Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Another alternate to the snare/hihat problem is to use the alternate
mounting location for the hi-hat that is shown in the DTXPRESSII manual,
which is to mount it on the same tube as the module. This will provide more
than adequate separation between the two pads, so that crosstalk is
completely eliminated and specific rejection settings can be reduced. 

The way I worked the bugs out of the crosstalk issue was to look at the
graphic on the module lcd screen while I hit a pad as hard as I expected to
normally hit it and watch to see if any of the other zones indicated a
triggering, since it may be so slight on the adjacent pads, that the sound
may not be noticed, but the graphic will show it. I then adjusted the
specific rejections, until they where eliminated. I also changed from the
DTXPRESSII cymbal mounting clamp to a Gilbraltor multiclamp and added a
rubber insert between the cymbal arm and the clamp, which for me has
eliminated some of the crosstalk I was getting.

Your third question on choking, unfortunately I think comes down to
technique. I don't remember if you said what type of pad you are using for
the crash. The basic DTXPRESSII comes with a PCY65S for a ride cymbal that
has pad and edge triggering with choking and a PCY65 for the crash that has
pad triggering only. I have never had a problem with a PCY65 shunting
itself, which is a problem with the PCY65S and PCY80S. Maybe Yamaha can fix
this problem too in the future.

OldGuyDrummer



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
> Sent:	Friday, May 30, 2003 11:24 AM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Oh, my God, how many problems!!!
> 
> Gianluca,
> 
> I'm surprised that no one has posted a reply before now. I can't 
> troubleshoot with you in detail because I don't own a lot of the 
> equipment that you are using. I can tell you that none of the 
> problems that you're currently experiencing should be permanent. But 
> I should warn you that live playing can make crosstalk worse, often 
> requiring you to alter trigger settings that may have worked well in 
> practice, and sometimes to find new strategies for physically 
> isolating pads on the rack. 
> 
> From your note, I'm assuming on point (1) that you managed to find a 
> specific rejection setting on the snare for the hi hat that allows 
> you to hit both at the same time. Now (2)the snare double-triggers 
> (like a flam). I'm a little baffled that it happens when you hit 
> softly, since the risk of double-triggering increases with velocity, 
> but you may have your snare's min. velocity set too low and your 
> gain set too high in the trigger menu. Try setting the former at 30 
> or higher and the latter at 65 or so; adjust as necessary. You may 
> also have the sensitivity knob on the bottom of the snare turned too 
> far clockwise. If so, turn it back halfway. If you want to increase 
> your volume, use the voice menu, the volume parameter in the utility 
> menu, your amp volume, or your headphone level. Pusing the trigger 
> parameters too high can create all sorts of anomalies.
> 
> If (3) you get a cymbal crash when you play fills on your snare 
> and/or tom pads, you have to increase rejection on that cymbal until 
> it stops responding to other pads. General rejection may be all 
> that's needed, but if you enter the trigger menu for various inputs, 
> you can see whether hits on particular pads cause the crash to 
> trigger. For instance, on the gain page for input three, if the 
> crash cymbal's reading intrudes, you'll know at least one source of 
> the vibration. If only one trigger, like #3, seems to be the cause 
> of the cymbal's inappropriate crashing, then you can use specific 
> rejection to correct it. If the problem is more general, then 
> rejection per se would be the right approach. As I said before,   
> keep your gain, min. vel., and sensitivity settings for all triggers 
> at reasonable levels.
> 
> Ed
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > I'm very scared about my concert...I spent all the evening (it's 
> > midnight now in Italy) to set my Dtxpress II at its best, 
> but..still 
> > too many problems!!
> > 
> > 1)Main problem are missing hits on snare pad..as I noticed in a 
> past 
> > message, I set correctly up specific rejection 0 from 2 on HH 
> > pad..but I still miss some hit if I hit them too fast!! It seems 
> > that it can't read correctly two close hits!!
> > I tried to lower self rejection value to 1 for snare trigger..but 
> > with this value the problem on point (2) grows..If I use values 
> like 
> > 3 or 4..fast rolls are a tragedy, even if problem (2) disappears!!
> > If I could set different self rejection values for snare, snare1 
> and 
> > snare2, probably I could resolve something..but it seems there is 
> an 
> > unique value for trigger 2!!!
> > 
> > 2)If I hit quite softly snare2 pad (rimshot sound)... I hear 2 
> snare 
> > pad hits, like a flam!!So I'm always forced to hit snare2 hard, to 
> > avoid this problem..but It's easy to forget..
> > 
> > 3)Finally...crash cymbal pad sometimes chokes when I hit with my 
> > stick...it's not a good sound to hear, in the middle of a fill...
> > 
> > I know..these are tipical problems with DTXprss..I read a lot of 
> > messages regarding them...but at this point..I don't know if I can 
> > find a solution...
> > Gianluca (Italy)
> 
> 
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