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MEK delay

MEK delay

2008-03-04 by dhamaryder

I've really come to appreciate the delay part of my MEK. Does anyone know of a standalone 
hardware unit that is as flexible as the one on EVO(ie. being able to assign LFOs, 
envelopes,noise, oscillators, to each of the three delay times or amounts)? I have three 
other delay units(one really good one) that I use with other things and I find myself 
unreasonably demanding more and more from them that they just can't deliver and it's all 
because of EVO. It's totally corrupted my mind and turned me into a spoiled brat.

steve

Re: [Evolver] MEK delay

2008-03-04 by Richard Scott

Steve, I can't answer you question.... but I am thinking eventide and a lot of money is the answer :) there are some very extensive modulation options on those machines...
I am a little obsessed with modulating delay times these days too, everything from karplus strong to mad stuttering rhythmic chaos is possible using sequencers to modulate delay time, feedback, and wet/dry ... I recently picked up an ancient Vesta Kazu digi 420 delay which has a CV inputs and is basically insane...
But I have to ask, what the heck does assigning noise to delay time do? ; And I must admit I had never noticed that the evo's digital oscillators can be used to control delay time - coming to it more from an analog CV way of thinking I have no idea what that even means!!?
I don't have my evo in front of me otherwise I would find out the answers to these questions immediately!
Richard
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From: dhamaryder
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:47 AM
Subject: [Evolver] MEK delay

I've really come to appreciate the delay part of my MEK. Does anyone know of a standalone
hardware unit that is as flexible as the one on EVO(ie. being able to assign LFOs,
envelopes,noise, oscillators, to each of the three delay times or amounts)? I have three
other delay units(one really good one) that I use with other things and I find myself
unreasonably demanding more and more from them that they just can't deliver and it's all
because of EVO. It's totally corrupted my mind and turned me into a spoiled brat.

steve


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Re: MEK delay

2008-03-04 by dhamaryder

Richard,

> I am a little obsessed with modulating delay times these days too, everything from 
>karplus strong to mad stuttering rhythmic chaos is possible using sequencers to 
>modulate delay time, feedback, and wet/dry ... I recently picked up an ancient Vesta 
>Kazu digi 420 delay which has a CV inputs and is basically insane...

Wow, I've never even heard of those. I guess that's the answer, a delay having cv inputs to 
control the different parameters. Then you could control it with anything. Where the heck 
did you find something like that? or even know that it existed?

> But I have to ask,  what the heck does assigning noise to delay time do?  

That is one thing, I wish you could filter the noise in different ways before sending it to the 
delay. but still, it is an option to play with.

>And I must admit I had never noticed that the evo's digital oscillators can be used to 
>control delay time - coming to it more from an analog CV way of thinking I have no idea 
>what that even means!!?

I think it would be the same as sending the signal from any VCO to the cv input on your 
Kazu digi.  
Remember too, on the EVO you can have something controlling the frequency of Osc. 3 or 
4 before you send it to the delay.

steve


smcmusic.net

Re: [Evolver] Re: MEK delay

2008-03-04 by Richard Scott

actually, there's quite a few early digital delays that had CV inputs, and a lot more that could be modded easily enough to add them. The one I have is supe-rare because it sounds so wierd I am sure nobody much wanted it when it was new. Doepfer and some other modular synth currently make some very interesting analog delay modules where you can modulate he delays in different ways and even output the different taps out to different outs, send them back into the imputs or to different fx... the moogerfooger pedal is a beauty too, but a different ballgame.... the ideal would be to have a delay that could be controlled by both midi and CV
the old delays were nice because of the way they failed to maintain the high frequency content - the evolver is very different from all of that because the delay is super clean and shiny and really intrinsic to the sound. The digital aspects of the evolver gets a bit ignored, but in many ways the evolver is digital more than it is analog and as we know Dave Smith does that kind of thing very, very well - of course the filter is great but the delay, the sequencer and the feedback paths, are equally at the centre of his thinking. Some of the most unique evolver sounds come from that integration of a nice bit of analog in a basically digital framework,
and of course the abilty to modulate the crap out of everything in sight :)
I'm exploring similar possibilties on an Akai MPC4000 sampler at the moment, the fx on it are basic but all can be sequenced in a variety of ways and its fantastic what can be achieved
if you get the chance, check the karplus strong "string synth" on an eventide H3000 , its a stunning digital synth sound, I think completely made of delay feeedback
Richard
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Subject: [Evolver] Re: MEK delay

Richard,

> I am a little obsessed with modulating delay times these days too, everything from
>karplus strong to mad stuttering rhythmic chaos is possible using sequencers to
>modulate delay time, feedback, and wet/dry ... I recently picked up an ancient Vesta
>Kazu digi 420 delay which has a CV inputs and is basically insane...

Wow, I've never even heard of those. I guess that's the answer, a delay having cv inputs to
control the different parameters. Then you could control it with anything. Where the heck
did you find something like that? or even know that it existed?

> But I have to ask, what the heck does assigning noise to delay time do?

That is one thing, I wish you could filter the noise in different ways before sending it to the
delay. but still, it is an option to play with.

>And I must admit I had never noticed that the evo's digital oscillators can be used to
>control delay time - coming to it more from an analog CV way of thinking I have no idea
>what that even means!!?

I think it would be the same as sending the signal from any VCO to the cv input on your
Kazu digi.
Remember too, on the EVO you can have something controlling the frequency of Osc. 3 or
4 before you send it to the delay.

steve

smcmusic.net


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Re: [Evolver] MEK delay

2008-03-04 by bug.out

i don't know of any hardware offhand, but if you could bring yourself  
to try some software, this is really amazing stuff:

more feedback machine
http://www.u-he.com/mfm/

be sure to read about the multistage envelopes and LFOs

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On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:47 PM, dhamaryder wrote:

> I've really come to appreciate the delay part of my MEK. Does anyone  
> know of a standalone
> hardware unit that is as flexible as the one on EVO(ie. being able  
> to assign LFOs,
> envelopes,noise, oscillators, to each of the three delay times or  
> amounts)? I have three
> other delay units(one really good one) that I use with other things  
> and I find myself
> unreasonably demanding more and more from them that they just can't  
> deliver and it's all
> because of EVO. It's totally corrupted my mind and turned me into a  
> spoiled brat.
>
> steve

Re: MEK delay

2008-03-04 by staplesyrup

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "dhamaryder" <dhamaryder@...> wrote:
>
> Richard,
> 
> > I am a little obsessed with modulating delay times these days too, everything from 
> >karplus strong to mad stuttering rhythmic chaos is possible using sequencers to 
> >modulate delay time, feedback, and wet/dry ... I recently picked up an ancient Vesta 
> >Kazu digi 420 delay which has a CV inputs and is basically insane...
> 
> Wow, I've never even heard of those. I guess that's the answer, a delay having cv inputs 
to 
> control the different parameters. Then you could control it with anything. Where the 
heck 
> did you find something like that? or even know that it existed?
> 
> > But I have to ask,  what the heck does assigning noise to delay time do?  
> 
> That is one thing, I wish you could filter the noise in different ways before sending it to 
the 
> delay. but still, it is an option to play with.
> 
> >And I must admit I had never noticed that the evo's digital oscillators can be used to 
> >control delay time - coming to it more from an analog CV way of thinking I have no 
idea 
> >what that even means!!?
> 
> I think it would be the same as sending the signal from any VCO to the cv input on your 
> Kazu digi.  
> Remember too, on the EVO you can have something controlling the frequency of Osc. 3 
or 
> 4 before you send it to the delay.
> 
> steve
> 
> 
> smcmusic.net
>


assigning OSC3 to delay time actually sounds wicked....really thickens the sound up

[Evolver] Re: MEK delay

2008-03-04 by dhamaryder

> actually, there's quite a few early digital delays that had CV inputs, and a lot more that 
could be modded easily enough to add them. 

Could you give me a few names so I can check them out? I wasn't really into this stuff back 
then so I don't know what's out there.

I was thinking too, with the EVO delay you can affect the amount and feedback with LFOs, 
like with a square wave to make it go on and off to create more variety in rhythms.


Steve


smcmusic.net

Re: [Evolver] Re: MEK delay

2008-03-05 by Ben

Have a look at the clavia modular stuff too.
The delays can be modulated by a lot of sources and there's even  someone 
who patched a full granular synth.

Ben

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>> actually, there's quite a few early digital delays that had CV inputs, 
>> and a lot more that
> could be modded easily enough to add them.
>
> Could you give me a few names so I can check them out? I wasn't really 
> into this stuff back
> then so I don't know what's out there.
>
> I was thinking too, with the EVO delay you can affect the amount and 
> feedback with LFOs,
> like with a square wave to make it go on and off to create more variety in 
> rhythms.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> smcmusic.net
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Evolver] Re: MEK delay

2008-03-05 by Richard Scott

check out the hiwatt here http://www.phloemlabs.com/ it has CV controlled motor! never heard one though
i think some of the dynacord delays had CV, can't remember the other brands offhand
check out synthmonger too: this looks like an very interesting pedal
Richard
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----- Original Message -----
From: dhamaryder
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: [Evolver] Re: MEK delay

> actually, there's quite a few early digital delays that had CV inputs, and a lot more that
could be modded easily enough to add them.

Could you give me a few names so I can check them out? I wasn't really into this stuff back
then so I don't know what's out there.

I was thinking too, with the EVO delay you can affect the amount and feedback with LFOs,
like with a square wave to make it go on and off to create more variety in rhythms.

Steve

smcmusic.net


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Re: [Evolver] MEK delay

2008-03-07 by dhamaryder

> i don't know of any hardware offhand, but if you could bring yourself  
> to try some software, this is really amazing stuff:
> 
> more feedback machine
> http://www.u-he.com/mfm/


yeah, that looks pretty wild. I've been moving away from software in the last few years, 
though. I love my Ohmboyz delay and would love to be able to approximate in hardware 
two of the effects in Absynth, the Pipe and Multicomb delay. I've just found more and more  
lately if it's on the computer I just don't bother turning it on, I'll turn on the hardware 
instrument in a second. I've had the MEK set up beside the couch for about a month now 
with the headphones plugged in and whenever I sit down I just put it on my lap and start 
programming. I've just finnished a whole bank of original sounds that I really like. Sure, it's 
not as flexible and other-worldly as what you can do in something like Absynth but maybe 
my ear is changing too.

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