Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

For once, we're getting more snow than you, but you may have more Al-
Quaeda cells. Comments follow:

> Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the Page you're
> referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> UT MAP N=   OC-2
> =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 

That's it.

> So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set the note
> number for the ride bow (on my user kit I created, I
> have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I HAVE NOTHING
> PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would have to
> assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could COPY that
> setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save it to user
> kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> You say I would have to assign a different note #
> other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would the N= be
> an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I GET
> CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO ASSIGN...Would I
> assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or would that
> be the input number?  Please be patient with me, I
> KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come faster for
> me...will wait for your response...

The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay on that line for a 
moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice that the module 
notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable because they already 
have a preset use. I forget the exact terminology (I'm flying blind 
here; I don't have the module). When you get to the first midi 
number that comes up as available, stay with it (and remember it). 
It might be around 15; that will be the note number for the cymbal 
voice that we're about to assign. Go to the next line, "=K/000  NO 
ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from the kick drum list"; 
change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in the number of the ride 
voice that you want from the list under "C: Cymbal" in the back of 
the Yamaha manual. This number IS NOT a midi note number; it is 
simply Yamaha's own notation for voices. The actual midi note number 
is the one on the line above; it will be the one that the kat stores 
so that it can access the associated Yamaha cymbal voice. 

Presumably, you have all of your inputs on the DTX filled; that's 
why you bought the midikiti. Assign the cymbal that you selected in 
the utility menu (C/???) to one of inputs 2-10 in the voice menu of 
kit #80; it doesn't matter which one you choose, as long as it has a 
pad connected to it. Now check to make sure that the midi note 
number assigned to that cymbal in kit 80's voice menu is the one 
that you chose in the utility menu. Assuming that's ok, when you hit 
the pad connected to that input on the DTX, and midi note is the 
active parameter on the kat, you should see that note number flash 
on the kat's face. Now you can dive into the kat manual for gain etc 
and make further parameter adjustments in the utility menu of the 
DTX, as I outlined in my previous post. Let's stop right there so 
that you can digest and utilize this info.

Here's a brief lesson in terminology. Midi note numbers stand for a 
particular voice that various midi-capable instruments and modules 
can use to obtain the same sound. They are not to be confused with 
the numbers that Yamaha uses to identify the voices in the back of 
the DTX manual; these numbers apply to the Yamaha module only. 

Confusing fact: Yamaha's midi numbers in the preset kits are not 
attached to specific voices but to specific inputs. That is, every 
input from 1-10 in the module has a particular midi number assigned 
to it. If you don't use the utility menu to assign specific midi 
note numbers to voices, not inputs, then pads connected to the kat 
will access different voices when you change kits on the DTX, even 
though the midi note number stays the same. Remember it this way: 
The changes in the utility menu release the midi note numbers from 
the DTX inputs, each of which can have as many different voices as 
the DTX has kits, and attach them to voices instead, allowing  
devices like the kat to access only the one desired, instead of the 
variety of voices associated with a particular input in all of the 
kits.

Ed

> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Jade,
> > 
> > Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I can for
> > now below.
> > 
> > > Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride to the
> > midiKITI, I 
> > > wanted to use the one sound I have in my personal
> > user kit for it, 
> > > but I know it has 2 sounds (bell and ride
> > sounds)..I have the Y 
> > > connector, but Hosa sent the wrong one, I got a
> > stereo male to 2 
> > > stereo females, and I needed the stereo male to to
> > mono females, 
> > the 
> > > guy at the store said it might work, they are
> > reordering the 
> > YPP117.
> > 
> > The stereo females won't work so let's treat the
> > visulite as a 
> > single zone ride for now and forget about the bell.
> > If you can 
> > connect the bow to the kat successfully, you won't
> > have trouble 
> > later with the bell.
> > 
> > > I plugged in the KITI, I have my midi cables
> > connectec to midi 
> > > in/midi out on both...WHICH MIDI OUT channel
> > should I use on the 
> > > KITI..there are 2 MIDI OUTS, the book only shows a
> > diagram and 
> > > doesn't tell which midi out to use, so I plugged
> > it into the midi 
> > > out outlet next to the midi in outlet.  
> > 
> > It doesn't matter which midi out you use. At this
> > point, make sure 
> > that the visulite bow is connected to an input on
> > the kat.
> > 
> > i tried a preset kit, and 
> > > found a ride sound that changed my #9 pad from the
> > tom sound to a 
> > > ride cymbal.  I then used the Hosa YPP118 and
> > connected my a mono 
> > > plugs from the visulite into inputs 1 and 2 on the
> > KITI.  I went 
> > to 
> > > the trigger edit of my preset user kit..named it
> > MIDI KITI, and 
> > > found the sound for pad 9 that changed from tom to
> > ride...the note 
> > > was #053.  I pressed the AUTOTRAIN on the KITI,
> > and pushed the 
> > > trigger voice button, theo the 0-5-3 lights were
> > lit in sequence.  
> > I 
> > > didn't know what to do next.  
> > 
> > You've gone off track. I'm glad that you got so far
> > as to see the 
> > note number displayed on the kat. But now you need
> > to be in a user 
> > kit on the DTX for the next steps. In the interest
> > of simplicity, 
> > take any kit, whether preset or one of your own, and
> > use it to 
> > create user kit #80, or just scroll through the kit
> > numbers until 
> > you reach the last one, #80, which you can name
> > midikiti in the 
> > voice edit menu sometime if you are so inclined. In
> > that kit 80, 
> > assign the voice that you'd like for the bow of the
> > visulite to one 
> > of the pads connected to any input on the DTX. For
> > example, assign 
> > the cymbal sound C21 (or whatever you prefer) to
> > whatever pad is 
> > connected to input 6, or whatever input you like. 
> > 
> > Now, remember when I told you that you'd need a new
> > note number for 
> > that voice rather than the one already assigned in
> > the voice menu? 
> > If you stay with the default number, you will get
> > whatever sound is 
> > associated with that INPUT in all of the preset
> > kits. That's because 
> > the DTX assigns numbers to inputs, not voices,
> > unless you explicitly 
> > assign numbers to voices instead. Since the numbers
> > go to inputs 
> > rather than voices, whenever you switch kits, the
> > number--053 in 
> > your case--will refer to a different voice. What you
> > want to do is 
> > make sure that when the number stays the same, so
> > does the voice. My 
> > next paragraph shows you how.
> > 
> > I read the KITI manuel, and it said if 
> > > I hit the trigger (cymbal) it should play that
> > note...0-5-3 which 
> > > was a ride cymbal voice.  Well I hit the cymbal
> > and if I hit it 
> > > hard, I am getting a tomR sound!!!  What the heck
> > am I doing 
> > wrong?  
> > > I wanna assign a ride cymbal, and a bell voice to
> > the KITI...HOW 
> > DO 
> > > I GET THESE VOICES TO SOUND FOR MY RIDE.  Ther's
> > gotta be 
> > something 
> > > I am missing here, the DTX module is set to ch
> > 10...do I need to 
> > be 
> > > in a UTILITY MODE PAGE?  
> > 
> > You're getting the tom sound because you haven't
> > specified that your 
> > chosen voice should have its own number, rather than
> > an input number 
> > that goes with different voices in different kits.
> > Go into section 
> > 5, Map, in the utility menu. The first page concerns
> > voice. Increase 
> > the "N" value (note number) until you get one that
> > is free. On the 
> > next line, assign that free note number to cymbal
> > C21 (or whichever 
> > one you chose in the last paragraph). The following
> > pages allow you 
> > to set parameters (volume, pan, tuning, etc.) for
> > this midi voice 
> > that you've specified for the kat to use by note
> > number. You can 
> > come back to these parameters. For now, go back into
> > user kit 80 and 
> > see whether the input on the kat with your visulite
> > ride now takes 
> > the new number when you hit the appropriate pad
> > connected to the 
> > DTX. Voila! Now when you hit the visulite, the new
> > note number 
> > should be displayed on the kat's face. It will no
> > longer matter 
> > which kit you choose on the DTX; you'll always get
> > the cymbal sound 
> > that you've asscociated with that number. What
> > remains is to follow 
> > the manual to set gain etc. on the kat and to finish
> > setting those 
> > parameters in the utility menu for the voice that
> > you want the kat 
> > to access when you hit the visulite.
> > 
> > 
> > Also, when I plugged in the 2 
> > > mono jacks from the Vis. cymbal, I noticed that
> > only trigger 1 was 
> > > lit.  Shouldn't trigger 2 be lit also?  Or is this
> > because the Y 
> > > adapter is wrong, I should have the stereo male to
> > 2 mono females 
> > > attaching to 2 mono males into the KITI....can ya
> > help me out?  
> > 
> > The other input on the kat didn't work because the
> > adapter is wrong. 
> > There's a fairly simple logic to what I've outlined.
> > I haven't gone 
> > into detail about what to do on the kat after you
> > get the note 
> > number right. The first few pages of the manual
> > should get you 
> > there. Read them carefully again until it all sinks
> > in. 
> > 
> > At the risk of confusing you, the point of creating
> > a midikiti kit 
> > #80 is to give you a convenient place to program
> > pads that you can 
> > hit to convey note numbers to the kat via the DTX
> > midi out. The kat 
> > in turn uses its midi out to access the voice info
> > that you 
> > programmed into the DTX for that note number. I'll
> > have some 
> > suggestions for how you might use the kat without
> > having to do much 
> > fussing (many of them can be found in my reply to a
> > post of 
> > under'heaven's earlier this month). But get this
> > much down first; 
> > then you can change or expand as you wish. If you
> > have more 
> > 
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