Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi Jade, 

I comment briefly below your questions:
> Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was playing 
today, 
> and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I noticed my bass 
> drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the volume down, 
and 
> that helps a little.  What may also have been happening was I 
might 
> be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from my cymbal 
> (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be working on the 
> settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop this.  I am 
> running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.

Are you listening to the DTX through the Peavey? It should be able 
to handle the signals without distortion if it's all right. If you 
still get the distortion when you plug the phones directly into the 
DTX module, the phones might be at fault--probably a loose 
connection or a blown can.  Crosstalk is neither static nor a high-
pitched squeal; crosstalk sounds exactly like the voice on the 
affected pad, only fainter (in most cases). Static and squeal 
suggest that something electronic is malfunctioning (squeal could be 
feedback; do you have an open mike on the Peavey?). If you 
disconnect the Peavey completely and rely solely on the DTX module 
for all sound reproduction, do the naughty sounds go away? If so, 
the Peavey is probably the culprit.

> So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my shoe...all I need 
> is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and what about 
the 
> GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have these both set to 
1 
> and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not triggering, and 
> changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't trigger.  Had to 
> change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and Iwill keep 
> adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with the HH-snare-
> BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will help eliminate 
> some of these problems...Jade 

Rejection settings of 1 will not reject anything. If the snare sings 
when you hit the hi hat, you must reject the hi hat specifically 
from the snare (and/or vice versa)--most likely, in the 4 to 7 
range, but maybe lower depending on your gain and min. vel. 
settings. If the snare drops out when you hit it simultaneously with 
the hi hat (or vice versa), then its specific rejection is set too 
high to make its own noise. You have to find the mutually compatible 
settings that allow your pads to work together. 

Are you trying to get as loud as possible? Are you tweaking too much 
without understanding the consequences? Start simple. Bring your 
gains down to 60 or 70; your min. vels. to 40 or so; your rejections 
to about 4--just to get started. You can fine-tune when you get the 
feel of everything. Get two crosstalking pads in sync and then move 
to another pair. I agree with your earlier observation: You have to 
get more comfortable with the DTX's characteristics before you start 
adding something like the midiKITI to your miseries. You have too 
much going on at once. This caveat applies to the future Visu-lite 
hi hat as well. It will certainly not make things easier for you if 
they aren't easy now. Be patient. Ask simple questions. Know what 
every basic function does. And before you know it, you'll be able to 
handle any contingency.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > OK Jade,
> > 
> > Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts down
> > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > having a time with my 
> > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point
> > > WHERE this static 
> > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > > happen if and when 
> > > all three are triggered at the same time...so how do
> > > I set 
> > > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > > what?  It sounds 
> > > confusing. 
> > 
> > OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers me
> > because the rejection settings really prevent you from
> > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and you
> > hear the tom just below it also sound off.  Tweaking
> > the rejection settings can help that problem.  The key
> > here is that you will hear another pad's sound, not
> > static.     Before we go to much further on this one,
> > can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> > instead of just using that word to describe something
> > not working right?  
> >  
> > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on
> > > that trigger map 
> > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know
> > > about this kit.  I 
> > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > > box, as I still 
> > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > 
> > Don't we all!
> > 
> > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll
> > > get the hang of 
> > > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> > 
> > We all had a first time!
> > 
> > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
> > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn
> > > what the DTX is 
> > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > patience. 
> > 
> > Ed is blushing!!!
> > 
> >  That being 
> > > said...here goes...
> > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > > over?
> > 
> > The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> > different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> > assign one sound to each of the HH functions (open,
> > close, splash, foot close).  
> > 
> > 
> > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most
> > > of my pads set 
> > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY,
> > > what does this 
> > > mean or do?
> > 
> > Again, the short answer is that because all of the HH
> > functions are set to the same Alternate Group )AltG),
> > only one of them will sound at a time.  For example,
> > you can't have to Open and close sounds play together,
> > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will stop
> > the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> > instead.  
> > 
> > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen
> > > if I turned it on?
> > 
> > The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> > again.
> > 
> > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it
> > > is enabled?
> > 
> > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards - a
> > Key On is what happens when you press down a key on a
> > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start something
> > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep holding
> > that key down, the thing you started should continue. 
> > Key Off is what happens when you release the key, and
> > usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> > when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in terms
> > of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to wonder
> > 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> > voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are like
> > digital recordings of real drums, and they do not go
> > on forever, so this parameter doesn't really impact
> > them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX that
> > if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> > playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press the
> > Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> > 
> > > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this
> > > do?
> > 
> > You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control the
> > playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> > control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the other
> > stuff in  the manual.
> > 
> > > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > > certain pad, that one 
> > > of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?
> > 
> > Yup
> > 
> > > AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only
> > > programmed for 2 
> > > voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I
> > > saw that there was 
> > > a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as
> > > settings 
> > > for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean
> > > I have to have 
> > > settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for
> > > dual or triple 
> > > zone pads like the TP80S?
> > 
> > Most likely, User kits are usually based on predefined
> > kits, and they usually have sounds assigned for all of
> > the pads.  The DTX is set up for 2 voices (V=1 or 2)
> > per pad, except for the HH as we talked about above,
> > and another voice for those pads that have Rim
> > triggers (the R in Tom1R or OpenR)
> > 
> > > Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the
> > > saved settings 
> > > for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved
> > > them to INPUT 8 
> > > does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings
> > > or does it have 
> > > the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  
> > 
> > You can use this to save just the voice settings.  If
> > you are in a User Kit, that's where they'll go.  It
> > does not save the entire user kit, that is done on the
> > main panel via the save function.  You can also use
> > this to copy your voice settings to another pad - an
> > easy way to make a carbon copy of them.  
> > 
> > AND WHERE
> > > is input 8?  How 
> > > do I acess that input?  
> > 
> > You can't - you can only access it via Open, OpenR,
> > Close, CloseR, Splash and Foot Close - in other words,
> > the HH functions.
> > 
> > 
> > Am I making this too
> > > complicated?
> > > Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under
> > > some of the 
> > > explanations for some of these things asked,there is
> > > only given 
> > > vague 
> > > information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom
> > > kit by 
> > > experimenting. I am having enough trouble with
> > > rejection, gain and 
> > > all.
> > > 
> > > Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set
> > > high or low, I 
> > > have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting
> > > cross talk?
> > > Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and
> > > patience with me!!!
> > > Jade:)
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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