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RE: [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie

2003-12-05 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

My apoligies, that was a OOPs on my part. 

Gord's post are still moderated, which mean they get emailed to me (or
Ed/Vern) for prior approval before they are posted to the group. 

So when his reply to your post was sent to me for approval, I ended up
making a direct reply to you, instead of to the group (first time it's ever
happened!) . I caught what I did after I hit the "send" button.

I corrected this by waiting for his post to show up at dtxpress and
responsed to that with the same messege that was accidentally sent to you.

Again, sorry for sending it to you directly.

OGD  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	distortion@... [SMTP:distortion@...]
> Sent:	Friday, December 05, 2003 4:11 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> 
> Ok...? 
> I didn't need this info, but thanx... it was D. who had the problem..
> gord
> 
> 
> 
> rdamon@... <mailto:rdamon@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Gord,
> 
> I started out with two complete DtxpressII kits. Using just two modules, I
> did run a midi cable from module 1 to module 2 for the sole purpose of
> sending a midi control change code for kit increment/kit decrement from a
> BP80 connected to zone 9/10 on module 1 that would pass through to module
> 2.
> By hitting the left pad of the BP80, both modules would go from kit 60 to
> 59, 59 to 58 etc. and by hitting the right pad of the BP80, both modules
> would go from 58 to 59, 59 to 60, etc.    But even with that, all of the
> sound was still sent out the left/right output jacks on the rear of the
> modules to a mixer. My music sources were then fed directly into the
> mixer,
> which gives me excellent control over sound levels between the three
> modules
> and the music source.
> 
> When I got my third module and extra pads, I stop using the midi for that
> purpose. (If your next question is "How did you do it?", at this point it
> has been almost a year since I did it, I would be hard pressed to remember
> the right settings without going back throught menus again.)
> 
> OGD
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       webc1958 [ SMTP:delcamroy@...
> <mailto:SMTP:delcamroy@...>]
> > Sent:       Friday, December 05, 2003 2:58 PM
> > To:       DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject:       [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>, "emf"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> <mailto:liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>,
> distortion@r... wrote:
> > > > D. and Gord,
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only 
> > way 
> > > to
> > > > > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> > > > > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . 
> > wrong 
> > > at
> > > > > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> > > > > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the 
> > > slave
> > > > > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. 
> > > > 
> > > > And THAT would use MIDI...    you contradicted yourself...    This 
> > > would 
> > > > also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out, 
> > > depending 
> > > > on the voice structure of the kit being played.
> > > 
> > > Gord.
> > > 
> > > I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device-
> > - 
> > > like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which 
> > has 
> > > no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress    
> > > sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI 
> > > connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for 
> > the 
> > > purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the 
> > DTXpress 
> > > itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a 
> > > device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to 
> > > see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way 
> > to 
> > > add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).
> > > 
> > > > > But if
> > > > > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its 
> > own
> > > > > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an 
> > inexpensive
> > > > > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say 
> > > it)
> > > > > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the 
> > > question. 
> > > > Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants 
> > > could 
> > > > just serve to confuse the issue.
> > > > The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive 
> > > into a 
> > > > solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always 
> > > needs 
> > > > more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> > > > 
> > > > Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system 
> > from 
> > > an 
> > > > online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained 
> > that 
> > > it 
> > > > was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built 
> > computer... 
> > > just 
> > > > the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never 
> > > > asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got 
> > > what he 
> > > > ordered, but not what he wanted.
> > > 
> > > True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being 
> > > wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen 
> > > this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. 
> > Hazarding 
> > > an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is 
> > > etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all 
> > > along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:    I have two full kits, 
> > with brains, now.    I just want a bigger kit. I was under the 
> > impression that you could connect one brain via midi    to the other 
> > and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 2)... I 
> > suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously 
> > difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer would 
> > be the best option, yes?
> > Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up via 
> > midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't know 
> > how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly.    
> > 
> > Thanks again!
> > D.
> > 
> > 
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