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Rejection Question..and a few more

Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@yahoo.com>

I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am having a time with my 
snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point WHERE this static 
sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to happen if and when 
all three are triggered at the same time...so how do I set 
rejections on all three, and what input rejects what?  It sounds 
confusing.  
Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on that trigger map 
sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know about this kit.  I 
wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra cymbals and pads, 
but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's box, as I still 
have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!!  Well...ok...that's how I 
mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll get the hang of 
this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
  It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn what the DTX is 
all about. Many thanks for your guidance and patience.  That being 
said...here goes...
Some of the note numbers are all used up, specifically my HH. In V=1 
my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes taken"...HOW can I 
reverse that, or delete it from memory and start over?
What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most of my pads set 
on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY, what does this 
mean or do?
HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen if I turned it on?
KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it is enabled?
FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this do?
This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a certain pad, that one 
of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?
AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only programmed for 2 
voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I saw that there was 
a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as settings 
for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean I have to have 
settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for dual or triple 
zone pads like the TP80S?
Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the saved settings 
for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved them to INPUT 8 
does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings or does it have 
the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  AND WHERE is input 8?  How 
do I acess that input?  Am I making this too complicated?
Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under some of the 
explanations for some of these things asked,there is only given 
vague 
information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom kit by 
experimenting. I am having enough trouble with rejection, gain and 
all.

Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set high or low, I 
have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting cross talk?
Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and patience with me!!!
Jade:)

Re: [DTXpress] Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by Walt

OK Jade,

Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts down
-   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
--- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@...>"
<jadiebooshkie@...> wrote:
> I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> having a time with my 
> snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point
> WHERE this static 
> sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> happen if and when 
> all three are triggered at the same time...so how do
> I set 
> rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> what?  It sounds 
> confusing. 

OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers me
because the rejection settings really prevent you from
hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and you
hear the tom just below it also sound off.  Tweaking
the rejection settings can help that problem.  The key
here is that you will hear another pad's sound, not
static.     Before we go to much further on this one,
can you verify that you're really hearing static,
instead of just using that word to describe something
not working right?  
 
> Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on
> that trigger map 
> sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know
> about this kit.  I 
> wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> cymbals and pads, 
> but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> box, as I still 
> have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 

Don't we all!

> Well...ok...that's how I 
> mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll
> get the hang of 
> this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!

We all had a first time!

>   It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
> that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn
> what the DTX is 
> all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> patience. 

Ed is blushing!!!

 That being 
> said...here goes...
> Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> specifically my HH. In V=1 
> my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> taken"...HOW can I 
> reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> over?

The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
different from the rest of the pads - you can only
assign one sound to each of the HH functions (open,
close, splash, foot close).  


> What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most
> of my pads set 
> on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY,
> what does this 
> mean or do?

Again, the short answer is that because all of the HH
functions are set to the same Alternate Group )AltG),
only one of them will sound at a time.  For example,
you can't have to Open and close sounds play together,
that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will stop
the open sound and start playing the closed sound
instead.  

> HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen
> if I turned it on?

The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
again.

> KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it
> is enabled?

MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards - a
Key On is what happens when you press down a key on a
keyboard.  Usually you want this to start something
(like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep holding
that key down, the thing you started should continue. 
Key Off is what happens when you release the key, and
usually you want that to stop whatever you started
when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in terms
of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to wonder
'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are like
digital recordings of real drums, and they do not go
on forever, so this parameter doesn't really impact
them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX that
if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press the
Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  

> FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this
> do?

You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control the
playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the other
stuff in  the manual.

> This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> certain pad, that one 
> of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?

Yup

> AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only
> programmed for 2 
> voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I
> saw that there was 
> a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as
> settings 
> for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean
> I have to have 
> settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for
> dual or triple 
> zone pads like the TP80S?

Most likely, User kits are usually based on predefined
kits, and they usually have sounds assigned for all of
the pads.  The DTX is set up for 2 voices (V=1 or 2)
per pad, except for the HH as we talked about above,
and another voice for those pads that have Rim
triggers (the R in Tom1R or OpenR)

> Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the
> saved settings 
> for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved
> them to INPUT 8 
> does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings
> or does it have 
> the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  

You can use this to save just the voice settings.  If
you are in a User Kit, that's where they'll go.  It
does not save the entire user kit, that is done on the
main panel via the save function.  You can also use
this to copy your voice settings to another pad - an
easy way to make a carbon copy of them.  

AND WHERE
> is input 8?  How 
> do I acess that input?  

You can't - you can only access it via Open, OpenR,
Close, CloseR, Splash and Foot Close - in other words,
the HH functions.


Am I making this too
> complicated?
> Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under
> some of the 
> explanations for some of these things asked,there is
> only given 
> vague 
> information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom
> kit by 
> experimenting. I am having enough trouble with
> rejection, gain and 
> all.
> 
> Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set
> high or low, I 
> have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting
> cross talk?
> Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and
> patience with me!!!
> Jade:)
> 
> 

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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@yahoo.com>

Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was playing today, 
and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I noticed my bass 
drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the volume down, and 
that helps a little.  What may also have been happening was I might 
be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from my cymbal 
(crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be working on the 
settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop this.  I am 
running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my shoe...all I need 
is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and what about the 
GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have these both set to 1 
and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not triggering, and 
changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't trigger.  Had to 
change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and Iwill keep 
adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with the HH-snare-
BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will help eliminate 
some of these problems...Jade 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> OK Jade,
> 
> Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts down
> -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > having a time with my 
> > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point
> > WHERE this static 
> > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > happen if and when 
> > all three are triggered at the same time...so how do
> > I set 
> > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > what?  It sounds 
> > confusing. 
> 
> OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers me
> because the rejection settings really prevent you from
> hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and you
> hear the tom just below it also sound off.  Tweaking
> the rejection settings can help that problem.  The key
> here is that you will hear another pad's sound, not
> static.     Before we go to much further on this one,
> can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> instead of just using that word to describe something
> not working right?  
>  
> > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on
> > that trigger map 
> > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know
> > about this kit.  I 
> > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > cymbals and pads, 
> > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > box, as I still 
> > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> 
> Don't we all!
> 
> > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll
> > get the hang of 
> > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> 
> We all had a first time!
> 
> >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
> > that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn
> > what the DTX is 
> > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > patience. 
> 
> Ed is blushing!!!
> 
>  That being 
> > said...here goes...
> > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > taken"...HOW can I 
> > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > over?
> 
> The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> assign one sound to each of the HH functions (open,
> close, splash, foot close).  
> 
> 
> > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most
> > of my pads set 
> > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY,
> > what does this 
> > mean or do?
> 
> Again, the short answer is that because all of the HH
> functions are set to the same Alternate Group )AltG),
> only one of them will sound at a time.  For example,
> you can't have to Open and close sounds play together,
> that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will stop
> the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> instead.  
> 
> > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen
> > if I turned it on?
> 
> The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> again.
> 
> > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it
> > is enabled?
> 
> MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards - a
> Key On is what happens when you press down a key on a
> keyboard.  Usually you want this to start something
> (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep holding
> that key down, the thing you started should continue. 
> Key Off is what happens when you release the key, and
> usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in terms
> of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to wonder
> 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are like
> digital recordings of real drums, and they do not go
> on forever, so this parameter doesn't really impact
> them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX that
> if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press the
> Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> 
> > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this
> > do?
> 
> You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control the
> playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the other
> stuff in  the manual.
> 
> > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > certain pad, that one 
> > of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?
> 
> Yup
> 
> > AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only
> > programmed for 2 
> > voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I
> > saw that there was 
> > a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as
> > settings 
> > for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean
> > I have to have 
> > settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for
> > dual or triple 
> > zone pads like the TP80S?
> 
> Most likely, User kits are usually based on predefined
> kits, and they usually have sounds assigned for all of
> the pads.  The DTX is set up for 2 voices (V=1 or 2)
> per pad, except for the HH as we talked about above,
> and another voice for those pads that have Rim
> triggers (the R in Tom1R or OpenR)
> 
> > Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the
> > saved settings 
> > for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved
> > them to INPUT 8 
> > does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings
> > or does it have 
> > the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  
> 
> You can use this to save just the voice settings.  If
> you are in a User Kit, that's where they'll go.  It
> does not save the entire user kit, that is done on the
> main panel via the save function.  You can also use
> this to copy your voice settings to another pad - an
> easy way to make a carbon copy of them.  
> 
> AND WHERE
> > is input 8?  How 
> > do I acess that input?  
> 
> You can't - you can only access it via Open, OpenR,
> Close, CloseR, Splash and Foot Close - in other words,
> the HH functions.
> 
> 
> Am I making this too
> > complicated?
> > Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under
> > some of the 
> > explanations for some of these things asked,there is
> > only given 
> > vague 
> > information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom
> > kit by 
> > experimenting. I am having enough trouble with
> > rejection, gain and 
> > all.
> > 
> > Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set
> > high or low, I 
> > have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting
> > cross talk?
> > Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and
> > patience with me!!!
> > Jade:)
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [DTXpress] Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by Walt

Hi Jade,

I think, based on your description, I would be looking
for something like a bad cable, or something being
over modulated - if it turns out that crosstalk is
causing a high pitched squeal, it'll be the first time
I have seen that!  Here's a thought on how you might
be able to further isolate it.  If you have a pair of
open line level outputs on your mixer, and you have at
least a half way decent recorder (cassette type would
work), try recording while you're playing.  When you
hear the distortion rewind the tape and see if it is
there.  If not, then take those headphones out back
and nuke 'em!  If you do hear it, then try to record
from the back of the module.  If you hear it there,
don't nuke the module, but that at least proves it's
not the headphones. 

There are times I would like to be able to layer the
HH, because I don't like the options available as they
are, but since we're stuck with one voice, I too live
with it.  

On rejection and sensitivity, take a look at post #
2391, as well as the thread that post # 2572 is part
of...

Walt
--- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@...>"
<jadiebooshkie@...> wrote:
> Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was
> playing today, 
> and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> noticed my bass 
> drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the
> volume down, and 
> that helps a little.  What may also have been
> happening was I might 
> be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from
> my cymbal 
> (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be
> working on the 
> settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop
> this.  I am 
> running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> shoe...all I need 
> is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and
> what about the 
> GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> these both set to 1 
> and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> triggering, and 
> changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> trigger.  Had to 
> change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and
> Iwill keep 
> adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with
> the HH-snare-
> BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will
> help eliminate 
> some of these problems...Jade 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> wrote:
> > OK Jade,
> > 
> > Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts
> down
> > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > having a time with my 
> > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> point
> > > WHERE this static 
> > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > > happen if and when 
> > > all three are triggered at the same time...so
> how do
> > > I set 
> > > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > > what?  It sounds 
> > > confusing. 
> > 
> > OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers
> me
> > because the rejection settings really prevent you
> from
> > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and
> you
> > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> Tweaking
> > the rejection settings can help that problem.  The
> key
> > here is that you will hear another pad's sound,
> not
> > static.     Before we go to much further on this
> one,
> > can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> > instead of just using that word to describe
> something
> > not working right?  
> >  
> > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings
> on
> > > that trigger map 
> > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> know
> > > about this kit.  I 
> > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > > box, as I still 
> > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > 
> > Don't we all!
> > 
> > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems!
> I'll
> > > get the hang of 
> > > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> > 
> > We all had a first time!
> > 
> > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> forum 
> > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally
> learn
> > > what the DTX is 
> > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > patience. 
> > 
> > Ed is blushing!!!
> > 
> >  That being 
> > > said...here goes...
> > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > > over?
> > 
> > The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> > different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> > assign one sound to each of the HH functions
> (open,
> > close, splash, foot close).  
> > 
> > 
> > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have
> most
> > > of my pads set 
> > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on
> POLY,
> > > what does this 
> > > mean or do?
> > 
> > Again, the short answer is that because all of the
> HH
> > functions are set to the same Alternate Group
> )AltG),
> > only one of them will sound at a time.  For
> example,
> > you can't have to Open and close sounds play
> together,
> > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will
> stop
> > the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> > instead.  
> > 
> > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would
> happen
> > > if I turned it on?
> > 
> > The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> > again.
> > 
> > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if
> it
> > > is enabled?
> > 
> > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards -
> a
> > Key On is what happens when you press down a key
> on a
> > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start
> something
> > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep
> holding
> > that key down, the thing you started should
> continue. 
> > Key Off is what happens when you release the key,
> and
> > usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> > when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in
> terms
> > of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to
> wonder
> > 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> > voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are
> like
> > digital recordings of real drums, and they do not
> go
> > on forever, so this parameter doesn't really
> impact
> > them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX
> that
> > if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> > playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press
> the
> > Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> > 
> > > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's
> this
> > > do?
> > 
> > You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control
> the
> > playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> > control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the
> other
> > stuff in  the manual.
> > 
> > > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > > certain pad, that one 
> 
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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Hi Jade, 

I comment briefly below your questions:
> Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was playing 
today, 
> and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I noticed my bass 
> drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the volume down, 
and 
> that helps a little.  What may also have been happening was I 
might 
> be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from my cymbal 
> (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be working on the 
> settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop this.  I am 
> running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.

Are you listening to the DTX through the Peavey? It should be able 
to handle the signals without distortion if it's all right. If you 
still get the distortion when you plug the phones directly into the 
DTX module, the phones might be at fault--probably a loose 
connection or a blown can.  Crosstalk is neither static nor a high-
pitched squeal; crosstalk sounds exactly like the voice on the 
affected pad, only fainter (in most cases). Static and squeal 
suggest that something electronic is malfunctioning (squeal could be 
feedback; do you have an open mike on the Peavey?). If you 
disconnect the Peavey completely and rely solely on the DTX module 
for all sound reproduction, do the naughty sounds go away? If so, 
the Peavey is probably the culprit.

> So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my shoe...all I need 
> is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and what about 
the 
> GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have these both set to 
1 
> and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not triggering, and 
> changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't trigger.  Had to 
> change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and Iwill keep 
> adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with the HH-snare-
> BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will help eliminate 
> some of these problems...Jade 

Rejection settings of 1 will not reject anything. If the snare sings 
when you hit the hi hat, you must reject the hi hat specifically 
from the snare (and/or vice versa)--most likely, in the 4 to 7 
range, but maybe lower depending on your gain and min. vel. 
settings. If the snare drops out when you hit it simultaneously with 
the hi hat (or vice versa), then its specific rejection is set too 
high to make its own noise. You have to find the mutually compatible 
settings that allow your pads to work together. 

Are you trying to get as loud as possible? Are you tweaking too much 
without understanding the consequences? Start simple. Bring your 
gains down to 60 or 70; your min. vels. to 40 or so; your rejections 
to about 4--just to get started. You can fine-tune when you get the 
feel of everything. Get two crosstalking pads in sync and then move 
to another pair. I agree with your earlier observation: You have to 
get more comfortable with the DTX's characteristics before you start 
adding something like the midiKITI to your miseries. You have too 
much going on at once. This caveat applies to the future Visu-lite 
hi hat as well. It will certainly not make things easier for you if 
they aren't easy now. Be patient. Ask simple questions. Know what 
every basic function does. And before you know it, you'll be able to 
handle any contingency.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > OK Jade,
> > 
> > Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts down
> > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > having a time with my 
> > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point
> > > WHERE this static 
> > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > > happen if and when 
> > > all three are triggered at the same time...so how do
> > > I set 
> > > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > > what?  It sounds 
> > > confusing. 
> > 
> > OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers me
> > because the rejection settings really prevent you from
> > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and you
> > hear the tom just below it also sound off.  Tweaking
> > the rejection settings can help that problem.  The key
> > here is that you will hear another pad's sound, not
> > static.     Before we go to much further on this one,
> > can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> > instead of just using that word to describe something
> > not working right?  
> >  
> > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on
> > > that trigger map 
> > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know
> > > about this kit.  I 
> > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > > box, as I still 
> > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > 
> > Don't we all!
> > 
> > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll
> > > get the hang of 
> > > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> > 
> > We all had a first time!
> > 
> > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
> > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn
> > > what the DTX is 
> > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > patience. 
> > 
> > Ed is blushing!!!
> > 
> >  That being 
> > > said...here goes...
> > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > > over?
> > 
> > The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> > different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> > assign one sound to each of the HH functions (open,
> > close, splash, foot close).  
> > 
> > 
> > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most
> > > of my pads set 
> > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY,
> > > what does this 
> > > mean or do?
> > 
> > Again, the short answer is that because all of the HH
> > functions are set to the same Alternate Group )AltG),
> > only one of them will sound at a time.  For example,
> > you can't have to Open and close sounds play together,
> > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will stop
> > the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> > instead.  
> > 
> > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen
> > > if I turned it on?
> > 
> > The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> > again.
> > 
> > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it
> > > is enabled?
> > 
> > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards - a
> > Key On is what happens when you press down a key on a
> > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start something
> > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep holding
> > that key down, the thing you started should continue. 
> > Key Off is what happens when you release the key, and
> > usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> > when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in terms
> > of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to wonder
> > 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> > voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are like
> > digital recordings of real drums, and they do not go
> > on forever, so this parameter doesn't really impact
> > them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX that
> > if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> > playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press the
> > Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> > 
> > > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this
> > > do?
> > 
> > You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control the
> > playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> > control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the other
> > stuff in  the manual.
> > 
> > > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > > certain pad, that one 
> > > of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?
> > 
> > Yup
> > 
> > > AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only
> > > programmed for 2 
> > > voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I
> > > saw that there was 
> > > a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as
> > > settings 
> > > for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean
> > > I have to have 
> > > settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for
> > > dual or triple 
> > > zone pads like the TP80S?
> > 
> > Most likely, User kits are usually based on predefined
> > kits, and they usually have sounds assigned for all of
> > the pads.  The DTX is set up for 2 voices (V=1 or 2)
> > per pad, except for the HH as we talked about above,
> > and another voice for those pads that have Rim
> > triggers (the R in Tom1R or OpenR)
> > 
> > > Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the
> > > saved settings 
> > > for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved
> > > them to INPUT 8 
> > > does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings
> > > or does it have 
> > > the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  
> > 
> > You can use this to save just the voice settings.  If
> > you are in a User Kit, that's where they'll go.  It
> > does not save the entire user kit, that is done on the
> > main panel via the save function.  You can also use
> > this to copy your voice settings to another pad - an
> > easy way to make a carbon copy of them.  
> > 
> > AND WHERE
> > > is input 8?  How 
> > > do I acess that input?  
> > 
> > You can't - you can only access it via Open, OpenR,
> > Close, CloseR, Splash and Foot Close - in other words,
> > the HH functions.
> > 
> > 
> > Am I making this too
> > > complicated?
> > > Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under
> > > some of the 
> > > explanations for some of these things asked,there is
> > > only given 
> > > vague 
> > > information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom
> > > kit by 
> > > experimenting. I am having enough trouble with
> > > rejection, gain and 
> > > all.
> > > 
> > > Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set
> > > high or low, I 
> > > have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting
> > > cross talk?
> > > Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and
> > > patience with me!!!
> > > Jade:)
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Walt,

We have to stop meeting like this. Between us, something reasonably 
intelligent has to emerge.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi Jade,
> 
> I think, based on your description, I would be looking
> for something like a bad cable, or something being
> over modulated - if it turns out that crosstalk is
> causing a high pitched squeal, it'll be the first time
> I have seen that!  Here's a thought on how you might
> be able to further isolate it.  If you have a pair of
> open line level outputs on your mixer, and you have at
> least a half way decent recorder (cassette type would
> work), try recording while you're playing.  When you
> hear the distortion rewind the tape and see if it is
> there.  If not, then take those headphones out back
> and nuke 'em!  If you do hear it, then try to record
> from the back of the module.  If you hear it there,
> don't nuke the module, but that at least proves it's
> not the headphones. 
> 
> There are times I would like to be able to layer the
> HH, because I don't like the options available as they
> are, but since we're stuck with one voice, I too live
> with it.  
> 
> On rejection and sensitivity, take a look at post #
> 2391, as well as the thread that post # 2572 is part
> of...
> 
> Walt
> --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was
> > playing today, 
> > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> > noticed my bass 
> > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the
> > volume down, and 
> > that helps a little.  What may also have been
> > happening was I might 
> > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from
> > my cymbal 
> > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be
> > working on the 
> > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop
> > this.  I am 
> > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> > shoe...all I need 
> > is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and
> > what about the 
> > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> > these both set to 1 
> > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> > triggering, and 
> > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> > trigger.  Had to 
> > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and
> > Iwill keep 
> > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with
> > the HH-snare-
> > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will
> > help eliminate 
> > some of these problems...Jade 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > OK Jade,
> > > 
> > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts
> > down
> > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > > having a time with my 
> > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> > point
> > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > > > happen if and when 
> > > > all three are triggered at the same time...so
> > how do
> > > > I set 
> > > > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > confusing. 
> > > 
> > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers
> > me
> > > because the rejection settings really prevent you
> > from
> > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and
> > you
> > > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> > Tweaking
> > > the rejection settings can help that problem.  The
> > key
> > > here is that you will hear another pad's sound,
> > not
> > > static.     Before we go to much further on this
> > one,
> > > can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> > > instead of just using that word to describe
> > something
> > > not working right?  
> > >  
> > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings
> > on
> > > > that trigger map 
> > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> > know
> > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > > > box, as I still 
> > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > 
> > > Don't we all!
> > > 
> > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems!
> > I'll
> > > > get the hang of 
> > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> > > 
> > > We all had a first time!
> > > 
> > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> > forum 
> > > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally
> > learn
> > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > patience. 
> > > 
> > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > 
> > >  That being 
> > > > said...here goes...
> > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > > > over?
> > > 
> > > The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> > > different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> > > assign one sound to each of the HH functions
> > (open,
> > > close, splash, foot close).  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have
> > most
> > > > of my pads set 
> > > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on
> > POLY,
> > > > what does this 
> > > > mean or do?
> > > 
> > > Again, the short answer is that because all of the
> > HH
> > > functions are set to the same Alternate Group
> > )AltG),
> > > only one of them will sound at a time.  For
> > example,
> > > you can't have to Open and close sounds play
> > together,
> > > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will
> > stop
> > > the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> > > instead.  
> > > 
> > > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would
> > happen
> > > > if I turned it on?
> > > 
> > > The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> > > again.
> > > 
> > > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if
> > it
> > > > is enabled?
> > > 
> > > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards -
> > a
> > > Key On is what happens when you press down a key
> > on a
> > > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start
> > something
> > > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep
> > holding
> > > that key down, the thing you started should
> > continue. 
> > > Key Off is what happens when you release the key,
> > and
> > > usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> > > when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in
> > terms
> > > of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to
> > wonder
> > > 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> > > voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are
> > like
> > > digital recordings of real drums, and they do not
> > go
> > > on forever, so this parameter doesn't really
> > impact
> > > them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX
> > that
> > > if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> > > playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press
> > the
> > > Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> > > 
> > > > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's
> > this
> > > > do?
> > > 
> > > You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control
> > the
> > > playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> > > control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the
> > other
> > > stuff in  the manual.
> > > 
> > > > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > > > certain pad, that one 
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
> http://shopping.yahoo.com

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-14 by Walt

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Walt,
> 
> We have to stop meeting like this. Between us,
> something reasonably 
> intelligent has to emerge.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Jade,
> > 
> > I think, based on your description, I would be
> looking
> > for something like a bad cable, or something being
> > over modulated - if it turns out that crosstalk is
> > causing a high pitched squeal, it'll be the first
> time
> > I have seen that!  Here's a thought on how you
> might
> > be able to further isolate it.  If you have a pair
> of
> > open line level outputs on your mixer, and you
> have at
> > least a half way decent recorder (cassette type
> would
> > work), try recording while you're playing.  When
> you
> > hear the distortion rewind the tape and see if it
> is
> > there.  If not, then take those headphones out
> back
> > and nuke 'em!  If you do hear it, then try to
> record
> > from the back of the module.  If you hear it
> there,
> > don't nuke the module, but that at least proves
> it's
> > not the headphones. 
> > 
> > There are times I would like to be able to layer
> the
> > HH, because I don't like the options available as
> they
> > are, but since we're stuck with one voice, I too
> live
> > with it.  
> > 
> > On rejection and sensitivity, take a look at post
> #
> > 2391, as well as the thread that post # 2572 is
> part
> > of...
> > 
> > Walt
> > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I
> was
> > > playing today, 
> > > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> > > noticed my bass 
> > > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned
> the
> > > volume down, and 
> > > that helps a little.  What may also have been
> > > happening was I might 
> > > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit
> from
> > > my cymbal 
> > > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will
> be
> > > working on the 
> > > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can
> stop
> > > this.  I am 
> > > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> > > shoe...all I need 
> > > is ONE voice setting another voice is
> useless?...and
> > > what about the 
> > > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> > > these both set to 1 
> > > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> > > triggering, and 
> > > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> > > trigger.  Had to 
> > > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice,
> and
> > > Iwill keep 
> > > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is
> with
> > > the HH-snare-
> > > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs
> will
> > > help eliminate 
> > > some of these problems...Jade 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> <wgardus@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > OK Jade,
> > > > 
> > > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain
> melts
> > > down
> > > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I
> am
> > > > > having a time with my 
> > > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> > > point
> > > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems
> to
> > > > > happen if and when 
> > > > > all three are triggered at the same
> time...so
> > > how do
> > > > > I set 
> > > > > rejections on all three, and what input
> rejects
> > > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > > confusing. 
> > > > 
> > > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That
> bothers
> > > me
> > > > because the rejection settings really prevent
> you
> > > from
> > > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting
> that
> > > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash,
> and
> > > you
> > > > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> > > Tweaking
> > > > the rejection settings can help that problem. 
> The
> > > key
> > > > here is that you will hear another pad's
> sound,
> > > not
> > > > static.     Before we go to much further on
> this
> > > one,
> > > > can you verify that you're really hearing
> static,
> > > > instead of just using that word to describe
> > > something
> > > > not working right?  
> > > >  
> > > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit
> settings
> > > on
> > > > > that trigger map 
> > > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> > > know
> > > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the
> extra
> > > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a
> Pandora's
> > > > > box, as I still 
> > > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > > 
> > > > Don't we all!
> > > > 
> > > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > > mastered my computer...dealing with
> problems!
> > > I'll
> > > > > get the hang of 
> > > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast
> enough!
> > > > 
> > > > We all had a first time!
> > > > 
> > > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> > > forum 
> > > > > that help thick skulled folks like me
> finally
> > > learn
> > > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > > patience. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > > 
> > > >  That being 
> > > > > said...here goes...
> > > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all
> notes
> > > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> 
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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-15 by hairytrigger <artifax@internetcds.com>

Jade
I too have had some distortion from the DTX. I notice that when I play 
 certain kick drum sounds, especially with a crash, I will get some 
distortion. It is coming from the DTX. When I go thru a mixer, Even 
wwhen all levels are at unity gain or lower, it is still there. I have 
compensated by reducing the offending kick/crash levels, or changing 
voices. Most of my sounds are up near max volume in the unit, the 
loudest ones at 127, the others keyed off of them, down to about 100.
I have tried several headphones and mixer settings. It is the DTX!
Anybody else have similar clipping?

Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
<jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was playing today, 
> and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I noticed my bass 
> drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the volume down, and 
> that helps a little.  What may also have been happening was I might 
> be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from my cymbal 
> (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be working on the 
> settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop this.  I am 
> running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my shoe...all I need 
> is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and what about the 
> GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have these both set to 1 
> and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not triggering, and 
> changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't trigger.  Had to 
> change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and Iwill keep 
> adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with the HH-snare-
> BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will help eliminate 
> some of these problems...Jade 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > OK Jade,
> > 
> > Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts down
> > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > having a time with my 
> > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point
> > > WHERE this static 
> > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > > happen if and when 
> > > all three are triggered at the same time...so how do
> > > I set 
> > > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > > what?  It sounds 
> > > confusing. 
> > 
> > OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers me
> > because the rejection settings really prevent you from
> > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and you
> > hear the tom just below it also sound off.  Tweaking
> > the rejection settings can help that problem.  The key
> > here is that you will hear another pad's sound, not
> > static.     Before we go to much further on this one,
> > can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> > instead of just using that word to describe something
> > not working right?  
> >  
> > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on
> > > that trigger map 
> > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know
> > > about this kit.  I 
> > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > > box, as I still 
> > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > 
> > Don't we all!
> > 
> > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll
> > > get the hang of 
> > > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> > 
> > We all had a first time!
> > 
> > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
> > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn
> > > what the DTX is 
> > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > patience. 
> > 
> > Ed is blushing!!!
> > 
> >  That being 
> > > said...here goes...
> > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > > over?
> > 
> > The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> > different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> > assign one sound to each of the HH functions (open,
> > close, splash, foot close).  
> > 
> > 
> > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most
> > > of my pads set 
> > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY,
> > > what does this 
> > > mean or do?
> > 
> > Again, the short answer is that because all of the HH
> > functions are set to the same Alternate Group )AltG),
> > only one of them will sound at a time.  For example,
> > you can't have to Open and close sounds play together,
> > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will stop
> > the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> > instead.  
> > 
> > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen
> > > if I turned it on?
> > 
> > The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> > again.
> > 
> > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it
> > > is enabled?
> > 
> > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards - a
> > Key On is what happens when you press down a key on a
> > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start something
> > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep holding
> > that key down, the thing you started should continue. 
> > Key Off is what happens when you release the key, and
> > usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> > when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in terms
> > of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to wonder
> > 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> > voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are like
> > digital recordings of real drums, and they do not go
> > on forever, so this parameter doesn't really impact
> > them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX that
> > if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> > playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press the
> > Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> > 
> > > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this
> > > do?
> > 
> > You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control the
> > playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> > control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the other
> > stuff in  the manual.
> > 
> > > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > > certain pad, that one 
> > > of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?
> > 
> > Yup
> > 
> > > AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only
> > > programmed for 2 
> > > voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I
> > > saw that there was 
> > > a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as
> > > settings 
> > > for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean
> > > I have to have 
> > > settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for
> > > dual or triple 
> > > zone pads like the TP80S?
> > 
> > Most likely, User kits are usually based on predefined
> > kits, and they usually have sounds assigned for all of
> > the pads.  The DTX is set up for 2 voices (V=1 or 2)
> > per pad, except for the HH as we talked about above,
> > and another voice for those pads that have Rim
> > triggers (the R in Tom1R or OpenR)
> > 
> > > Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the
> > > saved settings 
> > > for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved
> > > them to INPUT 8 
> > > does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings
> > > or does it have 
> > > the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  
> > 
> > You can use this to save just the voice settings.  If
> > you are in a User Kit, that's where they'll go.  It
> > does not save the entire user kit, that is done on the
> > main panel via the save function.  You can also use
> > this to copy your voice settings to another pad - an
> > easy way to make a carbon copy of them.  
> > 
> > AND WHERE
> > > is input 8?  How 
> > > do I acess that input?  
> > 
> > You can't - you can only access it via Open, OpenR,
> > Close, CloseR, Splash and Foot Close - in other words,
> > the HH functions.
> > 
> > 
> > Am I making this too
> > > complicated?
> > > Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under
> > > some of the 
> > > explanations for some of these things asked,there is
> > > only given 
> > > vague 
> > > information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom
> > > kit by 
> > > experimenting. I am having enough trouble with
> > > rejection, gain and 
> > > all.
> > > 
> > > Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set
> > > high or low, I 
> > > have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting
> > > cross talk?
> > > Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and
> > > patience with me!!!
> > > Jade:)
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
> > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-15 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Scott,

Do you hear it when you run through a monitor, amp, or PA--that is, 
w/o phones?

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>" 
<artifax@i...> wrote:
> Jade
> I too have had some distortion from the DTX. I notice that when I 
play 
>  certain kick drum sounds, especially with a crash, I will get 
some 
> distortion. It is coming from the DTX. When I go thru a mixer, 
Even 
> wwhen all levels are at unity gain or lower, it is still there. I 
have 
> compensated by reducing the offending kick/crash levels, or 
changing 
> voices. Most of my sounds are up near max volume in the unit, the 
> loudest ones at 127, the others keyed off of them, down to about 
100.
> I have tried several headphones and mixer settings. It is the DTX!
> Anybody else have similar clipping?
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I was playing 
today, 
> > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I noticed my bass 
> > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the volume down, 
and 
> > that helps a little.  What may also have been happening was I 
might 
> > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit from my cymbal 
> > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be working on the 
> > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can stop this.  I am 
> > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my shoe...all I 
need 
> > is ONE voice setting another voice is useless?...and what about 
the 
> > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have these both set 
to 1 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not triggering, and 
> > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't trigger.  Had to 
> > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice, and Iwill keep 
> > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is with the HH-snare-
> > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will help eliminate 
> > some of these problems...Jade 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > > OK Jade,
> > > 
> > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain melts down
> > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > > having a time with my 
> > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin point
> > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems to
> > > > happen if and when 
> > > > all three are triggered at the same time...so how do
> > > > I set 
> > > > rejections on all three, and what input rejects
> > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > confusing. 
> > > 
> > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That bothers me
> > > because the rejection settings really prevent you from
> > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting that
> > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash, and you
> > > hear the tom just below it also sound off.  Tweaking
> > > the rejection settings can help that problem.  The key
> > > here is that you will hear another pad's sound, not
> > > static.     Before we go to much further on this one,
> > > can you verify that you're really hearing static,
> > > instead of just using that word to describe something
> > > not working right?  
> > >  
> > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings on
> > > > that trigger map 
> > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I know
> > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the extra
> > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a Pandora's
> > > > box, as I still 
> > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > 
> > > Don't we all!
> > > 
> > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems! I'll
> > > > get the hang of 
> > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast enough!
> > > 
> > > We all had a first time!
> > > 
> > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this forum 
> > > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally learn
> > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > patience. 
> > > 
> > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > 
> > >  That being 
> > > > said...here goes...
> > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and start
> > > > over?
> > > 
> > > The short answer is that the rules for the HH are
> > > different from the rest of the pads - you can only
> > > assign one sound to each of the HH functions (open,
> > > close, splash, foot close).  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have most
> > > > of my pads set 
> > > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on POLY,
> > > > what does this 
> > > > mean or do?
> > > 
> > > Again, the short answer is that because all of the HH
> > > functions are set to the same Alternate Group )AltG),
> > > only one of them will sound at a time.  For example,
> > > you can't have to Open and close sounds play together,
> > > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will stop
> > > the open sound and start playing the closed sound
> > > instead.  
> > > 
> > > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would happen
> > > > if I turned it on?
> > > 
> > > The sound will keep playing until you hit the pad
> > > again.
> > > 
> > > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen if it
> > > > is enabled?
> > > 
> > > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards - a
> > > Key On is what happens when you press down a key on a
> > > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start something
> > > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep holding
> > > that key down, the thing you started should continue. 
> > > Key Off is what happens when you release the key, and
> > > usually you want that to stop whatever you started
> > > when you pressed the key.  Now, if we think in terms
> > > of the DTX, that explanation may lead you to wonder
> > > 'if I have Key Off set to Disable, why don't the
> > > voices all keep playing'?  Most drum sounds are like
> > > digital recordings of real drums, and they do not go
> > > on forever, so this parameter doesn't really impact
> > > them. There are some keyboard voices in the DTX that
> > > if used, with Key Off set to disable, will keep on
> > > playing like the Enegizer Bunny, until you press the
> > > Shift and Voice keys on the DTX to stop them.  
> > > 
> > > > FUNCTION on all pads is set to NORMAL-what's this
> > > > do?
> > > 
> > > You can have pads play sounds (Normal), or control the
> > > playing of one of the internal songs (Pad Song),
> > > control the Click sound (Click On/Off), or the other
> > > stuff in  the manual.
> > > 
> > > > This PAD SONG thing-does that mean if I hit a
> > > > certain pad, that one 
> > > > of the preset songs in the DTX will start/stop?
> > > 
> > > Yup
> > > 
> > > > AND HERE'S A REAL GOOD ONE....I have "tom1" only
> > > > programmed for 2 
> > > > voices, when I got into mapping these settings, I
> > > > saw that there was 
> > > > a setting for "tom1R" and "tom2R" as well as
> > > > settings 
> > > > for "open", "openR", "close/closeR".  Does this mean
> > > > I have to have 
> > > > settings (voices) assigned to these, or are they for
> > > > dual or triple 
> > > > zone pads like the TP80S?
> > > 
> > > Most likely, User kits are usually based on predefined
> > > kits, and they usually have sounds assigned for all of
> > > the pads.  The DTX is set up for 2 voices (V=1 or 2)
> > > per pad, except for the HH as we talked about above,
> > > and another voice for those pads that have Rim
> > > triggers (the R in Tom1R or OpenR)
> > > 
> > > > Also what does "COPY TO INPUT" mean?  If I copy the
> > > > saved settings 
> > > > for say HH which is physically in input 8, and saved
> > > > them to INPUT 8 
> > > > does that mean input 8 has just my saved HH settings
> > > > or does it have 
> > > > the HH settings PLUS my saved user kit?  
> > > 
> > > You can use this to save just the voice settings.  If
> > > you are in a User Kit, that's where they'll go.  It
> > > does not save the entire user kit, that is done on the
> > > main panel via the save function.  You can also use
> > > this to copy your voice settings to another pad - an
> > > easy way to make a carbon copy of them.  
> > > 
> > > AND WHERE
> > > > is input 8?  How 
> > > > do I acess that input?  
> > > 
> > > You can't - you can only access it via Open, OpenR,
> > > Close, CloseR, Splash and Foot Close - in other words,
> > > the HH functions.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Am I making this too
> > > > complicated?
> > > > Iknow...I know...read the manuel!  I have, but under
> > > > some of the 
> > > > explanations for some of these things asked,there is
> > > > only given 
> > > > vague 
> > > > information.  I really don't wanna mess up my custom
> > > > kit by 
> > > > experimenting. I am having enough trouble with
> > > > rejection, gain and 
> > > > all.
> > > > 
> > > > Also..one more time on the HH...should GAIN be set
> > > > high or low, I 
> > > > have mine set at 20...could this be why I am getting
> > > > cross talk?
> > > > Appreciate all your help and suggestions, and
> > > > patience with me!!!
> > > > Jade:)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
> > > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-15 by jadeiebooshkie

Mine just started...but it may be my headphones, I am
gonna make some readjustments to see if that helps, if
not, then i don't know what to do but buy another set
of phones.....jade


--- "hairytrigger <artifax@...>"
<artifax@...> wrote:
> Jade
> I too have had some distortion from the DTX. I
> notice that when I play 
>  certain kick drum sounds, especially with a crash,
> I will get some 
> distortion. It is coming from the DTX. When I go
> thru a mixer, Even 
> wwhen all levels are at unity gain or lower, it is
> still there. I have 
> compensated by reducing the offending kick/crash
> levels, or changing 
> voices. Most of my sounds are up near max volume in
> the unit, the 
> loudest ones at 127, the others keyed off of them,
> down to about 100.
> I have tried several headphones and mixer settings.
> It is the DTX!
> Anybody else have similar clipping?
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I
> was playing today, 
> > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> noticed my bass 
> > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the
> volume down, and 
> > that helps a little.  What may also have been
> happening was I might 
> > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit
> from my cymbal 
> > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be
> working on the 
> > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can
> stop this.  I am 
> > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> shoe...all I need 
> > is ONE voice setting another voice is
> useless?...and what about the 
> > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> these both set to 1 
> > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> triggering, and 
> > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> trigger.  Had to 
> > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice,
> and Iwill keep 
> > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is
> with the HH-snare-
> > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will
> help eliminate 
> > some of these problems...Jade 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > > OK Jade,
> > > 
> > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain
> melts down
> > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > > having a time with my 
> > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> point
> > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems
> to
> > > > happen if and when 
> > > > all three are triggered at the same time...so
> how do
> > > > I set 
> > > > rejections on all three, and what input
> rejects
> > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > confusing. 
> > > 
> > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That
> bothers me
> > > because the rejection settings really prevent
> you from
> > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting
> that
> > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash,
> and you
> > > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> Tweaking
> > > the rejection settings can help that problem. 
> The key
> > > here is that you will hear another pad's sound,
> not
> > > static.     Before we go to much further on this
> one,
> > > can you verify that you're really hearing
> static,
> > > instead of just using that word to describe
> something
> > > not working right?  
> > >  
> > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings
> on
> > > > that trigger map 
> > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> know
> > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the
> extra
> > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a
> Pandora's
> > > > box, as I still 
> > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > 
> > > Don't we all!
> > > 
> > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems!
> I'll
> > > > get the hang of 
> > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast
> enough!
> > > 
> > > We all had a first time!
> > > 
> > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> forum 
> > > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally
> learn
> > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > patience. 
> > > 
> > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > 
> > >  That being 
> > > > said...here goes...
> > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and
> start
> > > > over?
> > > 
> > > The short answer is that the rules for the HH
> are
> > > different from the rest of the pads - you can
> only
> > > assign one sound to each of the HH functions
> (open,
> > > close, splash, foot close).  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have
> most
> > > > of my pads set 
> > > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on
> POLY,
> > > > what does this 
> > > > mean or do?
> > > 
> > > Again, the short answer is that because all of
> the HH
> > > functions are set to the same Alternate Group
> )AltG),
> > > only one of them will sound at a time.  For
> example,
> > > you can't have to Open and close sounds play
> together,
> > > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will
> stop
> > > the open sound and start playing the closed
> sound
> > > instead.  
> > > 
> > > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would
> happen
> > > > if I turned it on?
> > > 
> > > The sound will keep playing until you hit the
> pad
> > > again.
> > > 
> > > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen
> if it
> > > > is enabled?
> > > 
> > > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards
> - a
> > > Key On is what happens when you press down a key
> on a
> > > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start
> something
> > > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep
> holding
> 
=== message truncated ===


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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-15 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Jade and Scott,

I've been racking my brain about the distortion thing. It may be 
irrelevant to your situations--and I sure hope that I'm not 
complicating matters needlessly--but I now vaguely recall that when 
I first got my DTXpress, I heard something that resembled a clipping 
noise as well. I attbributed it to my KP60, which was suffering from 
far worse problems, including serious dropouts. For me, the sound 
went away when I got fed up with tinkering and bought a new kick 
pedal. By the way, post 2648 is about distortion as well. Is it like 
yours? I also remember Giles Hearn commenting about distortion from 
the outputs; it may have been as far back as 1999 or 2000. But if 
reducing levels judiciously in your cases eliminates it, it's not 
the same as mine was. The best-case scenario would be phones or 
cables.
Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Mine just started...but it may be my headphones, I am
> gonna make some readjustments to see if that helps, if
> not, then i don't know what to do but buy another set
> of phones.....jade
> 
> 
> --- "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>"
> <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > Jade
> > I too have had some distortion from the DTX. I
> > notice that when I play 
> >  certain kick drum sounds, especially with a crash,
> > I will get some 
> > distortion. It is coming from the DTX. When I go
> > thru a mixer, Even 
> > wwhen all levels are at unity gain or lower, it is
> > still there. I have 
> > compensated by reducing the offending kick/crash
> > levels, or changing 
> > voices. Most of my sounds are up near max volume in
> > the unit, the 
> > loudest ones at 127, the others keyed off of them,
> > down to about 100.
> > I have tried several headphones and mixer settings.
> > It is the DTX!
> > Anybody else have similar clipping?
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I
> > was playing today, 
> > > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> > noticed my bass 
> > > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the
> > volume down, and 
> > > that helps a little.  What may also have been
> > happening was I might 
> > > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit
> > from my cymbal 
> > > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be
> > working on the 
> > > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can
> > stop this.  I am 
> > > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> > shoe...all I need 
> > > is ONE voice setting another voice is
> > useless?...and what about the 
> > > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> > these both set to 1 
> > > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> > triggering, and 
> > > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> > trigger.  Had to 
> > > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice,
> > and Iwill keep 
> > > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is
> > with the HH-snare-
> > > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will
> > help eliminate 
> > > some of these problems...Jade 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> > <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > > > OK Jade,
> > > > 
> > > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain
> > melts down
> > > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > > > having a time with my 
> > > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> > point
> > > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems
> > to
> > > > > happen if and when 
> > > > > all three are triggered at the same time...so
> > how do
> > > > > I set 
> > > > > rejections on all three, and what input
> > rejects
> > > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > > confusing. 
> > > > 
> > > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That
> > bothers me
> > > > because the rejection settings really prevent
> > you from
> > > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting
> > that
> > > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash,
> > and you
> > > > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> > Tweaking
> > > > the rejection settings can help that problem. 
> > The key
> > > > here is that you will hear another pad's sound,
> > not
> > > > static.     Before we go to much further on this
> > one,
> > > > can you verify that you're really hearing
> > static,
> > > > instead of just using that word to describe
> > something
> > > > not working right?  
> > > >  
> > > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings
> > on
> > > > > that trigger map 
> > > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> > know
> > > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the
> > extra
> > > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a
> > Pandora's
> > > > > box, as I still 
> > > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > > 
> > > > Don't we all!
> > > > 
> > > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems!
> > I'll
> > > > > get the hang of 
> > > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast
> > enough!
> > > > 
> > > > We all had a first time!
> > > > 
> > > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> > forum 
> > > > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally
> > learn
> > > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > > patience. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > > 
> > > >  That being 
> > > > > said...here goes...
> > > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and
> > start
> > > > > over?
> > > > 
> > > > The short answer is that the rules for the HH
> > are
> > > > different from the rest of the pads - you can
> > only
> > > > assign one sound to each of the HH functions
> > (open,
> > > > close, splash, foot close).  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have
> > most
> > > > > of my pads set 
> > > > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on
> > POLY,
> > > > > what does this 
> > > > > mean or do?
> > > > 
> > > > Again, the short answer is that because all of
> > the HH
> > > > functions are set to the same Alternate Group
> > )AltG),
> > > > only one of them will sound at a time.  For
> > example,
> > > > you can't have to Open and close sounds play
> > together,
> > > > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > > > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will
> > stop
> > > > the open sound and start playing the closed
> > sound
> > > > instead.  
> > > > 
> > > > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would
> > happen
> > > > > if I turned it on?
> > > > 
> > > > The sound will keep playing until you hit the
> > pad
> > > > again.
> > > > 
> > > > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen
> > if it
> > > > > is enabled?
> > > > 
> > > > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards
> > - a
> > > > Key On is what happens when you press down a key
> > on a
> > > > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start
> > something
> > > > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep
> > holding
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-16 by hairytrigger <artifax@internetcds.com>

Yes Ed it is on the outputs in the main mix. It's not as noticeable 
though. I have heard it on recordings, too. BUT my headphones may be 
shot as well. Maybe it's time to....
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Jade and Scott,
> 
> I've been racking my brain about the distortion thing. It may be 
> irrelevant to your situations--and I sure hope that I'm not 
> complicating matters needlessly--but I now vaguely recall that when 
> I first got my DTXpress, I heard something that resembled a clipping 
> noise as well. I attbributed it to my KP60, which was suffering from 
> far worse problems, including serious dropouts. For me, the sound 
> went away when I got fed up with tinkering and bought a new kick 
> pedal. By the way, post 2648 is about distortion as well. Is it like 
> yours? I also remember Giles Hearn commenting about distortion from 
> the outputs; it may have been as far back as 1999 or 2000. But if 
> reducing levels judiciously in your cases eliminates it, it's not 
> the same as mine was. The best-case scenario would be phones or 
> cables.
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Mine just started...but it may be my headphones, I am
> > gonna make some readjustments to see if that helps, if
> > not, then i don't know what to do but buy another set
> > of phones.....jade
> > 
> > 
> > --- "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>"
> > <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > Jade
> > > I too have had some distortion from the DTX. I
> > > notice that when I play 
> > >  certain kick drum sounds, especially with a crash,
> > > I will get some 
> > > distortion. It is coming from the DTX. When I go
> > > thru a mixer, Even 
> > > wwhen all levels are at unity gain or lower, it is
> > > still there. I have 
> > > compensated by reducing the offending kick/crash
> > > levels, or changing 
> > > voices. Most of my sounds are up near max volume in
> > > the unit, the 
> > > loudest ones at 127, the others keyed off of them,
> > > down to about 100.
> > > I have tried several headphones and mixer settings.
> > > It is the DTX!
> > > Anybody else have similar clipping?
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I
> > > was playing today, 
> > > > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> > > noticed my bass 
> > > > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the
> > > volume down, and 
> > > > that helps a little.  What may also have been
> > > happening was I might 
> > > > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit
> > > from my cymbal 
> > > > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be
> > > working on the 
> > > > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can
> > > stop this.  I am 
> > > > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > > > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> > > shoe...all I need 
> > > > is ONE voice setting another voice is
> > > useless?...and what about the 
> > > > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> > > these both set to 1 
> > > > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> > > triggering, and 
> > > > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> > > trigger.  Had to 
> > > > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice,
> > > and Iwill keep 
> > > > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is
> > > with the HH-snare-
> > > > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will
> > > help eliminate 
> > > > some of these problems...Jade 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> > > <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > OK Jade,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain
> > > melts down
> > > > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > > > > having a time with my 
> > > > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> > > point
> > > > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems
> > > to
> > > > > > happen if and when 
> > > > > > all three are triggered at the same time...so
> > > how do
> > > > > > I set 
> > > > > > rejections on all three, and what input
> > > rejects
> > > > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > > > confusing. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That
> > > bothers me
> > > > > because the rejection settings really prevent
> > > you from
> > > > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting
> > > that
> > > > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash,
> > > and you
> > > > > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> > > Tweaking
> > > > > the rejection settings can help that problem. 
> > > The key
> > > > > here is that you will hear another pad's sound,
> > > not
> > > > > static.     Before we go to much further on this
> > > one,
> > > > > can you verify that you're really hearing
> > > static,
> > > > > instead of just using that word to describe
> > > something
> > > > > not working right?  
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings
> > > on
> > > > > > that trigger map 
> > > > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> > > know
> > > > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the
> > > extra
> > > > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a
> > > Pandora's
> > > > > > box, as I still 
> > > > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Don't we all!
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems!
> > > I'll
> > > > > > get the hang of 
> > > > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast
> > > enough!
> > > > > 
> > > > > We all had a first time!
> > > > > 
> > > > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> > > forum 
> > > > > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally
> > > learn
> > > > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > > > patience. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > > > 
> > > > >  That being 
> > > > > > said...here goes...
> > > > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > > > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and
> > > start
> > > > > > over?
> > > > > 
> > > > > The short answer is that the rules for the HH
> > > are
> > > > > different from the rest of the pads - you can
> > > only
> > > > > assign one sound to each of the HH functions
> > > (open,
> > > > > close, splash, foot close).  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have
> > > most
> > > > > > of my pads set 
> > > > > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on
> > > POLY,
> > > > > > what does this 
> > > > > > mean or do?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, the short answer is that because all of
> > > the HH
> > > > > functions are set to the same Alternate Group
> > > )AltG),
> > > > > only one of them will sound at a time.  For
> > > example,
> > > > > you can't have to Open and close sounds play
> > > together,
> > > > > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > > > > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will
> > > stop
> > > > > the open sound and start playing the closed
> > > sound
> > > > > instead.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would
> > > happen
> > > > > > if I turned it on?
> > > > > 
> > > > > The sound will keep playing until you hit the
> > > pad
> > > > > again.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen
> > > if it
> > > > > > is enabled?
> > > > > 
> > > > > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards
> > > - a
> > > > > Key On is what happens when you press down a key
> > > on a
> > > > > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start
> > > something
> > > > > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep
> > > holding
> > > 
> > === message truncated ===
> > 
> > 
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Re: Rejection Question..and a few more

2003-02-16 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Scott,

Unless my middle-aged hearing has deteriorated even more than I 
suspected after 36 years of loud music, the distortion from the outs 
seems to be a hit or miss affair, much like the KP60 troubles. But 
what a drag for recording, unless you're going for that lo-fi 
effect. I wonder if it's some sort of digital noise, which wouldn't 
surprise me at all, or some cheap preamp section overloading in the 
module.

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>" 
<artifax@i...> wrote:
> Yes Ed it is on the outputs in the main mix. It's not as 
noticeable 
> though. I have heard it on recordings, too. BUT my headphones may 
be 
> shot as well. Maybe it's time to....
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Jade and Scott,
> > 
> > I've been racking my brain about the distortion thing. It may be 
> > irrelevant to your situations--and I sure hope that I'm not 
> > complicating matters needlessly--but I now vaguely recall that 
when 
> > I first got my DTXpress, I heard something that resembled a 
clipping 
> > noise as well. I attbributed it to my KP60, which was suffering 
from 
> > far worse problems, including serious dropouts. For me, the 
sound 
> > went away when I got fed up with tinkering and bought a new kick 
> > pedal. By the way, post 2648 is about distortion as well. Is it 
like 
> > yours? I also remember Giles Hearn commenting about distortion 
from 
> > the outputs; it may have been as far back as 1999 or 2000. But 
if 
> > reducing levels judiciously in your cases eliminates it, it's 
not 
> > the same as mine was. The best-case scenario would be phones or 
> > cables.
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...> 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > wrote:
> > > Mine just started...but it may be my headphones, I am
> > > gonna make some readjustments to see if that helps, if
> > > not, then i don't know what to do but buy another set
> > > of phones.....jade
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>"
> > > <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > > Jade
> > > > I too have had some distortion from the DTX. I
> > > > notice that when I play 
> > > >  certain kick drum sounds, especially with a crash,
> > > > I will get some 
> > > > distortion. It is coming from the DTX. When I go
> > > > thru a mixer, Even 
> > > > wwhen all levels are at unity gain or lower, it is
> > > > still there. I have 
> > > > compensated by reducing the offending kick/crash
> > > > levels, or changing 
> > > > voices. Most of my sounds are up near max volume in
> > > > the unit, the 
> > > > loudest ones at 127, the others keyed off of them,
> > > > down to about 100.
> > > > I have tried several headphones and mixer settings.
> > > > It is the DTX!
> > > > Anybody else have similar clipping?
> > > > 
> > > > Scott
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Walt...it MAY be my stupid headphones AGAIN!!  I
> > > > was playing today, 
> > > > > and getting ready to start playing w/MidiKITI, I
> > > > noticed my bass 
> > > > > drum distorting thru the headphones...I turned the
> > > > volume down, and 
> > > > > that helps a little.  What may also have been
> > > > happening was I might 
> > > > > be getting cross talk when all 3 pads were hit
> > > > from my cymbal 
> > > > > (crash). It was high pitched sounding.  I will be
> > > > working on the 
> > > > > settings again tonite, and we will see if I can
> > > > stop this.  I am 
> > > > > running my DTX thru a Peavey RQ200 mixer.
> > > > > So on the HH ...which seems to be the rock in my
> > > > shoe...all I need 
> > > > > is ONE voice setting another voice is
> > > > useless?...and what about the 
> > > > > GAIN, and self reject, specific reject?  I have
> > > > these both set to 1 
> > > > > and to reject the snare.  I ran into my HH not
> > > > triggering, and 
> > > > > changed the settings...then my snare wouldn't
> > > > trigger.  Had to 
> > > > > change them back, also.  Thanks for the advice,
> > > > and Iwill keep 
> > > > > adjusting, the only problems I seem to have is
> > > > with the HH-snare-
> > > > > BD.  I am hoping that a set of Visu-lite HHs will
> > > > help eliminate 
> > > > > some of these problems...Jade 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> > > > <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > OK Jade,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Let's see how far I can get before my brain
> > > > melts down
> > > > > > -   Look below for my thoughts.  Walt
> > > > > > --- "jadiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...>"
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I KNOW I have been told about rejection...I am
> > > > > > > having a time with my 
> > > > > > > snare-HH-and bass drum.  I can't seem to pin
> > > > point
> > > > > > > WHERE this static 
> > > > > > > sound is coming from(snare/HH/BD).  It seems
> > > > to
> > > > > > > happen if and when 
> > > > > > > all three are triggered at the same time...so
> > > > how do
> > > > > > > I set 
> > > > > > > rejections on all three, and what input
> > > > rejects
> > > > > > > what?  It sounds 
> > > > > > > confusing. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OK, first, you use the word static.  That
> > > > bothers me
> > > > > > because the rejection settings really prevent
> > > > you from
> > > > > > hearing a pad's sound when you're not hitting
> > > > that
> > > > > > pad.    Say, for example, you hit your crash,
> > > > and you
> > > > > > hear the tom just below it also sound off. 
> > > > Tweaking
> > > > > > the rejection settings can help that problem. 
> > > > The key
> > > > > > here is that you will hear another pad's sound,
> > > > not
> > > > > > static.     Before we go to much further on this
> > > > one,
> > > > > > can you verify that you're really hearing
> > > > static,
> > > > > > instead of just using that word to describe
> > > > something
> > > > > > not working right?  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Tonite I wrote down ALL my custom kit settings
> > > > on
> > > > > > > that trigger map 
> > > > > > > sheet, and I was reminded about how LITTLE I
> > > > know
> > > > > > > about this kit.  I 
> > > > > > > wanna hook up my MidiKITI, and plug in the
> > > > extra
> > > > > > > cymbals and pads, 
> > > > > > > but I feel like I will be opening up a
> > > > Pandora's
> > > > > > > box, as I still 
> > > > > > > have a TON of learnin' to do on the DTX!! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Don't we all!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well...ok...that's how I 
> > > > > > > mastered my computer...dealing with problems!
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > get the hang of 
> > > > > > > this but it just don't seem to come fast
> > > > enough!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We all had a first time!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   It's having a bunch of great guys in this
> > > > forum 
> > > > > > > that help thick skulled folks like me finally
> > > > learn
> > > > > > > what the DTX is 
> > > > > > > all about. Many thanks for your guidance and
> > > > > > > patience. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed is blushing!!!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  That being 
> > > > > > > said...here goes...
> > > > > > > Some of the note numbers are all used up,
> > > > > > > specifically my HH. In V=1 
> > > > > > > my note is 52, but for V=2 it says "all notes
> > > > > > > taken"...HOW can I 
> > > > > > > reverse that, or delete it from memory and
> > > > start
> > > > > > > over?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The short answer is that the rules for the HH
> > > > are
> > > > > > different from the rest of the pads - you can
> > > > only
> > > > > > assign one sound to each of the HH functions
> > > > (open,
> > > > > > close, splash, foot close).  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What is AltG for and what does it DO?  I have
> > > > most
> > > > > > > of my pads set 
> > > > > > > on  SEMI, except for snare/crash...that is on
> > > > POLY,
> > > > > > > what does this 
> > > > > > > mean or do?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Again, the short answer is that because all of
> > > > the HH
> > > > > > functions are set to the same Alternate Group
> > > > )AltG),
> > > > > > only one of them will sound at a time.  For
> > > > example,
> > > > > > you can't have to Open and close sounds play
> > > > together,
> > > > > > that wouldn't be natural.  If the open sound is
> > > > > > playing, and you step on the pedal, the DTX will
> > > > stop
> > > > > > the open sound and start playing the closed
> > > > sound
> > > > > > instead.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > HOLD is set to OFF on all pads...what would
> > > > happen
> > > > > > > if I turned it on?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The sound will keep playing until you hit the
> > > > pad
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > KEY OFF is set to DISABLE...what would happen
> > > > if it
> > > > > > > is enabled?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > MIDI terminology is commonly based on Keyboards
> > > > - a
> > > > > > Key On is what happens when you press down a key
> > > > on a
> > > > > > keyboard.  Usually you want this to start
> > > > something
> > > > > > (like a voice or maybe a song).  If you keep
> > > > holding
> > > > 
> > > === message truncated ===
> > > 
> > > 
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