Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Creighton,

I know what you mean. Compromises abound in the e-drum world, but 
the upside is definitely worth them. Your newly morphed mono PCY can 
go into 9/10, but of course you'll only need a TRS splitter to 
insert it if you're putting another mono in there, too. We look 
forward to your experience with the ZB2. 

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Ed
> Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree with the your 
assessment of
> stereo devices. One of my issues with edrums is dynamic range: 
once you
> tailor the system to reject crosstalk and adjust gain, etc., it 
seems that
> one's loudness range is limited. The edge switch on stereo pads is 
just
> that- a switch- so there is no way to play that part of the pad 
soft or
> loud- it just triggers. The edge of my Yamaha failed but the piezo 
still
> triggers, so I expect to end up with 2 mono cymbals, and the 
stereo Zenbal.
> I'm thinking that the old PCY will go to input 9 or 10 through a 
splitter.
> This sound right to you?
> It seems to me that there are so many variables between pad design 
and the
> various modules that it is hard to find "the truth" about a 
product. Over
> and over I see posts where someone says they hate something, and a 
few days
> later they like it once it's dialed in. Go figure.
> thanks
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:52 AM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> 
> 
>   The subject piqued my curiosity so I went and checked out the 
thread
>   on vdrum. It's basically two people who reported being really
>   unhappy, though one started out differently. Chris Jude, whose
>   opinion I respect immensely, reports that he's heard more bad 
than
>   good, though he appears not to have had firsthand experience. In 
the
>   interests of fair play, if any cymbal is going to get its share 
of
>   criticism, it would be a stereo, and that seems to be the case at
>   vdrum. The relative location of the triggers makes them more 
prone
>   than monos or duals to disappoint. They put more of a strain on
>   technique and attention to detail. I will also admit that so far 
as
>   basic types of e-cymbal are concerned, my least favorite design 
is
>   the stereos, but they have advantages of budget and space that 
the
>   others don't, and, as I said, to me the Zenbal is superior to the
>   alternatives that I know.
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus"
>   <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
>   > Creighton,
>   >
>   > Do you remember who trashed it on Vdrum? Well, you definitely
>   can't
>   > please all of the people all of the time (especially everyone 
at
>   the
>   > Roland site), but my experience, and that of very many others,
>   with
>   > the ZB2 is very favorable. I don't mean to diminish it by 
saying
>   > that I don't have it anymore (I've gone exclusively to Visu-
lite);
>   > of all the stereo cymbals that I've tried, I rate it easily the
>   > highest. I think of reliability for the stereos on two fronts: 
(1)
>   > the probability that it will make any sound when you hit it and
>   (2)
>   > the probability that it will provide the expected sound when 
you
>   hit
>   > it. For me, the Zenbal almost never failed to sound, and it 
rarely
>   > failed to make the sound I expected. It also swings, unlike the
>   > similarly priced Roland CY-6 or obviously the Yamahas. By the 
way,
>   I
>   > also owned a CY-6, which I found to be mediocre. When I sold 
it,
>   > however, VDrum people crawled out of the woodwork to buy it. 
So go
>   > figure. Roland people have this weird love/hate loyalty to 
their
>   > company. They trash the products like crazy, but many of them
>   won't
>   > budge from them.
>   >
>   > I don't remember any particular glitches in programming it, but
>   > Stephen, who has come to love his, reported that it took some 
time
>   > to get them adjusted to the DTX module. I liked it better as 
two
>   > crashes than as a ride, because of its layout. But I would 
truly
>   be
>   > surprised if any former Yamaha owner, who came to it, wasn't
>   > impressed.
>   >
>   > I'm kicking myself because I sold my Zenbal, as well as CY-6, 
to
>   > members of Vdrum.com. I'd much prefer to sell within this 
group,
>   but
>   > at the time, no one here was interested.
>   >
>   > Ed
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   > <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > > Hey Ed
>   > > Got your mail after visiting a thread at V-drums.com which
>   trashed
>   > the
>   > > Zenbals. Now I'm feeling insecure! And to think I sold a 
child
>   to
>   > buy this.
>   > > (it was the ugly one)
>   > > Have you run a ZB-2 through a DTX? Any tricks to setup?
>   > > Creighton
>   > >   -----Original Message-----
>   > >   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   > >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:54 AM
>   > >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   > >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >   Steward and Creighton,
>   > >
>   > >   The Pintech Zenbal is a stereo cymbal (and a good one).
>   > >
>   > >   Ed
>   > >
>   > >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   > >   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > >   > Stewart
>   > >   > I'm thinking it's stereo since it's chokeable which 
usually
>   > means
>   > >   the rim
>   > >   > has an FSR (Force Sensitive Resistor?). I have one 
UPSing to
>   > me as
>   > >   we speak
>   > >   > from the good folk at Drumbalaya. When it comes and I 
get it
>   to
>   > >   work- will
>   > >   > be back to share.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Creighton
>   > >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   > >   >   From: moosetication [mailto:moosetication@y...]
>   > >   >   Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:54 PM
>   > >   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   > >   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Pintechs - dual or stereo?
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
>   > >   >   Since it seems to have been fairly comprehensively
>   > demonstrated
>   > >   that
>   > >   >   I am mentally two lugs short of a complete set, can
>   someone
>   > tell
>   > >   me
>   > >   >   if the Zenbal ZB2 is a genuine dual zone or a stereo?
>   > >   >
>   > >   >   Stewart
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
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