Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

You are trooper to hang in there with this, I really am thankful for 
your help.  I feel like I'm so close to a solution, wouldn't it be 
cool if we could figure this out!  I will email the guy at Yamaha, 
and keep fiddling.  I wish I had more experience under my belt, but 
heck, I'm learning a lot along the way! In the meantime, I have to 
program some kits to play.  I want to try some layering. I bought 
this kit because I was tired of hauling the acoustic set to 
rehearsal, and wanted a lightweight solution. It's been a blast to 
play!
Raven

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> I'm grasping at straws here, but did you save the original kit when 
> you changed the note numbers? If not, they may have reverted back 
to 
> default, which might explain why the settings didn't hold, though 
> that wouldn't explain why you've lost sound completely. You didn't 
> somehow mute all the channels on the Program Change, Bank Select 
> page of the Song Job Mode, did you? I'm just not convinced that new 
> note numbers can't be transferred to the data in a pad song. After 
> all, new note numbers can be transferred to floating voices on the 
> DTXpress for access by MIDI devices like my MidiKiti (after a reset 
> on DTXII, which I don't have), which accesses voices corresponding 
> to note numbers set in the utility menu regardless of which kit in 
> the DTX I happen to be playing. If I thought that you might have 
> forgotten to plug the damn thing in, I would have suggested that, 
> too. Overlooking the simple things is often the reason for 
> frustrating situations, as we have all found out. Most recently, 
> check Vern's post about the mystery kit. 
> 
> By the way, other more labor-intensive--and probably not intended-- 
> ways of laying percussion in DTX songs exist. One way is to record 
> the song with the kit that you want, as you've already done. Then 
> switch the original note numbers and voices within that kit to the 
> rims of triggers that you don't use, and program the body of the 
> pads for other voices with the note numbers originally set for the 
> rims. You are essentially fooling the DTX into playing the song 
back 
> as initially recorded, because it still recognizes the note numbers 
> and voices, but you are also free to accompany the song with a 
> second kit programmed to the pads. Get it? 
> 
> But, like you, I find it hard to give up on your problem at this 
> point. If troubleshooting's starting to get you down, email Dave 
> Kyski (dksyki@y...), Head of Customer Support, who's 
> particularly good with MIDI. While you're waiting for a reply, we 
> can keep batting it around.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Yep, it us the whole song that is not playing, and yep, all my 
> volume 
> > levels are up.  I have done a factory reset, and it is a DTX2. 
> When I 
> > look at the new settings for the note numbers it comes 
> up "(drumkit 
> > data)", so it must be assigning those numbers only for the 
> original 
> > kit. I'm starting to think this cannot be done (but I'm still 
> > hoping)... I'm curious, this seems like something a drummer would 
> buy 
> > an electronic kit for, is to have layers of percussion available, 
> or 
> > do I just think that way because I was a conga/percussion player 
> for 
> > ten years before I picked up the set?  Do other electronic kits 
> have 
> > this feature available?  Hmmm.
> > 
> > Raven
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Oooh, did I misunderstand? The whole song, not just the 
> percussion, 
> > > isn't playing when you hit the pad? Check to make sure that 
none 
> > of  
> > > your original settings have drifted; the new note numbers for 
> drum 
> > > voices shouldn't affect what's coming from the tone generator 
on 
> > > other channels. I'm too sleepy to think straight anymore.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after 
Voice 
> > > > (5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, is 
> > > Volume, 
> > > > Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that determine 
> the 
> > > > characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember that 
> > when 
> > > > you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of 
another 
> > > kit, 
> > > > the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in 
the 
> > > > original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an 
> alien  
> > > > environment; the note numbers in the song are floating 
without 
> > > > parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. I'm 
> > > hoping 
> > > > that the pad song is muted because the level of the 
individual 
> > > > voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access 
> voices 
> > > > outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an 
external 
> > > > sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you would 
> use. 
> > > > The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it a 
> try. 
> > > > I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings 
that 
> > > > allowed pad song to work before.
> > > > 
> > > > By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do a 
> > > factory 
> > > > reset before you did anything else? After weeks of agonizing 
> > about 
> > > > why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working 
> with 
> > > new 
> > > > modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of the 
> box, 
> > > the 
> > > > DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission over 
> > > > channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset cured 
> it. 
> > > We 
> > > > can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, if 
we 
> > > can't 
> > > > figure out what else to do. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Ed,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-
> 127, 
> > > > When I 
> > > > > try to play back the song in another kit, the song light 
> blinks 
> > > > like 
> > > > > its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play 
> in 
> > > the 
> > > > > original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, 
I 
> am 
> > > a 
> > > > > novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like 
> > we're 
> > > > > closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Raven
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Raven,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm 
> actually 
> > > > > writing 
> > > > > > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion 
> or 
> > > two 
> > > > > now, 
> > > > > > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, 
> and 
> > > I'd 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that 
> wouldn't 
> > > > send 
> > > > > > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's 
> more 
> > > > current 
> > > > > > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig 
> > into 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes 
> slow 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> > > <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and 
> > > can't 
> > > > > find 
> > > > > > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that 
> uses 
> > > > congas 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a 
> > > > different 
> > > > > > kit, 
> > > > > > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that 
> are 
> > > > > > assigned 
> > > > > > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but 
> not 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that 
> others 
> > > > have 
> > > > > > had 
> > > > > > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or 
> > > whatever 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or 
> is 
> > it 
> > > > > > beyond 
> > > > > > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the 
limitation 
> is 
> > > my 
> > > > > > brain 
> > > > > > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, 
> but 
> > > it 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Raven