Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride to the midiKITI, I 
wanted to use the one sound I have in my personal user kit for it, 
but I know it has 2 sounds (bell and ride sounds)..I have the Y 
connector, but Hosa sent the wrong one, I got a stereo male to 2 
stereo females, and I needed the stereo male to to mono females, the 
guy at the store said it might work, they are reordering the YPP117.
I plugged in the KITI, I have my midi cables connectec to midi 
in/midi out on both...WHICH MIDI OUT channel should I use on the 
KITI..there are 2 MIDI OUTS, the book only shows a diagram and 
doesn't tell which midi out to use, so I plugged it into the midi 
out outlet next to the midi in outlet.  i tried a preset kit, and 
found a ride sound that changed my #9 pad from the tom sound to a 
ride cymbal.  I then used the Hosa YPP118 and connected my a mono 
plugs from the visulite into inputs 1 and 2 on the KITI.  I went to 
the trigger edit of my preset user kit..named it MIDI KITI, and 
found the sound for pad 9 that changed from tom to ride...the note 
was #053.  I pressed the AUTOTRAIN on the KITI, and pushed the 
trigger voice button, theo the 0-5-3 lights were lit in sequence.  I 
didn't know what to do next.  I read the KITI manuel, and it said if 
I hit the trigger (cymbal) it should play that note...0-5-3 which 
was a ride cymbal voice.  Well I hit the cymbal and if I hit it 
hard, I am getting a tomR sound!!!  What the heck am I doing wrong?  
I wanna assign a ride cymbal, and a bell voice to the KITI...HOW DO 
I GET THESE VOICES TO SOUND FOR MY RIDE.  Ther's gotta be something 
I am missing here, the DTX module is set to ch 10...do I need to be 
in a UTILITY MODE PAGE?  Now I have a tom assigned, and how do I 
change it back?  For now, I just want to move one crash and my dual 
zone visulite ride to the KITI.  Is there something I press on the 
KITI to save that voice to trigger 1.  Also, when I plugged in the 2 
mono jacks from the Vis. cymbal, I noticed that only trigger 1 was 
lit.  Shouldn't trigger 2 be lit also?  Or is this because the Y 
adapter is wrong, I should have the stereo male to 2 mono females 
attaching to 2 mono males into the KITI....can ya help me out?  Jade

Hi Jade,

Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I can for now below.

> Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride to the midiKITI, I 
> wanted to use the one sound I have in my personal user kit for it, 
> but I know it has 2 sounds (bell and ride sounds)..I have the Y 
> connector, but Hosa sent the wrong one, I got a stereo male to 2 
> stereo females, and I needed the stereo male to to mono females, 
the 
> guy at the store said it might work, they are reordering the 
YPP117.

The stereo females won't work so let's treat the visulite as a 
single zone ride for now and forget about the bell. If you can 
connect the bow to the kat successfully, you won't have trouble 
later with the bell.

> I plugged in the KITI, I have my midi cables connectec to midi 
> in/midi out on both...WHICH MIDI OUT channel should I use on the 
> KITI..there are 2 MIDI OUTS, the book only shows a diagram and 
> doesn't tell which midi out to use, so I plugged it into the midi 
> out outlet next to the midi in outlet.  

It doesn't matter which midi out you use. At this point, make sure 
that the visulite bow is connected to an input on the kat.

i tried a preset kit, and 
> found a ride sound that changed my #9 pad from the tom sound to a 
> ride cymbal.  I then used the Hosa YPP118 and connected my a mono 
> plugs from the visulite into inputs 1 and 2 on the KITI.  I went 
to 
> the trigger edit of my preset user kit..named it MIDI KITI, and 
> found the sound for pad 9 that changed from tom to ride...the note 
> was #053.  I pressed the AUTOTRAIN on the KITI, and pushed the 
> trigger voice button, theo the 0-5-3 lights were lit in sequence.  
I 
> didn't know what to do next.  

You've gone off track. I'm glad that you got so far as to see the 
note number displayed on the kat. But now you need to be in a user 
kit on the DTX for the next steps. In the interest of simplicity, 
take any kit, whether preset or one of your own, and use it to 
create user kit #80, or just scroll through the kit numbers until 
you reach the last one, #80, which you can name midikiti in the 
voice edit menu sometime if you are so inclined. In that kit 80, 
assign the voice that you'd like for the bow of the visulite to one 
of the pads connected to any input on the DTX. For example, assign 
the cymbal sound C21 (or whatever you prefer) to whatever pad is 
connected to input 6, or whatever input you like. 

Now, remember when I told you that you'd need a new note number for 
that voice rather than the one already assigned in the voice menu? 
If you stay with the default number, you will get whatever sound is 
associated with that INPUT in all of the preset kits. That's because 
the DTX assigns numbers to inputs, not voices, unless you explicitly 
assign numbers to voices instead. Since the numbers go to inputs 
rather than voices, whenever you switch kits, the number--053 in 
your case--will refer to a different voice. What you want to do is 
make sure that when the number stays the same, so does the voice. My 
next paragraph shows you how.

I read the KITI manuel, and it said if 
> I hit the trigger (cymbal) it should play that note...0-5-3 which 
> was a ride cymbal voice.  Well I hit the cymbal and if I hit it 
> hard, I am getting a tomR sound!!!  What the heck am I doing 
wrong?  
> I wanna assign a ride cymbal, and a bell voice to the KITI...HOW 
DO 
> I GET THESE VOICES TO SOUND FOR MY RIDE.  Ther's gotta be 
something 
> I am missing here, the DTX module is set to ch 10...do I need to 
be 
> in a UTILITY MODE PAGE?  

You're getting the tom sound because you haven't specified that your 
chosen voice should have its own number, rather than an input number 
that goes with different voices in different kits. Go into section 
5, Map, in the utility menu. The first page concerns voice. Increase 
the "N" value (note number) until you get one that is free. On the 
next line, assign that free note number to cymbal C21 (or whichever 
one you chose in the last paragraph). The following pages allow you 
to set parameters (volume, pan, tuning, etc.) for this midi voice 
that you've specified for the kat to use by note number. You can 
come back to these parameters. For now, go back into user kit 80 and 
see whether the input on the kat with your visulite ride now takes 
the new number when you hit the appropriate pad connected to the 
DTX. Voila! Now when you hit the visulite, the new note number 
should be displayed on the kat's face. It will no longer matter 
which kit you choose on the DTX; you'll always get the cymbal sound 
that you've asscociated with that number. What remains is to follow 
the manual to set gain etc. on the kat and to finish setting those 
parameters in the utility menu for the voice that you want the kat 
to access when you hit the visulite.


Also, when I plugged in the 2 
> mono jacks from the Vis. cymbal, I noticed that only trigger 1 was 
> lit.  Shouldn't trigger 2 be lit also?  Or is this because the Y 
> adapter is wrong, I should have the stereo male to 2 mono females 
> attaching to 2 mono males into the KITI....can ya help me out?  

The other input on the kat didn't work because the adapter is wrong. 
There's a fairly simple logic to what I've outlined. I haven't gone 
into detail about what to do on the kat after you get the note 
number right. The first few pages of the manual should get you 
there. Read them carefully again until it all sinks in. 

At the risk of confusing you, the point of creating a midikiti kit 
#80 is to give you a convenient place to program pads that you can 
hit to convey note numbers to the kat via the DTX midi out. The kat 
in turn uses its midi out to access the voice info that you 
programmed into the DTX for that note number. I'll have some 
suggestions for how you might use the kat without having to do much 
fussing (many of them can be found in my reply to a post of 
under'heaven's earlier this month). But get this much down first; 
then you can change or expand as you wish. If you have more 
questions, try to keep them simple so that we can tackle them one at 
a time.

Ed

Ed...Yah it's snowing here, but not like on the
coast...I live between Buffalo and Rochester,NY in a
small rural farming community, so we are only supposed
to get 4 or 5 inches.
Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the Page you're
referring to is it  under section 5-1.
UT MAP N=   OC-2
=K/000  NO ASSIGN? 
So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set the note
number for the ride bow (on my user kit I created, I
have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I HAVE NOTHING
PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would have to
assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could COPY that
setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save it to user
kit #80?  Am I following you right?
You say I would have to assign a different note #
other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would the N= be
an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I GET
CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO ASSIGN...Would I
assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or would that
be the input number?  Please be patient with me, I
KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come faster for
me...will wait for your response...Thanks!!....Jade
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Hi Jade,
> 
> Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I can for
> now below.
> 
> > Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride to the
> midiKITI, I 
> > wanted to use the one sound I have in my personal
> user kit for it, 
> > but I know it has 2 sounds (bell and ride
> sounds)..I have the Y 
> > connector, but Hosa sent the wrong one, I got a
> stereo male to 2 
> > stereo females, and I needed the stereo male to to
> mono females, 
> the 
> > guy at the store said it might work, they are
> reordering the 
> YPP117.
> 
> The stereo females won't work so let's treat the
> visulite as a 
> single zone ride for now and forget about the bell.
> If you can 
> connect the bow to the kat successfully, you won't
> have trouble 
> later with the bell.
> 
> > I plugged in the KITI, I have my midi cables
> connectec to midi 
> > in/midi out on both...WHICH MIDI OUT channel
> should I use on the 
> > KITI..there are 2 MIDI OUTS, the book only shows a
> diagram and 
> > doesn't tell which midi out to use, so I plugged
> it into the midi 
> > out outlet next to the midi in outlet.  
> 
> It doesn't matter which midi out you use. At this
> point, make sure 
> that the visulite bow is connected to an input on
> the kat.
> 
> i tried a preset kit, and 
> > found a ride sound that changed my #9 pad from the
> tom sound to a 
> > ride cymbal.  I then used the Hosa YPP118 and
> connected my a mono 
> > plugs from the visulite into inputs 1 and 2 on the
> KITI.  I went 
> to 
> > the trigger edit of my preset user kit..named it
> MIDI KITI, and 
> > found the sound for pad 9 that changed from tom to
> ride...the note 
> > was #053.  I pressed the AUTOTRAIN on the KITI,
> and pushed the 
> > trigger voice button, theo the 0-5-3 lights were
> lit in sequence.  
> I 
> > didn't know what to do next.  
> 
> You've gone off track. I'm glad that you got so far
> as to see the 
> note number displayed on the kat. But now you need
> to be in a user 
> kit on the DTX for the next steps. In the interest
> of simplicity, 
> take any kit, whether preset or one of your own, and
> use it to 
> create user kit #80, or just scroll through the kit
> numbers until 
> you reach the last one, #80, which you can name
> midikiti in the 
> voice edit menu sometime if you are so inclined. In
> that kit 80, 
> assign the voice that you'd like for the bow of the
> visulite to one 
> of the pads connected to any input on the DTX. For
> example, assign 
> the cymbal sound C21 (or whatever you prefer) to
> whatever pad is 
> connected to input 6, or whatever input you like. 
> 
> Now, remember when I told you that you'd need a new
> note number for 
> that voice rather than the one already assigned in
> the voice menu? 
> If you stay with the default number, you will get
> whatever sound is 
> associated with that INPUT in all of the preset
> kits. That's because 
> the DTX assigns numbers to inputs, not voices,
> unless you explicitly 
> assign numbers to voices instead. Since the numbers
> go to inputs 
> rather than voices, whenever you switch kits, the
> number--053 in 
> your case--will refer to a different voice. What you
> want to do is 
> make sure that when the number stays the same, so
> does the voice. My 
> next paragraph shows you how.
> 
> I read the KITI manuel, and it said if 
> > I hit the trigger (cymbal) it should play that
> note...0-5-3 which 
> > was a ride cymbal voice.  Well I hit the cymbal
> and if I hit it 
> > hard, I am getting a tomR sound!!!  What the heck
> am I doing 
> wrong?  
> > I wanna assign a ride cymbal, and a bell voice to
> the KITI...HOW 
> DO 
> > I GET THESE VOICES TO SOUND FOR MY RIDE.  Ther's
> gotta be 
> something 
> > I am missing here, the DTX module is set to ch
> 10...do I need to 
> be 
> > in a UTILITY MODE PAGE?  
> 
> You're getting the tom sound because you haven't
> specified that your 
> chosen voice should have its own number, rather than
> an input number 
> that goes with different voices in different kits.
> Go into section 
> 5, Map, in the utility menu. The first page concerns
> voice. Increase 
> the "N" value (note number) until you get one that
> is free. On the 
> next line, assign that free note number to cymbal
> C21 (or whichever 
> one you chose in the last paragraph). The following
> pages allow you 
> to set parameters (volume, pan, tuning, etc.) for
> this midi voice 
> that you've specified for the kat to use by note
> number. You can 
> come back to these parameters. For now, go back into
> user kit 80 and 
> see whether the input on the kat with your visulite
> ride now takes 
> the new number when you hit the appropriate pad
> connected to the 
> DTX. Voila! Now when you hit the visulite, the new
> note number 
> should be displayed on the kat's face. It will no
> longer matter 
> which kit you choose on the DTX; you'll always get
> the cymbal sound 
> that you've asscociated with that number. What
> remains is to follow 
> the manual to set gain etc. on the kat and to finish
> setting those 
> parameters in the utility menu for the voice that
> you want the kat 
> to access when you hit the visulite.
> 
> 
> Also, when I plugged in the 2 
> > mono jacks from the Vis. cymbal, I noticed that
> only trigger 1 was 
> > lit.  Shouldn't trigger 2 be lit also?  Or is this
> because the Y 
> > adapter is wrong, I should have the stereo male to
> 2 mono females 
> > attaching to 2 mono males into the KITI....can ya
> help me out?  
> 
> The other input on the kat didn't work because the
> adapter is wrong. 
> There's a fairly simple logic to what I've outlined.
> I haven't gone 
> into detail about what to do on the kat after you
> get the note 
> number right. The first few pages of the manual
> should get you 
> there. Read them carefully again until it all sinks
> in. 
> 
> At the risk of confusing you, the point of creating
> a midikiti kit 
> #80 is to give you a convenient place to program
> pads that you can 
> hit to convey note numbers to the kat via the DTX
> midi out. The kat 
> in turn uses its midi out to access the voice info
> that you 
> programmed into the DTX for that note number. I'll
> have some 
> suggestions for how you might use the kat without
> having to do much 
> fussing (many of them can be found in my reply to a
> post of 
> under'heaven's earlier this month). But get this
> much down first; 
> then you can change or expand as you wish. If you
> have more 
> 
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For once, we're getting more snow than you, but you may have more Al-
Quaeda cells. Comments follow:

> Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the Page you're
> referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> UT MAP N=   OC-2
> =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 

That's it.

> So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set the note
> number for the ride bow (on my user kit I created, I
> have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I HAVE NOTHING
> PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would have to
> assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could COPY that
> setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save it to user
> kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> You say I would have to assign a different note #
> other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would the N= be
> an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I GET
> CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO ASSIGN...Would I
> assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or would that
> be the input number?  Please be patient with me, I
> KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come faster for
> me...will wait for your response...

The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay on that line for a 
moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice that the module 
notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable because they already 
have a preset use. I forget the exact terminology (I'm flying blind 
here; I don't have the module). When you get to the first midi 
number that comes up as available, stay with it (and remember it). 
It might be around 15; that will be the note number for the cymbal 
voice that we're about to assign. Go to the next line, "=K/000  NO 
ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from the kick drum list"; 
change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in the number of the ride 
voice that you want from the list under "C: Cymbal" in the back of 
the Yamaha manual. This number IS NOT a midi note number; it is 
simply Yamaha's own notation for voices. The actual midi note number 
is the one on the line above; it will be the one that the kat stores 
so that it can access the associated Yamaha cymbal voice. 

Presumably, you have all of your inputs on the DTX filled; that's 
why you bought the midikiti. Assign the cymbal that you selected in 
the utility menu (C/???) to one of inputs 2-10 in the voice menu of 
kit #80; it doesn't matter which one you choose, as long as it has a 
pad connected to it. Now check to make sure that the midi note 
number assigned to that cymbal in kit 80's voice menu is the one 
that you chose in the utility menu. Assuming that's ok, when you hit 
the pad connected to that input on the DTX, and midi note is the 
active parameter on the kat, you should see that note number flash 
on the kat's face. Now you can dive into the kat manual for gain etc 
and make further parameter adjustments in the utility menu of the 
DTX, as I outlined in my previous post. Let's stop right there so 
that you can digest and utilize this info.

Here's a brief lesson in terminology. Midi note numbers stand for a 
particular voice that various midi-capable instruments and modules 
can use to obtain the same sound. They are not to be confused with 
the numbers that Yamaha uses to identify the voices in the back of 
the DTX manual; these numbers apply to the Yamaha module only. 

Confusing fact: Yamaha's midi numbers in the preset kits are not 
attached to specific voices but to specific inputs. That is, every 
input from 1-10 in the module has a particular midi number assigned 
to it. If you don't use the utility menu to assign specific midi 
note numbers to voices, not inputs, then pads connected to the kat 
will access different voices when you change kits on the DTX, even 
though the midi note number stays the same. Remember it this way: 
The changes in the utility menu release the midi note numbers from 
the DTX inputs, each of which can have as many different voices as 
the DTX has kits, and attach them to voices instead, allowing  
devices like the kat to access only the one desired, instead of the 
variety of voices associated with a particular input in all of the 
kits.

Ed

> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Jade,
> > 
> > Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I can for
> > now below.
> > 
> > > Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride to the
> > midiKITI, I 
> > > wanted to use the one sound I have in my personal
> > user kit for it, 
> > > but I know it has 2 sounds (bell and ride
> > sounds)..I have the Y 
> > > connector, but Hosa sent the wrong one, I got a
> > stereo male to 2 
> > > stereo females, and I needed the stereo male to to
> > mono females, 
> > the 
> > > guy at the store said it might work, they are
> > reordering the 
> > YPP117.
> > 
> > The stereo females won't work so let's treat the
> > visulite as a 
> > single zone ride for now and forget about the bell.
> > If you can 
> > connect the bow to the kat successfully, you won't
> > have trouble 
> > later with the bell.
> > 
> > > I plugged in the KITI, I have my midi cables
> > connectec to midi 
> > > in/midi out on both...WHICH MIDI OUT channel
> > should I use on the 
> > > KITI..there are 2 MIDI OUTS, the book only shows a
> > diagram and 
> > > doesn't tell which midi out to use, so I plugged
> > it into the midi 
> > > out outlet next to the midi in outlet.  
> > 
> > It doesn't matter which midi out you use. At this
> > point, make sure 
> > that the visulite bow is connected to an input on
> > the kat.
> > 
> > i tried a preset kit, and 
> > > found a ride sound that changed my #9 pad from the
> > tom sound to a 
> > > ride cymbal.  I then used the Hosa YPP118 and
> > connected my a mono 
> > > plugs from the visulite into inputs 1 and 2 on the
> > KITI.  I went 
> > to 
> > > the trigger edit of my preset user kit..named it
> > MIDI KITI, and 
> > > found the sound for pad 9 that changed from tom to
> > ride...the note 
> > > was #053.  I pressed the AUTOTRAIN on the KITI,
> > and pushed the 
> > > trigger voice button, theo the 0-5-3 lights were
> > lit in sequence.  
> > I 
> > > didn't know what to do next.  
> > 
> > You've gone off track. I'm glad that you got so far
> > as to see the 
> > note number displayed on the kat. But now you need
> > to be in a user 
> > kit on the DTX for the next steps. In the interest
> > of simplicity, 
> > take any kit, whether preset or one of your own, and
> > use it to 
> > create user kit #80, or just scroll through the kit
> > numbers until 
> > you reach the last one, #80, which you can name
> > midikiti in the 
> > voice edit menu sometime if you are so inclined. In
> > that kit 80, 
> > assign the voice that you'd like for the bow of the
> > visulite to one 
> > of the pads connected to any input on the DTX. For
> > example, assign 
> > the cymbal sound C21 (or whatever you prefer) to
> > whatever pad is 
> > connected to input 6, or whatever input you like. 
> > 
> > Now, remember when I told you that you'd need a new
> > note number for 
> > that voice rather than the one already assigned in
> > the voice menu? 
> > If you stay with the default number, you will get
> > whatever sound is 
> > associated with that INPUT in all of the preset
> > kits. That's because 
> > the DTX assigns numbers to inputs, not voices,
> > unless you explicitly 
> > assign numbers to voices instead. Since the numbers
> > go to inputs 
> > rather than voices, whenever you switch kits, the
> > number--053 in 
> > your case--will refer to a different voice. What you
> > want to do is 
> > make sure that when the number stays the same, so
> > does the voice. My 
> > next paragraph shows you how.
> > 
> > I read the KITI manuel, and it said if 
> > > I hit the trigger (cymbal) it should play that
> > note...0-5-3 which 
> > > was a ride cymbal voice.  Well I hit the cymbal
> > and if I hit it 
> > > hard, I am getting a tomR sound!!!  What the heck
> > am I doing 
> > wrong?  
> > > I wanna assign a ride cymbal, and a bell voice to
> > the KITI...HOW 
> > DO 
> > > I GET THESE VOICES TO SOUND FOR MY RIDE.  Ther's
> > gotta be 
> > something 
> > > I am missing here, the DTX module is set to ch
> > 10...do I need to 
> > be 
> > > in a UTILITY MODE PAGE?  
> > 
> > You're getting the tom sound because you haven't
> > specified that your 
> > chosen voice should have its own number, rather than
> > an input number 
> > that goes with different voices in different kits.
> > Go into section 
> > 5, Map, in the utility menu. The first page concerns
> > voice. Increase 
> > the "N" value (note number) until you get one that
> > is free. On the 
> > next line, assign that free note number to cymbal
> > C21 (or whichever 
> > one you chose in the last paragraph). The following
> > pages allow you 
> > to set parameters (volume, pan, tuning, etc.) for
> > this midi voice 
> > that you've specified for the kat to use by note
> > number. You can 
> > come back to these parameters. For now, go back into
> > user kit 80 and 
> > see whether the input on the kat with your visulite
> > ride now takes 
> > the new number when you hit the appropriate pad
> > connected to the 
> > DTX. Voila! Now when you hit the visulite, the new
> > note number 
> > should be displayed on the kat's face. It will no
> > longer matter 
> > which kit you choose on the DTX; you'll always get
> > the cymbal sound 
> > that you've asscociated with that number. What
> > remains is to follow 
> > the manual to set gain etc. on the kat and to finish
> > setting those 
> > parameters in the utility menu for the voice that
> > you want the kat 
> > to access when you hit the visulite.
> > 
> > 
> > Also, when I plugged in the 2 
> > > mono jacks from the Vis. cymbal, I noticed that
> > only trigger 1 was 
> > > lit.  Shouldn't trigger 2 be lit also?  Or is this
> > because the Y 
> > > adapter is wrong, I should have the stereo male to
> > 2 mono females 
> > > attaching to 2 mono males into the KITI....can ya
> > help me out?  
> > 
> > The other input on the kat didn't work because the
> > adapter is wrong. 
> > There's a fairly simple logic to what I've outlined.
> > I haven't gone 
> > into detail about what to do on the kat after you
> > get the note 
> > number right. The first few pages of the manual
> > should get you 
> > there. Read them carefully again until it all sinks
> > in. 
> > 
> > At the risk of confusing you, the point of creating
> > a midikiti kit 
> > #80 is to give you a convenient place to program
> > pads that you can 
> > hit to convey note numbers to the kat via the DTX
> > midi out. The kat 
> > in turn uses its midi out to access the voice info
> > that you 
> > programmed into the DTX for that note number. I'll
> > have some 
> > suggestions for how you might use the kat without
> > having to do much 
> > fussing (many of them can be found in my reply to a
> > post of 
> > under'heaven's earlier this month). But get this
> > much down first; 
> > then you can change or expand as you wish. If you
> > have more 
> > 
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> 
> 
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Here's what I have done... I changed my user kit
number to 80-went into voice and copied the ride
setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it sounds like a
ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI input 1.  I
went into UTILITY Voice here are my settings:
UT MAP N=10A#-2
C=/024
I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO TRAIN-hit pad
#9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I tapped
the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the friggin'
thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then it sounded
like pad#9's original setting in my user kit...which
was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP Copy from=1
Acoustic kit??
How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to the
KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3 instead of the
0-2-4 that I assigned pad 9?  Am I doing something
wrong w/ programming the KITI?....Jade
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> For once, we're getting more snow than you, but you
> may have more Al-
> Quaeda cells. Comments follow:
> 
> > Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the Page
> you're
> > referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> > UT MAP N=   OC-2
> > =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 
> 
> That's it.
> 
> > So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set the
> note
> > number for the ride bow (on my user kit I created,
> I
> > have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I HAVE
> NOTHING
> > PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would have
> to
> > assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could COPY
> that
> > setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save it to
> user
> > kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> > You say I would have to assign a different note #
> > other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would the
> N= be
> > an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I GET
> > CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO ASSIGN...Would
> I
> > assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or would
> that
> > be the input number?  Please be patient with me, I
> > KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come faster
> for
> > me...will wait for your response...
> 
> The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay on
> that line for a 
> moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice that
> the module 
> notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable
> because they already 
> have a preset use. I forget the exact terminology
> (I'm flying blind 
> here; I don't have the module). When you get to the
> first midi 
> number that comes up as available, stay with it (and
> remember it). 
> It might be around 15; that will be the note number
> for the cymbal 
> voice that we're about to assign. Go to the next
> line, "=K/000  NO 
> ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from the kick
> drum list"; 
> change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in the
> number of the ride 
> voice that you want from the list under "C: Cymbal"
> in the back of 
> the Yamaha manual. This number IS NOT a midi note
> number; it is 
> simply Yamaha's own notation for voices. The actual
> midi note number 
> is the one on the line above; it will be the one
> that the kat stores 
> so that it can access the associated Yamaha cymbal
> voice. 
> 
> Presumably, you have all of your inputs on the DTX
> filled; that's 
> why you bought the midikiti. Assign the cymbal that
> you selected in 
> the utility menu (C/???) to one of inputs 2-10 in
> the voice menu of 
> kit #80; it doesn't matter which one you choose, as
> long as it has a 
> pad connected to it. Now check to make sure that the
> midi note 
> number assigned to that cymbal in kit 80's voice
> menu is the one 
> that you chose in the utility menu. Assuming that's
> ok, when you hit 
> the pad connected to that input on the DTX, and midi
> note is the 
> active parameter on the kat, you should see that
> note number flash 
> on the kat's face. Now you can dive into the kat
> manual for gain etc 
> and make further parameter adjustments in the
> utility menu of the 
> DTX, as I outlined in my previous post. Let's stop
> right there so 
> that you can digest and utilize this info.
> 
> Here's a brief lesson in terminology. Midi note
> numbers stand for a 
> particular voice that various midi-capable
> instruments and modules 
> can use to obtain the same sound. They are not to be
> confused with 
> the numbers that Yamaha uses to identify the voices
> in the back of 
> the DTX manual; these numbers apply to the Yamaha
> module only. 
> 
> Confusing fact: Yamaha's midi numbers in the preset
> kits are not 
> attached to specific voices but to specific inputs.
> That is, every 
> input from 1-10 in the module has a particular midi
> number assigned 
> to it. If you don't use the utility menu to assign
> specific midi 
> note numbers to voices, not inputs, then pads
> connected to the kat 
> will access different voices when you change kits on
> the DTX, even 
> though the midi note number stays the same. Remember
> it this way: 
> The changes in the utility menu release the midi
> note numbers from 
> the DTX inputs, each of which can have as many
> different voices as 
> the DTX has kits, and attach them to voices instead,
> allowing  
> devices like the kat to access only the one desired,
> instead of the 
> variety of voices associated with a particular input
> in all of the 
> kits.
> 
> Ed
> 
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Jade,
> > > 
> > > Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I can
> for
> > > now below.
> > > 
> > > > Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride to
> the
> > > midiKITI, I 
> > > > wanted to use the one sound I have in my
> personal
> > > user kit for it, 
> > > > but I know it has 2 sounds (bell and ride
> > > sounds)..I have the Y 
> > > > connector, but Hosa sent the wrong one, I got
> a
> > > stereo male to 2 
> > > > stereo females, and I needed the stereo male
> to to
> > > mono females, 
> > > the 
> > > > guy at the store said it might work, they are
> > > reordering the 
> > > YPP117.
> > > 
> > > The stereo females won't work so let's treat the
> > > visulite as a 
> > > single zone ride for now and forget about the
> bell.
> > > If you can 
> > > connect the bow to the kat successfully, you
> won't
> > > have trouble 
> > > later with the bell.
> > > 
> > > > I plugged in the KITI, I have my midi cables
> > > connectec to midi 
> > > > in/midi out on both...WHICH MIDI OUT channel
> > > should I use on the 
> > > > KITI..there are 2 MIDI OUTS, the book only
> shows a
> > > diagram and 
> > > > doesn't tell which midi out to use, so I
> plugged
> > > it into the midi 
> > > > out outlet next to the midi in outlet.  
> > > 
> > > It doesn't matter which midi out you use. At
> this
> > > point, make sure 
> > > that the visulite bow is connected to an input
> on
> > > the kat.
> > > 
> > > i tried a preset kit, and 
> > > > found a ride sound that changed my #9 pad from
> the
> > > tom sound to a 
> > > > ride cymbal.  I then used the Hosa YPP118 and
> > > connected my a mono 
> > > > plugs from the visulite into inputs 1 and 2 on
> the
> > > KITI.  I went 
> > > to 
> > > > the trigger edit of my preset user kit..named
> it
> 
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PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride from the
KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I am still
getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high pitched
noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad 9 that
was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't change the
note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing 1-1-3
instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be something I
am doing wrong with the DTX.

Here are my values for the UT Mode
UT SEQ SETUP
MIDI Control=off
Count Switch=off
Sync Mode=auto
Use Tempo=song
Click Mode=manual
UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
UT MAP N=65F3...Vol=105  Pan=C
UT MAP N=65F 3...Tune C=-5  F=0
The rest I don't think really matter until we get to 
UT MAP Copy From=1(flashing) Acoustic Kit

Could ANY of these settings be at fault?
I COPIED the Rider3 voices to pad 9 (is really my 3rd
tom)...but as stated earlier...when I hit pad 9 the
data going into the KITI is not the Rider 3 cymbal
assigned to pad 9...I MUST have screwed something
up!!?........WISH I could GET THIS!!!....Jade


--- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's what I have done... I changed my user kit
> number to 80-went into voice and copied the ride
> setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it sounds like a
> ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI input 1.  I
> went into UTILITY Voice here are my settings:
> UT MAP N=10A#-2
> C=/024
> I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO TRAIN-hit
> pad
> #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I tapped
> the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the friggin'
> thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then it
> sounded
> like pad#9's original setting in my user kit...which
> was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP Copy from=1
> Acoustic kit??
> How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to the
> KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3 instead of the
> 0-2-4 that I assigned pad 9?  Am I doing something
> wrong w/ programming the KITI?....Jade
> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
> <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> > For once, we're getting more snow than you, but
> you
> > may have more Al-
> > Quaeda cells. Comments follow:
> > 
> > > Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the Page
> > you're
> > > referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> > > UT MAP N=   OC-2
> > > =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 
> > 
> > That's it.
> > 
> > > So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set the
> > note
> > > number for the ride bow (on my user kit I
> created,
> > I
> > > have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I HAVE
> > NOTHING
> > > PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would
> have
> > to
> > > assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could COPY
> > that
> > > setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save it to
> > user
> > > kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> > > You say I would have to assign a different note
> #
> > > other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would the
> > N= be
> > > an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I GET
> > > CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO
> ASSIGN...Would
> > I
> > > assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or would
> > that
> > > be the input number?  Please be patient with me,
> I
> > > KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come faster
> > for
> > > me...will wait for your response...
> > 
> > The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay on
> > that line for a 
> > moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice
> that
> > the module 
> > notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable
> > because they already 
> > have a preset use. I forget the exact terminology
> > (I'm flying blind 
> > here; I don't have the module). When you get to
> the
> > first midi 
> > number that comes up as available, stay with it
> (and
> > remember it). 
> > It might be around 15; that will be the note
> number
> > for the cymbal 
> > voice that we're about to assign. Go to the next
> > line, "=K/000  NO 
> > ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from the
> kick
> > drum list"; 
> > change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in the
> > number of the ride 
> > voice that you want from the list under "C:
> Cymbal"
> > in the back of 
> > the Yamaha manual. This number IS NOT a midi note
> > number; it is 
> > simply Yamaha's own notation for voices. The
> actual
> > midi note number 
> > is the one on the line above; it will be the one
> > that the kat stores 
> > so that it can access the associated Yamaha cymbal
> > voice. 
> > 
> > Presumably, you have all of your inputs on the DTX
> > filled; that's 
> > why you bought the midikiti. Assign the cymbal
> that
> > you selected in 
> > the utility menu (C/???) to one of inputs 2-10 in
> > the voice menu of 
> > kit #80; it doesn't matter which one you choose,
> as
> > long as it has a 
> > pad connected to it. Now check to make sure that
> the
> > midi note 
> > number assigned to that cymbal in kit 80's voice
> > menu is the one 
> > that you chose in the utility menu. Assuming
> that's
> > ok, when you hit 
> > the pad connected to that input on the DTX, and
> midi
> > note is the 
> > active parameter on the kat, you should see that
> > note number flash 
> > on the kat's face. Now you can dive into the kat
> > manual for gain etc 
> > and make further parameter adjustments in the
> > utility menu of the 
> > DTX, as I outlined in my previous post. Let's stop
> > right there so 
> > that you can digest and utilize this info.
> > 
> > Here's a brief lesson in terminology. Midi note
> > numbers stand for a 
> > particular voice that various midi-capable
> > instruments and modules 
> > can use to obtain the same sound. They are not to
> be
> > confused with 
> > the numbers that Yamaha uses to identify the
> voices
> > in the back of 
> > the DTX manual; these numbers apply to the Yamaha
> > module only. 
> > 
> > Confusing fact: Yamaha's midi numbers in the
> preset
> > kits are not 
> > attached to specific voices but to specific
> inputs.
> > That is, every 
> > input from 1-10 in the module has a particular
> midi
> > number assigned 
> > to it. If you don't use the utility menu to assign
> > specific midi 
> > note numbers to voices, not inputs, then pads
> > connected to the kat 
> > will access different voices when you change kits
> on
> > the DTX, even 
> > though the midi note number stays the same.
> Remember
> > it this way: 
> > The changes in the utility menu release the midi
> > note numbers from 
> > the DTX inputs, each of which can have as many
> > different voices as 
> > the DTX has kits, and attach them to voices
> instead,
> > allowing  
> > devices like the kat to access only the one
> desired,
> > instead of the 
> > variety of voices associated with a particular
> input
> > in all of the 
> > kits.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Jade,
> > > > 
> > > > Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I
> can
> > for
> > > > now below.
> > > > 
> > > > > Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride
> to
> > the
> > > > midiKITI, I 
> > > > > wanted to use the one sound I have in my
> 
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We're getting there. 

> PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride from the
> KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I am still
> getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high pitched
> noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad 9 that
> was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't change the
> note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing 1-1-3
> instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be something I
> am doing wrong with the DTX.

It doesn't matter which input on the kiti you're using; the midi 
note number gets transferred to the kiti's active input, which you 
select either by hitting the pad connected to it or scrolling 
through the inputs (the green lights) manually on the kiti keyboard.
 
> UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3

This is the only setting that matters for getting the midi note 
information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi note number 65 also has 
to show up as the note number for pad 9 when you check in the voice 
menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the button on the front of 
the module. If not, don't do anything else until you make these 
numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work, try other numbers. Save 
kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note number for C/026 on 
input 9, just to make sure that you don't change anything by 
mistake. (Acoustic kit 1 is irrelevant to what we're doing. If you 
set up the note number for the ride on the kiti correctly, you'll 
get the same ride sound for the visulite, no matter what kit on the 
DTX you happen to be using).
 
To keep it simple on the kiti, disconnect everything but the 
visulite bow. Hit the visulite to select its input. Now, 
press "AUTO" to make "midi note number" the active parameter; three 
red lights corresponding to a midi note number (probably not yours) 
should be blinking consecutively, with a pause between each complete 
cycle. Making sure that your foot is not on either the hi hat 
controller or the kick pedal, hit pad 9, C/026, in kit 80; don't 
accidentally hit any other pad afterward. After recognizing the 
default channel 10, the kiti red lights should start to register 0-6-
5, or whatever your final midi note number turned out to be in the 
DTX utility menu. If the correct number flashes, you can continue 
to "Gain Auto Train" on p. 34 to adjust the triggers. If it doesn't, 
it's back to the DTX to figure out why. 

> 
> 
> --- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Here's what I have done... I changed my user kit
> > number to 80-went into voice and copied the ride
> > setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it sounds like a
> > ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI input 1.  I
> > went into UTILITY Voice here are my settings:
> > UT MAP N=10A#-2
> > C=/024
> > I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO TRAIN-hit
> > pad
> > #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I tapped
> > the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the friggin'
> > thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then it
> > sounded
> > like pad#9's original setting in my user kit...which
> > was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> > wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP Copy from=1
> > Acoustic kit??
> > How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to the
> > KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3 instead of the
> > 0-2-4 that I assigned pad 9?  Am I doing something
> > wrong w/ programming the KITI?....Jade
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > For once, we're getting more snow than you, but
> > you
> > > may have more Al-
> > > Quaeda cells. Comments follow:
> > > 
> > > > Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the Page
> > > you're
> > > > referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> > > > UT MAP N=   OC-2
> > > > =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 
> > > 
> > > That's it.
> > > 
> > > > So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set the
> > > note
> > > > number for the ride bow (on my user kit I
> > created,
> > > I
> > > > have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I HAVE
> > > NOTHING
> > > > PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would
> > have
> > > to
> > > > assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could COPY
> > > that
> > > > setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save it to
> > > user
> > > > kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> > > > You say I would have to assign a different note
> > #
> > > > other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would the
> > > N= be
> > > > an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I GET
> > > > CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO
> > ASSIGN...Would
> > > I
> > > > assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or would
> > > that
> > > > be the input number?  Please be patient with me,
> > I
> > > > KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come faster
> > > for
> > > > me...will wait for your response...
> > > 
> > > The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay on
> > > that line for a 
> > > moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice
> > that
> > > the module 
> > > notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable
> > > because they already 
> > > have a preset use. I forget the exact terminology
> > > (I'm flying blind 
> > > here; I don't have the module). When you get to
> > the
> > > first midi 
> > > number that comes up as available, stay with it
> > (and
> > > remember it). 
> > > It might be around 15; that will be the note
> > number
> > > for the cymbal 
> > > voice that we're about to assign. Go to the next
> > > line, "=K/000  NO 
> > > ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from the
> > kick
> > > drum list"; 
> > > change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in the
> > > number of the ride 
> > > voice that you want from the list under "C:
> > Cymbal"
> > > in the back of 
> > > the Yamaha manual. This number IS NOT a midi note
> > > number; it is 
> > > simply Yamaha's own notation for voices. The
> > actual
> > > midi note number 
> > > is the one on the line above; it will be the one
> > > that the kat stores 
> > > so that it can access the associated Yamaha cymbal
> > > voice. 
> > > 
> > > Presumably, you have all of your inputs on the DTX
> > > filled; that's 
> > > why you bought the midikiti. Assign the cymbal
> > that
> > > you selected in 
> > > the utility menu (C/???) to one of inputs 2-10 in
> > > the voice menu of 
> > > kit #80; it doesn't matter which one you choose,
> > as
> > > long as it has a 
> > > pad connected to it. Now check to make sure that
> > the
> > > midi note 
> > > number assigned to that cymbal in kit 80's voice
> > > menu is the one 
> > > that you chose in the utility menu. Assuming
> > that's
> > > ok, when you hit 
> > > the pad connected to that input on the DTX, and
> > midi
> > > note is the 
> > > active parameter on the kat, you should see that
> > > note number flash 
> > > on the kat's face. Now you can dive into the kat
> > > manual for gain etc 
> > > and make further parameter adjustments in the
> > > utility menu of the 
> > > DTX, as I outlined in my previous post. Let's stop
> > > right there so 
> > > that you can digest and utilize this info.
> > > 
> > > Here's a brief lesson in terminology. Midi note
> > > numbers stand for a 
> > > particular voice that various midi-capable
> > > instruments and modules 
> > > can use to obtain the same sound. They are not to
> > be
> > > confused with 
> > > the numbers that Yamaha uses to identify the
> > voices
> > > in the back of 
> > > the DTX manual; these numbers apply to the Yamaha
> > > module only. 
> > > 
> > > Confusing fact: Yamaha's midi numbers in the
> > preset
> > > kits are not 
> > > attached to specific voices but to specific
> > inputs.
> > > That is, every 
> > > input from 1-10 in the module has a particular
> > midi
> > > number assigned 
> > > to it. If you don't use the utility menu to assign
> > > specific midi 
> > > note numbers to voices, not inputs, then pads
> > > connected to the kat 
> > > will access different voices when you change kits
> > on
> > > the DTX, even 
> > > though the midi note number stays the same.
> > Remember
> > > it this way: 
> > > The changes in the utility menu release the midi
> > > note numbers from 
> > > the DTX inputs, each of which can have as many
> > > different voices as 
> > > the DTX has kits, and attach them to voices
> > instead,
> > > allowing  
> > > devices like the kat to access only the one
> > desired,
> > > instead of the 
> > > variety of voices associated with a particular
> > input
> > > in all of the 
> > > kits.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Jade,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Snowing enough for ya? I'll answer best as I
> > can
> > > for
> > > > > now below.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed..I want to move my visulite 18 inch ride
> > to
> > > the
> > > > > midiKITI, I 
> > > > > > wanted to use the one sound I have in my
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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Here's what I did...I re read your last post...I went
into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I made:
I now have these:
UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
=C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)

Under VOICE MENU
KIT*In=pad9
Copy To In=pad9
USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with C/024
Ride Em
I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in Visulite is
in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red lights on
the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the Visulite then
pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into DTX
channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to MIDI NOTE
then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did before, not
106 as it should be.  When I listen to the visulite in
my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a tom
sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't know if
I'M doing something wrong, or if there's something not
set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit pad 9 and
get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite, and I
get a tom...can you think of anything that may be the
problem...could the 9/10 split input on the DTX be
confusing the KITI?
Thanks for your help and patience with me,
Jade
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> We're getting there. 
> 
> > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride from
> the
> > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I am
> still
> > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high pitched
> > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad 9
> that
> > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't change
> the
> > note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing 1-1-3
> > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> something I
> > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> 
> It doesn't matter which input on the kiti you're
> using; the midi 
> note number gets transferred to the kiti's active
> input, which you 
> select either by hitting the pad connected to it or
> scrolling 
> through the inputs (the green lights) manually on
> the kiti keyboard.
>  
> > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> 
> This is the only setting that matters for getting
> the midi note 
> information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi note
> number 65 also has 
> to show up as the note number for pad 9 when you
> check in the voice 
> menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the button
> on the front of 
> the module. If not, don't do anything else until you
> make these 
> numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work, try
> other numbers. Save 
> kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note number
> for C/026 on 
> input 9, just to make sure that you don't change
> anything by 
> mistake. (Acoustic kit 1 is irrelevant to what we're
> doing. If you 
> set up the note number for the ride on the kiti
> correctly, you'll 
> get the same ride sound for the visulite, no matter
> what kit on the 
> DTX you happen to be using).
>  
> To keep it simple on the kiti, disconnect everything
> but the 
> visulite bow. Hit the visulite to select its input.
> Now, 
> press "AUTO" to make "midi note number" the active
> parameter; three 
> red lights corresponding to a midi note number
> (probably not yours) 
> should be blinking consecutively, with a pause
> between each complete 
> cycle. Making sure that your foot is not on either
> the hi hat 
> controller or the kick pedal, hit pad 9, C/026, in
> kit 80; don't 
> accidentally hit any other pad afterward. After
> recognizing the 
> default channel 10, the kiti red lights should start
> to register 0-6-
> 5, or whatever your final midi note number turned
> out to be in the 
> DTX utility menu. If the correct number flashes, you
> can continue 
> to "Gain Auto Train" on p. 34 to adjust the
> triggers. If it doesn't, 
> it's back to the DTX to figure out why. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here's what I have done... I changed my user kit
> > > number to 80-went into voice and copied the ride
> > > setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it sounds
> like a
> > > ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI input
> 1.  I
> > > went into UTILITY Voice here are my settings:
> > > UT MAP N=10A#-2
> > > C=/024
> > > I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO
> TRAIN-hit
> > > pad
> > > #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I
> tapped
> > > the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the
> friggin'
> > > thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then it
> > > sounded
> > > like pad#9's original setting in my user
> kit...which
> > > was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> > > wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP Copy
> from=1
> > > Acoustic kit??
> > > How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to the
> > > KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3 instead of
> the
> > > 0-2-4 that I assigned pad 9?  Am I doing
> something
> > > wrong w/ programming the KITI?....Jade
> > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > For once, we're getting more snow than you,
> but
> > > you
> > > > may have more Al-
> > > > Quaeda cells. Comments follow:
> > > > 
> > > > > Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the
> Page
> > > > you're
> > > > > referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> > > > > UT MAP N=   OC-2
> > > > > =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 
> > > > 
> > > > That's it.
> > > > 
> > > > > So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set
> the
> > > > note
> > > > > number for the ride bow (on my user kit I
> > > created,
> > > > I
> > > > > have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I
> HAVE
> > > > NOTHING
> > > > > PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could
> COPY
> > > > that
> > > > > setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save
> it to
> > > > user
> > > > > kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> > > > > You say I would have to assign a different
> note
> > > #
> > > > > other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would
> the
> > > > N= be
> > > > > an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I
> GET
> > > > > CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO
> > > ASSIGN...Would
> > > > I
> > > > > assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or
> would
> > > > that
> > > > > be the input number?  Please be patient with
> me,
> > > I
> > > > > KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come
> faster
> > > > for
> > > > > me...will wait for your response...
> > > > 
> > > > The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay
> on
> > > > that line for a 
> > > > moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice
> > > that
> > > > the module 
> > > > notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable
> > > > because they already 
> > > > have a preset use. I forget the exact
> terminology
> > > > (I'm flying blind 
> > > > here; I don't have the module). When you get
> to
> > > the
> > > > first midi 
> > > > number that comes up as available, stay with
> it
> > > (and
> > > > remember it). 
> > > > It might be around 15; that will be the note
> > > number
> > > > for the cymbal 
> > > > voice that we're about to assign. Go to the
> next
> > > > line, "=K/000  NO 
> > > > ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from
> the
> > > kick
> > > > drum list"; 
> > > > change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in
> the
> 
=== message truncated ===


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Are you by any chance hitting the pad on input 10 instead of input 
9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk when you hit 9 that 
another pad's note number is going through? Check to see whether one 
of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries note number 113. If so, 
see if you can figure out how it's taking over.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:

> 
> 
> Here's what I did...I re read your last post...I went
> into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I made:
> I now have these:
> UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
> =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> 
> Under VOICE MENU
> KIT*In=pad9
> Copy To In=pad9
> USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with C/024
> Ride Em
> I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in Visulite is
> in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red lights on
> the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the Visulite then
> pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
> flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into DTX
> channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to MIDI NOTE
> then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did before, not
> 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the visulite in
> my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a tom
> sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't know if
> I'M doing something wrong, or if there's something not
> set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit pad 9 and
> get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite, and I
> get a tom...can you think of anything that may be the
> problem...could the 9/10 split input on the DTX be
> confusing the KITI?
> Thanks for your help and patience with me,
> Jade
> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > We're getting there. 
> > 
> > > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride from
> > the
> > > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I am
> > still
> > > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high pitched
> > > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad 9
> > that
> > > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't change
> > the
> > > note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing 1-1-3
> > > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> > something I
> > > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> > 
> > It doesn't matter which input on the kiti you're
> > using; the midi 
> > note number gets transferred to the kiti's active
> > input, which you 
> > select either by hitting the pad connected to it or
> > scrolling 
> > through the inputs (the green lights) manually on
> > the kiti keyboard.
> >  
> > > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> > 
> > This is the only setting that matters for getting
> > the midi note 
> > information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi note
> > number 65 also has 
> > to show up as the note number for pad 9 when you
> > check in the voice 
> > menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the button
> > on the front of 
> > the module. If not, don't do anything else until you
> > make these 
> > numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work, try
> > other numbers. Save 
> > kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note number
> > for C/026 on 
> > input 9, just to make sure that you don't change
> > anything by 
> > mistake. (Acoustic kit 1 is irrelevant to what we're
> > doing. If you 
> > set up the note number for the ride on the kiti
> > correctly, you'll 
> > get the same ride sound for the visulite, no matter
> > what kit on the 
> > DTX you happen to be using).
> >  
> > To keep it simple on the kiti, disconnect everything
> > but the 
> > visulite bow. Hit the visulite to select its input.
> > Now, 
> > press "AUTO" to make "midi note number" the active
> > parameter; three 
> > red lights corresponding to a midi note number
> > (probably not yours) 
> > should be blinking consecutively, with a pause
> > between each complete 
> > cycle. Making sure that your foot is not on either
> > the hi hat 
> > controller or the kick pedal, hit pad 9, C/026, in
> > kit 80; don't 
> > accidentally hit any other pad afterward. After
> > recognizing the 
> > default channel 10, the kiti red lights should start
> > to register 0-6-
> > 5, or whatever your final midi note number turned
> > out to be in the 
> > DTX utility menu. If the correct number flashes, you
> > can continue 
> > to "Gain Auto Train" on p. 34 to adjust the
> > triggers. If it doesn't, 
> > it's back to the DTX to figure out why. 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Here's what I have done... I changed my user kit
> > > > number to 80-went into voice and copied the ride
> > > > setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it sounds
> > like a
> > > > ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI input
> > 1.  I
> > > > went into UTILITY Voice here are my settings:
> > > > UT MAP N=10A#-2
> > > > C=/024
> > > > I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO
> > TRAIN-hit
> > > > pad
> > > > #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I
> > tapped
> > > > the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the
> > friggin'
> > > > thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then it
> > > > sounded
> > > > like pad#9's original setting in my user
> > kit...which
> > > > was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> > > > wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP Copy
> > from=1
> > > > Acoustic kit??
> > > > How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to the
> > > > KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3 instead of
> > the
> > > > 0-2-4 that I assigned pad 9?  Am I doing
> > something
> > > > wrong w/ programming the KITI?....Jade
> > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > For once, we're getting more snow than you,
> > but
> > > > you
> > > > > may have more Al-
> > > > > Quaeda cells. Comments follow:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Now that UTILITY MODE...on the MAP...the
> > Page
> > > > > you're
> > > > > > referring to is it  under section 5-1.
> > > > > > UT MAP N=   OC-2
> > > > > > =K/000  NO ASSIGN? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > So while I am on this MAP Page, I would set
> > the
> > > > > note
> > > > > > number for the ride bow (on my user kit I
> > > > created,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have note #49 Category 040)  RIGHT NOW I
> > HAVE
> > > > > NOTHING
> > > > > > PLUGGED INTO OUTLET 6 ON THE DTX, so I would
> > > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > > assign this cymbal sound to pad#9.  I could
> > COPY
> > > > > that
> > > > > > setting to say INPUT 7, then when and save
> > it to
> > > > > user
> > > > > > kit #80?  Am I following you right?
> > > > > > You say I would have to assign a different
> > note
> > > > #
> > > > > > other than the #49 on this UT MAP N= **would
> > the
> > > > > N= be
> > > > > > an INPUT or a NOTE NUMBER?  This is where I
> > GET
> > > > > > CONFUSED....and Where it says K+NO
> > > > ASSIGN...Would
> > > > > I
> > > > > > assign whatever the 040 Ride cymbal is or
> > would
> > > > > that
> > > > > > be the input number?  Please be patient with
> > me,
> > > > I
> > > > > > KNOW I am DENSE, just wish it would come
> > faster
> > > > > for
> > > > > > me...will wait for your response...
> > > > > 
> > > > > The "N=" setting is for midi note number. Stay
> > on
> > > > > that line for a 
> > > > > moment. As you scroll up from 0, you'll notice
> > > > that
> > > > > the module 
> > > > > notifies you when midi numbers are unavailable
> > > > > because they already 
> > > > > have a preset use. I forget the exact
> > terminology
> > > > > (I'm flying blind 
> > > > > here; I don't have the module). When you get
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > first midi 
> > > > > number that comes up as available, stay with
> > it
> > > > (and
> > > > > remember it). 
> > > > > It might be around 15; that will be the note
> > > > number
> > > > > for the cymbal 
> > > > > voice that we're about to assign. Go to the
> > next
> > > > > line, "=K/000  NO 
> > > > > ASSIGN," which means "nothing assigned from
> > the
> > > > kick
> > > > > drum list"; 
> > > > > change the K to C, for cymbal; and write in
> > the
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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I checked every note for the entire kit, and 113 is
NOT assigned to anything..the other pad connected to
the 9/10 is the cymbal bell pad-that's on 10, and my
other tom was on 9-that's the one reassigned to the
cymbal that should read note 106-not 113.  But it's
funny, my tom is now on the cymbal.  I wonder if there
is a problem with the KITI?
Jade
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Are you by any chance hitting the pad on input 10
> instead of input 
> 9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk when you
> hit 9 that 
> another pad's note number is going through? Check to
> see whether one 
> of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries note
> number 113. If so, 
> see if you can figure out how it's taking over.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Here's what I did...I re read your last post...I
> went
> > into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I
> made:
> > I now have these:
> > UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
> > =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> > 
> > Under VOICE MENU
> > KIT*In=pad9
> > Copy To In=pad9
> > USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with
> C/024
> > Ride Em
> > I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in Visulite
> is
> > in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red lights
> on
> > the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the Visulite
> then
> > pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
> > flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into DTX
> > channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to MIDI
> NOTE
> > then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did before,
> not
> > 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the
> visulite in
> > my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a tom
> > sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't know
> if
> > I'M doing something wrong, or if there's something
> not
> > set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit pad 9
> and
> > get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite, and
> I
> > get a tom...can you think of anything that may be
> the
> > problem...could the 9/10 split input on the DTX be
> > confusing the KITI?
> > Thanks for your help and patience with me,
> > Jade
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > We're getting there. 
> > > 
> > > > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride
> from
> > > the
> > > > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I
> am
> > > still
> > > > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high
> pitched
> > > > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad
> 9
> > > that
> > > > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't
> change
> > > the
> > > > note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing
> 1-1-3
> > > > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> > > something I
> > > > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> > > 
> > > It doesn't matter which input on the kiti you're
> > > using; the midi 
> > > note number gets transferred to the kiti's
> active
> > > input, which you 
> > > select either by hitting the pad connected to it
> or
> > > scrolling 
> > > through the inputs (the green lights) manually
> on
> > > the kiti keyboard.
> > >  
> > > > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> > > 
> > > This is the only setting that matters for
> getting
> > > the midi note 
> > > information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi note
> > > number 65 also has 
> > > to show up as the note number for pad 9 when you
> > > check in the voice 
> > > menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the
> button
> > > on the front of 
> > > the module. If not, don't do anything else until
> you
> > > make these 
> > > numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work, try
> > > other numbers. Save 
> > > kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note
> number
> > > for C/026 on 
> > > input 9, just to make sure that you don't change
> > > anything by 
> > > mistake. (Acoustic kit 1 is irrelevant to what
> we're
> > > doing. If you 
> > > set up the note number for the ride on the kiti
> > > correctly, you'll 
> > > get the same ride sound for the visulite, no
> matter
> > > what kit on the 
> > > DTX you happen to be using).
> > >  
> > > To keep it simple on the kiti, disconnect
> everything
> > > but the 
> > > visulite bow. Hit the visulite to select its
> input.
> > > Now, 
> > > press "AUTO" to make "midi note number" the
> active
> > > parameter; three 
> > > red lights corresponding to a midi note number
> > > (probably not yours) 
> > > should be blinking consecutively, with a pause
> > > between each complete 
> > > cycle. Making sure that your foot is not on
> either
> > > the hi hat 
> > > controller or the kick pedal, hit pad 9, C/026,
> in
> > > kit 80; don't 
> > > accidentally hit any other pad afterward. After
> > > recognizing the 
> > > default channel 10, the kiti red lights should
> start
> > > to register 0-6-
> > > 5, or whatever your final midi note number
> turned
> > > out to be in the 
> > > DTX utility menu. If the correct number flashes,
> you
> > > can continue 
> > > to "Gain Auto Train" on p. 34 to adjust the
> > > triggers. If it doesn't, 
> > > it's back to the DTX to figure out why. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here's what I have done... I changed my user
> kit
> > > > > number to 80-went into voice and copied the
> ride
> > > > > setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it
> sounds
> > > like a
> > > > > ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI
> input
> > > 1.  I
> > > > > went into UTILITY Voice here are my
> settings:
> > > > > UT MAP N=10A#-2
> > > > > C=/024
> > > > > I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO
> > > TRAIN-hit
> > > > > pad
> > > > > #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I
> > > tapped
> > > > > the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the
> > > friggin'
> > > > > thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then
> it
> > > > > sounded
> > > > > like pad#9's original setting in my user
> > > kit...which
> > > > > was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> > > > > wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP
> Copy
> > > from=1
> > > > > Acoustic kit??
> > > > > How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to
> the
> > > > > KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3
> instead of
> 
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Aha!  Ed...ther IS CROSS TALK!  It is coming from tom2
that sits under my ride, but the note for tom 2 is
47(B1).  For 1 second I was able to get a cymbal sound
on the ride...I don't know how to program the KITI...I
would stirke the Visulite-press AUTO TRAIN then hit
pad 9 for the cymbal...it still flashed 1-1-3 si I
used the arrows to make it flash to note 106-what it
SHOULD read, then I pressed SAVE and waited a minute
then I tapped the Visulite, and got the cymbal sound,
but then I lost the cymbal sound, when I tap the pad
hard, that's when I get a high pitched bell sound on
one section of the pad, and if I tap it near the
piezo, that's when I get a tom sound.  This should be
easier than this...something isn't right...I have NO
note numbers of 1-1-3 in my kit for any pads.  I am
wondering if the KITI needs to be re-programmed? Just
a thought.  
Jade
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Are you by any chance hitting the pad on input 10
> instead of input 
> 9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk when you
> hit 9 that 
> another pad's note number is going through? Check to
> see whether one 
> of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries note
> number 113. If so, 
> see if you can figure out how it's taking over.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Here's what I did...I re read your last post...I
> went
> > into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I
> made:
> > I now have these:
> > UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
> > =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> > 
> > Under VOICE MENU
> > KIT*In=pad9
> > Copy To In=pad9
> > USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with
> C/024
> > Ride Em
> > I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in Visulite
> is
> > in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red lights
> on
> > the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the Visulite
> then
> > pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
> > flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into DTX
> > channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to MIDI
> NOTE
> > then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did before,
> not
> > 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the
> visulite in
> > my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a tom
> > sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't know
> if
> > I'M doing something wrong, or if there's something
> not
> > set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit pad 9
> and
> > get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite, and
> I
> > get a tom...can you think of anything that may be
> the
> > problem...could the 9/10 split input on the DTX be
> > confusing the KITI?
> > Thanks for your help and patience with me,
> > Jade
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > We're getting there. 
> > > 
> > > > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride
> from
> > > the
> > > > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I
> am
> > > still
> > > > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high
> pitched
> > > > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad
> 9
> > > that
> > > > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't
> change
> > > the
> > > > note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing
> 1-1-3
> > > > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> > > something I
> > > > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> > > 
> > > It doesn't matter which input on the kiti you're
> > > using; the midi 
> > > note number gets transferred to the kiti's
> active
> > > input, which you 
> > > select either by hitting the pad connected to it
> or
> > > scrolling 
> > > through the inputs (the green lights) manually
> on
> > > the kiti keyboard.
> > >  
> > > > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> > > 
> > > This is the only setting that matters for
> getting
> > > the midi note 
> > > information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi note
> > > number 65 also has 
> > > to show up as the note number for pad 9 when you
> > > check in the voice 
> > > menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the
> button
> > > on the front of 
> > > the module. If not, don't do anything else until
> you
> > > make these 
> > > numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work, try
> > > other numbers. Save 
> > > kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note
> number
> > > for C/026 on 
> > > input 9, just to make sure that you don't change
> > > anything by 
> > > mistake. (Acoustic kit 1 is irrelevant to what
> we're
> > > doing. If you 
> > > set up the note number for the ride on the kiti
> > > correctly, you'll 
> > > get the same ride sound for the visulite, no
> matter
> > > what kit on the 
> > > DTX you happen to be using).
> > >  
> > > To keep it simple on the kiti, disconnect
> everything
> > > but the 
> > > visulite bow. Hit the visulite to select its
> input.
> > > Now, 
> > > press "AUTO" to make "midi note number" the
> active
> > > parameter; three 
> > > red lights corresponding to a midi note number
> > > (probably not yours) 
> > > should be blinking consecutively, with a pause
> > > between each complete 
> > > cycle. Making sure that your foot is not on
> either
> > > the hi hat 
> > > controller or the kick pedal, hit pad 9, C/026,
> in
> > > kit 80; don't 
> > > accidentally hit any other pad afterward. After
> > > recognizing the 
> > > default channel 10, the kiti red lights should
> start
> > > to register 0-6-
> > > 5, or whatever your final midi note number
> turned
> > > out to be in the 
> > > DTX utility menu. If the correct number flashes,
> you
> > > can continue 
> > > to "Gain Auto Train" on p. 34 to adjust the
> > > triggers. If it doesn't, 
> > > it's back to the DTX to figure out why. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here's what I have done... I changed my user
> kit
> > > > > number to 80-went into voice and copied the
> ride
> > > > > setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it
> sounds
> > > like a
> > > > > ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI
> input
> > > 1.  I
> > > > > went into UTILITY Voice here are my
> settings:
> > > > > UT MAP N=10A#-2
> > > > > C=/024
> > > > > I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO
> > > TRAIN-hit
> > > > > pad
> > > > > #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I
> > > tapped
> > > > > the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the
> > > friggin'
> > > > > thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then
> it
> > > > > sounded
> > > > > like pad#9's original setting in my user
> > > kit...which
> > > > > was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> > > > > wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP
> Copy
> > > from=1
> > > > > Acoustic kit??
> > > > > How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to
> the
> > > > > KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3
> instead of
> 
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Let's try this first: Get into midi note auto train and instruct the 
kiti to show 106 either by tapping pad 9 or manually by pressing the 
down arrow key. Make sure that 106 is the final number flashing. 
Don't hit pad 9 again, or anything else on the DTX. 

Now go right to Gain Auto Train (p. 34 in the manual) by pressing 
auto to make both yellow lights go on. Follow the rest of the 
instructions from pp. 34-36. When you're finished, hit the Visu-
lite. Is it right? If not, we'll program the C/024 (N=106) cymbal 
sound to another pad in kit 80 and switch the Visu-lite to another 
input and do the same thing.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:

> Aha!  Ed...ther IS CROSS TALK!  It is coming from tom2
> that sits under my ride, but the note for tom 2 is
> 47(B1).  For 1 second I was able to get a cymbal sound
> on the ride...I don't know how to program the KITI...I
> would stirke the Visulite-press AUTO TRAIN then hit
> pad 9 for the cymbal...it still flashed 1-1-3 si I
> used the arrows to make it flash to note 106-what it
> SHOULD read, then I pressed SAVE and waited a minute
> then I tapped the Visulite, and got the cymbal sound,
> but then I lost the cymbal sound, when I tap the pad
> hard, that's when I get a high pitched bell sound on
> one section of the pad, and if I tap it near the
> piezo, that's when I get a tom sound.  This should be
> easier than this...something isn't right...I have NO
> note numbers of 1-1-3 in my kit for any pads.  I am
> wondering if the KITI needs to be re-programmed? Just
> a thought.  
> Jade
> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Are you by any chance hitting the pad on input 10
> > instead of input 
> > 9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk when you
> > hit 9 that 
> > another pad's note number is going through? Check to
> > see whether one 
> > of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries note
> > number 113. If so, 
> > see if you can figure out how it's taking over.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here's what I did...I re read your last post...I
> > went
> > > into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I
> > made:
> > > I now have these:
> > > UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
> > > =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> > > 
> > > Under VOICE MENU
> > > KIT*In=pad9
> > > Copy To In=pad9
> > > USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with
> > C/024
> > > Ride Em
> > > I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in Visulite
> > is
> > > in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red lights
> > on
> > > the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the Visulite
> > then
> > > pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
> > > flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into DTX
> > > channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to MIDI
> > NOTE
> > > then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did before,
> > not
> > > 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the
> > visulite in
> > > my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a tom
> > > sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't know
> > if
> > > I'M doing something wrong, or if there's something
> > not
> > > set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit pad 9
> > and
> > > get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite, and
> > I
> > > get a tom...can you think of anything that may be
> > the
> > > problem...could the 9/10 split input on the DTX be
> > > confusing the KITI?
> > > Thanks for your help and patience with me,
> > > Jade
> > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > We're getting there. 
> > > > 
> > > > > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the ride
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on KITI...I
> > am
> > > > still
> > > > > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high
> > pitched
> > > > > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my pad
> > 9
> > > > that
> > > > > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't
> > change
> > > > the
> > > > > note number on the KITI...it keeps flashing
> > 1-1-3
> > > > > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> > > > something I
> > > > > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> > > > 
> > > > It doesn't matter which input on the kiti you're
> > > > using; the midi 
> > > > note number gets transferred to the kiti's
> > active
> > > > input, which you 
> > > > select either by hitting the pad connected to it
> > or
> > > > scrolling 
> > > > through the inputs (the green lights) manually
> > on
> > > > the kiti keyboard.
> > > >  
> > > > > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> > > > 
> > > > This is the only setting that matters for
> > getting
> > > > the midi note 
> > > > information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi note
> > > > number 65 also has 
> > > > to show up as the note number for pad 9 when you
> > > > check in the voice 
> > > > menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the
> > button
> > > > on the front of 
> > > > the module. If not, don't do anything else until
> > you
> > > > make these 
> > > > numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work, try
> > > > other numbers. Save 
> > > > kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note
> > number
> > > > for C/026 on 
> > > > input 9, just to make sure that you don't change
> > > > anything by 
> > > > mistake. (Acoustic kit 1 is irrelevant to what
> > we're
> > > > doing. If you 
> > > > set up the note number for the ride on the kiti
> > > > correctly, you'll 
> > > > get the same ride sound for the visulite, no
> > matter
> > > > what kit on the 
> > > > DTX you happen to be using).
> > > >  
> > > > To keep it simple on the kiti, disconnect
> > everything
> > > > but the 
> > > > visulite bow. Hit the visulite to select its
> > input.
> > > > Now, 
> > > > press "AUTO" to make "midi note number" the
> > active
> > > > parameter; three 
> > > > red lights corresponding to a midi note number
> > > > (probably not yours) 
> > > > should be blinking consecutively, with a pause
> > > > between each complete 
> > > > cycle. Making sure that your foot is not on
> > either
> > > > the hi hat 
> > > > controller or the kick pedal, hit pad 9, C/026,
> > in
> > > > kit 80; don't 
> > > > accidentally hit any other pad afterward. After
> > > > recognizing the 
> > > > default channel 10, the kiti red lights should
> > start
> > > > to register 0-6-
> > > > 5, or whatever your final midi note number
> > turned
> > > > out to be in the 
> > > > DTX utility menu. If the correct number flashes,
> > you
> > > > can continue 
> > > > to "Gain Auto Train" on p. 34 to adjust the
> > > > triggers. If it doesn't, 
> > > > it's back to the DTX to figure out why. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here's what I have done... I changed my user
> > kit
> > > > > > number to 80-went into voice and copied the
> > ride
> > > > > > setting to pad 9...when I hit pad 9 it
> > sounds
> > > > like a
> > > > > > ride...the Visulite is plugged into KITI
> > input
> > > > 1.  I
> > > > > > went into UTILITY Voice here are my
> > settings:
> > > > > > UT MAP N=10A#-2
> > > > > > C=/024
> > > > > > I then went to the KITI and pressed AUTO
> > > > TRAIN-hit
> > > > > > pad
> > > > > > #9 and the numbers blinking were 1-1-3!!!  I
> > > > tapped
> > > > > > the Visulite (plugged into KITI) and the
> > > > friggin'
> > > > > > thing sounds like a high pitched bell/ then
> > it
> > > > > > sounded
> > > > > > like pad#9's original setting in my user
> > > > kit...which
> > > > > > was a 3rd tom!!  WHAT the hell am I doing
> > > > > > wrong...also...should I copy this UT MAP
> > Copy
> > > > from=1
> > > > > > Acoustic kit??
> > > > > > How do I move the cymbal from user kit 80 to
> > the
> > > > > > KITI...and WHY is it flashing a 1-1-3
> > instead of
> > 
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> 
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One of the problems was that MIDI Channel on the KITI
was set to 1!!!  I called Mario at AM, he ran me thru
a few things, but needed to see a manuel before we
could get anywhere.  He is supposed to call me Wed or
Thurs.  I have to be out of town on Wed. for most of
the day, so I will get a chance to re-read the KITI
manuel...Mario thinks it needs to be totally
retrained, probably settings from who ever had it are
over riding what I am trying to do.  However, i will
try what you told me.  The tom noise I am hearing IS
coming from my 2nd tom...AND V=2 note is 102...funny
how it's flashing 103!
Will keep ya posted, and Thanks, buddy for all your
help!
Jade

--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Let's try this first: Get into midi note auto train
> and instruct the 
> kiti to show 106 either by tapping pad 9 or manually
> by pressing the 
> down arrow key. Make sure that 106 is the final
> number flashing. 
> Don't hit pad 9 again, or anything else on the DTX. 
> 
> Now go right to Gain Auto Train (p. 34 in the
> manual) by pressing 
> auto to make both yellow lights go on. Follow the
> rest of the 
> instructions from pp. 34-36. When you're finished,
> hit the Visu-
> lite. Is it right? If not, we'll program the C/024
> (N=106) cymbal 
> sound to another pad in kit 80 and switch the
> Visu-lite to another 
> input and do the same thing.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Aha!  Ed...ther IS CROSS TALK!  It is coming from
> tom2
> > that sits under my ride, but the note for tom 2 is
> > 47(B1).  For 1 second I was able to get a cymbal
> sound
> > on the ride...I don't know how to program the
> KITI...I
> > would stirke the Visulite-press AUTO TRAIN then
> hit
> > pad 9 for the cymbal...it still flashed 1-1-3 si I
> > used the arrows to make it flash to note 106-what
> it
> > SHOULD read, then I pressed SAVE and waited a
> minute
> > then I tapped the Visulite, and got the cymbal
> sound,
> > but then I lost the cymbal sound, when I tap the
> pad
> > hard, that's when I get a high pitched bell sound
> on
> > one section of the pad, and if I tap it near the
> > piezo, that's when I get a tom sound.  This should
> be
> > easier than this...something isn't right...I have
> NO
> > note numbers of 1-1-3 in my kit for any pads.  I
> am
> > wondering if the KITI needs to be re-programmed?
> Just
> > a thought.  
> > Jade
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Are you by any chance hitting the pad on input
> 10
> > > instead of input 
> > > 9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk when
> you
> > > hit 9 that 
> > > another pad's note number is going through?
> Check to
> > > see whether one 
> > > of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries note
> > > number 113. If so, 
> > > see if you can figure out how it's taking over.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Here's what I did...I re read your last
> post...I
> > > went
> > > > into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I
> > > made:
> > > > I now have these:
> > > > UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
> > > > =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> > > > 
> > > > Under VOICE MENU
> > > > KIT*In=pad9
> > > > Copy To In=pad9
> > > > USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with
> > > C/024
> > > > Ride Em
> > > > I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in
> Visulite
> > > is
> > > > in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red
> lights
> > > on
> > > > the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the
> Visulite
> > > then
> > > > pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
> > > > flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into
> DTX
> > > > channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to
> MIDI
> > > NOTE
> > > > then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did
> before,
> > > not
> > > > 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the
> > > visulite in
> > > > my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a
> tom
> > > > sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't
> know
> > > if
> > > > I'M doing something wrong, or if there's
> something
> > > not
> > > > set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit
> pad 9
> > > and
> > > > get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite,
> and
> > > I
> > > > get a tom...can you think of anything that may
> be
> > > the
> > > > problem...could the 9/10 split input on the
> DTX be
> > > > confusing the KITI?
> > > > Thanks for your help and patience with me,
> > > > Jade
> > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > We're getting there. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the
> ride
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on
> KITI...I
> > > am
> > > > > still
> > > > > > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high
> > > pitched
> > > > > > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my
> pad
> > > 9
> > > > > that
> > > > > > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't
> > > change
> > > > > the
> > > > > > note number on the KITI...it keeps
> flashing
> > > 1-1-3
> > > > > > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> > > > > something I
> > > > > > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It doesn't matter which input on the kiti
> you're
> > > > > using; the midi 
> > > > > note number gets transferred to the kiti's
> > > active
> > > > > input, which you 
> > > > > select either by hitting the pad connected
> to it
> > > or
> > > > > scrolling 
> > > > > through the inputs (the green lights)
> manually
> > > on
> > > > > the kiti keyboard.
> > > > >  
> > > > > > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is the only setting that matters for
> > > getting
> > > > > the midi note 
> > > > > information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi
> note
> > > > > number 65 also has 
> > > > > to show up as the note number for pad 9 when
> you
> > > > > check in the voice 
> > > > > menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the
> > > button
> > > > > on the front of 
> > > > > the module. If not, don't do anything else
> until
> > > you
> > > > > make these 
> > > > > numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work,
> try
> > > > > other numbers. Save 
> > > > > kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note
> > > number
> > > > > for C/026 on 
> > > > > input 9, just to make sure that you don't
> change
> > > > > anything by 
> 
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Sometimes the inputs are locked out individually; that's why I 
suggested that you try another one. If switching the visulite to 
another input does the trick, maybe Mario can tell you how to 
retrain the kiti input by input, without having to do a universal re-
initialization to factory settings, so that you won't have to start 
everything from scratch again. If he can, you can let me know the 
technique.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:

> One of the problems was that MIDI Channel on the KITI
> was set to 1!!!  I called Mario at AM, he ran me thru
> a few things, but needed to see a manuel before we
> could get anywhere.  He is supposed to call me Wed or
> Thurs.  I have to be out of town on Wed. for most of
> the day, so I will get a chance to re-read the KITI
> manuel...Mario thinks it needs to be totally
> retrained, probably settings from who ever had it are
> over riding what I am trying to do.  However, i will
> try what you told me.  The tom noise I am hearing IS
> coming from my 2nd tom...AND V=2 note is 102...funny
> how it's flashing 103!
> Will keep ya posted, and Thanks, buddy for all your
> help!
> Jade
> 
> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Let's try this first: Get into midi note auto train
> > and instruct the 
> > kiti to show 106 either by tapping pad 9 or manually
> > by pressing the 
> > down arrow key. Make sure that 106 is the final
> > number flashing. 
> > Don't hit pad 9 again, or anything else on the DTX. 
> > 
> > Now go right to Gain Auto Train (p. 34 in the
> > manual) by pressing 
> > auto to make both yellow lights go on. Follow the
> > rest of the 
> > instructions from pp. 34-36. When you're finished,
> > hit the Visu-
> > lite. Is it right? If not, we'll program the C/024
> > (N=106) cymbal 
> > sound to another pad in kit 80 and switch the
> > Visu-lite to another 
> > input and do the same thing.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Aha!  Ed...ther IS CROSS TALK!  It is coming from
> > tom2
> > > that sits under my ride, but the note for tom 2 is
> > > 47(B1).  For 1 second I was able to get a cymbal
> > sound
> > > on the ride...I don't know how to program the
> > KITI...I
> > > would stirke the Visulite-press AUTO TRAIN then
> > hit
> > > pad 9 for the cymbal...it still flashed 1-1-3 si I
> > > used the arrows to make it flash to note 106-what
> > it
> > > SHOULD read, then I pressed SAVE and waited a
> > minute
> > > then I tapped the Visulite, and got the cymbal
> > sound,
> > > but then I lost the cymbal sound, when I tap the
> > pad
> > > hard, that's when I get a high pitched bell sound
> > on
> > > one section of the pad, and if I tap it near the
> > > piezo, that's when I get a tom sound.  This should
> > be
> > > easier than this...something isn't right...I have
> > NO
> > > note numbers of 1-1-3 in my kit for any pads.  I
> > am
> > > wondering if the KITI needs to be re-programmed?
> > Just
> > > a thought.  
> > > Jade
> > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Are you by any chance hitting the pad on input
> > 10
> > > > instead of input 
> > > > 9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk when
> > you
> > > > hit 9 that 
> > > > another pad's note number is going through?
> > Check to
> > > > see whether one 
> > > > of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries note
> > > > number 113. If so, 
> > > > see if you can figure out how it's taking over.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here's what I did...I re read your last
> > post...I
> > > > went
> > > > > into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one mistake I
> > > > made:
> > > > > I now have these:
> > > > > UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no assign)
> > > > > =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Under VOICE MENU
> > > > > KIT*In=pad9
> > > > > Copy To In=pad9
> > > > > USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6 with
> > > > C/024
> > > > > Ride Em
> > > > > I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in
> > Visulite
> > > > is
> > > > > in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red
> > lights
> > > > on
> > > > > the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the
> > Visulite
> > > > then
> > > > > pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1 still
> > > > > flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged into
> > DTX
> > > > > channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up to
> > MIDI
> > > > NOTE
> > > > > then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did
> > before,
> > > > not
> > > > > 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the
> > > > visulite in
> > > > > my headphones, the sound it is picking up is a
> > tom
> > > > > sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I don't
> > know
> > > > if
> > > > > I'M doing something wrong, or if there's
> > something
> > > > not
> > > > > set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I hit
> > pad 9
> > > > and
> > > > > get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the visulite,
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > get a tom...can you think of anything that may
> > be
> > > > the
> > > > > problem...could the 9/10 split input on the
> > DTX be
> > > > > confusing the KITI?
> > > > > Thanks for your help and patience with me,
> > > > > Jade
> > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > We're getting there. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > PS...one more thing....I unplugged the
> > ride
> > > > from
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > KITI and plugged it into input 2 on
> > KITI...I
> > > > am
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > > getting the tom sound...that WASN'T a high
> > > > pitched
> > > > > > > noise I heard...it was a tom voice.  So my
> > pad
> > > > 9
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > was my 3rd tom is now on my RIDE...I can't
> > > > change
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > note number on the KITI...it keeps
> > flashing
> > > > 1-1-3
> > > > > > > instead of 0-2-4 or 0-2-6....It's gotta be
> > > > > > something I
> > > > > > > am doing wrong with the DTX.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It doesn't matter which input on the kiti
> > you're
> > > > > > using; the midi 
> > > > > > note number gets transferred to the kiti's
> > > > active
> > > > > > input, which you 
> > > > > > select either by hitting the pad connected
> > to it
> > > > or
> > > > > > scrolling 
> > > > > > through the inputs (the green lights)
> > manually
> > > > on
> > > > > > the kiti keyboard.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > UT MAP N=65F...C/026 Rider3
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is the only setting that matters for
> > > > getting
> > > > > > the midi note 
> > > > > > information from the DTX to the kiti. Midi
> > note
> > > > > > number 65 also has 
> > > > > > to show up as the note number for pad 9 when
> > you
> > > > > > check in the voice 
> > > > > > menu of kit 80. If so, save kit 80 with the
> > > > button
> > > > > > on the front of 
> > > > > > the module. If not, don't do anything else
> > until
> > > > you
> > > > > > make these 
> > > > > > numbers match; if 65 turns out not to work,
> > try
> > > > > > other numbers. Save 
> > > > > > kit 80 when you've arrived at a viable note
> > > > number
> > > > > > for C/026 on 
> > > > > > input 9, just to make sure that you don't
> > change
> > > > > > anything by 
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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Unfortunately, he was at home when he called me, and
he needed to see the manuel (which was at the
factory)..he's going to look at the manuel tomorrow,
and like I said, call me, probably Thurs.  I am sure I
will have to call him, as he will be busy, he told me
he was leaving for Fla for 4 days.  He told me not to
worry about the auto train, if I assign a midi note, I
can program it in, or should be able to.  He was
limited because he didn't have the manuel or a KITI in
front of him.  He also suggested I use preset notes
from the DTX that are assigned to the cymbals.  
I may end up having to retrain each pad.  Like I said,
I AM getting crosstalk from the tom, but I also am
getting a high pitched bell sound (like a bell you
ring) and Mario wasn't surprised, he had me adjust min
vel and max vel.  He said probably ALL the settings
had to be retrained/reprogrammed....what a night mare,
I'm in Midi Hell!!  This is a whole new game for me,
each pad will have to be reset to max strike/min
strike...which in effect means anything plugged into
the KITI will be an involved process.
I really wonder if most of our problems, as well as my
ignorance, has to do with the unknown settings of the
KITI...WHO knows what it's set for before I got it, ya
know?
In the meantime, I will be asking God for some serious
enlightenment...and THAT'S no joke!!:)
I really won't get a chance to work on it much before
Thursday, as I have to be out of town most of the day
on Wed.  If I get back early enough, I will work on
the settings again.
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Sometimes the inputs are locked out individually;
> that's why I 
> suggested that you try another one. If switching the
> visulite to 
> another input does the trick, maybe Mario can tell
> you how to 
> retrain the kiti input by input, without having to
> do a universal re-
> initialization to factory settings, so that you
> won't have to start 
> everything from scratch again. If he can, you can
> let me know the 
> technique.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > One of the problems was that MIDI Channel on the
> KITI
> > was set to 1!!!  I called Mario at AM, he ran me
> thru
> > a few things, but needed to see a manuel before we
> > could get anywhere.  He is supposed to call me Wed
> or
> > Thurs.  I have to be out of town on Wed. for most
> of
> > the day, so I will get a chance to re-read the
> KITI
> > manuel...Mario thinks it needs to be totally
> > retrained, probably settings from who ever had it
> are
> > over riding what I am trying to do.  However, i
> will
> > try what you told me.  The tom noise I am hearing
> IS
> > coming from my 2nd tom...AND V=2 note is
> 102...funny
> > how it's flashing 103!
> > Will keep ya posted, and Thanks, buddy for all
> your
> > help!
> > Jade
> > 
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Let's try this first: Get into midi note auto
> train
> > > and instruct the 
> > > kiti to show 106 either by tapping pad 9 or
> manually
> > > by pressing the 
> > > down arrow key. Make sure that 106 is the final
> > > number flashing. 
> > > Don't hit pad 9 again, or anything else on the
> DTX. 
> > > 
> > > Now go right to Gain Auto Train (p. 34 in the
> > > manual) by pressing 
> > > auto to make both yellow lights go on. Follow
> the
> > > rest of the 
> > > instructions from pp. 34-36. When you're
> finished,
> > > hit the Visu-
> > > lite. Is it right? If not, we'll program the
> C/024
> > > (N=106) cymbal 
> > > sound to another pad in kit 80 and switch the
> > > Visu-lite to another 
> > > input and do the same thing.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, jadeiebooshkie
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Aha!  Ed...ther IS CROSS TALK!  It is coming
> from
> > > tom2
> > > > that sits under my ride, but the note for tom
> 2 is
> > > > 47(B1).  For 1 second I was able to get a
> cymbal
> > > sound
> > > > on the ride...I don't know how to program the
> > > KITI...I
> > > > would stirke the Visulite-press AUTO TRAIN
> then
> > > hit
> > > > pad 9 for the cymbal...it still flashed 1-1-3
> si I
> > > > used the arrows to make it flash to note
> 106-what
> > > it
> > > > SHOULD read, then I pressed SAVE and waited a
> > > minute
> > > > then I tapped the Visulite, and got the cymbal
> > > sound,
> > > > but then I lost the cymbal sound, when I tap
> the
> > > pad
> > > > hard, that's when I get a high pitched bell
> sound
> > > on
> > > > one section of the pad, and if I tap it near
> the
> > > > piezo, that's when I get a tom sound.  This
> should
> > > be
> > > > easier than this...something isn't right...I
> have
> > > NO
> > > > note numbers of 1-1-3 in my kit for any pads. 
> I
> > > am
> > > > wondering if the KITI needs to be
> re-programmed?
> > > Just
> > > > a thought.  
> > > > Jade
> > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Are you by any chance hitting the pad on
> input
> > > 10
> > > > > instead of input 
> > > > > 9? Or is there conceivably enough crosstalk
> when
> > > you
> > > > > hit 9 that 
> > > > > another pad's note number is going through?
> > > Check to
> > > > > see whether one 
> > > > > of kit 80's other inputs (a tom?) carries
> note
> > > > > number 113. If so, 
> > > > > see if you can figure out how it's taking
> over.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com,
> jadeiebooshkie
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here's what I did...I re read your last
> > > post...I
> > > > > went
> > > > > > into the UTILITY Menu and FOUND one
> mistake I
> > > > > made:
> > > > > > I now have these:
> > > > > > UT MAP N=106A#6 (this was listed as no
> assign)
> > > > > > =C/024 Ride Em  (This is for pad 9)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Under VOICE MENU
> > > > > > KIT*In=pad9
> > > > > > Copy To In=pad9
> > > > > > USER KIT 80 pad 9 showed the note 106A#6
> with
> > > > > C/024
> > > > > > Ride Em
> > > > > > I unplugged the KITI and replugged it in
> > > Visulite
> > > > > is
> > > > > > in input 1 on KITI, input 1 is lit the red
> > > lights
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the KITI registered 0-0-1.  I tapped the
> > > Visulite
> > > > > then
> > > > > > pressed Auto Train on the KITI the 0-0-1
> still
> > > > > > flashed, then I hit pad 9 (that's plugged
> into
> > > DTX
> > > > > > channel 9/10)...all the red lights lit up
> to
> > > MIDI
> > > > > NOTE
> > > > > > then the 1-1-3 started to flash, as it did
> > > before,
> > > > > not
> > > > > > 106 as it should be.  When I listen to the
> > > > > visulite in
> > > > > > my headphones, the sound it is picking up
> is a
> > > tom
> > > > > > sound...SOMETHING is not right, and I
> don't
> > > know
> > > > > if
> > > > > > I'M doing something wrong, or if there's
> > > something
> > > > > not
> > > > > > set with the DTX or if it's the KITI...I
> hit
> > > pad 9
> > > > > and
> > > > > > get a cymbal from kit 80, I hit the
> visulite,
> > > and
> 
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