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DSI sequencer irregularities

DSI sequencer irregularities

2009-10-25 by wasteking1

I was trying to duplicate a Prophet08 patch  on my PEK,  while i got a diffrent but useable sound using the 2 analog oscillators , i tried to duplicate the sequence--it seemed that a  single 16 step sequence in straight 16ths would be simple-- notes and rests ,  but some how the Prophet plays the same sequence  step program  with  a couple  added audible 'grace ' notes that make it sound wonderfully funkier ,a bit syncopated ,But  the PEK is all straight and looses that  funkieness. is there any good explaination?  the pattern is the same . the extra notes seem around the 8 and 16 steps. The  basic sound isnt long or complex. im pretty sure the Prophet pattern was a factory program,(fusion bass?) but i may have altered it by now.

Re: [DSI Synths] DSI sequencer irregularities

2009-10-25 by Stefan Trippler

If it's really the fusion bass preset: this one has pretty long release 
times of all envelopes, but only in sequencer mode.
The envelope release times are pretty short in normal mode to make the sound 
playable by the keyboard, but as soon as the sequencer is switched on, one 
line of the sequencer has a full negative amount on all envelope release 
times via the mod matrix, thus making them much longer than in keyboard 
mode. Maybe you forgot that in the PEK sequence.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:31 PM
Subject: [DSI Synths] DSI sequencer irregularities


I was trying to duplicate a Prophet08 patch  on my PEK,  while i got a 
diffrent but useable sound using the 2 analog oscillators , i tried to 
duplicate the sequence--it seemed that a  single 16 step sequence in 
straight 16ths would be simple-- notes and rests ,  but some how the Prophet 
plays the same sequence  step program  with  a couple  added audible 'grace 
' notes that make it sound wonderfully funkier ,a bit syncopated ,But  the 
PEK is all straight and looses that  funkieness. is there any good 
explaination?  the pattern is the same . the extra notes seem around the 8 
and 16 steps. The  basic sound isnt long or complex. im pretty sure the 
Prophet pattern was a factory program,(fusion bass?) but i may have altered 
it by now.

Re: DSI sequencer irregularities

2009-10-27 by wasteking1

thanks for checking into it... i hadnt connected the mod matrix to seq 3 , and it did certainly add release time even though suprisingly  that seq was set to 'off'. However ,  it still did not make it less 'straight' and more funky.  im still baffled by the phantom grace notes that me and my band insists are there despite it not showing in the step sequencer. i will try at it again, but both  synths pattern is ---1note-2rest-3rest-4rest-5note-6rest-7rest-8rest
9note-10rest -11note -12rest-13 note -14note -15note- 16rest- 

yet i hear  a double note around # 9/10  and 16/1  that makes it sound funkier. i have tried adding a note of another pitch  on 10 and 16  which helps , but again its very straight, and doesnt swing like the original, and setting the pattern 16swing does NOT do it.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trippler" <doct@...> wrote:
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> If it's really the fusion bass preset: this one has pretty long release 
> times of all envelopes, but only in sequencer mode.
> The envelope release times are pretty short in normal mode to make the sound 
> playable by the keyboard, but as soon as the sequencer is switched on, one 
> line of the sequencer has a full negative amount on all envelope release 
> times via the mod matrix, thus making them much longer than in keyboard 
> mode. Maybe you forgot that in the PEK sequence.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:31 PM
> Subject: [DSI Synths] DSI sequencer irregularities
> 
> 
> I was trying to duplicate a Prophet08 patch  on my PEK,  while i got a 
> diffrent but useable sound using the 2 analog oscillators , i tried to 
> duplicate the sequence--it seemed that a  single 16 step sequence in 
> straight 16ths would be simple-- notes and rests ,  but some how the Prophet 
> plays the same sequence  step program  with  a couple  added audible 'grace 
> ' notes that make it sound wonderfully funkier ,a bit syncopated ,But  the 
> PEK is all straight and looses that  funkieness. is there any good 
> explaination?  the pattern is the same . the extra notes seem around the 8 
> and 16 steps. The  basic sound isnt long or complex. im pretty sure the 
> Prophet pattern was a factory program,(fusion bass?) but i may have altered 
> it by now.
>

Re: [DSI Synths] Re: DSI sequencer irregularities

2009-10-27 by Stefan Trippler

Sequencer 3 destination in that sound is off because it allows only positive 
modulation amounts. A negative mod amount is however routed via the 
modulation matrix.

The first 3 quarter notes of the sequence (C, Eb, F) consist of four 1/16th 
steps each. If you look at the pitch sequence (Seq2), you'll see, that the 
pitch is not constant for all four steps. For the 2nd note for example it's 
Eb for the first two 1/16th steps, then rises to E for the next step and 
then gets down to C for the last step. The last step is responsible for the 
grace note. Because that step is off, you won't hear it as a new note, the 
sound in the release stage will just step down in pitch what makes the 
impression of a grace note.
You must simply make sure, that amp and filter envelopes are long enough to 
make the notes audible for all 4 steps of the quarter note. Because only the 
first step of each note is on, but steps 2,3,4 (or 6,7,8/10,11,12) are off, 
it's mainly the release times that count.

Good luck ;)

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: DSI sequencer irregularities


thanks for checking into it... i hadnt connected the mod matrix to seq 3 , 
and it did certainly add release time even though suprisingly  that seq was 
set to 'off'. However ,  it still did not make it less 'straight' and more 
funky.  im still baffled by the phantom grace notes that me and my band 
insists are there despite it not showing in the step sequencer. i will try 
at it again, but both  synths pattern 
is ---1note-2rest-3rest-4rest-5note-6rest-7rest-8rest
9note-10rest -11note -12rest-13 note -14note -15note- 16rest-

yet i hear  a double note around # 9/10  and 16/1  that makes it sound 
funkier. i have tried adding a note of another pitch  on 10 and 16  which 
helps , but again its very straight, and doesnt swing like the original, and 
setting the pattern 16swing does NOT do it.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trippler" <doct@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> If it's really the fusion bass preset: this one has pretty long release
> times of all envelopes, but only in sequencer mode.
> The envelope release times are pretty short in normal mode to make the 
> sound
> playable by the keyboard, but as soon as the sequencer is switched on, one
> line of the sequencer has a full negative amount on all envelope release
> times via the mod matrix, thus making them much longer than in keyboard
> mode. Maybe you forgot that in the PEK sequence.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:31 PM
> Subject: [DSI Synths] DSI sequencer irregularities
>
>
> I was trying to duplicate a Prophet08 patch  on my PEK,  while i got a
> diffrent but useable sound using the 2 analog oscillators , i tried to
> duplicate the sequence--it seemed that a  single 16 step sequence in
> straight 16ths would be simple-- notes and rests ,  but some how the 
> Prophet
> plays the same sequence  step program  with  a couple  added audible 
> 'grace
> ' notes that make it sound wonderfully funkier ,a bit syncopated ,But  the
> PEK is all straight and looses that  funkieness. is there any good
> explaination?  the pattern is the same . the extra notes seem around the 8
> and 16 steps. The  basic sound isnt long or complex. im pretty sure the
> Prophet pattern was a factory program,(fusion bass?) but i may have 
> altered
> it by now.
>

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