Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I haven't 
had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in the Yamaha 
ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, and 
doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I like best 
about it is that if you choose the right combination of ride for the 
body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of symbiotic 
ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when it swings 
just right.  I've never been able to get that with a Roland or 
Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks up 
against the Harts.

well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've demoed a few at 
guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they seemed to be alot 
better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-cymbals.. i 
wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd love to throw 
a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's on my kit. 
they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and china's,but still 
haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my ride 
trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my hats though.. 
have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just wondering how the 
stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center they had them 
on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the hihat stand...   
cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up in the near 
future


sam(otacon28)
--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I haven't 
> had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
> positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in the 
Yamaha 
> ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, and 
> doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I like best 
> about it is that if you choose the right combination of ride for 
the 
> body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of symbiotic 
> ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when it 
swings 

> just right.  I've never been able to get that with a Roland or 
> Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks up 
> against the Harts.

Hi Sam,

The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on strict 
budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a ride is 
that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't leave an 
enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would certainly be better 
in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with this 
model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. I'm 
satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my reaction may be 
subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high hat. My gut 
feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have definite 
advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender bow may make 
it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the other. 
Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a resourceful drummer 
could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an option for 
anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  I use a 
Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have two distinct, 
sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the rounded edge 
also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The drawback is 
that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a traditional high 
hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 




--- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've demoed a few 
at 
> guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they seemed to be 
alot 
> better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-cymbals.. i 
> wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd love to 
throw 
> a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's on my 
kit. 
> they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and china's,but 
still 
> haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my ride 
> trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my hats 
though.. 
> have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just wondering how the 
> stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center they had 
them 
> on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the hihat 
stand...   
> cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up in the 
near 
> future
> 
> 
> sam(otacon28)
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I 
haven't 

> > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
> > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in the 
> Yamaha 
> > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, and 
> > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I like best 
> > about it is that if you choose the right combination of ride for 
> the 
> > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of symbiotic 
> > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when it 
> swings 
> > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a Roland or 
> > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks up 
> > against the Harts.

Hi liberatusvisrus,

I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...

Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like the Yamaha 
PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?

Thanks!

--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> Hi Sam,
> 
> The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on strict 
> budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a ride is 
> that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't leave an 
> enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would certainly be 
better 
> in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with this 
> model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. I'm 
> satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my reaction may 
be 
> subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
> Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high hat. My gut 
> feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have definite 
> advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender bow may make 
> it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the other. 
> Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a resourceful 
drummer 
> could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an option for 
> anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  I use a 
> Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have two 
distinct, 
> sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the rounded edge 
> also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The drawback is 
> that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a traditional high 
> hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've demoed a few 
> at 
> > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they seemed to be 
> alot 
> > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-cymbals.. i 
> > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd love to 
> throw 
> > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's on my 
> kit. 
> > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and china's,but 
> still 
> > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my ride 
> > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my hats 
> though.. 
> > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just wondering how 
the 
> > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center they had 
> them 
> > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the hihat 
> stand...   
> > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up in the 
> near 
> > future
> > 
> > 
> > sam(otacon28)
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I 
> haven't 
> > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
> > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in the 
> > Yamaha 
> > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, and 
> > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I like 
best 
> > > about it is that if you choose the right combination of ride 
for 

> > the 
> > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of symbiotic 
> > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when it 
> > swings 
> > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a Roland or 
> > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks up 
> > > against the Harts.

Hi Chitsman,

The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and unlike, for 
example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, which are 
dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> Hi liberatusvisrus,
> 
> I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> 
> Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like the Yamaha 
> PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Sam,
> > 
> > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on strict 
> > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a ride is 
> > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't leave an 
> > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would certainly be 
> better 
> > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with this 
> > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. I'm 
> > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my reaction 
may 
> be 
> > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
> > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high hat. My 
gut 
> > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have definite 
> > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender bow may 
make 
> > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the other. 
> > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a resourceful 
> drummer 
> > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an option for 
> > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  I use a 
> > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have two 
> distinct, 
> > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the rounded 
edge 
> > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The drawback 
is 
> > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a traditional 
high 
> > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've demoed a 
few 
> > at 
> > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they seemed to 
be 
> > alot 
> > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-cymbals.. 
i 
> > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd love 
to 
> > throw 
> > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's on my 
> > kit. 
> > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and china's,but 
> > still 
> > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my ride 
> > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my hats 
> > though.. 
> > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just wondering how 
> the 
> > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center they 
had 
> > them 
> > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the hihat 
> > stand...   
> > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up in 
the 
> > near 
> > > future
> > > 
> > > 
> > > sam(otacon28)
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I 
> > haven't 
> > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
> > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in 
the 
> > > Yamaha 
> > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, and 
> > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I like 
> best 
> > > > about it is that if you choose the right combination of ride 
> for 
> > > the 
> > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of 
symbiotic 
> > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when 
it 
> > > swings 
> > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a Roland 
or 
> > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks 
up 
> > > > against the Harts.

Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.

why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on DTXpress manuel 
that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , so if i use 
a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 sound like 
with my snare drum pad ?
i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a hit hat use ( 
i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted to use the 
free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash use ) plus a 
Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you are right i 
cannot do that ;-(((((

Stephane


--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> Hi Chitsman,
> 
> The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and unlike, for 
> example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, which are 
> dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs 
except 
> for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > 
> > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> > 
> > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like the Yamaha 
> > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > Hi Sam,
> > > 
> > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on strict 
> > > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a ride 
is 
> > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't leave an 
> > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would certainly be 
> > better 
> > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with this 
> > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. I'm 
> > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my reaction 
> may 
> > be 
> > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
> > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high hat. My 
> gut 
> > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have definite 
> > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender bow may 
> make 
> > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the 
other. 
> > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a resourceful 
> > drummer 
> > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an option 
for 
> > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  I use 
a 
> > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have two 
> > distinct, 
> > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the rounded 
> edge 
> > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The 
drawback 
> is 
> > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a traditional 
> high 
> > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've demoed a 
> few 
> > > at 
> > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they seemed to 
> be 
> > > alot 
> > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-
cymbals.. 
> i 
> > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd love 
> to 
> > > throw 
> > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's on 
my 
> > > kit. 
> > > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and china's,but 
> > > still 
> > > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my ride 
> > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my hats 
> > > though.. 
> > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just wondering 
how 
> > the 
> > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center they 
> had 
> > > them 
> > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the hihat 
> > > stand...   
> > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up in 
> the 
> > > near 
> > > > future
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I 
> > > haven't 
> > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
> > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in 
> the 
> > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, and 
> > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I like 
> > best 
> > > > > about it is that if you choose the right combination of 
ride 

> > for 
> > > > the 
> > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of 
> symbiotic 
> > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when 
> it 
> > > > swings 
> > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a Roland 
> or 
> > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks 
> up 
> > > > > against the Harts.

Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two sounds from 
STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers for the pad 
and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type trigger for 
the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 are actually 
two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two PIEZO 
triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. Anybody 
remember the message number?
Scott

--- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> 
> why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on DTXpress manuel 
> that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , so if i use 
> a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 sound like 
> with my snare drum pad ?
> i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a hit hat use 
( 
> i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted to use the 
> free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash use ) plus a 
> Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you are right i 
> cannot do that ;-(((((
> 
> Stephane
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Chitsman,
> > 
> > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and unlike, for 
> > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, which 
are 
> > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs 
> except 
> > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > 
> > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> > > 
> > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like the Yamaha 
> > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > 
> > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on strict 
> > > > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a ride 
> is 
> > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't leave an 
> > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would certainly be 
> > > better 
> > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with this 
> > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. I'm 
> > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my reaction 
> > may 
> > > be 
> > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
> > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high hat. My 
> > gut 
> > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have definite 
> > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender bow may 
> > make 
> > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the 
> other. 
> > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a resourceful 
> > > drummer 
> > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an option 
> for 
> > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  I use 
> a 
> > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have two 
> > > distinct, 
> > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the rounded 
> > edge 
> > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The 
> drawback 
> > is 
> > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a traditional 
> > high 
> > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've demoed a 
> > few 
> > > > at 
> > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they seemed 
to 
> > be 
> > > > alot 
> > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-
> cymbals.. 
> > i 
> > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd love 
> > to 
> > > > throw 
> > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's on 
> my 
> > > > kit. 
> > > > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and 
china's,but 
> > > > still 
> > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my 
ride 
> > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my hats 
> > > > though.. 
> > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just wondering 
> how 
> > > the 
> > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center they 
> > had 
> > > > them 
> > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the hihat 
> > > > stand...   
> > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up in 
> > the 
> > > > near 
> > > > > future
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and though I 
> > > > haven't 
> > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are really 
> > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best in 
> > the 
> > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice feel, 
and 
> > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I 
like 
> > > best 
> > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right combination of 
> ride 
> > > for 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of 
> > symbiotic 
> > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you when 
> > it 
> > > > > swings 
> > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a 
Roland 

> > or 
> > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it stacks 
> > up 
> > > > > > against the Harts.

Someone can run a search for the post of the various triggers and 
their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of the 
electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but hairytrigger's 
reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and a piezo 
trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a dual-
zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the Zenbal post. 
The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, will not 
work through input 9/10.

--- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two sounds 
from 
> STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers for the 
pad 
> and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type trigger 
for 
> the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 are 
actually 
> two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two PIEZO 
> triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. Anybody 
> remember the message number?
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > 
> > why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on DTXpress 
manuel 
> > that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , so if i 
use 
> > a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 sound 
like 
> > with my snare drum pad ?
> > i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a hit hat 
use 
> ( 
> > i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted to use 
the 
> > free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash use ) 
plus a 
> > Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you are right 
i 
> > cannot do that ;-(((((
> > 
> > Stephane
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > Hi Chitsman,
> > > 
> > > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and unlike, for 
> > > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, 
which 
> are 
> > > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs 
> > except 
> > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > > 
> > > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> > > > 
> > > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like the 
Yamaha 
> > > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on 
strict 
> > > > > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a 
ride 
> > is 
> > > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't leave 
an 
> > > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would certainly 
be 
> > > > better 
> > > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with 
this 
> > > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. 
I'm 
> > > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my 
reaction 
> > > may 
> > > > be 
> > > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
> > > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high 
hat. My 
> > > gut 
> > > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have 
definite 
> > > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender bow 
may 
> > > make 
> > > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the 
> > other. 
> > > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a 
resourceful 
> > > > drummer 
> > > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an 
option 
> > for 
> > > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  I 
use 
> > a 
> > > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have two 
> > > > distinct, 
> > > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the 
rounded 
> > > edge 
> > > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The 
> > drawback 
> > > is 
> > > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a 
traditional 
> > > high 
> > > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've 
demoed a 
> > > few 
> > > > > at 
> > > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they 
seemed 
> to 
> > > be 
> > > > > alot 
> > > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-
> > cymbals.. 
> > > i 
> > > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd 
love 
> > > to 
> > > > > throw 
> > > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart e's 
on 
> > my 
> > > > > kit. 
> > > > > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and 
> china's,but 
> > > > > still 
> > > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for my 
> ride 
> > > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my 
hats 
> > > > > though.. 
> > > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just 
wondering 
> > how 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center 
they 
> > > had 
> > > > > them 
> > > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the 
hihat 
> > > > > stand...   
> > > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one up 
in 
> > > the 
> > > > > near 
> > > > > > future
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and 
though I 
> > > > > haven't 
> > > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are 
really 
> > > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the best 
in 
> > > the 
> > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice 
feel, 
> and 
> > > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what I 
> like 
> > > > best 
> > > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right combination 
of 
> > ride 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of 
> > > symbiotic 
> > > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you 
when 
> > > it 
> > > > > > swings 
> > > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a 
> Roland 
> > > or 
> > > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it 
stacks 
> > > up 
> > > > > > > against the Harts.

so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S and the 9/10 
input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter buy another 
pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all that ;-)
Stephane 

--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Someone can run a search for the post of the various triggers and 
> their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of the 
> electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but hairytrigger's 
> reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and a piezo 
> trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a dual-
> zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the Zenbal 
post. 
> The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, will 
not 
> work through input 9/10.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two sounds 
> from 
> > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers for the 
> pad 
> > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type trigger 
> for 
> > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 are 
> actually 
> > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two PIEZO 
> > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. 
Anybody 
> > remember the message number?
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > 
> > > why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on DTXpress 
> manuel 
> > > that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , so if 
i 
> use 
> > > a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 sound 
> like 
> > > with my snare drum pad ?
> > > i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a hit hat 
> use 
> > ( 
> > > i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted to use 
> the 
> > > free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash use ) 
> plus a 
> > > Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you are 
right 
> i 
> > > cannot do that ;-(((((
> > > 
> > > Stephane
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Chitsman,
> > > > 
> > > > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and unlike, 
for 
> > > > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, 
> which 
> > are 
> > > > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs 
> > > except 
> > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like the 
> Yamaha 
> > > > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on 
> strict 
> > > > > > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as a 
> ride 
> > > is 
> > > > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't 
leave 
> an 
> > > > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would 
certainly 
> be 
> > > > > better 
> > > > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success with 
> this 
> > > > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope so. 
> I'm 
> > > > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my 
> reaction 
> > > > may 
> > > > > be 
> > > > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you tinker. 
> > > > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high 
> hat. My 
> > > > gut 
> > > > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have 
> definite 
> > > > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender 
bow 
> may 
> > > > make 
> > > > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and the 
> > > other. 
> > > > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a 
> resourceful 
> > > > > drummer 
> > > > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an 
> option 
> > > for 
> > > > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-hat.  
I 
> use 
> > > a 
> > > > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have 
two 
> > > > > distinct, 
> > > > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the 
> rounded 
> > > > edge 
> > > > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. The 
> > > drawback 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a 
> traditional 
> > > > high 
> > > > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've 
> demoed a 
> > > > few 
> > > > > > at 
> > > > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they 
> seemed 
> > to 
> > > > be 
> > > > > > alot 
> > > > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-
> > > cymbals.. 
> > > > i 
> > > > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? i'd 
> love 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > throw 
> > > > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart 
e's 
> on 
> > > my 
> > > > > > kit. 
> > > > > > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and 
> > china's,but 
> > > > > > still 
> > > > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or for 
my 
> > ride 
> > > > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for my 
> hats 
> > > > > > though.. 
> > > > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just 
> wondering 
> > > how 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar center 
> they 
> > > > had 
> > > > > > them 
> > > > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the 
> hihat 
> > > > > > stand...   
> > > > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick one 
up 
> in 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > near 
> > > > > > > future
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and 
> though I 
> > > > > > haven't 
> > > > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions are 
> really 
> > > > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the 
best 
> in 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice 
> feel, 
> > and 
> > > > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, what 
I 

> > like 
> > > > > best 
> > > > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right combination 
> of 
> > > ride 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind of 
> > > > symbiotic 
> > > > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give you 
> when 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > > swings 
> > > > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with a 
> > Roland 
> > > > or 
> > > > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how it 
> stacks 
> > > > up 
> > > > > > > > against the Harts.

Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your crash, 
you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The PCY10 can go 
into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono pad of your 
choice. Have fun.
--- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S and the 
9/10 
> input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter buy 
another 
> pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all that ;-)
> Stephane 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Someone can run a search for the post of the various triggers 
and 
> > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of the 
> > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but hairytrigger's 
> > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and a 
piezo 
> > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a dual-
> > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the Zenbal 
> post. 
> > The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, will 
> not 
> > work through input 9/10.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two 
sounds 
> > from 
> > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers for 
the 
> > pad 
> > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type 
trigger 
> > for 
> > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 are 
> > actually 
> > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two PIEZO 
> > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. 
> Anybody 
> > > remember the message number?
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > 
> > > > why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on DTXpress 
> > manuel 
> > > > that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , so 
if 
> i 
> > use 
> > > > a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 
sound 
> > like 
> > > > with my snare drum pad ?
> > > > i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a hit 
hat 
> > use 
> > > ( 
> > > > i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted to 
use 
> > the 
> > > > free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash 
use ) 
> > plus a 
> > > > Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you are 
> right 
> > i 
> > > > cannot do that ;-(((((
> > > > 
> > > > Stephane
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Chitsman,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and unlike, 
> for 
> > > > > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, 
> > which 
> > > are 
> > > > > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress 
inputs 
> > > > except 
> > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like 
the 
> > Yamaha 
> > > > > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those on 
> > strict 
> > > > > > > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 as 
a 
> > ride 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't 
> leave 
> > an 
> > > > > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would 
> certainly 
> > be 
> > > > > > better 
> > > > > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success 
with 
> > this 
> > > > > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope 
so. 
> > I'm 
> > > > > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my 
> > reaction 
> > > > > may 
> > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you 
tinker. 
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a high 
> > hat. My 
> > > > > gut 
> > > > > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have 
> > definite 
> > > > > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and slender 
> bow 
> > may 
> > > > > make 
> > > > > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and 
the 
> > > > other. 
> > > > > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a 
> > resourceful 
> > > > > > drummer 
> > > > > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an 
> > option 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-
hat.  
> I 
> > use 
> > > > a 
> > > > > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it have 
> two 
> > > > > > distinct, 
> > > > > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the 
> > rounded 
> > > > > edge 
> > > > > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. 
The 
> > > > drawback 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a 
> > traditional 
> > > > > high 
> > > > > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've 
> > demoed a 
> > > > > few 
> > > > > > > at 
> > > > > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they 
> > seemed 
> > > to 
> > > > > be 
> > > > > > > alot 
> > > > > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for e-
> > > > cymbals.. 
> > > > > i 
> > > > > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? 
i'd 
> > love 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > throw 
> > > > > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 hart 
> e's 
> > on 
> > > > my 
> > > > > > > kit. 
> > > > > > > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and 
> > > china's,but 
> > > > > > > still 
> > > > > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or 
for 
> my 
> > > ride 
> > > > > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for 
my 
> > hats 
> > > > > > > though.. 
> > > > > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just 
> > wondering 
> > > > how 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar 
center 
> > they 
> > > > > had 
> > > > > > > them 
> > > > > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to the 
> > hihat 
> > > > > > > stand...   
> > > > > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick 
one 
> up 
> > in 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > near 
> > > > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and 
> > though I 
> > > > > > > haven't 
> > > > > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions 
are 
> > really 
> > > > > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the 
> best 
> > in 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice 
> > feel, 
> > > and 
> > > > > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, 
what 
> I 
> > > like 
> > > > > > best 
> > > > > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right 
combination 
> > of 
> > > > ride 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind 
of 
> > > > > symbiotic 
> > > > > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give 
you 
> > when 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > swings 
> > > > > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that with 
a 
> > > Roland 
> > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how 
it 

> > stacks 
> > > > > up 
> > > > > > > > > against the Harts.

Great ;-)) , before i buy the PCY80S cymbal and as i have time to 
time problem with that pad ( edge don't react time to time but not 
enough to prouve that to my seller ) is there a better pad cymbal ? i 
read post about pintech but i gonna use this pad as ride/crash and 
the way pintech place the second zone ... i prefer the crash on the 
edge of the pad , any suggestion ? 
stephane 



--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your crash, 
> you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The PCY10 can 
go 
> into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono pad of 
your 
> choice. Have fun.
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S and the 
> 9/10 
> > input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter buy 
> another 
> > pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all that ;-
)
> > Stephane 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > Someone can run a search for the post of the various triggers 
> and 
> > > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of the 
> > > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but 
hairytrigger's 
> > > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and a 
> piezo 
> > > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a 
dual-
> > > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the Zenbal 
> > post. 
> > > The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, 
will 
> > not 
> > > work through input 9/10.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two 
> sounds 
> > > from 
> > > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers for 
> the 
> > > pad 
> > > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type 
> trigger 
> > > for 
> > > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 are 
> > > actually 
> > > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two PIEZO 
> > > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > > There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. 
> > Anybody 
> > > > remember the message number?
> > > > Scott
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > > Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > 
> > > > > why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on DTXpress 
> > > manuel 
> > > > > that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , so 
> if 
> > i 
> > > use 
> > > > > a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 
> sound 
> > > like 
> > > > > with my snare drum pad ?
> > > > > i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a hit 
> hat 
> > > use 
> > > > ( 
> > > > > i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted to 
> use 
> > > the 
> > > > > free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash 
> use ) 
> > > plus a 
> > > > > Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you are 
> > right 
> > > i 
> > > > > cannot do that ;-(((((
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stephane
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Chitsman,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and 
unlike, 
> > for 
> > > > > > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech CC102ST, 
> > > which 
> > > > are 
> > > > > > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress 
> inputs 
> > > > > except 
> > > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals ZB2...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, like 
> the 
> > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to those 
on 
> > > strict 
> > > > > > > > budgets). One important consideration about the ZB2 
as 
> a 
> > > ride 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell doesn't 
> > leave 
> > > an 
> > > > > > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would 
> > certainly 
> > > be 
> > > > > > > better 
> > > > > > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough success 
> with 
> > > this 
> > > > > > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I hope 
> so. 
> > > I'm 
> > > > > > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but my 
> > > reaction 
> > > > > > may 
> > > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you 
> tinker. 
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a 
high 
> > > hat. My 
> > > > > > gut 
> > > > > > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may have 
> > > definite 
> > > > > > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and 
slender 
> > bow 
> > > may 
> > > > > > make 
> > > > > > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone and 
> the 
> > > > > other. 
> > > > > > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a 
> > > resourceful 
> > > > > > > drummer 
> > > > > > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is an 
> > > option 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-
> hat.  
> > I 
> > > use 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it 
have 
> > two 
> > > > > > > distinct, 
> > > > > > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; the 
> > > rounded 
> > > > > > edge 
> > > > > > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the stick. 
> The 
> > > > > drawback 
> > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a 
> > > traditional 
> > > > > > high 
> > > > > > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. i've 
> > > demoed a 
> > > > > > few 
> > > > > > > > at 
> > > > > > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. they 
> > > seemed 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > > alot 
> > > > > > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has for 
e-
> > > > > cymbals.. 
> > > > > > i 
> > > > > > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes though?? 
> i'd 
> > > love 
> > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > throw 
> > > > > > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 
hart 
> > e's 
> > > on 
> > > > > my 
> > > > > > > > kit. 
> > > > > > > > > they're great for crashes,aux hihats,splashes,and 
> > > > china's,but 
> > > > > > > > still 
> > > > > > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary hihats,or 
> for 
> > my 
> > > > ride 
> > > > > > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal for 
> my 
> > > hats 
> > > > > > > > though.. 
> > > > > > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just 
> > > wondering 
> > > > > how 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar 
> center 
> > > they 
> > > > > > had 
> > > > > > > > them 
> > > > > > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to 
the 
> > > hihat 
> > > > > > > > stand...   
> > > > > > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to pick 
> one 
> > up 
> > > in 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > near 
> > > > > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" 
<edtyct@a...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, and 
> > > though I 
> > > > > > > > haven't 
> > > > > > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first impressions 
> are 
> > > really 
> > > > > > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out the 
> > best 
> > > in 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a nice 
> > > feel, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this point, 
> what 
> > I 
> > > > like 
> > > > > > > best 
> > > > > > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right 
> combination 
> > > of 
> > > > > ride 
> > > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that kind 
> of 
> > > > > > symbiotic 
> > > > > > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will give 
> you 
> > > when 
> > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > > swings 
> > > > > > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that 
with 

> a 
> > > > Roland 
> > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder how 
> it 
> > > stacks 
> > > > > > up 
> > > > > > > > > > against the Harts.

Hi Stephane,

I agree that the Yamahas don't always respond to what appears to be 
a good hit, but all rim switches can be a little finicky. My 
favorite reasonably priced stereo cymbal at this point is easily the 
Pintech Zenbal ZB2.  As with all stereo cymbals, the ZB2's rim can 
serve as a crash while its body serves as a ride (and it swings). It 
tracks very well. Another stereo cymbal at about the same price, 
though 2 inches smaller, is the Roland CY6. For me, though, the CY6 
works better as two separate crashes than as a crash and a ride. It 
doesn't have a raised rim like the Yamaha or the Pintech stereos, 
but the edge requires a little practice to hit effectively with the 
shaft of a stick. Until you master the technique, you can sometimes 
get the bow sound (or no sound at all) when you want the edge sound. 
(Don't forget that you can also use a stereo snare/tom pad like the 
Yamaha TP80s, the Pintech SE102, or the Roland PD9 as a ride/crash 
as well.) I hope your dealer carries a selection that you can try. 
Hopefully, others will respond to this post, and you can get the 
benefit of the group's wide range of experience.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> Great ;-)) , before i buy the PCY80S cymbal and as i have time to 
> time problem with that pad ( edge don't react time to time but not 
> enough to prouve that to my seller ) is there a better pad 
cymbal ? i 
> read post about pintech but i gonna use this pad as ride/crash and 
> the way pintech place the second zone ... i prefer the crash on 
the 
> edge of the pad , any suggestion ? 
> stephane 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your 
crash, 
> > you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The PCY10 
can 
> go 
> > into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono pad of 
> your 
> > choice. Have fun.
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S and 
the 
> > 9/10 
> > > input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter buy 
> > another 
> > > pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all 
that ;-
> )
> > > Stephane 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Someone can run a search for the post of the various 
triggers 
> > and 
> > > > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of 
the 
> > > > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but 
> hairytrigger's 
> > > > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and a 
> > piezo 
> > > > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a 
> dual-
> > > > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the 
Zenbal 
> > > post. 
> > > > The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, 
> will 
> > > not 
> > > > work through input 9/10.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two 
> > sounds 
> > > > from 
> > > > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers 
for 
> > the 
> > > > pad 
> > > > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type 
> > trigger 
> > > > for 
> > > > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 
are 
> > > > actually 
> > > > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two 
PIEZO 
> > > > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > > > There is a post that more fully explains this distinction. 
> > > Anybody 
> > > > > remember the message number?
> > > > > Scott
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > > > Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress inputs except 
> > > > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > why ? it's a strereo input trigger no ? i read on 
DTXpress 
> > > > manuel 
> > > > > > that if i use a mono cable only channel 9 will be used , 
so 
> > if 
> > > i 
> > > > use 
> > > > > > a stereo cable on a stereo pad normaly i'll gonna have 2 
> > sound 
> > > > like 
> > > > > > with my snare drum pad ?
> > > > > > i ask that cause i just move my PCY80S cymbal pad for a 
hit 
> > hat 
> > > > use 
> > > > > ( 
> > > > > > i need the edge for accent on hit hat ) so now i wanted 
to 
> > use 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > free 9/10 input trigger for another PCY80S ( ride/crash 
> > use ) 
> > > > plus a 
> > > > > > Bell pad ( PCY10 ) unsing my past crash input , if you 
are 
> > > right 
> > > > i 
> > > > > > cannot do that ;-(((((
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Stephane
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Chitsman,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The ZB2 model is stereo like the Yamaha PCY80s and 
> unlike, 
> > > for 
> > > > > > > example, the Hart Ecymbal II Ride or the Pintech 
CC102ST, 
> > > > which 
> > > > > are 
> > > > > > > dual mono.  Bow and rim will work in any of the Xpress 
> > inputs 
> > > > > > except 
> > > > > > > for 9/10, which will trigger the bow only.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi liberatusvisrus,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Pintech Zenbals 
ZB2...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Is it a dual trigger cymbal or a stereo trigger, 
like 
> > the 
> > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > PCY80S? Which input are you plugging the ZB2 into?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@a...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The Zenbal puts the TCs to bed (no offense to 
those 
> on 
> > > > strict 
> > > > > > > > > budgets). One important consideration about the 
ZB2 
> as 
> > a 
> > > > ride 
> > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > that its relatively large rim and inert bell 
doesn't 
> > > leave 
> > > > an 
> > > > > > > > > enormous amount of room for riding; an 18" would 
> > > certainly 
> > > > be 
> > > > > > > > better 
> > > > > > > > > in that respect. Maybe if Pintech has enough 
success 
> > with 
> > > > this 
> > > > > > > > > model, they'll expand the line.  Personally, I 
hope 
> > so. 
> > > > I'm 
> > > > > > > > > satisfied with the rebound action of the ZB2, but 
my 
> > > > reaction 
> > > > > > > may 
> > > > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > > > subjective. Too bad the dealer wouldn't let you 
> > tinker. 
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, my setup won't let me test it as a 
> high 
> > > > hat. My 
> > > > > > > gut 
> > > > > > > > > feeling is that, even though its dual zone may 
have 
> > > > definite 
> > > > > > > > > advantages in high-hat use, the raised rim and 
> slender 
> > > bow 
> > > > may 
> > > > > > > make 
> > > > > > > > > it awkward to manipulate a stick between one zone 
and 
> > the 
> > > > > > other. 
> > > > > > > > > Again, this may be the kind of difficulty that a 
> > > > resourceful 
> > > > > > > > drummer 
> > > > > > > > > could overcome, and, of course, the single-zone is 
an 
> > > > option 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > > anyone who can live without two triggers on a high-
> > hat.  
> > > I 
> > > > use 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > Drum Tech pole pad for high hat. Not only does it 
> have 
> > > two 
> > > > > > > > distinct, 
> > > > > > > > > sensitive mono triggers that can be mounted high; 
the 
> > > > rounded 
> > > > > > > edge 
> > > > > > > > > also allows me to play with the shaft of the 
stick. 
> > The 
> > > > > > drawback 
> > > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > that it certainly doesn't look, or respond, like a 
> > > > traditional 
> > > > > > > high 
> > > > > > > > > hat. But, for now, I'm addicted to it. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "otacon28us" <reva@s...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > well first off congards on the zenbal cymbal.. 
i've 
> > > > demoed a 
> > > > > > > few 
> > > > > > > > > at 
> > > > > > > > > > guitar center ,but haven't picked one up yet.. 
they 
> > > > seemed 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > > > alot 
> > > > > > > > > > better designed than the tc's that pintech has 
for 
> e-
> > > > > > cymbals.. 
> > > > > > > i 
> > > > > > > > > > wonder if there gonna make any other sizes 
though?? 
> > i'd 
> > > > love 
> > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > > throw 
> > > > > > > > > > a 18" dual zone on my kit for a ride.. i have 9 
> hart 
> > > e's 
> > > > on 
> > > > > > my 
> > > > > > > > > kit. 
> > > > > > > > > > they're great for crashes,aux 
hihats,splashes,and 
> > > > > china's,but 
> > > > > > > > > still 
> > > > > > > > > > haven't found one i like for my primary 
hihats,or 
> > for 
> > > my 
> > > > > ride 
> > > > > > > > > > trigger... i'm thinking of going to the zenbal 
for 
> > my 
> > > > hats 
> > > > > > > > > though.. 
> > > > > > > > > > have you tried it for a hihat trigger?? i'm just 
> > > > wondering 
> > > > > > how 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > stick rebound is?? when i demoed them at guitar 
> > center 
> > > > they 
> > > > > > > had 
> > > > > > > > > them 
> > > > > > > > > > on crash stands and wouldn't let me move them to 
> the 
> > > > hihat 
> > > > > > > > > stand...   
> > > > > > > > > > cool deal on getting one though i'll have to 
pick 
> > one 
> > > up 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > near 
> > > > > > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > sam(otacon28)
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" 
> <edtyct@a...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I've been able to get one of these in my kit, 
and 
> > > > though I 
> > > > > > > > > haven't 
> > > > > > > > > > > had a lot of time with it, my first 
impressions 
> > are 
> > > > really 
> > > > > > > > > > > positive.  It tracks well, seems to bring out 
the 
> > > best 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > ride sounds (that's saying something), has a 
nice 
> > > > feel, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't make a lot of noise. But at this 
point, 
> > what 
> > > I 
> > > > > like 
> > > > > > > > best 
> > > > > > > > > > > about it is that if you choose the right 
> > combination 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > ride 
> > > > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > body and crash for the rim, you can get that 
kind 
> > of 
> > > > > > > symbiotic 
> > > > > > > > > > > ride/crash effect that an acoustic ride will 
give 
> > you 
> > > > when 
> > > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > > > swings 
> > > > > > > > > > > just right.  I've never been able to get that 
> with 
> > a 
> > > > > Roland 
> > > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > > > > Yamaha.  Also, the price is right.  I wonder 
how 

> > it 
> > > > stacks 
> > > > > > > up 
> > > > > > > > > > > against the Harts.

Hi Ed , the Pintech Zenbal ZB2 seem real good but i i wanted to add a 
PCY10 to play bell and with the Pintech Zenbal ZB2 it's not possible 
to add that because she already have a "false" bell :-(
Stephane

--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Stephane,
> 
> I agree that the Yamahas don't always respond to what appears to be 
> a good hit, but all rim switches can be a little finicky. My 
> favorite reasonably priced stereo cymbal at this point is easily 
the 
> Pintech Zenbal ZB2.  As with all stereo cymbals, the ZB2's rim can 
> serve as a crash while its body serves as a ride (and it swings). 
It 
> tracks very well. Another stereo cymbal at about the same price, 
> though 2 inches smaller, is the Roland CY6. For me, though, the CY6 
> works better as two separate crashes than as a crash and a ride. It 
> doesn't have a raised rim like the Yamaha or the Pintech stereos, 
> but the edge requires a little practice to hit effectively with the 
> shaft of a stick. Until you master the technique, you can sometimes 
> get the bow sound (or no sound at all) when you want the edge 
sound. 
> (Don't forget that you can also use a stereo snare/tom pad like the 
> Yamaha TP80s, the Pintech SE102, or the Roland PD9 as a ride/crash 
> as well.) I hope your dealer carries a selection that you can try. 
> Hopefully, others will respond to this post, and you can get the 
> benefit of the group's wide range of experience.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > Great ;-)) , before i buy the PCY80S cymbal and as i have time to 
> > time problem with that pad ( edge don't react time to time but 
not 
> > enough to prouve that to my seller ) is there a better pad 
> cymbal ? i 
> > read post about pintech but i gonna use this pad as ride/crash 
and 
> > the way pintech place the second zone ... i prefer the crash on 
> the 
> > edge of the pad , any suggestion ? 
> > stephane 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your 
> crash, 
> > > you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The PCY10 
> can 
> > go 
> > > into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono pad of 
> > your 
> > > choice. Have fun.
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S and 
> the 
> > > 9/10 
> > > > input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter buy 
> > > another 
> > > > pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all 
> that ;-
> > )
> > > > Stephane 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > Someone can run a search for the post of the various 
> triggers 
> > > and 
> > > > > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one of 
> the 
> > > > > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but 
> > hairytrigger's 
> > > > > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch and 
a 
> > > piezo 
> > > > > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same as a 
> > dual-
> > > > > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the 
> Zenbal 
> > > > post. 
> > > > > The rim switch, which is a different technology altogether, 
> > will 
> > > > not 
> > > > > work through input 9/10.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > > > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger two 
> > > sounds 
> > > > > from 
> > > > > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type triggers 
> for 
> > > the 
> > > > > pad 
> > > > > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch type 
> > > trigger 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 9/10 
> are 
> > > > > actually 
> > > > > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses two 
> PIEZO 
> > > > > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > > > > There is a post that more fully explains this 
distinction. 

> > > > Anybody 
> > > > > > remember the message number?
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >

Stephane,

Sorry, I forgot about your PCY10. You may have to stay with the 
Yamaha, which is not a bad cymbal at all. The Hart ECX series is 
slightly similar in appearance, but I'm not sure that the chokable 
crashes will also work as effective rides. I've never used them. The 
18" ride is dual zone, which wouldn't be any help to you. 

Am I right that you are from France? If you were from the US, I'd 
recommend that you contact Ed or Charlotte Morin at the web store 
called Drumbalaya (http://www.drumbalaya.com/), who could tell you 
your best option and sell it to you at a good price. They have an 
email address (and phone number) somewhere on their site. But you 
may have closer resources if you are in Europe.

Why don't you try a new Subject heading: "Which stereo cymbals can 
be used with PCY10"?

Ed

--- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> Hi Ed , the Pintech Zenbal ZB2 seem real good but i i wanted to 
add a 
> PCY10 to play bell and with the Pintech Zenbal ZB2 it's not 
possible 
> to add that because she already have a "false" bell :-(
> Stephane
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Stephane,
> > 
> > I agree that the Yamahas don't always respond to what appears to 
be 
> > a good hit, but all rim switches can be a little finicky. My 
> > favorite reasonably priced stereo cymbal at this point is easily 
> the 
> > Pintech Zenbal ZB2.  As with all stereo cymbals, the ZB2's rim 
can 
> > serve as a crash while its body serves as a ride (and it 
swings). 
> It 
> > tracks very well. Another stereo cymbal at about the same price, 
> > though 2 inches smaller, is the Roland CY6. For me, though, the 
CY6 
> > works better as two separate crashes than as a crash and a ride. 
It 
> > doesn't have a raised rim like the Yamaha or the Pintech 
stereos, 
> > but the edge requires a little practice to hit effectively with 
the 
> > shaft of a stick. Until you master the technique, you can 
sometimes 
> > get the bow sound (or no sound at all) when you want the edge 
> sound. 
> > (Don't forget that you can also use a stereo snare/tom pad like 
the 
> > Yamaha TP80s, the Pintech SE102, or the Roland PD9 as a 
ride/crash 
> > as well.) I hope your dealer carries a selection that you can 
try. 
> > Hopefully, others will respond to this post, and you can get the 
> > benefit of the group's wide range of experience.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > Great ;-)) , before i buy the PCY80S cymbal and as i have time 
to 
> > > time problem with that pad ( edge don't react time to time but 
> not 
> > > enough to prouve that to my seller ) is there a better pad 
> > cymbal ? i 
> > > read post about pintech but i gonna use this pad as ride/crash 
> and 
> > > the way pintech place the second zone ... i prefer the crash 
on 
> > the 
> > > edge of the pad , any suggestion ? 
> > > stephane 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your 
> > crash, 
> > > > you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The 
PCY10 
> > can 
> > > go 
> > > > into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono pad 
of 
> > > your 
> > > > choice. Have fun.
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > > so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S 
and 
> > the 
> > > > 9/10 
> > > > > input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter 
buy 
> > > > another 
> > > > > pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy all 
> > that ;-
> > > )
> > > > > Stephane 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Someone can run a search for the post of the various 
> > triggers 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from one 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but 
> > > hairytrigger's 
> > > > > > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch 
and 
> a 
> > > > piezo 
> > > > > > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same 
as a 
> > > dual-
> > > > > > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the 
> > Zenbal 
> > > > > post. 
> > > > > > The rim switch, which is a different technology 
altogether, 
> > > will 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > work through input 9/10.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger 
two 
> > > > sounds 
> > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type 
triggers 
> > for 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > pad 
> > > > > > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch 
type 
> > > > trigger 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 
9/10 
> > are 
> > > > > > actually 
> > > > > > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses 
two 

> > PIEZO 
> > > > > > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > > > > > There is a post that more fully explains this 
> distinction. 
> > > > > Anybody 
> > > > > > > remember the message number?
> > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > >

> Why don't you try a new Subject heading: "Which stereo cymbals can 
> be used with PCY10"?
ok i try ;-)

--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Stephane,
> 
> Sorry, I forgot about your PCY10. You may have to stay with the 
> Yamaha, which is not a bad cymbal at all. The Hart ECX series is 
> slightly similar in appearance, but I'm not sure that the chokable 
> crashes will also work as effective rides. I've never used them. 
The 
> 18" ride is dual zone, which wouldn't be any help to you. 
> 
> Am I right that you are from France? If you were from the US, I'd 
> recommend that you contact Ed or Charlotte Morin at the web store 
> called Drumbalaya (http://www.drumbalaya.com/), who could tell you 
> your best option and sell it to you at a good price. They have an 
> email address (and phone number) somewhere on their site. But you 
> may have closer resources if you are in Europe.
> 
> Why don't you try a new Subject heading: "Which stereo cymbals can 
> be used with PCY10"?
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > Hi Ed , the Pintech Zenbal ZB2 seem real good but i i wanted to 
> add a 
> > PCY10 to play bell and with the Pintech Zenbal ZB2 it's not 
> possible 
> > to add that because she already have a "false" bell :-(
> > Stephane
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > Hi Stephane,
> > > 
> > > I agree that the Yamahas don't always respond to what appears 
to 
> be 
> > > a good hit, but all rim switches can be a little finicky. My 
> > > favorite reasonably priced stereo cymbal at this point is 
easily 
> > the 
> > > Pintech Zenbal ZB2.  As with all stereo cymbals, the ZB2's rim 
> can 
> > > serve as a crash while its body serves as a ride (and it 
> swings). 
> > It 
> > > tracks very well. Another stereo cymbal at about the same 
price, 
> > > though 2 inches smaller, is the Roland CY6. For me, though, the 
> CY6 
> > > works better as two separate crashes than as a crash and a 
ride. 
> It 
> > > doesn't have a raised rim like the Yamaha or the Pintech 
> stereos, 
> > > but the edge requires a little practice to hit effectively with 
> the 
> > > shaft of a stick. Until you master the technique, you can 
> sometimes 
> > > get the bow sound (or no sound at all) when you want the edge 
> > sound. 
> > > (Don't forget that you can also use a stereo snare/tom pad like 
> the 
> > > Yamaha TP80s, the Pintech SE102, or the Roland PD9 as a 
> ride/crash 
> > > as well.) I hope your dealer carries a selection that you can 
> try. 
> > > Hopefully, others will respond to this post, and you can get 
the 
> > > benefit of the group's wide range of experience.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > Great ;-)) , before i buy the PCY80S cymbal and as i have 
time 
> to 
> > > > time problem with that pad ( edge don't react time to time 
but 
> > not 
> > > > enough to prouve that to my seller ) is there a better pad 
> > > cymbal ? i 
> > > > read post about pintech but i gonna use this pad as 
ride/crash 
> > and 
> > > > the way pintech place the second zone ... i prefer the crash 
> on 
> > > the 
> > > > edge of the pad , any suggestion ? 
> > > > stephane 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > Right. If you plug the PCY80s into the input that had your 
> > > crash, 
> > > > > you'll get the full effect of rim, bow, and choke.  The 
> PCY10 
> > > can 
> > > > go 
> > > > > into 9/10, and with a splitter, you can add another mono 
pad 
> of 
> > > > your 
> > > > > choice. Have fun.
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "dopmi" <mapod@w...> wrote:
> > > > > > so i can use the input of my past crash for a new PCY80S 
> and 
> > > the 
> > > > > 9/10 
> > > > > > input for the bell PCY10 , and even if i use a splitter 
> buy 
> > > > > another 
> > > > > > pad ? ( seem yes but i just want to be sure before buy 
all 
> > > that ;-
> > > > )
> > > > > > Stephane 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Someone can run a search for the post of the various 
> > > triggers 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > their corresponding inputs (it actually derived from 
one 

> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > > > electronic drum sites) if they feel the need, but 
> > > > hairytrigger's 
> > > > > > > reply pretty much says it all. A pad with a rim switch 
> and 
> > a 
> > > > > piezo 
> > > > > > > trigger--in other words, a stereo pad--is not the same 
> as a 
> > > > dual-
> > > > > > > zone or dual-mono pad, like the ones I mentioned in the 
> > > Zenbal 
> > > > > > post. 
> > > > > > > The rim switch, which is a different technology 
> altogether, 
> > > > will 
> > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > work through input 9/10.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Inputs 1 thru 8 are STEREO inputs. They will trigger 
> two 
> > > > > sounds 
> > > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > > STEREO pads. Stereo pads use two different type 
> triggers 
> > > for 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > pad 
> > > > > > > > and rim. A piezo transduder for the pad and a switch 
> type 
> > > > > trigger 
> > > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > the rim. PCY80S uses this type arrangement. Inputs 
> 9/10 
> > > are 
> > > > > > > actually 
> > > > > > > > two MONO inputs. You can use a DUAL pad, which uses 
> two 
> > > PIEZO 
> > > > > > > > triggers, or with a splitter, two separate mono pads.
> > > > > > > > There is a post that more fully explains this 
> > distinction. 
> > > > > > Anybody 
> > > > > > > > remember the message number?
> > > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > > >