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Connecting headphones

Connecting headphones

2005-10-25 by colpaertpeter

Hello

Since I have the new manual now,there is no stopping in exploring the 
evolver.I'me sitting on the train for 1 hour (every day) and I want to 
use this time for digging into the evolver.Yes there are power supply's 
on the train  :-).Mostly I'me just playing with Reaktor on my laptop.
I want to connect a headphone on my evolver,I have a adaptor cable ,so 
I can put 2 jacks in the stereo outputs that go to one connection for a 
headphone.My brother tells me this will damage the evolver outputs.Does 
anybody knows about this?True or false,i don't know.

Thanx in advance

Re: Connecting headphones

2005-10-25 by daxe

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "colpaertpeter" 
<therealcolpaertpeter@h...> wrote:

> I want to connect a headphone on my evolver,I have a adaptor 
cable ,so 
> I can put 2 jacks in the stereo outputs that go to one connection 
for a 
> headphone.My brother tells me this will damage the evolver 
outputs.Does 
> anybody knows about this?True or false,i don't know.


Your brother is incorrect.  Get an adapter that takes the two mono 
1/4" outputs and combines them into a single stereo output and 
plug your stereo headphones right into it. It damages nothing.  You 
can get such an adapter at Radio Shack in the US for about $6.

I have done this myself.  Typically the line out of an instrument is 
not powerful enough to effectively drive headphones, but such is not 
the case with the Evo.  It's not really loud, but certainly loud 
enough to use headphones for portable tweaking.

~snakefooot

Re: [Evolver] Connecting headphones

2005-10-25 by Robert Krueger

colpaertpeter wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Since I have the new manual now,there is no stopping in exploring the 
> evolver.I'me sitting on the train for 1 hour (every day) and I want to 
> use this time for digging into the evolver.Yes there are power supply's 
> on the train  :-).Mostly I'me just playing with Reaktor on my laptop.
> I want to connect a headphone on my evolver,I have a adaptor cable ,so 
> I can put 2 jacks in the stereo outputs that go to one connection for a 
> headphone.My brother tells me this will damage the evolver outputs.Does 
> anybody knows about this?True or false,i don't know.
> 


I'd like to hear your brother's explanation as to why he thinks the 
outputs will be damaged.  What does he think is happening exactly.
There's no reason why you can't do this and there is nothing going on 
that would hurt your evolver in anyway.... unless your jacks are square 
or something :)

Re: Connecting headphones - consider a headphone amp

2005-10-26 by bcomnes

when I have to be quiet around others with the evolver but wanna be 
loud for me, I use a small battery powered headphone amp

check out www.electric-avenues.com or see his stuff as eBay seller 
grans-ar.....I normally don't like to pimp products, but I have these 
and use them with the EVO a lot

These are definitely a good unit, very small (half the size of an ipod) 
and will last 5-7 hours on a single battery recharge...definitely worth 
the $60 I paid for 'em

Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-10-27 by colpaertpeter

Ok,I phoned my brother,and asked him for some extra info,he was so 
kind to send me a text-Here it is;

Recapitulated,... 
A signal source with a typical Line-Out (pc soundcard,...), and a 
device with an input (e.g. headphones, cassette recorder,...). 

Assuming you connect a signal source to the input of your tape 
recorder.. The ideal situation would be that, the cassette recorder 
drains an absolute minimum amount of current from your signal source. 
The higher the impedance of the input (e.g. cassette recorder, 
headphones,...), the less your signal source will be loaded, and the 
less your signal will collapse. 

So, to keep things short, we have "input impedance" and "output 
impedance". You should apply the following: the input impedance must 
be at least a factor 10 higher, this to maintain an acceptable signal 
transfer (voltage may not collapse, due to high current drainage). 

Three main groups of headphones exist, being broadcast, professional 
or portable. 
Broadcast: 1500 - 2000 Ohm. They're ideal to monitor a signal source 
without loading it unduly and causing a drop in the level. 
Prof: 150 - 600ohms. E.g. the Sennheiser HD250. Note that the lower 
the impedance, the louder they will sound. 
Port:: around 24ohms. Why? Because portable equipment uses batteries, 
and so disposes of less voltage to drive a signal. The solution is to 
let it "deliver" more current to produce an acceptable signal. 

SO: If you really want to monitor a signal, without loading the line 
unduly (signal loss!), then you shouldn't save a few euros on a 
suitable type of phones. Anyhow, don't load a signal source more than 
needed. 



CONCERNING Amps and Speakers: 
That's another topic. Impedance of speakers should be same as 
impedance of Amp. This to avoid "reflection". Most vintage valve amps 
will self-destruct if driven without the correct speaker load. 

I rest my case 



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@t...> wrote:
>
> colpaertpeter wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > Since I have the new manual now,there is no stopping in exploring 
the 
> > evolver.I'me sitting on the train for 1 hour (every day) and I 
want to 
> > use this time for digging into the evolver.Yes there are power 
supply's 
> > on the train  :-).Mostly I'me just playing with Reaktor on my 
laptop.
> > I want to connect a headphone on my evolver,I have a adaptor 
cable ,so 
> > I can put 2 jacks in the stereo outputs that go to one connection 
for a 
> > headphone.My brother tells me this will damage the evolver 
outputs.Does 
> > anybody knows about this?True or false,i don't know.
> > 
> 
> 
> I'd like to hear your brother's explanation as to why he thinks the 
> outputs will be damaged.  What does he think is happening exactly.
> There's no reason why you can't do this and there is nothing going 
on 
> that would hurt your evolver in anyway.... unless your jacks are 
square 
> or something :)
>

Re: Connecting headphones

2005-10-27 by dyphase

I´m using Evolver in combination with "AKG 240 Monitor"-Headphones
(600 Ohms) without any problems since weeks.

Re: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-10-27 by Robert Krueger

colpaertpeter wrote:

> CONCERNING Amps and Speakers: 
> That's another topic. Impedance of speakers should be same as 
> impedance of Amp. This to avoid "reflection". Most vintage valve amps 
> will self-destruct if driven without the correct speaker load. 
> 
> I rest my case 


I'm totally with you on the above aspect, but I didn't get how you're 
going to possibly DAMAGE your Evolver outputs by plugging in a passive 
converter from two mono quarter inch connecters to a single stereo 
connector....  seems like we're talking about signal loss for that, 
which again shouldn't be "damaging"?

But I'm no engineer......

Re: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-10-27 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

I have plugged both cheap sony walkman/ipod headphones, expensive bang and olufson headphones and large AKG headphones into my evolver using an adapter directly into the outputs of the Evolver. Everything sounded good, my evolver and all headphones are fine. That's my case.
But you can certainly find a battery powered headphone amp and put that between if you want.
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Subject: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

Ok,I phoned my brother,and asked him for some extra info,he was so
kind to send me a text-Here it is;

Recapitulated,...
A signal source with a typical Line-Out (pc soundcard,...), and a
device with an input (e.g. headphones, cassette recorder,...).

Assuming you connect a signal source to the input of your tape
recorder.. The ideal situation would be that, the cassette recorder
drains an absolute minimum amount of current from your signal source.
The higher the impedance of the input (e.g. cassette recorder,
headphones,...), the less your signal source will be loaded, and the
less your signal will collapse.

So, to keep things short, we have "input impedance" and "output
impedance". You should apply the following: the input impedance must
be at least a factor 10 higher, this to maintain an acceptable signal
transfer (voltage may not collapse, due to high current drainage).

Three main groups of headphones exist, being broadcast, professional
or portable.
Broadcast: 1500 - 2000 Ohm. They're ideal to monitor a signal source
without loading it unduly and causing a drop in the level.
Prof: 150 - 600ohms. E.g. the Sennheiser HD250. Note that the lower
the impedance, the louder they will sound.
Port:: around 24ohms. Why? Because portable equipment uses batteries,
and so disposes of less voltage to drive a signal. The solution is to
let it "deliver" more current to produce an acceptable signal.

SO: If you really want to monitor a signal, without loading the line
unduly (signal loss!), then you shouldn't save a few euros on a
suitable type of phones. Anyhow, don't load a signal source more than
needed.



CONCERNING Amps and Speakers:
That's another topic. Impedance of speakers should be same as
impedance of Amp. This to avoid "reflection". Most vintage valve amps
will self-destruct if driven without the correct speaker load.

I rest my case



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger wrote:
>
> colpaertpeter wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Since I have the new manual now,there is no stopping in exploring
the
> > evolver.I'me sitting on the train for 1 hour (every day) and I
want to
> > use this time for digging into the evolver.Yes there are power
supply's
> > on the train :-).Mostly I'me just playing with Reaktor on my
laptop.
> > I want to connect a headphone on my evolver,I have a adaptor
cable ,so
> > I can put 2 jacks in the stereo outputs that go to one connection
for a
> > headphone.My brother tells me this will damage the evolver
outputs.Does
> > anybody knows about this?True or false,i don't know.
> >
>
>
> I'd like to hear your brother's explanation as to why he thinks the
> outputs will be damaged. What does he think is happening exactly.
> There's no reason why you can't do this and there is nothing going
on
> that would hurt your evolver in anyway.... unless your jacks are
square
> or something :)
>




Re: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-10-28 by Ben

I'm not sure but I guess he's refering to the law V=R.I .
V is the voltage issued by the evolver.
If R (impedance of the headphone) is decreasing towards 0, I is increasing.
At the limit I=0, you are doing a short-circuit, I is infinite.

Not knowing how the evolver is working internally and not beeing a 
electronical engineer, I'm not sure that V is constant and if a "infinite" 
current draw can damage the evolver, it's power supply, or the headphones.

Ben.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother


> colpaertpeter wrote:
>
>> CONCERNING Amps and Speakers:
>> That's another topic. Impedance of speakers should be same as
>> impedance of Amp. This to avoid "reflection". Most vintage valve amps
>> will self-destruct if driven without the correct speaker load.
>>
>> I rest my case
>
>
> I'm totally with you on the above aspect, but I didn't get how you're
> going to possibly DAMAGE your Evolver outputs by plugging in a passive
> converter from two mono quarter inch connecters to a single stereo
> connector....  seems like we're talking about signal loss for that,
> which again shouldn't be "damaging"?
>
> But I'm no engineer......
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> 


	

	
		
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Re: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-11-01 by Miles Bader

2005/10/27, colpaertpeter <therealcolpaertpeter@...>:
> Ok,I phoned my brother,and asked him for some extra info,he was so
> kind to send me a text-Here it is;

All a bit silly given that the guy who designed the Evolver has said
it's absolutely fine to use headphones on the outputs (and even
recommends doing so).

-miles
--
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-11-03 by colpaertpeter

Hey Miles

Where and when did he say this?

Greetz
Peter



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
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>
> 2005/10/27, colpaertpeter <therealcolpaertpeter@h...>:
> > Ok,I phoned my brother,and asked him for some extra info,he was so
> > kind to send me a text-Here it is;
> 
> All a bit silly given that the guy who designed the Evolver has said
> it's absolutely fine to use headphones on the outputs (and even
> recommends doing so).
> 
> -miles
> --
> Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
>

Re: [Evolver] Re: Connecting headphones-the comment of my brother

2005-11-03 by Miles Bader

2005/11/3, colpaertpeter <therealcolpaertpeter@...>:
> > All a bit silly given that the guy who designed the Evolver has said
> > it's absolutely fine to use headphones on the outputs (and even
> > recommends doing so).
>
> Where and when did he say this?

http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/support/FAQ.html

-miles
--
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

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