Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey all,

I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and can't find 
the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses congas and 
other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a different kit, 
I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are assigned 
to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not with the 
sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others have had 
trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or whatever is 
assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it beyond 
the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is my brain 
and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but it is a 
bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!

Raven

Raven,

I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm actually writing 
this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion or two now, 
but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, and I'd have 
to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that wouldn't send 
you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's more current 
with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig into it 
late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes slow with 
this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and can't find 
> the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses congas 
and 
> other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a different 
kit, 
> I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
assigned 
> to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not with 
the 
> sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others have 
had 
> trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or whatever is 
> assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it 
beyond 
> the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is my 
brain 
> and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but it is 
a 

> bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> 
> Raven

Raven,

When you record a song using a kit, the sounds associated with that 
kit are represented by individual note numbers; in other words, each 
voice in that kit carries its own note number, which can be found by 
scrolling through the voice menu. Theoretically, each voice on the 
dtx might be thought to have its own note number, but if you check 
the default kits 1-48, you'll notice that every snare on input 2 has 
the same note number, #113, each tom on input 3 has the same note #, 
and so on. These note numbers also follow into each user kit that 
you create; eg, all of your user kit snares on input 2 will also be 
numbered #113 by default. 

What this system does is lock the note number logic to single kits. 
If you leave one kit for another in some MIDI application, expecting 
that your recorded percussion will remain intact, you'll be 
disappointed; it will voice according to the old note numbers in the 
new kit. A song that becomes a pad song will be governed by the note-
number logic of the kit in which it now appears, borrowing the 
voices associated with the numbers that you originally tapped in 
another kit. What you can try is assigning unused note numbers to 
the voices in the original user kit that went into the recording. 
Then it won't matter when you switch kits; you'll still hear the 
sounds that you want. 

To find note numbers that are not already assigned within the dtx, 
you'll have to scroll through the utility menu to the Map Group sub-
mode. The first entry in that section (5) is Voice (5.1). Check the 
manual. At N =, go through all the note numbers between 1 and 127 
until you find one that comes up as No Assign. You can attach it to 
one of the voices in the kit that you want to record--say, K/001, or 
whatever. Then go the next one, etc. I can't remember where the 
blocks of free numbers are located; there aren't a lot of them. The 
120s may be a good place. I also don't know whether you'll be able 
to plug these new numbers into the song as already recorded or 
whether you'll have to start from scratch. God, I only hope it works 
at all.

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and can't find 
> the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses congas 
and 
> other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a different 
kit, 
> I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
assigned 
> to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not with 
the 
> sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others have 
had 
> trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or whatever is 
> assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it 
beyond 
> the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is my 
brain 
> and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but it is 
a 

> bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> 
> Raven

Ed,

Thanks for your input. I have band rehearsal all day today, but will 
try this as soon as I have a chance. Thanks again for taking the time 
to write, you rock!

Raven

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Raven,
> 
> When you record a song using a kit, the sounds associated with that 
> kit are represented by individual note numbers; in other words, 
each 
> voice in that kit carries its own note number, which can be found 
by 
> scrolling through the voice menu. Theoretically, each voice on the 
> dtx might be thought to have its own note number, but if you check 
> the default kits 1-48, you'll notice that every snare on input 2 
has 
> the same note number, #113, each tom on input 3 has the same note 
#, 
> and so on. These note numbers also follow into each user kit that 
> you create; eg, all of your user kit snares on input 2 will also be 
> numbered #113 by default. 
> 
> What this system does is lock the note number logic to single kits. 
> If you leave one kit for another in some MIDI application, 
expecting 
> that your recorded percussion will remain intact, you'll be 
> disappointed; it will voice according to the old note numbers in 
the 
> new kit. A song that becomes a pad song will be governed by the 
note-
> number logic of the kit in which it now appears, borrowing the 
> voices associated with the numbers that you originally tapped in 
> another kit. What you can try is assigning unused note numbers to 
> the voices in the original user kit that went into the recording. 
> Then it won't matter when you switch kits; you'll still hear the 
> sounds that you want. 
> 
> To find note numbers that are not already assigned within the dtx, 
> you'll have to scroll through the utility menu to the Map Group sub-
> mode. The first entry in that section (5) is Voice (5.1). Check the 
> manual. At N =, go through all the note numbers between 1 and 127 
> until you find one that comes up as No Assign. You can attach it to 
> one of the voices in the kit that you want to record--say, K/001, 
or 
> whatever. Then go the next one, etc. I can't remember where the 
> blocks of free numbers are located; there aren't a lot of them. The 
> 120s may be a good place. I also don't know whether you'll be able 
> to plug these new numbers into the song as already recorded or 
> whether you'll have to start from scratch. God, I only hope it 
works 
> at all.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and can't 
find 

> > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses congas 
> and 
> > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a different 
> kit, 
> > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
> assigned 
> > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not with 
> the 
> > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others have 
> had 
> > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or whatever is 
> > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it 
> beyond 
> > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is my 
> brain 
> > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but it is 
> a 
> > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > 
> > Raven

Ed,

I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-127, When I 
try to play back the song in another kit, the song light blinks like 
its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play in the 
original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, I am a 
novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like we're 
closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?

Raven

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Raven,
> 
> I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm actually 
writing 
> this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion or two 
now, 
> but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, and I'd 
have 
> to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that wouldn't send 
> you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's more current 
> with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig into it 
> late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes slow with 
> this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and can't 
find 

> > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses congas 
> and 
> > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a different 
> kit, 
> > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
> assigned 
> > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not with 
> the 
> > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others have 
> had 
> > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or whatever is 
> > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it 
> beyond 
> > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is my 
> brain 
> > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but it is 
> a 
> > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > 
> > Raven

Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after Voice 
(5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, is Volume, 
Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that determine the 
characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember that when 
you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of another kit, 
the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in the 
original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an alien  
environment; the note numbers in the song are floating without 
parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. I'm hoping 
that the pad song is muted because the level of the individual 
voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access voices 
outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an external 
sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you would use. 
The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it a try. 
I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings that 
allowed pad song to work before.

By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do a factory 
reset before you did anything else? After weeks of agonizing about 
why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working with new 
modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of the box, the 
DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission over 
channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset cured it. We 
can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, if we can't 
figure out what else to do. 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-127, 
When I 
> try to play back the song in another kit, the song light blinks 
like 
> its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play in the 
> original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, I am a 
> novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like we're 
> closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> 
> Raven
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Raven,
> > 
> > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm actually 
> writing 
> > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion or two 
> now, 
> > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, and I'd 
> have 
> > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that wouldn't 
send 
> > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's more 
current 
> > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig into 
it 
> > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes slow 
with 
> > this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > > 
> > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and can't 
> find 
> > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses 
congas 
> > and 
> > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a 
different 
> > kit, 
> > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
> > assigned 
> > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not 
with 
> > the 
> > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others 
have 
> > had 
> > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or whatever 
is 
> > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it 
> > beyond 
> > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is my 
> > brain 
> > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but it 
is 

> > a 
> > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > 
> > > Raven

Oooh, did I misunderstand? The whole song, not just the percussion, 
isn't playing when you hit the pad? Check to make sure that none of  
your original settings have drifted; the new note numbers for drum 
voices shouldn't affect what's coming from the tone generator on 
other channels. I'm too sleepy to think straight anymore.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after Voice 
> (5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, is 
Volume, 
> Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that determine the 
> characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember that when 
> you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of another 
kit, 
> the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in the 
> original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an alien  
> environment; the note numbers in the song are floating without 
> parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. I'm 
hoping 
> that the pad song is muted because the level of the individual 
> voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access voices 
> outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an external 
> sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you would use. 
> The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it a try. 
> I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings that 
> allowed pad song to work before.
> 
> By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do a 
factory 
> reset before you did anything else? After weeks of agonizing about 
> why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working with 
new 
> modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of the box, 
the 
> DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission over 
> channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset cured it. 
We 
> can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, if we 
can't 
> figure out what else to do. 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Ed,
> > 
> > I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-127, 
> When I 
> > try to play back the song in another kit, the song light blinks 
> like 
> > its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play in 
the 
> > original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, I am 
a 
> > novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like we're 
> > closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> > 
> > Raven
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Raven,
> > > 
> > > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm actually 
> > writing 
> > > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion or 
two 
> > now, 
> > > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, and 
I'd 
> > have 
> > > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that wouldn't 
> send 
> > > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's more 
> current 
> > > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig into 
> it 
> > > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes slow 
> with 
> > > this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
<herondrums@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey all,
> > > > 
> > > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and 
can't 
> > find 
> > > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses 
> congas 
> > > and 
> > > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a 
> different 
> > > kit, 
> > > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
> > > assigned 
> > > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not 
> with 
> > > the 
> > > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others 
> have 
> > > had 
> > > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or 
whatever 
> is 
> > > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is it 
> > > beyond 
> > > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is 
my 
> > > brain 
> > > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but 
it 

> is 
> > > a 
> > > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > > 
> > > > Raven

Yep, it us the whole song that is not playing, and yep, all my volume 
levels are up.  I have done a factory reset, and it is a DTX2. When I 
look at the new settings for the note numbers it comes up "(drumkit 
data)", so it must be assigning those numbers only for the original 
kit. I'm starting to think this cannot be done (but I'm still 
hoping)... I'm curious, this seems like something a drummer would buy 
an electronic kit for, is to have layers of percussion available, or 
do I just think that way because I was a conga/percussion player for 
ten years before I picked up the set?  Do other electronic kits have 
this feature available?  Hmmm.

Raven

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Oooh, did I misunderstand? The whole song, not just the percussion, 
> isn't playing when you hit the pad? Check to make sure that none 
of  
> your original settings have drifted; the new note numbers for drum 
> voices shouldn't affect what's coming from the tone generator on 
> other channels. I'm too sleepy to think straight anymore.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after Voice 
> > (5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, is 
> Volume, 
> > Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that determine the 
> > characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember that 
when 
> > you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of another 
> kit, 
> > the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in the 
> > original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an alien  
> > environment; the note numbers in the song are floating without 
> > parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. I'm 
> hoping 
> > that the pad song is muted because the level of the individual 
> > voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access voices 
> > outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an external 
> > sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you would use. 
> > The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it a try. 
> > I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings that 
> > allowed pad song to work before.
> > 
> > By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do a 
> factory 
> > reset before you did anything else? After weeks of agonizing 
about 
> > why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working with 
> new 
> > modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of the box, 
> the 
> > DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission over 
> > channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset cured it. 
> We 
> > can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, if we 
> can't 
> > figure out what else to do. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Ed,
> > > 
> > > I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-127, 
> > When I 
> > > try to play back the song in another kit, the song light blinks 
> > like 
> > > its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play in 
> the 
> > > original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, I am 
> a 
> > > novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like 
we're 
> > > closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> > > 
> > > Raven
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Raven,
> > > > 
> > > > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm actually 
> > > writing 
> > > > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion or 
> two 
> > > now, 
> > > > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, and 
> I'd 
> > > have 
> > > > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that wouldn't 
> > send 
> > > > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's more 
> > current 
> > > > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig 
into 
> > it 
> > > > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes slow 
> > with 
> > > > this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and 
> can't 
> > > find 
> > > > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that uses 
> > congas 
> > > > and 
> > > > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a 
> > different 
> > > > kit, 
> > > > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that are 
> > > > assigned 
> > > > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but not 
> > with 
> > > > the 
> > > > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that others 
> > have 
> > > > had 
> > > > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or 
> whatever 
> > is 
> > > > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or is 
it 

> > > > beyond 
> > > > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation is 
> my 
> > > > brain 
> > > > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, but 
> it 
> > is 
> > > > a 
> > > > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Raven

I'm grasping at straws here, but did you save the original kit when 
you changed the note numbers? If not, they may have reverted back to 
default, which might explain why the settings didn't hold, though 
that wouldn't explain why you've lost sound completely. You didn't 
somehow mute all the channels on the Program Change, Bank Select 
page of the Song Job Mode, did you? I'm just not convinced that new 
note numbers can't be transferred to the data in a pad song. After 
all, new note numbers can be transferred to floating voices on the 
DTXpress for access by MIDI devices like my MidiKiti (after a reset 
on DTXII, which I don't have), which accesses voices corresponding 
to note numbers set in the utility menu regardless of which kit in 
the DTX I happen to be playing. If I thought that you might have 
forgotten to plug the damn thing in, I would have suggested that, 
too. Overlooking the simple things is often the reason for 
frustrating situations, as we have all found out. Most recently, 
check Vern's post about the mystery kit. 

By the way, other more labor-intensive--and probably not intended-- 
ways of laying percussion in DTX songs exist. One way is to record 
the song with the kit that you want, as you've already done. Then 
switch the original note numbers and voices within that kit to the 
rims of triggers that you don't use, and program the body of the 
pads for other voices with the note numbers originally set for the 
rims. You are essentially fooling the DTX into playing the song back 
as initially recorded, because it still recognizes the note numbers 
and voices, but you are also free to accompany the song with a 
second kit programmed to the pads. Get it? 

But, like you, I find it hard to give up on your problem at this 
point. If troubleshooting's starting to get you down, email Dave 
Kyski (dksyki@...), Head of Customer Support, who's 
particularly good with MIDI. While you're waiting for a reply, we 
can keep batting it around.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
wrote:
> Yep, it us the whole song that is not playing, and yep, all my 
volume 
> levels are up.  I have done a factory reset, and it is a DTX2. 
When I 
> look at the new settings for the note numbers it comes 
up "(drumkit 
> data)", so it must be assigning those numbers only for the 
original 
> kit. I'm starting to think this cannot be done (but I'm still 
> hoping)... I'm curious, this seems like something a drummer would 
buy 
> an electronic kit for, is to have layers of percussion available, 
or 
> do I just think that way because I was a conga/percussion player 
for 
> ten years before I picked up the set?  Do other electronic kits 
have 
> this feature available?  Hmmm.
> 
> Raven
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Oooh, did I misunderstand? The whole song, not just the 
percussion, 
> > isn't playing when you hit the pad? Check to make sure that none 
> of  
> > your original settings have drifted; the new note numbers for 
drum 
> > voices shouldn't affect what's coming from the tone generator on 
> > other channels. I'm too sleepy to think straight anymore.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after Voice 
> > > (5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, is 
> > Volume, 
> > > Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that determine 
the 
> > > characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember that 
> when 
> > > you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of another 
> > kit, 
> > > the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in the 
> > > original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an 
alien  
> > > environment; the note numbers in the song are floating without 
> > > parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. I'm 
> > hoping 
> > > that the pad song is muted because the level of the individual 
> > > voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access 
voices 
> > > outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an external 
> > > sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you would 
use. 
> > > The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it a 
try. 
> > > I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings that 
> > > allowed pad song to work before.
> > > 
> > > By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do a 
> > factory 
> > > reset before you did anything else? After weeks of agonizing 
> about 
> > > why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working 
with 
> > new 
> > > modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of the 
box, 
> > the 
> > > DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission over 
> > > channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset cured 
it. 
> > We 
> > > can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, if we 
> > can't 
> > > figure out what else to do. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
<herondrums@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Ed,
> > > > 
> > > > I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-
127, 
> > > When I 
> > > > try to play back the song in another kit, the song light 
blinks 
> > > like 
> > > > its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play 
in 
> > the 
> > > > original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, I 
am 
> > a 
> > > > novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like 
> we're 
> > > > closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> > > > 
> > > > Raven
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Raven,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm 
actually 
> > > > writing 
> > > > > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion 
or 
> > two 
> > > > now, 
> > > > > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, 
and 
> > I'd 
> > > > have 
> > > > > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that 
wouldn't 
> > > send 
> > > > > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's 
more 
> > > current 
> > > > > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig 
> into 
> > > it 
> > > > > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes 
slow 
> > > with 
> > > > > this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> > <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and 
> > can't 
> > > > find 
> > > > > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that 
uses 
> > > congas 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a 
> > > different 
> > > > > kit, 
> > > > > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that 
are 
> > > > > assigned 
> > > > > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but 
not 
> > > with 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that 
others 
> > > have 
> > > > > had 
> > > > > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or 
> > whatever 
> > > is 
> > > > > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or 
is 
> it 
> > > > > beyond 
> > > > > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the limitation 
is 
> > my 
> > > > > brain 
> > > > > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, 
but 

> > it 
> > > is 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Raven

You are trooper to hang in there with this, I really am thankful for 
your help.  I feel like I'm so close to a solution, wouldn't it be 
cool if we could figure this out!  I will email the guy at Yamaha, 
and keep fiddling.  I wish I had more experience under my belt, but 
heck, I'm learning a lot along the way! In the meantime, I have to 
program some kits to play.  I want to try some layering. I bought 
this kit because I was tired of hauling the acoustic set to 
rehearsal, and wanted a lightweight solution. It's been a blast to 
play!
Raven

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> I'm grasping at straws here, but did you save the original kit when 
> you changed the note numbers? If not, they may have reverted back 
to 
> default, which might explain why the settings didn't hold, though 
> that wouldn't explain why you've lost sound completely. You didn't 
> somehow mute all the channels on the Program Change, Bank Select 
> page of the Song Job Mode, did you? I'm just not convinced that new 
> note numbers can't be transferred to the data in a pad song. After 
> all, new note numbers can be transferred to floating voices on the 
> DTXpress for access by MIDI devices like my MidiKiti (after a reset 
> on DTXII, which I don't have), which accesses voices corresponding 
> to note numbers set in the utility menu regardless of which kit in 
> the DTX I happen to be playing. If I thought that you might have 
> forgotten to plug the damn thing in, I would have suggested that, 
> too. Overlooking the simple things is often the reason for 
> frustrating situations, as we have all found out. Most recently, 
> check Vern's post about the mystery kit. 
> 
> By the way, other more labor-intensive--and probably not intended-- 
> ways of laying percussion in DTX songs exist. One way is to record 
> the song with the kit that you want, as you've already done. Then 
> switch the original note numbers and voices within that kit to the 
> rims of triggers that you don't use, and program the body of the 
> pads for other voices with the note numbers originally set for the 
> rims. You are essentially fooling the DTX into playing the song 
back 
> as initially recorded, because it still recognizes the note numbers 
> and voices, but you are also free to accompany the song with a 
> second kit programmed to the pads. Get it? 
> 
> But, like you, I find it hard to give up on your problem at this 
> point. If troubleshooting's starting to get you down, email Dave 
> Kyski (dksyki@y...), Head of Customer Support, who's 
> particularly good with MIDI. While you're waiting for a reply, we 
> can keep batting it around.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Yep, it us the whole song that is not playing, and yep, all my 
> volume 
> > levels are up.  I have done a factory reset, and it is a DTX2. 
> When I 
> > look at the new settings for the note numbers it comes 
> up "(drumkit 
> > data)", so it must be assigning those numbers only for the 
> original 
> > kit. I'm starting to think this cannot be done (but I'm still 
> > hoping)... I'm curious, this seems like something a drummer would 
> buy 
> > an electronic kit for, is to have layers of percussion available, 
> or 
> > do I just think that way because I was a conga/percussion player 
> for 
> > ten years before I picked up the set?  Do other electronic kits 
> have 
> > this feature available?  Hmmm.
> > 
> > Raven
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Oooh, did I misunderstand? The whole song, not just the 
> percussion, 
> > > isn't playing when you hit the pad? Check to make sure that 
none 
> > of  
> > > your original settings have drifted; the new note numbers for 
> drum 
> > > voices shouldn't affect what's coming from the tone generator 
on 
> > > other channels. I'm too sleepy to think straight anymore.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after 
Voice 
> > > > (5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, is 
> > > Volume, 
> > > > Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that determine 
> the 
> > > > characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember that 
> > when 
> > > > you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of 
another 
> > > kit, 
> > > > the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in 
the 
> > > > original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an 
> alien  
> > > > environment; the note numbers in the song are floating 
without 
> > > > parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. I'm 
> > > hoping 
> > > > that the pad song is muted because the level of the 
individual 
> > > > voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access 
> voices 
> > > > outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an 
external 
> > > > sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you would 
> use. 
> > > > The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it a 
> try. 
> > > > I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings 
that 
> > > > allowed pad song to work before.
> > > > 
> > > > By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do a 
> > > factory 
> > > > reset before you did anything else? After weeks of agonizing 
> > about 
> > > > why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working 
> with 
> > > new 
> > > > modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of the 
> box, 
> > > the 
> > > > DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission over 
> > > > channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset cured 
> it. 
> > > We 
> > > > can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, if 
we 
> > > can't 
> > > > figure out what else to do. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Ed,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 120-
> 127, 
> > > > When I 
> > > > > try to play back the song in another kit, the song light 
> blinks 
> > > > like 
> > > > > its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does play 
> in 
> > > the 
> > > > > original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum(however, 
I 
> am 
> > > a 
> > > > > novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel like 
> > we're 
> > > > > closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Raven
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Raven,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm 
> actually 
> > > > > writing 
> > > > > > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting suggestion 
> or 
> > > two 
> > > > > now, 
> > > > > > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song function, 
> and 
> > > I'd 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that 
> wouldn't 
> > > > send 
> > > > > > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's 
> more 
> > > > current 
> > > > > > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to dig 
> > into 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are sometimes 
> slow 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > this group, but replies usually start flying on Monday. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> > > <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, and 
> > > can't 
> > > > > find 
> > > > > > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that 
> uses 
> > > > congas 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to a 
> > > > different 
> > > > > > kit, 
> > > > > > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds that 
> are 
> > > > > > assigned 
> > > > > > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, but 
> not 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that 
> others 
> > > > have 
> > > > > > had 
> > > > > > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms or 
> > > whatever 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, or 
> is 
> > it 
> > > > > > beyond 
> > > > > > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the 
limitation 

> is 
> > > my 
> > > > > > brain 
> > > > > > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the set, 
> but 
> > > it 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Raven

Yeah, troubleshooting--even unsuccessful troubleshooting--is a great 
way to get familiar with the module. The DTXpress is a terrific 
piece of equipment for its price, despite the slightly clunky user 
interface. You get a healthy smattering of many features that 
inhabit the higher end, and many that are desirable in their own 
right. Plus, this group has collectively cultivated something of a 
relationship with Yamaha, as well as with some of the cottage 
industries making aftermarket products, that enhances our positions 
as consumers a bit. Tell Dave Kysiki that you're a member of this 
group. Try that with Roland or ddrum. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
wrote:
> You are trooper to hang in there with this, I really am thankful 
for 
> your help.  I feel like I'm so close to a solution, wouldn't it be 
> cool if we could figure this out!  I will email the guy at Yamaha, 
> and keep fiddling.  I wish I had more experience under my belt, 
but 
> heck, I'm learning a lot along the way! In the meantime, I have to 
> program some kits to play.  I want to try some layering. I bought 
> this kit because I was tired of hauling the acoustic set to 
> rehearsal, and wanted a lightweight solution. It's been a blast to 
> play!
> Raven
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > I'm grasping at straws here, but did you save the original kit 
when 
> > you changed the note numbers? If not, they may have reverted 
back 
> to 
> > default, which might explain why the settings didn't hold, 
though 
> > that wouldn't explain why you've lost sound completely. You 
didn't 
> > somehow mute all the channels on the Program Change, Bank Select 
> > page of the Song Job Mode, did you? I'm just not convinced that 
new 
> > note numbers can't be transferred to the data in a pad song. 
After 
> > all, new note numbers can be transferred to floating voices on 
the 
> > DTXpress for access by MIDI devices like my MidiKiti (after a 
reset 
> > on DTXII, which I don't have), which accesses voices 
corresponding 
> > to note numbers set in the utility menu regardless of which kit 
in 
> > the DTX I happen to be playing. If I thought that you might have 
> > forgotten to plug the damn thing in, I would have suggested 
that, 
> > too. Overlooking the simple things is often the reason for 
> > frustrating situations, as we have all found out. Most recently, 
> > check Vern's post about the mystery kit. 
> > 
> > By the way, other more labor-intensive--and probably not 
intended-- 
> > ways of laying percussion in DTX songs exist. One way is to 
record 
> > the song with the kit that you want, as you've already done. 
Then 
> > switch the original note numbers and voices within that kit to 
the 
> > rims of triggers that you don't use, and program the body of the 
> > pads for other voices with the note numbers originally set for 
the 
> > rims. You are essentially fooling the DTX into playing the song 
> back 
> > as initially recorded, because it still recognizes the note 
numbers 
> > and voices, but you are also free to accompany the song with a 
> > second kit programmed to the pads. Get it? 
> > 
> > But, like you, I find it hard to give up on your problem at this 
> > point. If troubleshooting's starting to get you down, email Dave 
> > Kyski (dksyki@y...), Head of Customer Support, who's 
> > particularly good with MIDI. While you're waiting for a reply, 
we 
> > can keep batting it around.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" <herondrums@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Yep, it us the whole song that is not playing, and yep, all my 
> > volume 
> > > levels are up.  I have done a factory reset, and it is a DTX2. 
> > When I 
> > > look at the new settings for the note numbers it comes 
> > up "(drumkit 
> > > data)", so it must be assigning those numbers only for the 
> > original 
> > > kit. I'm starting to think this cannot be done (but I'm still 
> > > hoping)... I'm curious, this seems like something a drummer 
would 
> > buy 
> > > an electronic kit for, is to have layers of percussion 
available, 
> > or 
> > > do I just think that way because I was a conga/percussion 
player 
> > for 
> > > ten years before I picked up the set?  Do other electronic 
kits 
> > have 
> > > this feature available?  Hmmm.
> > > 
> > > Raven
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Oooh, did I misunderstand? The whole song, not just the 
> > percussion, 
> > > > isn't playing when you hit the pad? Check to make sure that 
> none 
> > > of  
> > > > your original settings have drifted; the new note numbers 
for 
> > drum 
> > > > voices shouldn't affect what's coming from the tone 
generator 
> on 
> > > > other channels. I'm too sleepy to think straight anymore.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Okay, let's try this. The page in the utility menu after 
> Voice 
> > > > > (5.1), where you set the numbers for your chosen sounds, 
is 
> > > > Volume, 
> > > > > Pan (5.2), followed by other pages (5.3 to 5.6)that 
determine 
> > the 
> > > > > characteristics of the note numbers set in 5-1. Remember 
that 
> > > when 
> > > > > you moved the song from its original kit to the pad of 
> another 
> > > > kit, 
> > > > > the voice characteristics associated with those numbers in 
> the 
> > > > > original kit cannot follow it, because they are now in an 
> > alien  
> > > > > environment; the note numbers in the song are floating 
> without 
> > > > > parameters. These pages in the utility menu restore them. 
I'm 
> > > > hoping 
> > > > > that the pad song is muted because the level of the 
> individual 
> > > > > voices is low or nonexistent. If you were trying to access 
> > voices 
> > > > > outside of a particular chosen kit in the dtx from an 
> external 
> > > > > sequencer or MIDI device, these are the pages that you 
would 
> > use. 
> > > > > The same should be true under these circumstances. Give it 
a 
> > try. 
> > > > > I'm assuming that you haven't changed any of the settings 
> that 
> > > > > allowed pad song to work before.
> > > > > 
> > > > > By the way, do you have the DTXpress II? If so, did you do 
a 
> > > > factory 
> > > > > reset before you did anything else? After weeks of 
agonizing 
> > > about 
> > > > > why certain basic MIDI functions didn't seem to be working 
> > with 
> > > > new 
> > > > > modules, we discovered, with Yamaha's help, that out of 
the 
> > box, 
> > > > the 
> > > > > DTXpess brain had a bug that prevented MIDI transmission 
over 
> > > > > channel 10, and maybe other channels as well. The reset 
cured 
> > it. 
> > > > We 
> > > > > can leave the reset as a last resort, or contact Yamaha, 
if 
> we 
> > > > can't 
> > > > > figure out what else to do. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> > <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I've tried what you suggested, I found blank notes in 
120-
> > 127, 
> > > > > When I 
> > > > > > try to play back the song in another kit, the song light 
> > blinks 
> > > > > like 
> > > > > > its playing, but no sound comes through(the song does 
play 
> > in 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > original kit).  I have channel 10 on and in vdrum
(however, 
> I 
> > am 
> > > > a 
> > > > > > novice so I could be doing something wrong) so I feel 
like 
> > > we're 
> > > > > > closer, but not quiter there. Ideas, anyone?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Raven
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Raven,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I hope you don't think that we're ignoring you. I'm 
> > actually 
> > > > > > writing 
> > > > > > > this in a rush. I'd venture a troubleshooting 
suggestion 
> > or 
> > > > two 
> > > > > > now, 
> > > > > > > but the truth is, I've forgotten the pad song 
function, 
> > and 
> > > > I'd 
> > > > > > have 
> > > > > > > to refresh my memory before I ventured anything that 
> > wouldn't 
> > > > > send 
> > > > > > > you off on a wildgoose chase. Hopefully, someone who's 
> > more 
> > > > > current 
> > > > > > > with it will emerge and help, but if not, I'll try to 
dig 
> > > into 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > > late tonight or tomorrow morning. Weekends are 
sometimes 
> > slow 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > > > this group, but replies usually start flying on 
Monday. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "herondrums" 
> > > > <herondrums@y...> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I've scoured my DTX2 manual and the message boards, 
and 
> > > > can't 
> > > > > > find 
> > > > > > > > the answer to this.  I have recorded a pad song that 
> > uses 
> > > > > congas 
> > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > other assorted percussion, however, when I switch to 
a 
> > > > > different 
> > > > > > > kit, 
> > > > > > > > I lose the original sounds and only get the sounds 
that 
> > are 
> > > > > > > assigned 
> > > > > > > > to that kit. So I am getting playback of the song, 
but 
> > not 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > sounds I want(I'm not getting the piano sounds that 
> > others 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > > had 
> > > > > > > > trouble with, its just that my congas turn to toms 
or 
> > > > whatever 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > assigned to that kit). Can I do what I'm trying to, 
or 
> > is 
> > > it 
> > > > > > > beyond 
> > > > > > > > the capabilities of the DTX2?  I'm hoping the 
> limitation 
> > is 
> > > > my 
> > > > > > > brain 
> > > > > > > > and not the DTX2's. I am a new owner, and love the 
set, 

> > but 
> > > > it 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > bit frustrating. Any help is really appreciated!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Raven