Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi Stephane,

I agree that the Yamahas don't always respond to what appears to be 
a good hit, but all rim switches can be a little finicky. My 
favorite reasonably priced stereo cymbal at this point is easily the 
Pintech Zenbal ZB2.  As with all stereo cymbals, the ZB2's rim can 
serve as a crash while its body serves as a ride (and it swings). It 
tracks very well. Another stereo cymbal at about the same price, 
though 2 inches smaller, is the Roland CY6. For me, though, the CY6 
works better as two separate crashes than as a crash and a ride. It 
doesn't have a raised rim like the Yamaha or the Pintech stereos, 
but the edge requires a little practice to hit effectively with the 
shaft of a stick. Until you master the technique, you can sometimes 
get the bow sound (or no sound at all) when you want the edge sound. 
(Don't forget that you can also use a stereo snare/tom pad like the 
Yamaha TP80s, the Pintech SE102, or the Roland PD9 as a ride/crash 
as well.) I hope your dealer carries a selection that you can try. 
Hopefully, others will respond to this post, and you can get the 
benefit of the group's wide range of experience.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> Great ;-)) , before i buy the PCY80S cymbal and as i have time to 
> time problem with that pad ( edge don't react time to time but not 
> enough to prouve that to my seller ) is there a better pad 
cymbal ? i 
> read post about pintech but i gonna use this pad as ride/crash and 
> the way pintech place the second zone ... i prefer the crash on 
the 
> edge of the pad , any suggestion ? 
> stephane 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your 
crash, 
> > you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The PCY10 
can 
> go 
> > into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono pad of 
> your 
> > choice. Have fun.
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S and 
the 
> > 9/10 
> > > input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter buy 
> > another 
> > > pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all 
that ;-
> )
> > > Stephane 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Someone can run a search for the post of the various 
triggers 
> > and 
> > > > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of 
the 
> > > > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but 
> hairytrigger's 
> > > > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and a 
> > piezo 
> > > > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a 
> dual-
> > > > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the 
Zenbal 
> > > post. 
> > > > The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, 
> will 
> > > not 
> > > > work through input 9/10.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two 
> > sounds 
> > > > from 
> > > > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers 
for 
> > the 
> > > > pad 
> > > > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type 
> > trigger 
> > > > for 
> > > > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 
are 
> > > > actually 
> > > > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two 
PIEZO 
> > > > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > > > There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. 
> > > Anybody 
> > > > > remember the message number?
> > > > > Scott
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > > > Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > > > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on 
DTXpress 
> > > > manuel 
> > > > > > that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , 
so 
> > if 
> > > i 
> > > > use 
> > > > > > a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 
> > sound 
> > > > like 
> > > > > > with my snare drum pad ?
> > > > > > i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a 
hit 
> > hat 
> > > > use 
> > > > > ( 
> > > > > > i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted 
to 
> > use 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash 
> > use ) 
> > > > plus a 
> > > > > > Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you 
are 
> > > right 
> > > > i 
> > > > > > cannot do that ;-(((((
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Stephane
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Chitsman,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and 
> unlike, 
> > > for 
> > > > > > > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech 
CC102ST, 
> > > > which 
> > > > > are 
> > > > > > > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress 
> > inputs 
> > > > > > except 
> > > > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals 
ZB2...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, 
like 
> > the 
> > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to 
those 
> on 
> > > > strict 
> > > > > > > > > budgets). One important consideration about the 
ZB2 
> as 
> > a 
> > > > ride 
> > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell 
doesn't 
> > > leave 
> > > > an 
> > > > > > > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would 
> > > certainly 
> > > > be 
> > > > > > > > better 
> > > > > > > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough 
success 
> > with 
> > > > this 
> > > > > > > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I 
hope 
> > so. 
> > > > I'm 
> > > > > > > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but 
my 
> > > > reaction 
> > > > > > > may 
> > > > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you 
> > tinker. 
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a 
> high 
> > > > hat. My 
> > > > > > > gut 
> > > > > > > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may 
have 
> > > > definite 
> > > > > > > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and 
> slender 
> > > bow 
> > > > may 
> > > > > > > make 
> > > > > > > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone 
and 
> > the 
> > > > > > other. 
> > > > > > > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a 
> > > > resourceful 
> > > > > > > > drummer 
> > > > > > > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is 
an 
> > > > option 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-
> > hat.  
> > > I 
> > > > use 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it 
> have 
> > > two 
> > > > > > > > distinct, 
> > > > > > > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; 
the 
> > > > rounded 
> > > > > > > edge 
> > > > > > > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the 
stick. 
> > The 
> > > > > > drawback 
> > > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a 
> > > > traditional 
> > > > > > > high 
> > > > > > > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. 
i've 
> > > > demoed a 
> > > > > > > few 
> > > > > > > > > at 
> > > > > > > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. 
they 
> > > > seemed 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > > > alot 
> > > > > > > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has 
for 
> e-
> > > > > > cymbals.. 
> > > > > > > i 
> > > > > > > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes 
though?? 
> > i'd 
> > > > love 
> > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > > throw 
> > > > > > > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 
> hart 
> > > e's 
> > > > on 
> > > > > > my 
> > > > > > > > > kit. 
> > > > > > > > > > they're great for crashes,aux 
hihats,splashes,and 
> > > > > china's,but 
> > > > > > > > > still 
> > > > > > > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary 
hihats,or 
> > for 
> > > my 
> > > > > ride 
> > > > > > > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal 
for 
> > my 
> > > > hats 
> > > > > > > > > though.. 
> > > > > > > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just 
> > > > wondering 
> > > > > > how 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar 
> > center 
> > > > they 
> > > > > > > had 
> > > > > > > > > them 
> > > > > > > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to 
> the 
> > > > hihat 
> > > > > > > > > stand...   
> > > > > > > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to 
pick 
> > one 
> > > up 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > near 
> > > > > > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" 
> <edtyct@a...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, 
and 
> > > > though I 
> > > > > > > > > haven't 
> > > > > > > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first 
impressions 
> > are 
> > > > really 
> > > > > > > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out 
the 
> > > best 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a 
nice 
> > > > feel, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this 
point, 
> > what 
> > > I 
> > > > > like 
> > > > > > > > best 
> > > > > > > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right 
> > combination 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > ride 
> > > > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that 
kind 
> > of 
> > > > > > > symbiotic 
> > > > > > > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will 
give 
> > you 
> > > > when 
> > > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > > > swings 
> > > > > > > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that 
> with 
> > a 
> > > > > Roland 
> > > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder 
how 
> > it 
> > > > stacks 
> > > > > > > up 
> > > > > > > > > > > against the Harts.