Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: [Evolver] RE: sucktower !!!


> Same expierience with Soundtower over here!
> This company is crap (but i don't think it is a real company, more a
> one man fake)!
> Also had the editor for MW and now for the poly-evo and the eVo.
> I had some questions in the past, but NEVER!!! gat any answer from them.
> When i recieved my poly last month, i wanted to register and get the
> returncode to set the software from demo into registered mode. In this
> case, soundtowers webpage put me allways thru to the shop from
> D.Smith!!! Unbelievable! I mailed them. No answer. I mailed Dave and
> recieved the software for both included the codes!
> So, what's up Soundtower?
> I think that Dave SMith's Intsruments are high class and that he
> should not work with Soundtower together anymore. Well, bad, i know,
> we will loose the editor (i paid also for the Evo-Version), but maybe
> they can find another, better solution for this.
> Sorry to say this so directly!
> Stefan
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr julian" <jujulilianan@w...> wrote:
> >
> > I've totally given up on soundtower now.....
> >
> > They win the prize for buggiest piece of software I have ever paid money
> > for, and worst customer service ever.
> >
> > I bought the microwave (one) editor from soundtower over 2 years
> ago, and
> > discovered a whole pile of bugs and just plain missing
> functionality. I got
> > a few emails out of him, but when it became obvious that I *was*
> actually
> > right about the software's problems, he just stopped emailing me
> about it.
> >
> > When he appeared on this list a few months ago with a big fanfare
> about how
> > he was going to fix all the mac editor bugs (has anyone actually seen an
> > upgrade yet?) I sent him another email, with a proper buglist for the
> > microwave 1 editor program, of things I'd been noting down while
> trying to
> > use it. I got a single reply where he seemed to be confused,
> thinking it was
> > about the micro-Q editor they sell (how many times do you have to write
> > MICROWAVE I in order to get someone to read it, eh?) then when I sent a
> > reply detailing exactkly what synth it was, and attaching the
> buglist again,
> > I never got any reply.
> >
> > Had he found some way to actually bugfix this (barely beta level) bit of
> > software I would have gone on and bought the XT editor, as well as the
> > evolver editor.. but as it is, I absolutely categorically refuse to ever
> > waste my money buying anything from soundtower ever again. And I'm
> going to
> > be making pretty much exactly this same post any time anyone asks on the
> > internet about this company, because in my experience, people should at
> > least know about the lack of completeness and lack of support to
> expect from
> > this company before forking out hard earned dollars to someone who
> seriously
> > just doesn't care.
> >
> > Anyway, good luck to all the people who do have a working evolver
> editor....
> > It would be handy to have an editor and librarian for my evolver...... I
> > really wish there was one I could buy...
> >
> >
> >
> > julian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "z_flash_ram" <z_flash_ram@y...>
> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch generator?)
> >
> >
> > > Just got back to "online"...
> > > I'm not able to bring *anything* into the Windows-Evolver-Editor from
> > > the Evolver- no dump, no program, no banks!!!
> > >
> > > The editors' author has blamed my windows 2000 security or some such
> > > bs...lol.
> > > I'm glad (well, relieved) to hear that someone else has this problem,
> > > because I thought my Evolver was wack.
> > >
> > > I haven't used the editor since the first week I bought it (8 months
> > > or so ago).
> > >
> > > Stephan, beautiful stuff.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
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> > > > or so ago).
> > > > Stephan, beautiful stuff.
> > > > Chris

On 6-Aug-04, at 11:32 AM, dodgingrain wrote:

> I agree as well, I bought the one for the evolver and wish I had
> not.  Very poor quality, poor interface, and absolutely no support
> for any issues that come up.  I also assumed that the version that
> comes with the poly would properly handle chained
> evolvers/polyevolvers and it doesn't.
>
> I complained to dave about it when I got the poly, about having to
> wait for registration to go through, lack of response from
> soundtower, etc.  I think if we don't speak up to dave he may not
> know there are real issues with soundtower and their lack of quality.
>
> I think it's one of the few blemishes in regards to the
> evolver/polyevolver.  To bad there isn't a decent alternative at
> this point.
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
>> I agree with Stefan, its a real shame but like many I am just not
> using the
>> editor (PC) and regret buying it
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...>
>> Subject: [Evolver] RE: sucktower !!!
>>
>>
>>> Same expierience with Soundtower over here!
>>> This company is crap (but i don't think it is a real company,
> more a
>>> one man fake)!
>>> Also had the editor for MW and now for the poly-evo and the eVo.
>>> I had some questions in the past, but NEVER!!! gat any answer
> from them.
>>> When i recieved my poly last month, i wanted to register and get
> the
>>> returncode to set the software from demo into registered mode.
> In this
>>> case, soundtowers webpage put me allways thru to the shop from
>>> D.Smith!!! Unbelievable! I mailed them. No answer. I mailed Dave
> and
>>> recieved the software for both included the codes!
>>> So, what's up Soundtower?
>>> I think that Dave SMith's Intsruments are high class and that he
>>> should not work with Soundtower together anymore. Well, bad, i
> know,
>>> we will loose the editor (i paid also for the Evo-Version), but
> maybe
>>> they can find another, better solution for this.
>>> Sorry to say this so directly!
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr julian"
> <jujulilianan@w...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've totally given up on soundtower now.....
>>>>
>>>> They win the prize for buggiest piece of software I have ever
> paid money
>>>> for, and worst customer service ever.
>>>>
>>>> I bought the microwave (one) editor from soundtower over 2
> years
>>> ago, and
>>>> discovered a whole pile of bugs and just plain missing
>>> functionality. I got
>>>> a few emails out of him, but when it became obvious that I
> *was*
>>> actually
>>>> right about the software's problems, he just stopped emailing
> me
>>> about it.
>>>> When he appeared on this list a few months ago with a big
> fanfare
>>> about how
>>>> he was going to fix all the mac editor bugs (has anyone
> actually seen an
>>>> upgrade yet?) I sent him another email, with a proper buglist
> for the
>>>> microwave 1 editor program, of things I'd been noting down
> while
>>> trying to
>>>> use it. I got a single reply where he seemed to be confused,
>>> thinking it was
>>>> about the micro-Q editor they sell (how many times do you have
> to write
>>>> MICROWAVE I in order to get someone to read it, eh?) then when
> I sent a
>>>> reply detailing exactkly what synth it was, and attaching the
>>> buglist again,
>>>> I never got any reply.
>>>>
>>>> Had he found some way to actually bugfix this (barely beta
> level) bit of
>>>> software I would have gone on and bought the XT editor, as
> well as the
>>>> evolver editor.. but as it is, I absolutely categorically
> refuse to ever
>>>> waste my money buying anything from soundtower ever again. And
> I'm
>>> going to
>>>> be making pretty much exactly this same post any time anyone
> asks on the
>>>> internet about this company, because in my experience, people
> should at
>>>> least know about the lack of completeness and lack of support
> to
>>> expect from
>>>> this company before forking out hard earned dollars to someone
> who
>>> seriously
>>>> just doesn't care.
>>>> Anyway, good luck to all the people who do have a working
> evolver
>>> editor....
>>>> It would be handy to have an editor and librarian for my
> evolver...... I
>>>> really wish there was one I could buy...
>>>> julian
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "z_flash_ram" <z_flash_ram@y...>
>>>> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> generator?)
>>>>> Just got back to "online"...
>>>>> I'm not able to bring *anything* into the Windows-Evolver-
> Editor from
>>>>> the Evolver- no dump, no program, no banks!!!
>>>>> The editors' author has blamed my windows 2000 security or
> some such
>>>>> bs...lol.
>>>>> I'm glad (well, relieved) to hear that someone else has this
> problem,
>>>>> because I thought my Evolver was wack.
>>>>> I haven't used the editor since the first week I bought it
> (8 months
>>>>> or so ago).
>>>>> Stephan, beautiful stuff.
>>>>> Chris
>
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On 6-Aug-04, at 2:04 PM, Simon Leclerc wrote:

> What i'd like to know is who recommended this
> peace of crap when i asked if we should buy it or not.
> I remember at least 3 jubilatory comments telling
> this forum how great this software is.
> What the hell happened ?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On 6-Aug-04, at 11:32 AM, dodgingrain wrote:
>
>> I agree as well, I bought the one for the evolver and wish I had
>> not.  Very poor quality, poor interface, and absolutely no support
>> for any issues that come up.  I also assumed that the version that
>> comes with the poly would properly handle chained
>> evolvers/polyevolvers and it doesn't.
>>
>> I complained to dave about it when I got the poly, about having to
>> wait for registration to go through, lack of response from
>> soundtower, etc.  I think if we don't speak up to dave he may not
>> know there are real issues with soundtower and their lack of quality.
>>
>> I think it's one of the few blemishes in regards to the
>> evolver/polyevolver.  To bad there isn't a decent alternative at
>> this point.
>>
>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
>> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
>>> I agree with Stefan, its a real shame but like many I am just not
>> using the
>>> editor (PC) and regret buying it
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...>
>>> Subject: [Evolver] RE: sucktower !!!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Same expierience with Soundtower over here!
>>>> This company is crap (but i don't think it is a real company,
>> more a
>>>> one man fake)!
>>>> Also had the editor for MW and now for the poly-evo and the eVo.
>>>> I had some questions in the past, but NEVER!!! gat any answer
>> from them.
>>>> When i recieved my poly last month, i wanted to register and get
>> the
>>>> returncode to set the software from demo into registered mode.
>> In this
>>>> case, soundtowers webpage put me allways thru to the shop from
>>>> D.Smith!!! Unbelievable! I mailed them. No answer. I mailed Dave
>> and
>>>> recieved the software for both included the codes!
>>>> So, what's up Soundtower?
>>>> I think that Dave SMith's Intsruments are high class and that he
>>>> should not work with Soundtower together anymore. Well, bad, i
>> know,
>>>> we will loose the editor (i paid also for the Evo-Version), but
>> maybe
>>>> they can find another, better solution for this.
>>>> Sorry to say this so directly!
>>>> Stefan
>>>>
>>>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr julian"
>> <jujulilianan@w...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've totally given up on soundtower now.....
>>>>>
>>>>> They win the prize for buggiest piece of software I have ever
>> paid money
>>>>> for, and worst customer service ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought the microwave (one) editor from soundtower over 2
>> years
>>>> ago, and
>>>>> discovered a whole pile of bugs and just plain missing
>>>> functionality. I got
>>>>> a few emails out of him, but when it became obvious that I
>> *was*
>>>> actually
>>>>> right about the software's problems, he just stopped emailing
>> me
>>>> about it.
>>>>> When he appeared on this list a few months ago with a big
>> fanfare
>>>> about how
>>>>> he was going to fix all the mac editor bugs (has anyone
>> actually seen an
>>>>> upgrade yet?) I sent him another email, with a proper buglist
>> for the
>>>>> microwave 1 editor program, of things I'd been noting down
>> while
>>>> trying to
>>>>> use it. I got a single reply where he seemed to be confused,
>>>> thinking it was
>>>>> about the micro-Q editor they sell (how many times do you have
>> to write
>>>>> MICROWAVE I in order to get someone to read it, eh?) then when
>> I sent a
>>>>> reply detailing exactkly what synth it was, and attaching the
>>>> buglist again,
>>>>> I never got any reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Had he found some way to actually bugfix this (barely beta
>> level) bit of
>>>>> software I would have gone on and bought the XT editor, as
>> well as the
>>>>> evolver editor.. but as it is, I absolutely categorically
>> refuse to ever
>>>>> waste my money buying anything from soundtower ever again. And
>> I'm
>>>> going to
>>>>> be making pretty much exactly this same post any time anyone
>> asks on the
>>>>> internet about this company, because in my experience, people
>> should at
>>>>> least know about the lack of completeness and lack of support
>> to
>>>> expect from
>>>>> this company before forking out hard earned dollars to someone
>> who
>>>> seriously
>>>>> just doesn't care.
>>>>> Anyway, good luck to all the people who do have a working
>> evolver
>>>> editor....
>>>>> It would be handy to have an editor and librarian for my
>> evolver...... I
>>>>> really wish there was one I could buy...
>>>>> julian
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "z_flash_ram" <z_flash_ram@y...>
>>>>> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:58 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
>> generator?)
>>>>>> Just got back to "online"...
>>>>>> I'm not able to bring *anything* into the Windows-Evolver-
>> Editor from
>>>>>> the Evolver- no dump, no program, no banks!!!
>>>>>> The editors' author has blamed my windows 2000 security or
>> some such
>>>>>> bs...lol.
>>>>>> I'm glad (well, relieved) to hear that someone else has this
>> problem,
>>>>>> because I thought my Evolver was wack.
>>>>>> I haven't used the editor since the first week I bought it
>> (8 months
>>>>>> or so ago).
>>>>>> Stephan, beautiful stuff.
>>>>>> Chris
>>
>>
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On 6-Aug-04, at 7:37 PM, Robert Krueger wrote:

>
>
> They're making tunes and using their editor instead of posting here.
> Frankly, I'm done with the whole thread.  The Software works well for 
> me.
> I've said my piece before, I just don't care enough to go on about it
> anymore.
>
> ]-----Original Message-----
> ]From: Simon Leclerc [mailto:Simonvolt@...]
> ]Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:04 PM
> ]To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> ]Subject: Re: [Evolver] RE: sucktower !!!
> ]
> ]What i'd like to know is who recommended this peace of crap
> ]when i asked if we should buy it or not.
> ]I remember at least 3 jubilatory comments telling this forum
> ]how great this software is.
> ]What the hell happened ?
> ]
> ]Simon
> ]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Leclerc [mailto:Simonvolt@...]
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] RE: sucktower !!!
> 
> I get it now, the answer is: PC users.
> But i'm running Mac OSX on a
> Powerbook and ALL my softwares are working fine.
> I just have problems with PolyEvolver.
> 
> So is Soundtower working on an OS upgrade ?
> 
> 
> On 6-Aug-04, at 2:04 PM, Simon Leclerc wrote:
> 
> > What i'd like to know is who recommended this
> > peace of crap when i asked if we should buy it or not.
> > I remember at least 3 jubilatory comments telling
> > this forum how great this software is.
> > What the hell happened ?
> >
> > Simon
> > On 6-Aug-04, at 11:32 AM, dodgingrain wrote:
> >
> >> I agree as well, I bought the one for the evolver and wish I had
> >> not.  Very poor quality, poor interface, and absolutely no support
> >> for any issues that come up.  I also assumed that the version that
> >> comes with the poly would properly handle chained
> >> evolvers/polyevolvers and it doesn't.
> >>
> >> I complained to dave about it when I got the poly, about having to
> >> wait for registration to go through, lack of response from
> >> soundtower, etc.  I think if we don't speak up to dave he may not
> >> know there are real issues with soundtower and their lack 
> of quality.
> >>
> >> I think it's one of the few blemishes in regards to the
> >> evolver/polyevolver.  To bad there isn't a decent alternative at
> >> this point.
> >>
> >> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
> >> <richardscott@b...> wrote:
> >>> I agree with Stefan, its a real shame but like many I am just not
> >> using the
> >>> editor (PC) and regret buying it
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...>
> >>> Subject: [Evolver] RE: sucktower !!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Same expierience with Soundtower over here!
> >>>> This company is crap (but i don't think it is a real company,
> >> more a
> >>>> one man fake)!
> >>>> Also had the editor for MW and now for the poly-evo and the eVo.
> >>>> I had some questions in the past, but NEVER!!! gat any answer
> >> from them.
> >>>> When i recieved my poly last month, i wanted to register and get
> >> the
> >>>> returncode to set the software from demo into registered mode.
> >> In this
> >>>> case, soundtowers webpage put me allways thru to the shop from
> >>>> D.Smith!!! Unbelievable! I mailed them. No answer. I mailed Dave
> >> and
> >>>> recieved the software for both included the codes!
> >>>> So, what's up Soundtower?
> >>>> I think that Dave SMith's Intsruments are high class and that he
> >>>> should not work with Soundtower together anymore. Well, bad, i
> >> know,
> >>>> we will loose the editor (i paid also for the Evo-Version), but
> >> maybe
> >>>> they can find another, better solution for this.
> >>>> Sorry to say this so directly!
> >>>> Stefan
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr julian"
> >> <jujulilianan@w...> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've totally given up on soundtower now.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They win the prize for buggiest piece of software I have ever
> >> paid money
> >>>>> for, and worst customer service ever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I bought the microwave (one) editor from soundtower over 2
> >> years
> >>>> ago, and
> >>>>> discovered a whole pile of bugs and just plain missing
> >>>> functionality. I got
> >>>>> a few emails out of him, but when it became obvious that I
> >> *was*
> >>>> actually
> >>>>> right about the software's problems, he just stopped emailing
> >> me
> >>>> about it.
> >>>>> When he appeared on this list a few months ago with a big
> >> fanfare
> >>>> about how
> >>>>> he was going to fix all the mac editor bugs (has anyone
> >> actually seen an
> >>>>> upgrade yet?) I sent him another email, with a proper buglist
> >> for the
> >>>>> microwave 1 editor program, of things I'd been noting down
> >> while
> >>>> trying to
> >>>>> use it. I got a single reply where he seemed to be confused,
> >>>> thinking it was
> >>>>> about the micro-Q editor they sell (how many times do you have
> >> to write
> >>>>> MICROWAVE I in order to get someone to read it, eh?) then when
> >> I sent a
> >>>>> reply detailing exactkly what synth it was, and attaching the
> >>>> buglist again,
> >>>>> I never got any reply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Had he found some way to actually bugfix this (barely beta
> >> level) bit of
> >>>>> software I would have gone on and bought the XT editor, as
> >> well as the
> >>>>> evolver editor.. but as it is, I absolutely categorically
> >> refuse to ever
> >>>>> waste my money buying anything from soundtower ever again. And
> >> I'm
> >>>> going to
> >>>>> be making pretty much exactly this same post any time anyone
> >> asks on the
> >>>>> internet about this company, because in my experience, people
> >> should at
> >>>>> least know about the lack of completeness and lack of support
> >> to
> >>>> expect from
> >>>>> this company before forking out hard earned dollars to someone
> >> who
> >>>> seriously
> >>>>> just doesn't care.
> >>>>> Anyway, good luck to all the people who do have a working
> >> evolver
> >>>> editor....
> >>>>> It would be handy to have an editor and librarian for my
> >> evolver...... I
> >>>>> really wish there was one I could buy...
> >>>>> julian
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "z_flash_ram" <z_flash_ram@y...>
> >>>>> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:58 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Editor (was RE: Evolver/ random patch
> >> generator?)
> >>>>>> Just got back to "online"...
> >>>>>> I'm not able to bring *anything* into the Windows-Evolver-
> >> Editor from
> >>>>>> the Evolver- no dump, no program, no banks!!!
> >>>>>> The editors' author has blamed my windows 2000 security or
> >> some such
> >>>>>> bs...lol.
> >>>>>> I'm glad (well, relieved) to hear that someone else has this
> >> problem,
> >>>>>> because I thought my Evolver was wack.
> >>>>>> I haven't used the editor since the first week I bought it
> >> (8 months
> >>>>>> or so ago).
> >>>>>> Stephan, beautiful stuff.
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>
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> Howdy, apologies if youve had this before but is there a free editor
> for evolver desktop? All i want to do is upload and download patches
> for backup etc. Can I use midiox for this and if so how? Dont really
> want to spend $50 on soundtower for something i will only be using to
> this level (and that doesnt make an noise!). 
> Any ideas let me know, cheers
>

> > this level (and that doesnt make an noise!). 
> > Any ideas let me know, cheers
> >
>