> the
> stepsequencers.
>
> Stefan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch  
> generator?)
>
>
>> Damn it. I just bought it last week based
>> on some of the comments on this site a few week s
>> ago. I still haven't tried it yet but 50$ is a lot
>> for me the days. How come everyone seemed
>> to love it last month and now it's carap ?
>>
>> Thinking of asking for my money :(
>>
>> On 12-Jul-04, at 12:02 PM, dodgingrain wrote:
>>
>>> I'd have to agree.  The author has been non-responsive to my 1
>>> question and the software isn't that good anyway.
>>>
>>> What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the
>>> various parameters when your getting started.  Once your familiar
>>> with the synth then dump the software editor.
>>>
>>> Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then
>>> it might be worth the $$.
>>>
>>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
>>> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
>>>> gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer
>>> never
>>>> answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on
>>> it... and
>>>> i never use it.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret
>>> spending $50
>>>> on what still is essentially a beta.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@c...>
>>>> Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
>>> generator?)
>>>>
>>>>> But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in
>>> my
>>>> experience
>>>>> almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
>>> months
>>>> waiting
>>>>> for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the
>>> developer to
>>>>> trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to
>>> the PC
>>>> Each
>>>>> time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he
>>> drops the ball
>>>> :(
>>>>> You're probably better off saving your money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elby
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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I have the PC version.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


> Mac or PC ?
>
>
> On 12-Jul-04, at 2:57 PM, trippler@... wrote:
>
> > I still love it because it works without probs on my system, has a
> > lots of
> > useful features and saves a lot of time, especially when programming
> > the
> > stepsequencers.
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@...>
> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> > generator?)
> >
> >
> >> Damn it. I just bought it last week based
> >> on some of the comments on this site a few week s
> >> ago. I still haven't tried it yet but 50$ is a lot
> >> for me the days. How come everyone seemed
> >> to love it last month and now it's carap ?
> >>
> >> Thinking of asking for my money :(
> >>
> >> On 12-Jul-04, at 12:02 PM, dodgingrain wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'd have to agree.  The author has been non-responsive to my 1
> >>> question and the software isn't that good anyway.
> >>>
> >>> What the software is best at is giving you a good feel for all the
> >>> various parameters when your getting started.  Once your familiar
> >>> with the synth then dump the software editor.
> >>>
> >>> Not at all worth the asking price, should have cost about $15 then
> >>> it might be worth the $$.
> >>>
> >>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> >>> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> >>>> gotta say I liked the PC software at first but as the developer
> >>> never
> >>>> answered my questions or replied to my emails I kind of gave up on
> >>> it... and
> >>>> i never use it.
> >>>>
> >>>> It doesn't feel finished at this moment and I certainly regret
> >>> spending $50
> >>>> on what still is essentially a beta.
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Mountain Man" <mtman@c...>
> >>>> Subject: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> >>> generator?)
> >>>>
> >>>>> But try before you buy.  The software is extremely buggy, and in
> >>> my
> >>>> experience
> >>>>> almost useless.  It's been gathering dust inside my computer for
> >>> months
> >>>> waiting
> >>>>> for me to get up the umpth for a THIRD try at getting the
> >>> developer to
> >>>>> trouble-shoot why it won't dump patch data from the evolver to
> >>> the PC
> >>>> Each
> >>>>> time, I get a brief flurry of trouble-shooting, and then he
> >>> drops the ball
> >>>> :(
> >>>>> You're probably better off saving your money.
> >>>>>
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> Damn it. I just bought it last week based on some of the 
> comments on this site a few week s ago. I still haven't tried 
> it yet but 50$ is a lot for me the days. How come everyone 
> seemed to love it last month and now it's carap ?
> 
> Thinking of asking for my money :(
> 


I personally love the PC version.  I've never had any problems.  It works
like it should for me.  I think people should mention which version (MAC/PC)
they are using b/c it appears the MAC version is a bit buggy. Also realize,
you're more likely to hear complaints about something than you are to hear
accolades, simply b/c the people that are happy aren't usually posting about
it.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@t...> 
wrote:
I'm using the editor too on PC. I don't think it's that buggy, just 
that there are lots of unexpected quirks that are glossed over in 
the manual. Took me a while to get used to the patch management, and 
I have a bad habit of using the software AND tweaking the Evo's 
knobs, so have to make sure they are on the same page.         



> > Damn it. I just bought it last week based on some of the 
> > comments on this site a few week s ago. I still haven't tried 
> > it yet but 50$ is a lot for me the days. How come everyone 
> > seemed to love it last month and now it's carap ?
> > 
> > Thinking of asking for my money :(
> > 
> 
> 
> I personally love the PC version.  I've never had any problems.  
It works
> like it should for me.  I think people should mention which 
version (MAC/PC)
> they are using b/c it appears the MAC version is a bit buggy. Also 
realize,
> you're more likely to hear complaints about something than you are 
to hear
> accolades, simply b/c the people that are happy aren't usually 
posting about
> it.

I have the PC version - i wouldn't say it was buggy, I'd say it was unclear,
and unfinished. Mostly the roblem is that what is saved is not always what I
wanted to be saved. A manual would help... some expression of interest from
the developer in reply to direct questions would help even more

Richard

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


> Could the persons who have problems with the
> Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
> I can't work with it this week.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 12-Jul-04, at 12:35 PM, flametopuk wrote:
>
> > I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it fatally
> > flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell it would
> > save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI were
> > fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the report to the
> > author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed that it
> > had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I would
> > have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts its been
> > several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes it more
> > frustrating.
> >
> > :(
> >
> > FT
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> > <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> >> I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The software is
> > letting
> >> down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support and
> > customer
> >> service...
> >>
> >> $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a product if
> > not as
> >> exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Just in case...It took me a bit to realize that any edits made in 
the software aren't saved (in the Evolver Hardware) until you 
manually dump the patch or bank via transmit>midi>(patch,bank,etc).  
That's the only way I know to make sure my work was saved in the 
hardware (if I want it to be).     




--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
<richardscott@b...> wrote:
> I have the PC version - i wouldn't say it was buggy, I'd say it 
was unclear,
> and unfinished. Mostly the roblem is that what is saved is not 
always what I
> wanted to be saved. A manual would help... some expression of 
interest from
> the developer in reply to direct questions would help even more
> 
> Richard
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@v...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch 
generator?)
> 
> 
> > Could the persons who have problems with the
> > Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
> > I can't work with it this week.
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On 12-Jul-04, at 12:35 PM, flametopuk wrote:
> >
> > > I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it fatally
> > > flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell it 
would
> > > save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI 
were
> > > fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the report 
to the
> > > author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed 
that it
> > > had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I 
would
> > > have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts 
its been
> > > several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes 
it more
> > > frustrating.
> > >
> > > :(
> > >
> > > FT
> > >
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> > > <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > >> I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The 
software is
> > > letting
> > >> down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support 
and
> > > customer
> > >> service...
> > >>
> > >> $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a 
product if

> > > not as
> > >> exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
> > >>
> > >> Richard
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "rickyannotta" <
rickyannotta@y...> wrote:
> I'm using the editor too on PC. I don't think it's that buggy, just 
> that there are lots of unexpected quirks that are glossed over in 
> the manual.

You got a manual?  I purchased the Mac version which is not very 
intutive to use and didn't come with any sort of manual.  There have 
been previous threads about the editor's shortcomings which Dave 
should probably be pointed to as well.  I agree that the shoddiness of 
the editor unfortunately doesn't reflect well on the otherwise excellent 
service that Dave provides.

Usually I program a patch with editor and when I am finished I press "write"
on the Evolver. After that the patch is saved both in the soft- and in the
hardware. Would it make much sense if the editor would automatically save
every tweak, destroying the original patch ?
Some people might argue that there should be a popup window like "save patch
/ cancel" to prevent mistakes. I myself would be on edge by a function like
that because I often make temporary tweaks of a patch for a track record.

Has someone used a better editor yet ?

I have tried several for the Waldorf microQ. There isn't one withouth
serious flaws. Sounddiver Virus cost me one weekend until I caught the basic
library functions, it was more or less hazard if the midi connection between
Virus and Sounddiver worked.  The 3 editors for the Matrix 1000 that I
tested until now don't either work at all (one of them is the only prog that
manages to completely crash my WinXP) or you have to switch off every sense
of logic to create a patch with them.

Comprising: I think the soundtower editor for the Evolver is pretty good ;-)

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)


>
> Just in case...It took me a bit to realize that any edits made in
> the software aren't saved (in the Evolver Hardware) until you
> manually dump the patch or bank via transmit>midi>(patch,bank,etc).
> That's the only way I know to make sure my work was saved in the
> hardware (if I want it to be).
>
>
>
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > I have the PC version - i wouldn't say it was buggy, I'd say it
> was unclear,
> > and unfinished. Mostly the roblem is that what is saved is not
> always what I
> > wanted to be saved. A manual would help... some expression of
> interest from
> > the developer in reply to direct questions would help even more
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@v...>
> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> generator?)
> >
> >
> > > Could the persons who have problems with the
> > > Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
> > > I can't work with it this week.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot,
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12-Jul-04, at 12:35 PM, flametopuk wrote:
> > >
> > > > I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it fatally
> > > > flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell it
> would
> > > > save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI
> were
> > > > fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the report
> to the
> > > > author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed
> that it
> > > > had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I
> would
> > > > have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts
> its been
> > > > several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes
> it more
> > > > frustrating.
> > > >
> > > > :(
> > > >
> > > > FT
> > > >
> > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> > > > <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > > >> I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The
> software is
> > > > letting
> > > >> down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support
> and
> > > > customer
> > > >> service...
> > > >>
> > > >> $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a
> product if
> > > > not as
> > > >> exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard
> > > >>
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Just got back to "online"...
I'm not able to bring *anything* into the Windows-Evolver-Editor from 
the Evolver- no dump, no program, no banks!!!

The editors' author has blamed my windows 2000 security or some such 
bs...lol.
I'm glad (well, relieved) to hear that someone else has this problem, 
because I thought my Evolver was wack.

I haven't used the editor since the first week I bought it (8 months 
or so ago).

Stephan, beautiful stuff.

Chris

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, trippler@t... wrote:
> Usually I program a patch with editor and when I am finished I 
press "write"
> on the Evolver. After that the patch is saved both in the soft- and 
in the
> hardware. Would it make much sense if the editor would 
automatically save
> every tweak, destroying the original patch ?
> Some people might argue that there should be a popup window 
like "save patch
> / cancel" to prevent mistakes. I myself would be on edge by a 
function like
> that because I often make temporary tweaks of a patch for a track 
record.
> 
> Has someone used a better editor yet ?
> 
> I have tried several for the Waldorf microQ. There isn't one 
withouth
> serious flaws. Sounddiver Virus cost me one weekend until I caught 
the basic
> library functions, it was more or less hazard if the midi 
connection between
> Virus and Sounddiver worked.  The 3 editors for the Matrix 1000 
that I
> tested until now don't either work at all (one of them is the only 
prog that
> manages to completely crash my WinXP) or you have to switch off 
every sense
> of logic to create a patch with them.
> 
> Comprising: I think the soundtower editor for the Evolver is pretty 
good ;-)
> 
> Stefan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@y...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch 
generator?)
> 
> 
> >
> > Just in case...It took me a bit to realize that any edits made in
> > the software aren't saved (in the Evolver Hardware) until you
> > manually dump the patch or bank via transmit>midi>
(patch,bank,etc).
> > That's the only way I know to make sure my work was saved in the
> > hardware (if I want it to be).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> > <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > > I have the PC version - i wouldn't say it was buggy, I'd say it
> > was unclear,
> > > and unfinished. Mostly the roblem is that what is saved is not
> > always what I
> > > wanted to be saved. A manual would help... some expression of
> > interest from
> > > the developer in reply to direct questions would help even more
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Simon Leclerc" <Simonvolt@v...>
> > > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> > generator?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Could the persons who have problems with the
> > > > Editor tell me if you have the MACOSX version.
> > > > I can't work with it this week.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot,
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12-Jul-04, at 12:35 PM, flametopuk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I too had a bad experience with the editor. I found it 
fatally
> > > > > flawed concerning the edit buffer mangement (in a nutshell 
it
> > would
> > > > > save the old patch buffer not your newly edited buffer). DSI
> > were
> > > > > fast to reply to my tech enquiry but simply passed the 
report
> > to the
> > > > > author of the editor. He did respond quickly and confirmed
> > that it
> > > > > had never worked. However thats the last I heard. For $50 I
> > would
> > > > > have expected a bug fix to be pretty swiftly released, buts
> > its been
> > > > > several months so far. Shame. Its almost usable, which makes
> > it more
> > > > > frustrating.
> > > > >
> > > > > :(
> > > > >
> > > > > FT
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> > > > > <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> > > > >> I think Dave Smith needs to be made aware of this. The
> > software is
> > > > > letting
> > > > >> down an otherwise impeccable repuation for quality, support
> > and
> > > > > customer
> > > > >> service...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> $50 is a lot for a mere editor and for that we expect a
> > product if
> > > > > not as
> > > > >> exciting as the evolver itself, then at least adequate
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Richard
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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