Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi all!
I'm very scared about my concert...I spent all the evening (it's 
midnight now in Italy) to set my Dtxpress II at its best, but..still 
too many problems!!

1)Main problem are missing hits on snare pad..as I noticed in a past 
message, I set correctly up specific rejection 0 from 2 on HH 
pad..but I still miss some hit if I hit them too fast!! It seems 
that it can't read correctly two close hits!!
I tried to lower self rejection value to 1 for snare trigger..but 
with this value the problem on point (2) grows..If I use values like 
3 or 4..fast rolls are a tragedy, even if problem (2) disappears!!
If I could set different self rejection values for snare, snare1 and 
snare2, probably I could resolve something..but it seems there is an 
unique value for trigger 2!!!

2)If I hit quite softly snare2 pad (rimshot sound)... I hear 2 snare 
pad hits, like a flam!!So I'm always forced to hit snare2 hard, to 
avoid this problem..but It's easy to forget..

3)Finally...crash cymbal pad sometimes chokes when I hit with my 
stick...it's not a good sound to hear, in the middle of a fill...

I know..these are tipical problems with DTXprss..I read a lot of 
messages regarding them...but at this point..I don't know if I can 
find a solution...
Gianluca (Italy)

Gianluca,

I'm surprised that no one has posted a reply before now. I can't 
troubleshoot with you in detail because I don't own a lot of the 
equipment that you are using. I can tell you that none of the 
problems that you're currently experiencing should be permanent. But 
I should warn you that live playing can make crosstalk worse, often 
requiring you to alter trigger settings that may have worked well in 
practice, and sometimes to find new strategies for physically 
isolating pads on the rack. 

From your note, I'm assuming on point (1) that you managed to find a 
specific rejection setting on the snare for the hi hat that allows 
you to hit both at the same time. Now (2)the snare double-triggers 
(like a flam). I'm a little baffled that it happens when you hit 
softly, since the risk of double-triggering increases with velocity, 
but you may have your snare's min. velocity set too low and your 
gain set too high in the trigger menu. Try setting the former at 30 
or higher and the latter at 65 or so; adjust as necessary. You may 
also have the sensitivity knob on the bottom of the snare turned too 
far clockwise. If so, turn it back halfway. If you want to increase 
your volume, use the voice menu, the volume parameter in the utility 
menu, your amp volume, or your headphone level. Pusing the trigger 
parameters too high can create all sorts of anomalies.

If (3) you get a cymbal crash when you play fills on your snare 
and/or tom pads, you have to increase rejection on that cymbal until 
it stops responding to other pads. General rejection may be all 
that's needed, but if you enter the trigger menu for various inputs, 
you can see whether hits on particular pads cause the crash to 
trigger. For instance, on the gain page for input three, if the 
crash cymbal's reading intrudes, you'll know at least one source of 
the vibration. If only one trigger, like #3, seems to be the cause 
of the cymbal's inappropriate crashing, then you can use specific 
rejection to correct it. If the problem is more general, then 
rejection per se would be the right approach. As I said before,  
keep your gain, min. vel., and sensitivity settings for all triggers 
at reasonable levels.

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> Hi all!
> I'm very scared about my concert...I spent all the evening (it's 
> midnight now in Italy) to set my Dtxpress II at its best, 
but..still 
> too many problems!!
> 
> 1)Main problem are missing hits on snare pad..as I noticed in a 
past 
> message, I set correctly up specific rejection 0 from 2 on HH 
> pad..but I still miss some hit if I hit them too fast!! It seems 
> that it can't read correctly two close hits!!
> I tried to lower self rejection value to 1 for snare trigger..but 
> with this value the problem on point (2) grows..If I use values 
like 
> 3 or 4..fast rolls are a tragedy, even if problem (2) disappears!!
> If I could set different self rejection values for snare, snare1 
and 
> snare2, probably I could resolve something..but it seems there is 
an 
> unique value for trigger 2!!!
> 
> 2)If I hit quite softly snare2 pad (rimshot sound)... I hear 2 
snare 

> pad hits, like a flam!!So I'm always forced to hit snare2 hard, to 
> avoid this problem..but It's easy to forget..
> 
> 3)Finally...crash cymbal pad sometimes chokes when I hit with my 
> stick...it's not a good sound to hear, in the middle of a fill...
> 
> I know..these are tipical problems with DTXprss..I read a lot of 
> messages regarding them...but at this point..I don't know if I can 
> find a solution...
> Gianluca (Italy)

Thanks for your help..
As soon as I go out from my office (15 minutes), I'll go home and 
I'll rush to mount my dtxpress...but I noted all your suggestions, 
and I'll try them directly in disco, during check sound!
I never touched sensibility knob behind pads..perhaps they could be 
the solution I was waiting for...
I hope..
I'll let you know!!
Bye,
Gianluca



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Gianluca,
> 
> I'm surprised that no one has posted a reply before now. I can't 
> troubleshoot with you in detail because I don't own a lot of the 
> equipment that you are using. I can tell you that none of the 
> problems that you're currently experiencing should be permanent. 
But 
> I should warn you that live playing can make crosstalk worse, often 
> requiring you to alter trigger settings that may have worked well 
in 
> practice, and sometimes to find new strategies for physically 
> isolating pads on the rack. 
> 
> From your note, I'm assuming on point (1) that you managed to find 
a 
> specific rejection setting on the snare for the hi hat that allows 
> you to hit both at the same time. Now (2)the snare double-triggers 
> (like a flam). I'm a little baffled that it happens when you hit 
> softly, since the risk of double-triggering increases with 
velocity, 
> but you may have your snare's min. velocity set too low and your 
> gain set too high in the trigger menu. Try setting the former at 30 
> or higher and the latter at 65 or so; adjust as necessary. You may 
> also have the sensitivity knob on the bottom of the snare turned 
too 
> far clockwise. If so, turn it back halfway. If you want to increase 
> your volume, use the voice menu, the volume parameter in the 
utility 
> menu, your amp volume, or your headphone level. Pusing the trigger 
> parameters too high can create all sorts of anomalies.
> 
> If (3) you get a cymbal crash when you play fills on your snare 
> and/or tom pads, you have to increase rejection on that cymbal 
until 
> it stops responding to other pads. General rejection may be all 
> that's needed, but if you enter the trigger menu for various 
inputs, 
> you can see whether hits on particular pads cause the crash to 
> trigger. For instance, on the gain page for input three, if the 
> crash cymbal's reading intrudes, you'll know at least one source of 
> the vibration. If only one trigger, like #3, seems to be the cause 
> of the cymbal's inappropriate crashing, then you can use specific 
> rejection to correct it. If the problem is more general, then 
> rejection per se would be the right approach. As I said before,  
> keep your gain, min. vel., and sensitivity settings for all 
triggers 
> at reasonable levels.
> 
> Ed
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > I'm very scared about my concert...I spent all the evening (it's 
> > midnight now in Italy) to set my Dtxpress II at its best, 
> but..still 
> > too many problems!!
> > 
> > 1)Main problem are missing hits on snare pad..as I noticed in a 
> past 
> > message, I set correctly up specific rejection 0 from 2 on HH 
> > pad..but I still miss some hit if I hit them too fast!! It seems 
> > that it can't read correctly two close hits!!
> > I tried to lower self rejection value to 1 for snare trigger..but 
> > with this value the problem on point (2) grows..If I use values 
> like 
> > 3 or 4..fast rolls are a tragedy, even if problem (2) disappears!!
> > If I could set different self rejection values for snare, snare1 
> and 
> > snare2, probably I could resolve something..but it seems there is 
> an 
> > unique value for trigger 2!!!
> > 
> > 2)If I hit quite softly snare2 pad (rimshot sound)... I hear 2 
> snare 
> > pad hits, like a flam!!So I'm always forced to hit snare2 hard, 
to 
> > avoid this problem..but It's easy to forget..
> > 
> > 3)Finally...crash cymbal pad sometimes chokes when I hit with my 
> > stick...it's not a good sound to hear, in the middle of a fill...
> > 
> > I know..these are tipical problems with DTXprss..I read a lot of 
> > messages regarding them...but at this point..I don't know if I 
can 
> > find a solution...
> > Gianluca (Italy)

Another alternate to the snare/hihat problem is to use the alternate
mounting location for the hi-hat that is shown in the DTXPRESSII manual,
which is to mount it on the same tube as the module. This will provide more
than adequate separation between the two pads, so that crosstalk is
completely eliminated and specific rejection settings can be reduced. 

The way I worked the bugs out of the crosstalk issue was to look at the
graphic on the module lcd screen while I hit a pad as hard as I expected to
normally hit it and watch to see if any of the other zones indicated a
triggering, since it may be so slight on the adjacent pads, that the sound
may not be noticed, but the graphic will show it. I then adjusted the
specific rejections, until they where eliminated. I also changed from the
DTXPRESSII cymbal mounting clamp to a Gilbraltor multiclamp and added a
rubber insert between the cymbal arm and the clamp, which for me has
eliminated some of the crosstalk I was getting.

Your third question on choking, unfortunately I think comes down to
technique. I don't remember if you said what type of pad you are using for
the crash. The basic DTXPRESSII comes with a PCY65S for a ride cymbal that
has pad and edge triggering with choking and a PCY65 for the crash that has
pad triggering only. I have never had a problem with a PCY65 shunting
itself, which is a problem with the PCY65S and PCY80S. Maybe Yamaha can fix
this problem too in the future.

OldGuyDrummer



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
> Sent:	Friday, May 30, 2003 11:24 AM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Oh, my God, how many problems!!!
> 
> Gianluca,
> 
> I'm surprised that no one has posted a reply before now. I can't 
> troubleshoot with you in detail because I don't own a lot of the 
> equipment that you are using. I can tell you that none of the 
> problems that you're currently experiencing should be permanent. But 
> I should warn you that live playing can make crosstalk worse, often 
> requiring you to alter trigger settings that may have worked well in 
> practice, and sometimes to find new strategies for physically 
> isolating pads on the rack. 
> 
> From your note, I'm assuming on point (1) that you managed to find a 
> specific rejection setting on the snare for the hi hat that allows 
> you to hit both at the same time. Now (2)the snare double-triggers 
> (like a flam). I'm a little baffled that it happens when you hit 
> softly, since the risk of double-triggering increases with velocity, 
> but you may have your snare's min. velocity set too low and your 
> gain set too high in the trigger menu. Try setting the former at 30 
> or higher and the latter at 65 or so; adjust as necessary. You may 
> also have the sensitivity knob on the bottom of the snare turned too 
> far clockwise. If so, turn it back halfway. If you want to increase 
> your volume, use the voice menu, the volume parameter in the utility 
> menu, your amp volume, or your headphone level. Pusing the trigger 
> parameters too high can create all sorts of anomalies.
> 
> If (3) you get a cymbal crash when you play fills on your snare 
> and/or tom pads, you have to increase rejection on that cymbal until 
> it stops responding to other pads. General rejection may be all 
> that's needed, but if you enter the trigger menu for various inputs, 
> you can see whether hits on particular pads cause the crash to 
> trigger. For instance, on the gain page for input three, if the 
> crash cymbal's reading intrudes, you'll know at least one source of 
> the vibration. If only one trigger, like #3, seems to be the cause 
> of the cymbal's inappropriate crashing, then you can use specific 
> rejection to correct it. If the problem is more general, then 
> rejection per se would be the right approach. As I said before,   
> keep your gain, min. vel., and sensitivity settings for all triggers 
> at reasonable levels.
> 
> Ed
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > I'm very scared about my concert...I spent all the evening (it's 
> > midnight now in Italy) to set my Dtxpress II at its best, 
> but..still 
> > too many problems!!
> > 
> > 1)Main problem are missing hits on snare pad..as I noticed in a 
> past 
> > message, I set correctly up specific rejection 0 from 2 on HH 
> > pad..but I still miss some hit if I hit them too fast!! It seems 
> > that it can't read correctly two close hits!!
> > I tried to lower self rejection value to 1 for snare trigger..but 
> > with this value the problem on point (2) grows..If I use values 
> like 
> > 3 or 4..fast rolls are a tragedy, even if problem (2) disappears!!
> > If I could set different self rejection values for snare, snare1 
> and 
> > snare2, probably I could resolve something..but it seems there is 
> an 
> > unique value for trigger 2!!!
> > 
> > 2)If I hit quite softly snare2 pad (rimshot sound)... I hear 2 
> snare 
> > pad hits, like a flam!!So I'm always forced to hit snare2 hard, to 
> > avoid this problem..but It's easy to forget..
> > 
> > 3)Finally...crash cymbal pad sometimes chokes when I hit with my 
> > stick...it's not a good sound to hear, in the middle of a fill...
> > 
> > I know..these are tipical problems with DTXprss..I read a lot of 
> > messages regarding them...but at this point..I don't know if I can 
> > find a solution...
> > Gianluca (Italy)
> 
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>
> Your third question on choking, unfortunately I think comes down to
> technique.

Idea #1 Angle the pad down a bit more so you are not inadvertently
hitting the edge of the cymbal pad with the shaft of the stick. Man this
is hard stuff to describe. We need a video confernece! :) What I mean is
if you tend to "slide" the stick tip or shaft down the pad after a hit it
can cause a choke. Does that make sense?

Idea #2: If you are not intersted in a choke for your performance, you
can just set the pad type to PCY65 (not PCY65S) and I think that will
cause the choke to be in-active. A cheat way to do this is to use a mono
patch cable for that pad for the duration of the show. Again, this will
stop the choke from happeneing even if you *want* a choke, so keep that
in mind.

> The basic DTXPRESSII comes with a PCY65S for a ride
> cymbal that has pad and edge triggering with choking and a PCY65 for
> the crash that has pad triggering only.

Hey, OGD, I was wondering about this... maybe I set mine up wrong, but I
have the "ride" as the PCY65 single zone pad on the far right of my kit
and the crash/choke/dual zone OCY65S on the left. I coulda sworn that was
how it was in the manual... or maybe I just set mine up wrong... :)

Vern

Gianluca,

Sorry. I seem to have misunderstood (3). If your crash cymbal is 
choking on its own when you strike it with authority, the problem is 
probably a matter of technique. As my fellow members said, you 
should be able to correct it by angling the cymbal so that the stick 
is not so likely to hit the rim, even without you noticing it; 
striking it a slight angle, as if you were giving it more a glancing 
blow than a head-on collision; and/or--last, though certainly not 
least--not striking it so hard. Power after a point definitely does 
not pay dividends on an electronic kit. The rewards reach a plateau 
at a low threshold.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> Hi all!
> I'm very scared about my concert...I spent all the evening (it's 
> midnight now in Italy) to set my Dtxpress II at its best, 
but..still 
> too many problems!!
> 
> 1)Main problem are missing hits on snare pad..as I noticed in a 
past 
> message, I set correctly up specific rejection 0 from 2 on HH 
> pad..but I still miss some hit if I hit them too fast!! It seems 
> that it can't read correctly two close hits!!
> I tried to lower self rejection value to 1 for snare trigger..but 
> with this value the problem on point (2) grows..If I use values 
like 
> 3 or 4..fast rolls are a tragedy, even if problem (2) disappears!!
> If I could set different self rejection values for snare, snare1 
and 
> snare2, probably I could resolve something..but it seems there is 
an 
> unique value for trigger 2!!!
> 
> 2)If I hit quite softly snare2 pad (rimshot sound)... I hear 2 
snare 

> pad hits, like a flam!!So I'm always forced to hit snare2 hard, to 
> avoid this problem..but It's easy to forget..
> 
> 3)Finally...crash cymbal pad sometimes chokes when I hit with my 
> stick...it's not a good sound to hear, in the middle of a fill...
> 
> I know..these are tipical problems with DTXprss..I read a lot of 
> messages regarding them...but at this point..I don't know if I can 
> find a solution...
> Gianluca (Italy)

--- "Vernon Graner" wrote:

> Hey, OGD, I was wondering about this... maybe I set mine
> up wrong, but I have the "ride" as the PCY65 single zone
> pad on the far right of my kit and the crash/choke/dual
> zone OCY65S on the left. I coulda sworn that was how it
> was in the manual... or maybe I just set mine up wrong...

You're right, that is how it is in the manual. But I have mine set up 
as OGD descibribes, with the 65S as a crash/ride on the right, and 65 
as a crash on the left. It just seems to make more sense that way 
around, with two edge crashes and a ride on the bow.

I have also moved the hi-hat... I actually shifted the module over to 
the right side of the kit (it hangs off the right hand upright above 
the "floor" tom arm), and moved the hi-hat to the arm previously used 
for the module. Apart from anything else, I just found it easier to 
position to my satisfaction that way around.

Stewart

You see this is exacting why you should have a ten year old around when you
put your toys together...they will read the instruction manual.....as for
me.... manuals????...I don't need no stinking manuals.....

Seriously, I started out with two complete sets and never really set up the
basic set as shown in the diagram. I used PCYS for the hihat and changed
most of the pad types from the beginning to work with the two modules. I
just looked at the photo on the front cover of the DTXPRESSII manual and you
are absolutely correct, the pcy65s is on the left and the pcy65 is on the
right and the manual shows them connected to crash/ride respectively. I
humblely apology, 50 lashing for me. I never noticed that. I had always had
a 22" acoustic ride and I guess that I was so used to having a
bell/bow/edge, that it just seem more logical to use the PCY65S as a ride.
You learn something new everyday.

Like Stewart, indicated it really does work great by setting the pad to a
ride voice and the edge as crash. But Stewart, do you also set the rim to
pad setting to "on". This way it sounds like you are still playing ride
pattern in the background even when you hit the edge/crash. I have set one
of my rides/crash this way, the others are separate with rim to pad set
"off".

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...]
> Sent:	Friday, May 30, 2003 12:55 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Oh, my God, how many problems!!!
> 
> --- "Vernon Graner" wrote:
> 
> > Hey, OGD, I was wondering about this... maybe I set mine
> > up wrong, but I have the "ride" as the PCY65 single zone
> > pad on the far right of my kit and the crash/choke/dual
> > zone OCY65S on the left. I coulda sworn that was how it
> > was in the manual... or maybe I just set mine up wrong...
> 
> You're right, that is how it is in the manual. But I have mine set up 
> as OGD descibribes, with the 65S as a crash/ride on the right, and 65 
> as a crash on the left. It just seems to make more sense that way 
> around, with two edge crashes and a ride on the bow.
> 
> I have also moved the hi-hat... I actually shifted the module over to 
> the right side of the kit (it hangs off the right hand upright above 
> the "floor" tom arm), and moved the hi-hat to the arm previously used 
> for the module. Apart from anything else, I just found it easier to 
> position to my satisfaction that way around.
> 
> Stewart
> 
> 
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oldguy: But Stewart, do you also set the rim to
> pad setting to "on". This way it sounds like you are still playing 
ride
> pattern in the background even when you hit the edge/crash. I have 
set one
> of my rides/crash this way, the others are separate with rim to 
pad set
> "off".

Oldguy, are you talking about getting a "ping" sound from the ride 
during the crash sound?  I have been interested in trying to get 
that kind of sound but I thought I would have to layer my ride 
cymbal with more volume on the ride than on the voice number 2 crash 
behind it.  Its not possible to layer two voices on rims correct?  
If that was so, then I would like to keep a ride voice on the pad, 
but have both a crash and ping sound on the edge, although I doubt 
this can be done to the edge.

-UN.H



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> You see this is exacting why you should have a ten year old around 
when you
> put your toys together...they will read the instruction 
manual.....as for
> me.... manuals????...I don't need no stinking manuals.....
> 
> Seriously, I started out with two complete sets and never really 
set up the
> basic set as shown in the diagram. I used PCYS for the hihat and 
changed
> most of the pad types from the beginning to work with the two 
modules. I
> just looked at the photo on the front cover of the DTXPRESSII 
manual and you
> are absolutely correct, the pcy65s is on the left and the pcy65 is 
on the
> right and the manual shows them connected to crash/ride 
respectively. I
> humblely apology, 50 lashing for me. I never noticed that. I had 
always had
> a 22" acoustic ride and I guess that I was so used to having a
> bell/bow/edge, that it just seem more logical to use the PCY65S as 
a ride.
> You learn something new everyday.
> 
> Like Stewart, indicated it really does work great by setting the 
pad to a
> ride voice and the edge as crash. But Stewart, do you also set the 
rim to
> pad setting to "on". This way it sounds like you are still playing 
ride
> pattern in the background even when you hit the edge/crash. I have 
set one
> of my rides/crash this way, the others are separate with rim to 
pad set
> "off".
> 
> OldGuyDrummer
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@y...]
> > Sent:	Friday, May 30, 2003 12:55 PM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Oh, my God, how many problems!!!
> > 
> > --- "Vernon Graner" wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey, OGD, I was wondering about this... maybe I set mine
> > > up wrong, but I have the "ride" as the PCY65 single zone
> > > pad on the far right of my kit and the crash/choke/dual
> > > zone OCY65S on the left. I coulda sworn that was how it
> > > was in the manual... or maybe I just set mine up wrong...
> > 
> > You're right, that is how it is in the manual. But I have mine 
set up 
> > as OGD descibribes, with the 65S as a crash/ride on the right, 
and 65 
> > as a crash on the left. It just seems to make more sense that 
way 
> > around, with two edge crashes and a ride on the bow.
> > 
> > I have also moved the hi-hat... I actually shifted the module 
over to 
> > the right side of the kit (it hangs off the right hand upright 
above 
> > the "floor" tom arm), and moved the hi-hat to the arm previously 
used 
> > for the module. Apart from anything else, I just found it easier 
to 
> > position to my satisfaction that way around.
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I set the pad voice 1 to say C\018 (ridedrk1-volume 90) and voice 2 to say
C\043 (Cup A-volume 30). I then set up the voice for the rim as say C\002
(crashac) and then set the "rim to pad" to "on". So, when I hit the pad I
get C\018+C\043 and when I hit the rim I get C\018+C\043+C\002. (I am just
guessing at the voices numbers.)

OldGuyDrummer

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> From:	underneathheaven [SMTP:realvast@...]
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> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Oh, my God, how many problems!!!
> 
> oldguy: But Stewart, do you also set the rim to
> > pad setting to "on". This way it sounds like you are still playing 
> ride
> > pattern in the background even when you hit the edge/crash. I have 
> set one
> > of my rides/crash this way, the others are separate with rim to 
> pad set
> > "off".
> 
> Oldguy, are you talking about getting a "ping" sound from the ride 
> during the crash sound?   I have been interested in trying to get 
> that kind of sound but I thought I would have to layer my ride 
> cymbal with more volume on the ride than on the voice number 2 crash 
> behind it.   Its not possible to layer two voices on rims correct?   
> If that was so, then I would like to keep a ride voice on the pad, 
> but have both a crash and ping sound on the edge, although I doubt 
> this can be done to the edge.
> 
> -UN.H
> 
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> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > You see this is exacting why you should have a ten year old around 
> when you
> > put your toys together...they will read the instruction 
> manual.....as for
> > me.... manuals????...I don't need no stinking manuals.....
> > 
> > Seriously, I started out with two complete sets and never really 
> set up the
> > basic set as shown in the diagram. I used PCYS for the hihat and 
> changed
> > most of the pad types from the beginning to work with the two 
> modules. I
> > just looked at the photo on the front cover of the DTXPRESSII 
> manual and you
> > are absolutely correct, the pcy65s is on the left and the pcy65 is 
> on the
> > right and the manual shows them connected to crash/ride 
> respectively. I
> > humblely apology, 50 lashing for me. I never noticed that. I had 
> always had
> > a 22" acoustic ride and I guess that I was so used to having a
> > bell/bow/edge, that it just seem more logical to use the PCY65S as 
> a ride.
> > You learn something new everyday.
> > 
> > Like Stewart, indicated it really does work great by setting the 
> pad to a
> > ride voice and the edge as crash. But Stewart, do you also set the 
> rim to
> > pad setting to "on". This way it sounds like you are still playing 
> ride
> > pattern in the background even when you hit the edge/crash. I have 
> set one
> > of my rides/crash this way, the others are separate with rim to 
> pad set
> > "off".
> > 
> > OldGuyDrummer
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:       moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@y...]
> > > Sent:       Friday, May 30, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > To:       DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:       [DTXpress] Re: Oh, my God, how many problems!!!
> > > 
> > > --- "Vernon Graner" wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hey, OGD, I was wondering about this... maybe I set mine
> > > > up wrong, but I have the "ride" as the PCY65 single zone
> > > > pad on the far right of my kit and the crash/choke/dual
> > > > zone OCY65S on the left. I coulda sworn that was how it
> > > > was in the manual... or maybe I just set mine up wrong...
> > > 
> > > You're right, that is how it is in the manual. But I have mine 
> set up 
> > > as OGD descibribes, with the 65S as a crash/ride on the right, 
> and 65 
> > > as a crash on the left. It just seems to make more sense that 
> way 
> > > around, with two edge crashes and a ride on the bow.
> > > 
> > > I have also moved the hi-hat... I actually shifted the module 
> over to 
> > > the right side of the kit (it hangs off the right hand upright 
> above 
> > > the "floor" tom arm), and moved the hi-hat to the arm previously 
> used 
> > > for the module. Apart from anything else, I just found it easier 
> to 
> > > position to my satisfaction that way around.
> > > 
> > > Stewart
> > > 
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--- OldGuyDrummer wrote:
> But Stewart, do you also set the rim to pad setting
> to "on". This way it sounds like you are still
> playing ride pattern in the background even when
> you hit the edge/crash.

Er...

[scuttles off to music room to check]

No, apparently. Thinking about it, and not being as (ahem) 
generously endowed as you (in the cymbal department, anyway) I think 
I may leave it that way. Although I do use it as a crash/ride 
(accenting the odd ride stroke by using the edge crash) I also use 
it as a general crash too. Once the holiday's over and I'm back in 
good odor with She Who Must Be Obeyed, I can work on getting a 
second module and some more cymbal pads.

Actually, I've been tinkering this evening with your earlier 
suggestion of using the bargraph display to track down crosstalk. 
Very useful - good call!

Stewart

"There's a manual???"