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2004-10-15 by rickyannotta
Hi All! On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to get the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster attack by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for this purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Rick
2004-10-15 by Alex
Hi Rick, There won’t be a way of making them faster - but you could try using the 3rd env to add some res to the filter right at the very begining of the sound using a very quick decay to get a more defined attack phase, which will make it sound ‘punchier’. (or a tiny burst of noise, or an extra bit of one osc etc.). It will only take a small bit of something (a transient) to make it sound more defined - like the ‘click’ at the begining of a bass drum will define the sounds position in time. a.
> >Hi All! >On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to get >the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster attack >by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I >seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for this >purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help would be >appreciated! >Thanks, >Rick
2004-10-15 by trippler@t-online.de
Hi Rick, The Evolvers attack is imho the fastest of all synths that I have. I don't think that the impression of a too slow attack with several sounds is caused by the envelope itself. If you feel that the attack phase of a sound isn't emphasized enough you might try to change the envelope amounts on the corresponding modulation destination. Regards Stefan ----- Original Message -----
From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@...> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: [Evolver] Faster Attack > > > Hi All! > On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to get > the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster attack > by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I > seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for this > purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help would be > appreciated! > Thanks, > Rick > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
2004-10-15 by rickyannotta
Maybe I used the wrong choice of words. I think I'm trying to achieve a fat 'gated' bass attack sound. The Evo can make the sounds, but I can't seem to get them to 'jump out' they way I want them to. Also as far as programming skills go (or lack of), I have good understanding of Envelopes and Modulation, just not exactly how everything works together in practice. Not enough time spent fooling with everything I guess. If you have more insight, please let me know! Thanks, Rick --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, trippler@t... wrote: > Hi Rick, > > The Evolvers attack is imho the fastest of all synths that I have. > I don't think that the impression of a too slow attack with several sounds > is caused by the envelope itself. If you feel that the attack phase of a > sound isn't emphasized enough you might try to change the envelope amounts > on the corresponding modulation destination. > > Regards > Stefan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@y...> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:11 PM > Subject: [Evolver] Faster Attack > > > > > > > > Hi All! > > On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to get > > the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster attack > > by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I > > seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for this > > purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help would be > > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >
2004-10-15 by Robert Krueger
Why not do just that, gate it in. Use your sequencer or a sampler with a faster attack/gate to gate in the evolver output.
-----Original Message----- From: rickyannotta [mailto:rickyannotta@...] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:46 PM To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Evolver] Faster Attack Maybe I used the wrong choice of words. I think I'm trying to achieve a fat 'gated' bass attack sound. The Evo can make the sounds, but I can't seem to get them to 'jump out' they way I want them to. Also as far as programming skills go (or lack of), I have good understanding of Envelopes and Modulation, just not exactly how everything works together in practice. Not enough time spent fooling with everything I guess. If you have more insight, please let me know! Thanks, Rick --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, trippler@t... wrote: > Hi Rick, > > The Evolvers attack is imho the fastest of all synths that I have. > I don't think that the impression of a too slow attack with several sounds > is caused by the envelope itself. If you feel that the attack phase of a > sound isn't emphasized enough you might try to change the envelope amounts > on the corresponding modulation destination. > > Regards > Stefan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@y...> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:11 PM > Subject: [Evolver] Faster Attack > > > > > > > > Hi All! > > On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to get > > the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster attack > > by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I > > seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for this > > purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help would be > > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/QnLolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-10-15 by trippler@t-online.de
> Maybe I used the wrong choice of words. Me too maybe ;-) I just wanted to say that there's no way to make the Evolvers attack faster because it already is ultrafast. For basses a little pitch modulation during the AD stage can sometimes create additional punch. You could also try to emphasize the attack with high envelope amount, short decay and low sustain and then rasie the sustain again with the 3rd envelope with longer attack, creating a kind of notch between attack and sustain stage. Use only one oscillator to avoid volume fluctuation from different osc phases or sync the oscs. If you want to have a constant osc phase you should use the digital oscs instead of the free running analogues. You can use the 3rd envelope with zero attack and short decay to create additional punch. Any mod destination that creates upper frequencies like pitch, FM, RingMod, resonance, noise, or distortion can help. btw: I don't have much insight, but always try and experiment ;-) Regards Stefan ----- Original Message -----
From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@...> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Evolver] Faster Attack > > Maybe I used the wrong choice of words. I think I'm trying to > achieve a fat 'gated' bass attack sound. The Evo can make the > sounds, but I can't seem to get them to 'jump out' they way I want > them to. Also as far as programming skills go (or lack of), I have > good understanding of Envelopes and Modulation, just not exactly how > everything works together in practice. Not enough time spent fooling > with everything I guess. If you have more insight, please let me > know! > > Thanks, > Rick > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, trippler@t... wrote: >> Hi Rick, >> >> The Evolvers attack is imho the fastest of all synths that I have. >> I don't think that the impression of a too slow attack with > several sounds >> is caused by the envelope itself. If you feel that the attack > phase of a >> sound isn't emphasized enough you might try to change the envelope > amounts >> on the corresponding modulation destination. >> >> Regards >> Stefan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@y...> >> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:11 PM >> Subject: [Evolver] Faster Attack >> >> >> > >> > >> > Hi All! >> > On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to > get >> > the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster > attack >> > by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I >> > seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for > this >> > purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help > would be >> > appreciated! >> > Thanks, >> > Rick >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> > ADVERTISEMENT >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ >> > >> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. >> > >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
2004-10-15 by rickyannotta
Some very good suggestions there to keep me busy for a while trippler. Thanks, ry --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, trippler@t... wrote: > > Maybe I used the wrong choice of words. > > Me too maybe ;-) I just wanted to say that there's no way to make the > Evolvers attack faster because it already is ultrafast. > > For basses a little pitch modulation during the AD stage can sometimes > create additional punch. > You could also try to emphasize the attack with high envelope amount, short > decay and low sustain and then rasie the sustain again with the 3rd envelope > with longer attack, creating a kind of notch between attack and sustain > stage. > Use only one oscillator to avoid volume fluctuation from different osc > phases or sync the oscs. If you want to have a constant osc phase you should > use the digital oscs instead of the free running analogues. > You can use the 3rd envelope with zero attack and short decay to create > additional punch. Any mod destination that creates upper frequencies like > pitch, FM, RingMod, resonance, noise, or distortion can help. > > btw: I don't have much insight, but always try and experiment ;-) > > Regards > Stefan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@y...> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Evolver] Faster Attack > > > > > > Maybe I used the wrong choice of words. I think I'm trying to > > achieve a fat 'gated' bass attack sound. The Evo can make the > > sounds, but I can't seem to get them to 'jump out' they way I want > > them to. Also as far as programming skills go (or lack of), I have > > good understanding of Envelopes and Modulation, just not exactly how > > everything works together in practice. Not enough time spent fooling > > with everything I guess. If you have more insight, please let me > > know! > > > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, trippler@t... wrote: > >> Hi Rick, > >> > >> The Evolvers attack is imho the fastest of all synths that I have. > >> I don't think that the impression of a too slow attack with > > several sounds > >> is caused by the envelope itself. If you feel that the attack > > phase of a > >> sound isn't emphasized enough you might try to change the envelope > > amounts > >> on the corresponding modulation destination. > >> > >> Regards > >> Stefan > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "rickyannotta" <rickyannotta@y...> > >> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:11 PM > >> Subject: [Evolver] Faster Attack > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi All! > >> > On certain Bass sounds I find the Evo's attack a little slow to > > get > >> > the punch I'm looking for. Is there a way to achieve a faster > > attack > >> > by utilizing Evolvers 3rd Envelope? If so, how do I set it up? I > >> > seem to remember someone mentioning using the 3rd envelope for > > this > >> > purpose. My programming skills are still basic so any help > > would be > >> > appreciated! > >> > Thanks, > >> > Rick > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >> > ADVERTISEMENT > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > --------------- > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ > >> > > >> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >> > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > > >> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >
2004-10-15 by pela_gius
It might be more of an issue with the way you have the decay and sustain set rather than the attack. If you lower the D & S portions of the envelope and bring up the overall volume to compensate you might get a "punchier" attack.