Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Steward and Creighton,

The Pintech Zenbal is a stereo cymbal (and a good one).

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Stewart
> I'm thinking it's stereo since it's chokeable which usually means 
the rim
> has an FSR (Force Sensitive Resistor?). I have one UPSing to me as 
we speak
> from the good folk at Drumbalaya. When it comes and I get it to 
work- will
> be back to share.
> 
> Creighton
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: moosetication [mailto:moosetication@y...]
>   Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:54 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> 
> 
>   Since it seems to have been fairly comprehensively demonstrated 
that
>   I am mentally two lugs short of a complete set, can someone tell 
me
>   if the Zenbal ZB2 is a genuine dual zone or a stereo?
> 
>   Stewart
> 
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Creighton,

Do you remember who trashed it on Vdrum? Well, you definitely can't 
please all of the people all of the time (especially everyone at the 
Roland site), but my experience, and that of very many others, with 
the ZB2 is very favorable. I don't mean to diminish it by saying 
that I don't have it anymore (I've gone exclusively to Visu-lite); 
of all the stereo cymbals that I've tried, I rate it easily the 
highest. I think of reliability for the stereos on two fronts: (1) 
the probability that it will make any sound when you hit it and (2) 
the probability that it will provide the expected sound when you hit 
it. For me, the Zenbal almost never failed to sound, and it rarely 
failed to make the sound I expected. It also swings, unlike the 
similarly priced Roland CY-6 or obviously the Yamahas. By the way, I 
also owned a CY-6, which I found to be mediocre. When I sold it, 
however, VDrum people crawled out of the woodwork to buy it. So go 
figure. Roland people have this weird love/hate loyalty to their 
company. They trash the products like crazy, but many of them won't 
budge from them.

I don't remember any particular glitches in programming it, but 
Stephen, who has come to love his, reported that it took some time 
to get them adjusted to the DTX module. I liked it better as two 
crashes than as a ride, because of its layout. But I would truly be 
surprised if any former Yamaha owner, who came to it, wasn't 
impressed.

I'm kicking myself because I sold my Zenbal, as well as CY-6, to 
members of Vdrum.com. I'd much prefer to sell within this group, but 
at the time, no one here was interested. 

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Hey Ed
> Got your mail after visiting a thread at V-drums.com which trashed 
the
> Zenbals. Now I'm feeling insecure! And to think I sold a child to 
buy this.
> (it was the ugly one)
> Have you run a ZB-2 through a DTX? Any tricks to setup?
> Creighton
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:54 AM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> 
> 
>   Steward and Creighton,
> 
>   The Pintech Zenbal is a stereo cymbal (and a good one).
> 
>   Ed
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > Stewart
>   > I'm thinking it's stereo since it's chokeable which usually 
means
>   the rim
>   > has an FSR (Force Sensitive Resistor?). I have one UPSing to 
me as
>   we speak
>   > from the good folk at Drumbalaya. When it comes and I get it to
>   work- will
>   > be back to share.
>   >
>   > Creighton
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: moosetication [mailto:moosetication@y...]
>   >   Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:54 PM
>   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Pintechs - dual or stereo?
>   >
>   >
>   >   Since it seems to have been fairly comprehensively 
demonstrated
>   that
>   >   I am mentally two lugs short of a complete set, can someone 
tell
>   me
>   >   if the Zenbal ZB2 is a genuine dual zone or a stereo?
>   >
>   >   Stewart
>   >
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The subject piqued my curiosity so I went and checked out the thread 
on vdrum. It's basically two people who reported being really 
unhappy, though one started out differently. Chris Jude, whose 
opinion I respect immensely, reports that he's heard more bad than 
good, though he appears not to have had firsthand experience. In the 
interests of fair play, if any cymbal is going to get its share of 
criticism, it would be a stereo, and that seems to be the case at 
vdrum. The relative location of the triggers makes them more prone 
than monos or duals to disappoint. They put more of a strain on 
technique and attention to detail. I will also admit that so far as 
basic types of e-cymbal are concerned, my least favorite design is 
the stereos, but they have advantages of budget and space that the 
others don't, and, as I said, to me the Zenbal is superior to the 
alternatives that I know. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Creighton,
> 
> Do you remember who trashed it on Vdrum? Well, you definitely 
can't 
> please all of the people all of the time (especially everyone at 
the 
> Roland site), but my experience, and that of very many others, 
with 
> the ZB2 is very favorable. I don't mean to diminish it by saying 
> that I don't have it anymore (I've gone exclusively to Visu-lite); 
> of all the stereo cymbals that I've tried, I rate it easily the 
> highest. I think of reliability for the stereos on two fronts: (1) 
> the probability that it will make any sound when you hit it and 
(2) 
> the probability that it will provide the expected sound when you 
hit 
> it. For me, the Zenbal almost never failed to sound, and it rarely 
> failed to make the sound I expected. It also swings, unlike the 
> similarly priced Roland CY-6 or obviously the Yamahas. By the way, 
I 
> also owned a CY-6, which I found to be mediocre. When I sold it, 
> however, VDrum people crawled out of the woodwork to buy it. So go 
> figure. Roland people have this weird love/hate loyalty to their 
> company. They trash the products like crazy, but many of them 
won't 
> budge from them.
> 
> I don't remember any particular glitches in programming it, but 
> Stephen, who has come to love his, reported that it took some time 
> to get them adjusted to the DTX module. I liked it better as two 
> crashes than as a ride, because of its layout. But I would truly 
be 
> surprised if any former Yamaha owner, who came to it, wasn't 
> impressed.
> 
> I'm kicking myself because I sold my Zenbal, as well as CY-6, to 
> members of Vdrum.com. I'd much prefer to sell within this group, 
but 
> at the time, no one here was interested. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
> <creighton@l...> wrote:
> > Hey Ed
> > Got your mail after visiting a thread at V-drums.com which 
trashed 
> the
> > Zenbals. Now I'm feeling insecure! And to think I sold a child 
to 
> buy this.
> > (it was the ugly one)
> > Have you run a ZB-2 through a DTX? Any tricks to setup?
> > Creighton
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
> >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:54 AM
> >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> > 
> > 
> >   Steward and Creighton,
> > 
> >   The Pintech Zenbal is a stereo cymbal (and a good one).
> > 
> >   Ed
> > 
> >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
> >   <creighton@l...> wrote:
> >   > Stewart
> >   > I'm thinking it's stereo since it's chokeable which usually 
> means
> >   the rim
> >   > has an FSR (Force Sensitive Resistor?). I have one UPSing to 
> me as
> >   we speak
> >   > from the good folk at Drumbalaya. When it comes and I get it 
to
> >   work- will
> >   > be back to share.
> >   >
> >   > Creighton
> >   >   -----Original Message-----
> >   >   From: moosetication [mailto:moosetication@y...]
> >   >   Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:54 PM
> >   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Since it seems to have been fairly comprehensively 
> demonstrated
> >   that
> >   >   I am mentally two lugs short of a complete set, can 
someone 

> tell
> >   me
> >   >   if the Zenbal ZB2 is a genuine dual zone or a stereo?
> >   >
> >   >   Stewart
> >   >
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Creighton:

I have two ZB2, and am anxiously awaiting the release of the ZB2 
Hihat. I also plan to replace a TPS80S that I use as a ride cymbal 
with a ZB2. There may even be a ZB Splash in my future.

Ed mentioned that I had trouble setting them up. That was no fault of 
the cymbal. That was my naivete' in understanding pad type 
assignments. Once I was educated to that (thanks to this forum), the 
cymbals performed with greater than expected results. I do have one 
cymbal that the rim area is malfunctioning on, but  Brian at Pintech 
is doing his best to resolve that issue.

I, too, tried the CY-6 I didn't care for it AT ALL! I had some of the 
single zone Hart e-cymbals but didn't like the fact that they were 
single zone and non-chokable. (I do believe Hart makes a dual zone 
chokable cymbal, though.) I also didn't like the Harts because they 
looked ike 'real' cymbals, which would be okay if my drums looked 
like 'real' drums. Does that make sense?

Go with the Zenbals, you'll be pleased. 

Stephen

Creighton,

I know what you mean. Compromises abound in the e-drum world, but 
the upside is definitely worth them. Your newly morphed mono PCY can 
go into 9/10, but of course you'll only need a TRS splitter to 
insert it if you're putting another mono in there, too. We look 
forward to your experience with the ZB2. 

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Ed
> Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree with the your 
assessment of
> stereo devices. One of my issues with edrums is dynamic range: 
once you
> tailor the system to reject crosstalk and adjust gain, etc., it 
seems that
> one's loudness range is limited. The edge switch on stereo pads is 
just
> that- a switch- so there is no way to play that part of the pad 
soft or
> loud- it just triggers. The edge of my Yamaha failed but the piezo 
still
> triggers, so I expect to end up with 2 mono cymbals, and the 
stereo Zenbal.
> I'm thinking that the old PCY will go to input 9 or 10 through a 
splitter.
> This sound right to you?
> It seems to me that there are so many variables between pad design 
and the
> various modules that it is hard to find "the truth" about a 
product. Over
> and over I see posts where someone says they hate something, and a 
few days
> later they like it once it's dialed in. Go figure.
> thanks
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:52 AM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> 
> 
>   The subject piqued my curiosity so I went and checked out the 
thread
>   on vdrum. It's basically two people who reported being really
>   unhappy, though one started out differently. Chris Jude, whose
>   opinion I respect immensely, reports that he's heard more bad 
than
>   good, though he appears not to have had firsthand experience. In 
the
>   interests of fair play, if any cymbal is going to get its share 
of
>   criticism, it would be a stereo, and that seems to be the case at
>   vdrum. The relative location of the triggers makes them more 
prone
>   than monos or duals to disappoint. They put more of a strain on
>   technique and attention to detail. I will also admit that so far 
as
>   basic types of e-cymbal are concerned, my least favorite design 
is
>   the stereos, but they have advantages of budget and space that 
the
>   others don't, and, as I said, to me the Zenbal is superior to the
>   alternatives that I know.
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus"
>   <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
>   > Creighton,
>   >
>   > Do you remember who trashed it on Vdrum? Well, you definitely
>   can't
>   > please all of the people all of the time (especially everyone 
at
>   the
>   > Roland site), but my experience, and that of very many others,
>   with
>   > the ZB2 is very favorable. I don't mean to diminish it by 
saying
>   > that I don't have it anymore (I've gone exclusively to Visu-
lite);
>   > of all the stereo cymbals that I've tried, I rate it easily the
>   > highest. I think of reliability for the stereos on two fronts: 
(1)
>   > the probability that it will make any sound when you hit it and
>   (2)
>   > the probability that it will provide the expected sound when 
you
>   hit
>   > it. For me, the Zenbal almost never failed to sound, and it 
rarely
>   > failed to make the sound I expected. It also swings, unlike the
>   > similarly priced Roland CY-6 or obviously the Yamahas. By the 
way,
>   I
>   > also owned a CY-6, which I found to be mediocre. When I sold 
it,
>   > however, VDrum people crawled out of the woodwork to buy it. 
So go
>   > figure. Roland people have this weird love/hate loyalty to 
their
>   > company. They trash the products like crazy, but many of them
>   won't
>   > budge from them.
>   >
>   > I don't remember any particular glitches in programming it, but
>   > Stephen, who has come to love his, reported that it took some 
time
>   > to get them adjusted to the DTX module. I liked it better as 
two
>   > crashes than as a ride, because of its layout. But I would 
truly
>   be
>   > surprised if any former Yamaha owner, who came to it, wasn't
>   > impressed.
>   >
>   > I'm kicking myself because I sold my Zenbal, as well as CY-6, 
to
>   > members of Vdrum.com. I'd much prefer to sell within this 
group,
>   but
>   > at the time, no one here was interested.
>   >
>   > Ed
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   > <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > > Hey Ed
>   > > Got your mail after visiting a thread at V-drums.com which
>   trashed
>   > the
>   > > Zenbals. Now I'm feeling insecure! And to think I sold a 
child
>   to
>   > buy this.
>   > > (it was the ugly one)
>   > > Have you run a ZB-2 through a DTX? Any tricks to setup?
>   > > Creighton
>   > >   -----Original Message-----
>   > >   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   > >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:54 AM
>   > >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   > >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >   Steward and Creighton,
>   > >
>   > >   The Pintech Zenbal is a stereo cymbal (and a good one).
>   > >
>   > >   Ed
>   > >
>   > >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   > >   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > >   > Stewart
>   > >   > I'm thinking it's stereo since it's chokeable which 
usually
>   > means
>   > >   the rim
>   > >   > has an FSR (Force Sensitive Resistor?). I have one 
UPSing to
>   > me as
>   > >   we speak
>   > >   > from the good folk at Drumbalaya. When it comes and I 
get it
>   to
>   > >   work- will
>   > >   > be back to share.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Creighton
>   > >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   > >   >   From: moosetication [mailto:moosetication@y...]
>   > >   >   Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:54 PM
>   > >   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   > >   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Pintechs - dual or stereo?
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
>   > >   >   Since it seems to have been fairly comprehensively
>   > demonstrated
>   > >   that
>   > >   >   I am mentally two lugs short of a complete set, can
>   someone
>   > tell
>   > >   me
>   > >   >   if the Zenbal ZB2 is a genuine dual zone or a stereo?
>   > >   >
>   > >   >   Stewart
>   > >   >
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--- "Creighton Higgins" wrote:
> The edge switch on stereo pads is just
> that- a switch- so there is no way to play that part
> of the pad soft or loud- it just triggers.

Here I am, risking looking a complete twit again. However, the sun is 
not out and it's been raining, so hopefully my brain is cooler than 
yesterday.

Since the switch just modifies the sound produced by the brain in 
response to the piezo, rather than resulting in a sound on its own, 
that should not be true, should it? You should still get all the 
dynamics of the piezo, but with a different sound due to the switch 
being closed too. It seems to be backed up by my (admittedly limited) 
testing.

Stewart

Creighton,

Have you been using a TP pad for your ride? For some people 
(depending on their technique and the force of their hits), even 
using them as drums can wreak havoc with their joints and muscles. 
With all due respect to your ingenuity, if you start noticing any 
numbness or sensitivity in your foot from beating on that hard Remo 
pracice kick, you'll have to soften that blow, too. Or have you 
place a mouse pad over it?

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Thanks Stephen
> Seems like Pintech has a lifetime warranty. Perhaps they need to 
replace
> your cymbal?
> 
>  I am looking forward to trying the surface of the Zenbal. My 
carpal tunnel
> has been fierce and I suspect much of it has to do with playing 
ride
> patterns on hard rubber surfaces. I'm hoping for some relief with 
the Zenbal
> as an added benefit.
> 
> This group is so useful.
> 
> Creighton
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: brown8700 [mailto:brown8700@a...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:42 AM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> 
> 
>   Creighton:
> 
>   I have two ZB2, and am anxiously awaiting the release of the ZB2
>   Hihat. I also plan to replace a TPS80S that I use as a ride 
cymbal
>   with a ZB2. There may even be a ZB Splash in my future.
> 
>   Ed mentioned that I had trouble setting them up. That was no 
fault of
>   the cymbal. That was my naivete' in understanding pad type
>   assignments. Once I was educated to that (thanks to this forum), 
the
>   cymbals performed with greater than expected results. I do have 
one
>   cymbal that the rim area is malfunctioning on, but  Brian at 
Pintech
>   is doing his best to resolve that issue.
> 
>   I, too, tried the CY-6 I didn't care for it AT ALL! I had some 
of the
>   single zone Hart e-cymbals but didn't like the fact that they 
were
>   single zone and non-chokable. (I do believe Hart makes a dual 
zone
>   chokable cymbal, though.) I also didn't like the Harts because 
they
>   looked ike 'real' cymbals, which would be okay if my drums looked
>   like 'real' drums. Does that make sense?
> 
>   Go with the Zenbals, you'll be pleased.
> 
>   Stephen
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Stewart,

Right. The voice triggered by the rim switch has all of the same 
qualities of the primary voice. The problem is not that no control 
is possible, only that no separate control is possible. For 
instance, you may not want the rim crash to have the same voice and 
triggering characteristics as your light ride, but nothing can be 
done about it, short of buying another cymbal.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> --- "Creighton Higgins" wrote:
> > The edge switch on stereo pads is just
> > that- a switch- so there is no way to play that part
> > of the pad soft or loud- it just triggers.
> 
> Here I am, risking looking a complete twit again. However, the sun 
is 
> not out and it's been raining, so hopefully my brain is cooler 
than 
> yesterday.
> 
> Since the switch just modifies the sound produced by the brain in 
> response to the piezo, rather than resulting in a sound on its 
own, 
> that should not be true, should it? You should still get all the 
> dynamics of the piezo, but with a different sound due to the 
switch 
> being closed too. It seems to be backed up by my (admittedly 
limited) 

> testing.
> 
> Stewart

What I should have said is that the triggering characteristics are 
shared, not the voice characteristics. Gain and min. velocity might 
not be suitable matches for the voices chosen. The rejection 
parameters don't matter.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Stewart,
> 
> Right. The voice triggered by the rim switch has all of the same 
> qualities of the primary voice. The problem is not that no control 
> is possible, only that no separate control is possible. For 
> instance, you may not want the rim crash to have the same voice 
and 
> triggering characteristics as your light ride, but nothing can be 
> done about it, short of buying another cymbal.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > --- "Creighton Higgins" wrote:
> > > The edge switch on stereo pads is just
> > > that- a switch- so there is no way to play that part
> > > of the pad soft or loud- it just triggers.
> > 
> > Here I am, risking looking a complete twit again. However, the 
sun 
> is 
> > not out and it's been raining, so hopefully my brain is cooler 
> than 
> > yesterday.
> > 
> > Since the switch just modifies the sound produced by the brain 
in 

> > response to the piezo, rather than resulting in a sound on its 
> own, 
> > that should not be true, should it? You should still get all the 
> > dynamics of the piezo, but with a different sound due to the 
> switch 
> > being closed too. It seems to be backed up by my (admittedly 
> limited) 
> > testing.
> > 
> > Stewart

Creighton,

It's settled. We're going to have to find a way to get you a mesh 
kit. In the meantime, think Guy Lombardo, or Perry Como.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> I'm not sure what a TP pad is, but if it will help, I want one. 
I've found
> the Remo pad is actually gentler than the hard rubber block on my 
old kick
> tower.
> I have been trying the new Zildian energy absorbing sticks this 
week, but I
> can't really report any relief from them. I'm cursed with a 20-
year-old
> mentality in a 50-year-old body. Cripes
> 
> Creighton
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:28 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> 
> 
>   Creighton,
> 
>   Have you been using a TP pad for your ride? For some people
>   (depending on their technique and the force of their hits), even
>   using them as drums can wreak havoc with their joints and 
muscles.
>   With all due respect to your ingenuity, if you start noticing any
>   numbness or sensitivity in your foot from beating on that hard 
Remo
>   pracice kick, you'll have to soften that blow, too. Or have you
>   place a mouse pad over it?
> 
>   Ed
> 
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > Thanks Stephen
>   > Seems like Pintech has a lifetime warranty. Perhaps they need 
to
>   replace
>   > your cymbal?
>   >
>   >  I am looking forward to trying the surface of the Zenbal. My
>   carpal tunnel
>   > has been fierce and I suspect much of it has to do with playing
>   ride
>   > patterns on hard rubber surfaces. I'm hoping for some relief 
with
>   the Zenbal
>   > as an added benefit.
>   >
>   > This group is so useful.
>   >
>   > Creighton
>   >
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: brown8700 [mailto:brown8700@a...]
>   >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:42 AM
>   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
>   >
>   >
>   >   Creighton:
>   >
>   >   I have two ZB2, and am anxiously awaiting the release of the 
ZB2
>   >   Hihat. I also plan to replace a TPS80S that I use as a ride
>   cymbal
>   >   with a ZB2. There may even be a ZB Splash in my future.
>   >
>   >   Ed mentioned that I had trouble setting them up. That was no
>   fault of
>   >   the cymbal. That was my naivete' in understanding pad type
>   >   assignments. Once I was educated to that (thanks to this 
forum),
>   the
>   >   cymbals performed with greater than expected results. I do 
have
>   one
>   >   cymbal that the rim area is malfunctioning on, but  Brian at
>   Pintech
>   >   is doing his best to resolve that issue.
>   >
>   >   I, too, tried the CY-6 I didn't care for it AT ALL! I had 
some
>   of the
>   >   single zone Hart e-cymbals but didn't like the fact that they
>   were
>   >   single zone and non-chokable. (I do believe Hart makes a dual
>   zone
>   >   chokable cymbal, though.) I also didn't like the Harts 
because
>   they
>   >   looked ike 'real' cymbals, which would be okay if my drums 
looked
>   >   like 'real' drums. Does that make sense?
>   >
>   >   Go with the Zenbals, you'll be pleased.
>   >
>   >   Stephen
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--- "Creighton Higgins" wrote:
> I have been trying the new Zildian energy absorbing sticks
> this week, but I can't really report any relief from them.

Darn. I was considering some of those. What I have done is to go down 
a couple of stick sizes. I have a pair of sticks just bearing the 
legend "JAZZ" - no maker or size - that I picked up from the remnants 
bin. They look like sort of 8D size. I hardly use my "usual" 5As any 
more.

> I'm cursed with a 20-year-old
> mentality in a 50-year-old body.

I know what you mean. Coupled, in my case, with a physique like a 
trash sack full of yoghurt. 

Stewart

Creighton:

I started playing the DTX a little over a year ago. After 34 years of 
continuous playing without any joint problems, I started to get a 
pain in my left elbow. I suspected it was either CTS or just bruising 
from the sheer shock of slamming a stick on the TP snare. In 
February, I switched over to Pintech mesh-headed drums and the pain 
is all but absent. I also switched to the Zenbals and started using 
AHEAD aluminum drumsticks, which seem to help as well.
I continue to use a TP pad for both my HiHat and Ride, but to date I 
have experienced no pain in the joints of my right elbow or wrist. 
However, these are soon to be replaced by Zenbals as well (hopefully).

On a side note, what's with all us old guys playing e-drums? Aren't 
we supposed to purists, playing little Gretsch jazz kits and using 
brushes? Maybe if we did we wouldn't have all these aches and pains!

Stephen

While we're on the subject, has anyone noticed the variation in 5As 
across different makers? I use two brands mainly, Pro Mark 
Millennium IIs and Zildjians, and they are so different in feel that 
I consider the Pro Marks to be my rock sticks and the Zildjians my 
precision ones. 

What we old bastards need from our kits is enough give to keep these 
brittle bodies from breaking down. The polymer coating of the ZB 
cymbal should help, but the meshes, or even mylars, are a godsend in 
that regard. Proper posture, grip, and technique helps, too. I've 
been learning about that recently.

Stephen, I had one of those Gretsch jazzy kits for years (still have 
it)--actually a Walberg and Auge, the OEM manufacturers--with a 
Ludwig chrome shell snare from the sixties handed down by Buddy 
Miles of all people. I loved it so much that I kept adjusting it 
myself to accommodate new sounds. At the end of the road, it was so 
riddled with tape and muffling that it looked a little like 
mummified Egyptian drums.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Creighton:
> 
> I started playing the DTX a little over a year ago. After 34 years 
of 
> continuous playing without any joint problems, I started to get a 
> pain in my left elbow. I suspected it was either CTS or just 
bruising 
> from the sheer shock of slamming a stick on the TP snare. In 
> February, I switched over to Pintech mesh-headed drums and the 
pain 
> is all but absent. I also switched to the Zenbals and started 
using 
> AHEAD aluminum drumsticks, which seem to help as well.
> I continue to use a TP pad for both my HiHat and Ride, but to date 
I 
> have experienced no pain in the joints of my right elbow or wrist. 
> However, these are soon to be replaced by Zenbals as well 
(hopefully).
> 
> On a side note, what's with all us old guys playing e-drums? 
Aren't 
> we supposed to purists, playing little Gretsch jazz kits and using 
> brushes? Maybe if we did we wouldn't have all these aches and 
pains!
> 
> Stephen

Creighton,

Introduce her to the Afro-Celtic Sound System. That should give her 
a jolt (right, Stewart?). TP is Yamaha's trademark for their gum-
rubber pads--tom pad or trigger pad.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Stephen:
> Like many of us old guys- I am married to an (careful here) older 
gal. Her
> musical taste has devolved to quiet Celtic stuff, (easy on the 
bodran).
> Phew.
> Can you imagine her response to having to hear that old Gretch 
kit? Now all
> she hears is clickety clickety %$#$#, clickety clickety %$#$#. She 
seems to
> be able to live with that.
> 
> Now will someone tell me what TP stands for?
> 
> Creighton
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: brown8700 [mailto:brown8700@a...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:27 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Zildjian antivibes (was: Pintechs - dual 
or
> stereo?)
> 
> 
>   Creighton:
> 
>   I started playing the DTX a little over a year ago. After 34 
years of
>   continuous playing without any joint problems, I started to get a
>   pain in my left elbow. I suspected it was either CTS or just 
bruising
>   from the sheer shock of slamming a stick on the TP snare. In
>   February, I switched over to Pintech mesh-headed drums and the 
pain
>   is all but absent. I also switched to the Zenbals and started 
using
>   AHEAD aluminum drumsticks, which seem to help as well.
>   I continue to use a TP pad for both my HiHat and Ride, but to 
date I
>   have experienced no pain in the joints of my right elbow or 
wrist.
>   However, these are soon to be replaced by Zenbals as well 
(hopefully).
> 
>   On a side note, what's with all us old guys playing e-drums? 
Aren't
>   we supposed to purists, playing little Gretsch jazz kits and 
using
>   brushes? Maybe if we did we wouldn't have all these aches and 
pains!
> 
>   Stephen
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After all this talk of Zenbals I have made a decison to purchase the 
Zenbal China.  I was going to purchase another PCY65 to use as a 
china but I've decided I needed to try another brand's product that 
wasn't the size of my pecan pie slices.  I trust this group more 
than any other drum group because, because of them I purchased a 
DTXpressII, they've given me helpful advice even before I owned a 
kit.  From there it was nothing but trust and help in making sound 
decisions.  Thanks!

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Creighton,
> 
> It's settled. We're going to have to find a way to get you a mesh 
> kit. In the meantime, think Guy Lombardo, or Perry Como.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
> <creighton@l...> wrote:
> > Ed,
> > 
> > I'm not sure what a TP pad is, but if it will help, I want one. 
> I've found
> > the Remo pad is actually gentler than the hard rubber block on 
my 
> old kick
> > tower.
> > I have been trying the new Zildian energy absorbing sticks this 
> week, but I
> > can't really report any relief from them. I'm cursed with a 20-
> year-old
> > mentality in a 50-year-old body. Cripes
> > 
> > Creighton
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
> >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:28 PM
> >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> > 
> > 
> >   Creighton,
> > 
> >   Have you been using a TP pad for your ride? For some people
> >   (depending on their technique and the force of their hits), 
even
> >   using them as drums can wreak havoc with their joints and 
> muscles.
> >   With all due respect to your ingenuity, if you start noticing 
any
> >   numbness or sensitivity in your foot from beating on that hard 
> Remo
> >   pracice kick, you'll have to soften that blow, too. Or have you
> >   place a mouse pad over it?
> > 
> >   Ed
> > 
> > 
> >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
> >   <creighton@l...> wrote:
> >   > Thanks Stephen
> >   > Seems like Pintech has a lifetime warranty. Perhaps they 
need 
> to
> >   replace
> >   > your cymbal?
> >   >
> >   >  I am looking forward to trying the surface of the Zenbal. My
> >   carpal tunnel
> >   > has been fierce and I suspect much of it has to do with 
playing
> >   ride
> >   > patterns on hard rubber surfaces. I'm hoping for some relief 
> with
> >   the Zenbal
> >   > as an added benefit.
> >   >
> >   > This group is so useful.
> >   >
> >   > Creighton
> >   >
> >   >   -----Original Message-----
> >   >   From: brown8700 [mailto:brown8700@a...]
> >   >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:42 AM
> >   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Pintechs - dual or stereo?
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Creighton:
> >   >
> >   >   I have two ZB2, and am anxiously awaiting the release of 
the 
> ZB2
> >   >   Hihat. I also plan to replace a TPS80S that I use as a ride
> >   cymbal
> >   >   with a ZB2. There may even be a ZB Splash in my future.
> >   >
> >   >   Ed mentioned that I had trouble setting them up. That was 
no
> >   fault of
> >   >   the cymbal. That was my naivete' in understanding pad type
> >   >   assignments. Once I was educated to that (thanks to this 
> forum),
> >   the
> >   >   cymbals performed with greater than expected results. I do 
> have
> >   one
> >   >   cymbal that the rim area is malfunctioning on, but  Brian 
at
> >   Pintech
> >   >   is doing his best to resolve that issue.
> >   >
> >   >   I, too, tried the CY-6 I didn't care for it AT ALL! I had 
> some
> >   of the
> >   >   single zone Hart e-cymbals but didn't like the fact that 
they
> >   were
> >   >   single zone and non-chokable. (I do believe Hart makes a 
dual

> >   zone
> >   >   chokable cymbal, though.) I also didn't like the Harts 
> because
> >   they
> >   >   looked ike 'real' cymbals, which would be okay if my drums 
> looked
> >   >   like 'real' drums. Does that make sense?
> >   >
> >   >   Go with the Zenbals, you'll be pleased.
> >   >
> >   >   Stephen
> >   >
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That sounds like a wonderful relationship. Whenever I put any music 
on my main system, my four-year-old daughter says, "Daddy, I don't 
want to hear your songs; I want to hear my songs." So then it's back 
to the soundtrack for Mary Poppins or the Little Mermaid. She does 
like the Beatles (often forcing her parents to impersonate them 
endlessly), but if I hear Rubber Soul one more time (as much as I 
revere it), I may plotz.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Afro-Celt is great! (sometimes I get her to listen to it)
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:53 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Zildjian antivibes (was: Pintechs - dual 
or
> stereo?)
> 
> 
>   Creighton,
> 
>   Introduce her to the Afro-Celtic Sound System. That should give 
her
>   a jolt (right, Stewart?). TP is Yamaha's trademark for their gum-
>   rubber pads--tom pad or trigger pad.
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > Stephen:
>   > Like many of us old guys- I am married to an (careful here) 
older
>   gal. Her
>   > musical taste has devolved to quiet Celtic stuff, (easy on the
>   bodran).
>   > Phew.
>   > Can you imagine her response to having to hear that old Gretch
>   kit? Now all
>   > she hears is clickety clickety %$#$#, clickety clickety %$#$#. 
She
>   seems to
>   > be able to live with that.
>   >
>   > Now will someone tell me what TP stands for?
>   >
>   > Creighton
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: brown8700 [mailto:brown8700@a...]
>   >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:27 PM
>   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Zildjian antivibes (was: Pintechs - 
dual
>   or
>   > stereo?)
>   >
>   >
>   >   Creighton:
>   >
>   >   I started playing the DTX a little over a year ago. After 34
>   years of
>   >   continuous playing without any joint problems, I started to 
get a
>   >   pain in my left elbow. I suspected it was either CTS or just
>   bruising
>   >   from the sheer shock of slamming a stick on the TP snare. In
>   >   February, I switched over to Pintech mesh-headed drums and 
the
>   pain
>   >   is all but absent. I also switched to the Zenbals and started
>   using
>   >   AHEAD aluminum drumsticks, which seem to help as well.
>   >   I continue to use a TP pad for both my HiHat and Ride, but to
>   date I
>   >   have experienced no pain in the joints of my right elbow or
>   wrist.
>   >   However, these are soon to be replaced by Zenbals as well
>   (hopefully).
>   >
>   >   On a side note, what's with all us old guys playing e-drums?
>   Aren't
>   >   we supposed to purists, playing little Gretsch jazz kits and
>   using
>   >   brushes? Maybe if we did we wouldn't have all these aches and
>   pains!
>   >
>   >   Stephen
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Creighton,

Isn't it weird to think that your daughter probably regards the era 
as ancient history? I'm always taken aback by "kids" who don't have 
a sense of the Beatles or other musicians of the time. Fortunately, 
in my dotage, I've reached a place where music is eternal; it 
doesn't matter where or when it emerged, as long as I like it. It 
removes the pressure of trying to stay hip and current, but it does 
tend to swell the collection. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> My 14-year-old daughter is doing a paper on the Beatles. It's been 
great
> having the music on and talking about what was happening at the 
time of each
> LP. She came across a picture of me with hair down my back and had 
a small
> attack.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:33 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Zildjian antivibes (was: Pintechs - dual 
or
> stereo?)
> 
> 
>   That sounds like a wonderful relationship. Whenever I put any 
music
>   on my main system, my four-year-old daughter says, "Daddy, I 
don't
>   want to hear your songs; I want to hear my songs." So then it's 
back
>   to the soundtrack for Mary Poppins or the Little Mermaid. She 
does
>   like the Beatles (often forcing her parents to impersonate them
>   endlessly), but if I hear Rubber Soul one more time (as much as I
>   revere it), I may plotz.
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > Afro-Celt is great! (sometimes I get her to listen to it)
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:53 PM
>   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Zildjian antivibes (was: Pintechs - 
dual
>   or
>   > stereo?)
>   >
>   >
>   >   Creighton,
>   >
>   >   Introduce her to the Afro-Celtic Sound System. That should 
give
>   her
>   >   a jolt (right, Stewart?). TP is Yamaha's trademark for their 
gum-
>   >   rubber pads--tom pad or trigger pad.
>   >
>   >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   >   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   >   > Stephen:
>   >   > Like many of us old guys- I am married to an (careful here)
>   older
>   >   gal. Her
>   >   > musical taste has devolved to quiet Celtic stuff, (easy on 
the
>   >   bodran).
>   >   > Phew.
>   >   > Can you imagine her response to having to hear that old 
Gretch
>   >   kit? Now all
>   >   > she hears is clickety clickety %$#$#, clickety clickety %
$#$#.
>   She
>   >   seems to
>   >   > be able to live with that.
>   >   >
>   >   > Now will someone tell me what TP stands for?
>   >   >
>   >   > Creighton
>   >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   >   From: brown8700 [mailto:brown8700@a...]
>   >   >   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:27 PM
>   >   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   >   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Zildjian antivibes (was: 
Pintechs -
>   dual
>   >   or
>   >   > stereo?)
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   Creighton:
>   >   >
>   >   >   I started playing the DTX a little over a year ago. 
After 34
>   >   years of
>   >   >   continuous playing without any joint problems, I started 
to
>   get a
>   >   >   pain in my left elbow. I suspected it was either CTS or 
just
>   >   bruising
>   >   >   from the sheer shock of slamming a stick on the TP 
snare. In
>   >   >   February, I switched over to Pintech mesh-headed drums 
and
>   the
>   >   pain
>   >   >   is all but absent. I also switched to the Zenbals and 
started
>   >   using
>   >   >   AHEAD aluminum drumsticks, which seem to help as well.
>   >   >   I continue to use a TP pad for both my HiHat and Ride, 
but to
>   >   date I
>   >   >   have experienced no pain in the joints of my right elbow 
or
>   >   wrist.
>   >   >   However, these are soon to be replaced by Zenbals as well
>   >   (hopefully).
>   >   >
>   >   >   On a side note, what's with all us old guys playing e-
drums?
>   >   Aren't
>   >   >   we supposed to purists, playing little Gretsch jazz kits 
and
>   >   using
>   >   >   brushes? Maybe if we did we wouldn't have all these 
aches and
>   >   pains!
>   >   >
>   >   >   Stephen
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--- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> Isn't it weird to think that your daughter probably regards
> the era as ancient history? I'm always taken aback by "kids"
> who don't have a sense of the Beatles or other musicians of
> the time.

And then they go and surprise you. My daughters are 17, 15 and 12 
and all musicians. The middle daughter is a fine singer and pianist 
and was recently rewarded for a performance of Britten's Abraham and 
Isaac with music shop coupons. She returned with a book of Sinatra 
classics. When she was about 10, I once came down to find her at the 
computer doing some school work, with headphones on. Turned out she 
was listening to Coltrane. And now we perform Vanessa Carlton stuff 
together (number 1 daughter plays bass too).

(Drags thread back vaguely on topic) ... saw Nate Morton playing 
with VC in London recently. Never seen him before, but he was 
*excellent* - fantastic work rate, great showman, but with that 
difficult to pin down quality of apparently having plenty of time to 
spare. Last but not least, he looked like he was having a great time.

Er. And he occasionally uses trigger pads. There, on topic!

Stewart

Stewart,

Can you tell that I don't feel much like working today? Anyway, you 
have an incredibly musical family. I couldn't even pretend to follow 
Coltrane until I was in my twenties (when I could start pretending 
with authority, as well as palpitate to Elvin Jones), and I must 
confess that Vanessa Carlton and Nate Morton are unfamiliar to me, 
but based on your family's credentials, they seem well worth finding 
out about.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > Isn't it weird to think that your daughter probably regards
> > the era as ancient history? I'm always taken aback by "kids"
> > who don't have a sense of the Beatles or other musicians of
> > the time.
> 
> And then they go and surprise you. My daughters are 17, 15 and 12 
> and all musicians. The middle daughter is a fine singer and 
pianist 
> and was recently rewarded for a performance of Britten's Abraham 
and 
> Isaac with music shop coupons. She returned with a book of Sinatra 
> classics. When she was about 10, I once came down to find her at 
the 
> computer doing some school work, with headphones on. Turned out 
she 
> was listening to Coltrane. And now we perform Vanessa Carlton 
stuff 
> together (number 1 daughter plays bass too).
> 
> (Drags thread back vaguely on topic) ... saw Nate Morton playing 
> with VC in London recently. Never seen him before, but he was 
> *excellent* - fantastic work rate, great showman, but with that 
> difficult to pin down quality of apparently having plenty of time 
to 
> spare. Last but not least, he looked like he was having a great 
time.

> 
> Er. And he occasionally uses trigger pads. There, on topic!
> 
> Stewart

Ain't NOTHING a little Celebrex and a shot of
cortisone won't fix!....I am living proof!
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> While we're on the subject, has anyone noticed the
> variation in 5As 
> across different makers? I use two brands mainly,
> Pro Mark 
> Millennium IIs and Zildjians, and they are so
> different in feel that 
> I consider the Pro Marks to be my rock sticks and
> the Zildjians my 
> precision ones. 
> 
> What we old bastards need from our kits is enough
> give to keep these 
> brittle bodies from breaking down. The polymer
> coating of the ZB 
> cymbal should help, but the meshes, or even mylars,
> are a godsend in 
> that regard. Proper posture, grip, and technique
> helps, too. I've 
> been learning about that recently.
> 
> Stephen, I had one of those Gretsch jazzy kits for
> years (still have 
> it)--actually a Walberg and Auge, the OEM
> manufacturers--with a 
> Ludwig chrome shell snare from the sixties handed
> down by Buddy 
> Miles of all people. I loved it so much that I kept
> adjusting it 
> myself to accommodate new sounds. At the end of the
> road, it was so 
> riddled with tape and muffling that it looked a
> little like 
> mummified Egyptian drums.
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700"
> <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> > Creighton:
> > 
> > I started playing the DTX a little over a year
> ago. After 34 years 
> of 
> > continuous playing without any joint problems, I
> started to get a 
> > pain in my left elbow. I suspected it was either
> CTS or just 
> bruising 
> > from the sheer shock of slamming a stick on the TP
> snare. In 
> > February, I switched over to Pintech mesh-headed
> drums and the 
> pain 
> > is all but absent. I also switched to the Zenbals
> and started 
> using 
> > AHEAD aluminum drumsticks, which seem to help as
> well.
> > I continue to use a TP pad for both my HiHat and
> Ride, but to date 
> I 
> > have experienced no pain in the joints of my right
> elbow or wrist. 
> > However, these are soon to be replaced by Zenbals
> as well 
> (hopefully).
> > 
> > On a side note, what's with all us old guys
> playing e-drums? 
> Aren't 
> > we supposed to purists, playing little Gretsch
> jazz kits and using 
> > brushes? Maybe if we did we wouldn't have all
> these aches and 
> pains!
> > 
> > Stephen
> 
> 


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Talk about not waning to work much today... It's Derby week here in 
beautiful Louisville, KY and most everybody was out at the track 
today. The 'Oaks' which is run today, is pretty much referred to as 
the LOUISVILLE DERBY. The office was empty. I was stuck there holding 
down the fort, because me and the Prez are going out tomorrow.
I'll see a lot of pretty fillies tomorrow (and some horses, too)

Stephen

Kentucky: Home of fast horses and beautiful women. Or is that the 
other way around?